User talk:!1A

Please do not categorize groups into your group's category if the group opposes to it and doesn't belong in it. Category:The Imperium. If you continue to do so, you will be removed. --Daranz | Talk | 22:14, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

We were using the title The Imperium in Urban Dead before Alexei and his newblettes came along, whereas they claim that as they have made the Wikipedia page, they have complete ubiquitous rights to it. We offered to share, they said "HAHAHA NO U NOOBZ WE R LEET" or words to the effect, which caused much disdain. Civility degraded and an argument ensued. What is the correct application process to request that we be allowed to use the name that we coined in UD in the first place? !1A 03:10, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Please do not place "vandal counts" on User pages. It's insulting to the User, and unnecessary. We believe in damage control, not punishment, and vandal counts are fairly clearly reputation punishment -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod} 04:26, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Please do not vandalise pages on this wiki. Continuing to do so may result in your account being banned. -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod} 04:38, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Absolute last warning for impersonating Alexei. The next time you vandalise or impersonate someone, YOU WILL BE BANNED. --LibrarianBrent 04:10, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

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We play Warhammer 40k, therefore we are as entitled to use of your category as you are. !1A 01:35, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

(Syndicated from RosutoEnzeru's user talk page.) Changing entries without discussing your changes on the discussion page, then having them reverted, is a sign you've probably acted with error. Doing it again, only to have it reverted, is a definite sign you have acted in error. Doing it a third time is plain vandalism. Please refrain from editing articles in major ways (namely delinking) without actively discussing the changes. !1A 05:13, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Your group is NOT a part of the Imperium group. You can play 40k all you like, that doesn't make you an Imperium member. Now, please stop linking yourself to us. -RosutoEnzeru 05:23, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

We are part of the Imperium, I hate to break it to you. We were using the name before you guys even joined UD, your bad. So the choice is, share it, or we'll take it back as we are the original owners of it. It's the rules bud, sorry, I don't want to be an arse and enforce them, but fair is fair after all.

Also, can you please stop vandalising our page and our category entry? You haven't made any form of contact with anyone and all you keep doing is removing vital category linkage. You've done it three times now, which is definite vandalism, it's not making you look too good.  :/ !1A 05:27, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT) (This post has been syndicated to your talk page.)

When and if you were using the name is entirely beside the point. We built the Wiki page, and we have been making contacts. Just not with people who are so obviously about being a thorn in everyone else's sides as yourself. Now, -please- stop adding yourself to our page. You're not welcome, so far as I know. - RosutoEnzeru 05:31, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

We began using the name in August, 2005. Whether or not you were 'first in' to make the wiki page doesn't entitle you exclusive rights to ownership of that name. This isn't the IT industry and you aren't Microsoft. Sorry, but we've been using the name all along also, therefore we're just as entitled to be linked via that article as you. You have yet to address the issue of your vandalism of our article and our category, by the way. I would appreciate a response on that matter. !1A 05:36, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I did address the 'issue.' I told you, I'm not vandalizing anything, I'm correcting an error. You are not part of our group. Make your own page and link yourself to that. Or open negotiations with us to have yourself added to our group, instead of deciding it arbitrarily. You haven't presented any hard evidence that you have any more right to use it than we do, and as I mentioned before, we're the ones who put the page together and maintain it, so we should be able to say what does and doesn't go on it. - RosutoEnzeru 05:38, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

And your reason for removing the six other category listing tags? You cannot dictate who can and can not be listed under a category, if a user believes his group is affiliated with the Imperium, they have every right to add themselves. That would be like registering 'The Dark Side' or 'Zombies' and expecting that word to be exclusively yours forever, with total dictatorship over it. Sorry bud, but the rules expressly forbid that.

As an aside, you can indent your paragraphs using the : per indent, also, syndicate your content across both user pages. Thusfar I have been doing this for you. !1A 05:43, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

There. There's lots of indents for you. But I'm not going to post all of this on my own page, because when this is overwith, I'm going to remove it all anyway. I apologize for removing your other group listings, but you're not a member of the Imperium, no matter what you may believe. We're an RP group and a play group of which you are not a part. You may or may not be a 40k player in real life, but you're not an ally of our group. Please stop adding yourself to our page. - RosutoEnzeru 05:51, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

We are simply enforcing the rules of this Wiki. If you feel the need, we can take this matter to arbitration, which will mean one of our pages will most likely get suspended, as with one side of the arguments accounts. I know my wiki-rules back to front, so I know it won't be me. I suggest we leave things as they are, with a sublime and non-invasive connection present and no interference in your article what so ever, but insisting your group 'owns' The Imperium is like trying to insist my group 'owns' Star Wars. !1A 05:55, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Make your own page instead of trying to move in on ours. Imperium is still available, I think. We're just trying to RP and add another dimension to the game for ourselves, and you're clutterring it up with not one, but -two- listings of your group, which lists all member groups of The Imperium as enemies. If anyone is vandalizing anything, it's you. You're editing your own page so as to put things on ours, which doesn't fit the definition of 'non-invasive.' I'm not saying anyone owns anything, but The Imperium is the name of our group, and you're not a part of that group, so stop claiming that you are, please and thank you. -RosutoEnzeru 06:01, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The Baiting

Surely you must have better things to do with your time than insulting others... -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod} 04:15, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Not really, no. !1A 09:08, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

!1A, cool it, really. Insults are not needed on this wiki. -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod} 10:35, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Er, as far as I know, there's nothing against them... remember Katthew? --LibrarianBrent 01:02, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Of course there's nothing against them, I just feel they're not needed. The less insulting on this wiki, the better, in my opinion. It's not an official Mod Warning or anything, or else I'd have put it at the top of the page, it's just a user-to-user request. -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod} 02:19, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The real question is why isn't there something against them? If people want to flame each other, let them take it to one of the forums. --Chester Katz 05:24, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Because, as a general rule, simple insults on Talk pages don't inhibit the clean running of the wiki. As Moderators, our duty is only to keep the wiki running smoothly. If insults get carried away to the point that vandalism occurs to make the insult, that is when we get involved. Unfortunately, we can't do any more than that. Besides, it tends to throw out people with abrasive personalities that nonetheless do good edits on the wiki, which is something we want to avoid.

With that said, Perhaps we should put up a Community Standards page or something, to indicate what sort of environment we're trying to foster. -- Odd Starter ^{talk | Mod} 07:10, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I have to disagree there; I believe that flaming and trolling on talk pages does indeed inhibit the running of the wiki. One of the key foundations of a wiki is the ability of the community to debate changes and to come to reasonable compromises and consensus. It's extremely difficult to have any sort of intelligent discussion on some of the talk pages around here, and I believe that many potential contributors could be run off by the fact that they can't discuss an edit on some pages without being personally attacked. --Chester Katz 14:33, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Debate isn't neccesary on this Wiki it seems Chester, merely throwing a delete tag on a page, defacing it, or putting it in VfD is an acceptable way of dealing with things, as The Imperium have illustrated, considering every single thing listed for deletion is of groups they've had run-in's with and all requested for deletion by them followed by astroturfing, sock puppetry and generic asshattery. !1A 19:12, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Please don't make me agree with you, !1A. You'll make my head explode. --Chester Katz 20:36, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

As far as I know, the only things that members of The Imperium have requested the deletion of after having 'run-ins' with them, as you put it, is those pages belonging to you which are either designed specifically to poke fun at us (which I'd be content with to let slide, were it not for your incessant chirping at everyone) or pages you create just to further display your capabilities of directionless douchebaggery (ie: category:grops and category:organisations). If you want to make yourself look like the immature twit you seem to think everyone else on the internet is, then you're doing a fine job, but I don't understand why you can't babble on about how massive your penis is to yourself. Or maybe get a pet fish, I'm sure with your mother's help you could keep it alive long enough for it to listen to at least one of your childish rants. - RosutoEnzeru 06:57, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Actually, Alexei Yaruk has made a fair number of deletion requests or defacements in regards to groups that he dislikes -- namely, Malton Confederacy, Council of Leaders (new), and Operation: Beard Hammer. It's fairly obvious that !1A and his "group" showed up to troll Alexei. --Chester Katz 07:28, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Regardless, Alexei, while he is indeed a member of the Imperium, and his character a prominent figure in our roleplay, he doesn't speak for all of us. We are not his cronies, and indeed, he is not even the originator of the group. But insofar as !1A and his 'groups' and various pages are concerned, I agree with Alexei in that he's doing it just to be a troll, not only to Alexei, but to our RP group as a whole, and they should be gotten rid of. - RosutoEnzeru 07:58, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I completely agree with your characterization of !1A. I also realize that Alexei doesn't necessarily speak for you personally, but as far as many people on this wiki are concerned, he does speak for the Imperium in that he's pretty much the only exposure we have to that group. If you don't want the image of the Imperium to be that of a group that interacts with others by attacking their presence on the wiki, then I suggest you have a talk with Alexei and rein him in a bit. Although the fact that he's already been reprimanded by the mods several times and is on his second warning should hopefully take care of that for you. --Chester Katz 15:10, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)