UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Prevent Harrasment

1st

Needs a clause allowing sysops to still be able post on that page for official reasons. -- Cheese 18:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Done.--ShadowScope^{'the true enemy'} 18:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

2nd

You spelt harassment wrong. =p -- Cheese 18:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I like it

This is a textbook example of something we do based on precedent but haven't yet set forth into policy. The need is clear. However, the document itself is rough around the edges and will need a bit of revision. Namely:

• Use the word harassment less. It makes it sound like you're trying to outlaw trolling, when you're just making people the masters of their own domains.
• Don't make people "use their header" (whatever that means). Make them place the list 'clearly' on their talk page. Nothing in the style of <!--Hey, Example_User! If you post here I'll get you banned! :P--> should be allowed, for obvious reasons, but we can't force people to put something in a specific place on their talk page.
• Double check your grammar and sentence structure. My subconscious doesn't like it.

But again, it does seem necessary. --VVV ^RPMBG 21:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't like it

You'll end up with n00bs banning pretty much anyone who posts something that they don't want to hear on their talk page. The requirement to go through arbitration in order to remove someone's freedom to post where they like is necessary to ensure that there is actually harassment going on before they are banned from the page. The classic example of this is Iscariot, and his long term "ban" on any sysop whatsoever posting to his talk page, despite the majority of them in no way harassing him. This would make such a ban legitimate, and mean that anyone of them who inadvertantly posted to the talk page (without an admin reason) would automatically get a warning despite their intentions (good or bad faith). There have been plenty of other examples.
The process of getting a ban approved via arbies could do with some simplifying, perhaps, and some way to kill off the "I refuse all artitrators" defense -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 21:33 5 February 2011 (BST)

I completely agree with boxy and furthermore think that this is a terrible abortion of a policy. There are so many legitimate reasons for using someone's talk page, and there are so many ways for prima donnas to freak out and start "banning" people from their user space. For example, someone might habitually forget to sign their posts and then get irate when being repeatedly reminded. We shouldn't encourage users to wall themselves off from others, nor should we create policies to pander to a very small minority who just can't bear to interact. The wiki is a community, if you can't deal with people using your talk page then gtfo.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 23:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)