Talk:Philosophe Knights

ARCHIVES Talk Page - Archive - Older Archive - Oldest Archive Text Rape and Zerging We know you do both. Lady HK (former or current PK, we don't care) is a convicted text rapist. We have IP proof that there are zergs within your subgroups "Sword of Damocles" and "Lord Burton's Gentleman's Club". Don't expect us to report, we are above whining to trumped up, made up authorities. Just thought you would want to know. There is the slim possibility that your leadership, if the head of such a self righteous backwash could be called leadership, might not know this. We have never left. We will never leave. What "text rape" proof you can show against us, which isn't much, was made by members who for the sake of irony non-explicitly wrote things to prove how stupid the DEM definition of text rape actually is. So far, the most graphic depiction of anything sexual that has occured involving text rape was the "crime" committed by Lady HK when she claimed to manipulate genitals, and then mutilate them for the sake of asserting her dominance and control over another. This was done to members of TZH who had never even player killed. Expect us to stay. We will watch with glee as your members become bored, as they leave, as your zerging alts are left by the wayside. We will smile as your pathetic excuse for endurance leaves you. We will ignore most of you, killing only the ones of you who we think have profile names amusing enough to kill. And the best time had by all will be in the knowing that so many high schoolers who want so desperately for everyone else to beleive they are philosophy majors in college could do nothing to stop the second oldest group in Malton: TZH. We are strength incarnate. Long live TZH. Long live Whalberg. Death to Zombies and fools like the Philosophe Knights. --Dhavid Grohl 13:51, 12 June 2009 (BST) Grohl, as per usual your "facts" are woefully inaccurate: Lady HK is not on the Ignore List, so she's been "convicted" by who exactly? Oh, that would be you objecting to a comment made satirising your group's slogan using your group's idiom on an out-of-game discussion forum and attempting to use it to justify your members' actions ingame. Give it up – you're fooling nobody. I assume you're attempting to refer to Lord Curton's Gentlemen's Hunting Club. Well, it is mine: although some of our members also have memberships in other groups, we are subject to no group's authority other than our own. If you have a complaint about one of our members, address it to me. I assure you, we treat zerging with the utmost severity. Might want to recheck the list, there – the original poster hasn't updated, but you're currently down to 4th oldest still active group. (Not to disparage your longevity, merely picking nits.) Now that that's out of the way: long time, no see. How're things? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:41, 13 June 2009 (BST) Why did I never see this? Grohl finally realizes that there are only three real players in the Philosophe Knights (there used to be four, but Citizen M left), and I never found out? And our whole campaign of lewdly ravaging and violating each and every member of TZH exposed? You are a testament to Malton's good citizenry, Papa Nixon. And, might I say, a real, live Medical School graduate, which is to say, a person who has received higher education, something I can only dream about. Also, please do send us whatever IP information you have. Also, ignore the above rant, the good Duke simply does not wish anyone to know that he and his group are one of our sub-groups, much like The Spartans, the Flowers of Disease, and the Department of Emergency Management. We do wish to see whatever evidence you might have at hand of the alt-abuse, forum-spying, zerging, or otherwise which is rampant in our group. We will examine it, and use it to improve our extravagant breach of the game's only rule. I mean, who cares? Why should any of us care what any of you self-conscious e-personalities think about us? Social norms don't apply to us - we transcend such things. I have too much of a worldly perspective for personal hygiene, for example. Good day, and Praise Knowledge. --DTPK 03:47, 20 June 2009 (BST) Janus Clarke Hello, Yesterday (12-31-08) I was PK'd by a player named Janus Clarke (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1321237), whose profile states "Janus traded in his quest for revenge to become a tireless Educator in the employ of the Philosophe Knights." During the PK (screenshot of which can be found here: http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/pucks15/JanusClarkePK_12-31-08.jpg), Clarke claimed I was a text-rapist. This statement is false, wholly inaccurate, and I am innocent of that crime. I demand he produce proof of this crime (screenshot of when and where I did this) but I know for certain he cannot do that for I have never committed such a vile act. In interest of full disclosure, I am a former member of Team Zombie Hardcore but have been assisting survivor groups in Mornington for quite some time. You can ask Mrite of Those Dudes or Pandoras Emptiness of The Abandoned Warriors. It could be that Clarke has me confused with a TZH dirtbag. Would appreciate you having a discussion with Clarke on his murdering me and slandering my name in front of other survivors. Thank you.--Lurchy McGee 14:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC) I stopped by to back up Lurchy McGee's statement above, and lend my personal testimony to the fact that he is indeed an honorable man. He has been nothing but helpful to the Mornington contingent of Those Dudes since we began a small base of operations in the suburb, beginning in early 2007. I have never witnessed Lurchy doing anything nearly as reprehensible as the crime to which he has been accused of. On the other hand, I have seen and reported such instances that were committed by TZH, including the latest one which got duke cage put on the ignore list. I do not condone text rape, nor do I associate with those who engage in it. Therefore, I would not be standing up for Lurchy if he were involved in such activities. I have discussed this matter with some members of your organization privately, prior to this latest incident. I'm still open to discussing it with the leadership of this organization, as well as, offer any assistance I can in your endeavors to educate the ignorant, and eradicate the intolerant. I can be reached through our forum, Beerhah forum, or in one or more places on irc.nexuswar.com (#ThoseDudes, #beerhah, #mcm, or #10mf) on a regular basis, usually in the early evenings (6:00-8:00pm est) during the week, later on the weekends. Thank you for your time and patience. Here's to hoping the matter is resolved soon. --Mrite 15:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC) We apologize for the inconvenience and the mistake. Our TZH list still had Mr. McGee upon it, though several people have since corrected this, including Miss Begonia of the MCM. We have removed you from our kill list, but should any of our members kill you in the future, please inform us immediately. We are after current members of Team Zombie Hardcore, not past members. Once again, our sincere apologies, and should you need a revive, we will gladly provide you with one. Thank you for your time, and your understanding, and Praise Knowledge. --DTPK 18:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC) To Knights leadership: I appreciate your efforts in resolving this matter. Please continue to get the word out to your team about my status. As for a revive, I am grateful for your offer but I am pretty sure I will get revived by a member of TAW or TD shortly. Peace and best wishes for enlightening the masses in Malton.--Lurchy McGee 22:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC) DEM Policy? Hello, I'm Shusamchen, commonly abbreviated SSC. I'm a member of the DEM, which you guys seem to have a blanket policy on killing. I was just wondering how I and/or my affilated group managed to earn a place on your blacklist (no sarcasm or hostile intent intended). --Shusamchen 23:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC) I am quoting our illustrious Professor DT on this brief, yet insightful list. He offers... "- Actively promoting a third-party system of 'crime and punishment' - which openly vilifies the Philosophe Knights, and encourages their destruction - to other survivors and survivor groups. Factional Crime: Mass Slander. - Actively employing armed personnel to track and kill Philosophe Knights, using aforementioned third-party system. Factional Crime: Mass Hindrance. - Allowing other armed personnel to hunt and kill Philosophe Knights using that third-party system on a citywide scale and, in particular, in the traditional home of the Philosophe Knights and inside Centers of Learning. Factional Crime: Mass Hindrance. - Engaging in activities in peaceful suburbs which are not only unrequested by the regular residents, but often entirely contrary to the residents' needs and desires. The common explanation for the DEM's member-groups engaging in such activities is the total disregard for communication with local groups. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance. - Lack of unified effort exhibited by individuals of DEM member-groups. Members operating alone, rather than providing strength in numbers and cooperation, has been observed to make little impact upon a given situation. DEM policy does nothing to discourage this, and is believed to implement this quite often. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance. - Contributing to the development of, and actively spreading awareness of, a barricade priority template which advocates the endangerment of Centers of Learning through insufficient barricades. Factional Crime: Mass Disrespect for Knowledge. - Aiding and abetting enemies of the Philosophe Knights in times of war. Examples include: The DRRP, and the Bandit Queens. Factional Crime: Mass Aiding the Enemy. - (Note: Crime and Verdict listed as Controversial) The display of a Problematic Attitude. Especially: regarding small, organized groups of survivors. Observations show that many DEM personnel (of all ranks and member-groups) have a tendency to regard the opinions, actions, and operations of smaller groups or non-allies as inconsequential and insignificant. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance." I believe that sums up quite a bit. -- RHPK | burning chiton 02:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Also, your group is allied with enemies of knowledge. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC) It's much worse than that. The DEM considers itself allied with all survivors. That would include fairly well every person the Philosphe Knights kill. A group of people they would call "ignorant" granted they are a smaller group of players but even the Philsophe Knights have to find someone to veiw as inconsequential and insignificant. Why not the people they kill? So yeah I'll say the DEM stands for a society that is inclusive rather than exclusive. We will hold the torch of civilization for all..even the ignorant. So add that to our list of crimes.--Kristi of the Dead 13:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC) (sound of quill scratching) -- CITIZEN VI 16:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Hmm... I see. Well, things sound a lot worse when you say it like that. But when you have to manage 200+ personnel over all of Malton, things get quite difficult. On points regarding to barricading and unwanted assistance, we've always tried to follow appropriate barricade plans according to the wiki; it's not really easy to agree on all of these things. On your issues with teamwork, well, 200+ people aren't easy to manage, especially with our current structure. But we're working on that. Also bear in mind that we take in a lot of new players as well, and they aren't necessarily as disciplined as we'd like. We DO try to help every player, but nowadays with all this politicking going on around us, it's not always as clear anymore, especially when no-one bothers trying to talk to us and just says "Oh, the DEM just try to ruin everything for everybody. They rush in and make a mess for us to clean up, then disappear like they've never been here". And as a last point, may I note that DEM do not and will never proactively attack survivors, unless said survivors have a confirmed record (screenshot and personal report) of Player Killing of members of the DEM. Many thanks for your answer, it has cleared up a lot of things for me. May we one day settle our differences for the greater good of everyone. --Shusamchen 21:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC) I understand the Philosophe Knights policy regarding the DEM, but I have a question in terms of your "Faction Crimes - Aiding the Enemy". Specifically, how does this apply to groups/organizations in areas where the DEM may be the only other major survivor coalition (Crooketon, for instance)? In these cases, I would think that having every ally possible would be a boon... but I would like to hear from the Knights on the matter. --Maverick 15:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC) Taken to the forums for discussion. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC) Master Steerpike Today Skull Grin awoke to find himself in a familiar state of Unlife. The words ringing in his ears marked him as an ignorant, however, the irony of the statement caused a brief bout of anger. For it was Master Steerpike who is ignorant. Being murdered didn't bother Skull Grin one bit. But for someone to murder him for being what he is, to him at least, an act of intolerance bordering on the ignorant. Perhaps I should explain my position. As Skull Grin I am a Death Cultist. I seek the beauty in Unlife, and to those that have not embraced that path I could see how they wouldn't understand my views. Once upon a time I was a mere zombie without a care in the world, happily devouring all that wandered into my path. But after the first human stabbed me and changed me against my will I decided to better myself. I sought out the ways of the humans so I could combat them at their level and at mine. In short it was the never ending parade of Necrotechs, that ceaselessly harassed my humble group with constant unwanted revives, that made us into the destructive group that we are now. I can only assume that Master Steerpike was swayed by the words of the Rotters Relief. They have set up a Rot Revive on RDD territory without asking. And to a group of murderers and Death Cultists this was an act of war. Perhaps if you knew that the Rotters Relief were allied with the DEM your neophyte wouldn't have meddled in my affairs. So in a way your own man was in violation of one of your own rules: which is of course aiding your enemies. Albeit he did so unknowingly. I'm not an unreasonable man, and you caught me while my rational mind wasn't trapped in the berserker that is my undead form, so I propose that I will not seek retribution on Master Steerpike. However, the catch is that you cease your attacks on myself and my group. I've given my men standing orders to murder and destroy as they see fit with the exception of friends, allies, and respected parties. I simply ask that if you do not target my group we will not target any of your members in the area. We confine ourselves to Millen Hills as it is our home, we have no interest in invading your territory and killing it's members, and we ask that of you in return. (Out of character discussion begins) I will further state that it is my previous and current dealings with your members that made me approach you with diplomacy. As currently one of my alts has been sleeping in your mansion before moving eastward out of the region. I disliked having to stop but as you can attest there are sometimes unforeseen circumstances that can arise during one's travels. I've found that the tales of your hospitality are not exaggerated. I've also had brief dealings with your members with other alts, although they passed as strangers in the night, so I wouldn't think that they would be remembered by your people. I apologize for being so verbose but I find this to be an important matter that needed clearing up. I hope that this situation will be cleared up and cooler heads will prevail. On an ending note I'd like to pay compliment to Master Steerpike, as a killer of his level is always impressive. But what impressed me the most is that despite his level he truly is a killer. My first PKer alt started at level 5 and Master Steerpike somewhat reminds me of him in that they both have great potential and their killer instincts are enshrouded by their levels. Goribus 22:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings, citizen! I'm sorry to hear about your recent misfortune, and I am very glad to hear that it was not the death that bothered you so much as the reasons for it. This is an enlightened attitude that we rarely come across. You are obviously not the sort of ignorant individual we take so much pleasure in "educating". However, it is with great regret that I must inform you that Master Steerpike's action was completely within the realms of Philosophe philosophy, and were I to find myself in a similar situation I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. Why is this? Because, friend, any contention between your group and mine falls within an entirely different arena than that between the Knights and, shall we say, an ignorant mall-rat. The reason being that any conflict between us is not a conflict between the ignorant and the educated, but rather between the alive and the undead; the humanists and the anti-humanists. You see, although we are PKers, we Knights are distinctly pro-survivor in our philosophy, and our actions reflect this. Therefore any death-cultist is necessarily an enemy to us, just as any zombie would be. As such it is my unhappy duty to tun you away unvindicated, but I assure you that I have nothing but respect for you as a person, never mind you as a zombie, and that I would have been overjoyed to have made your acquaintance in a world slightly less blood-soaked than this. I hope this is a sufficient explanation. -- CITIZEN VI 15:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC) We find this to be most acceptable VI. And although there may be occasions that our groups kill each other it pleases me to know that it will be only business and not out of hostility. For the reasons you've previously stated we are technically natural enemies, and while that is most unfortunate, it is the way of things. If you kill us it is to survive and thrive, not to punish ignorance, in the same way that if we kill you it isn't out of malice, but rather because you stand in the way of the current objective we may have or because the little ones need to grow stronger. I simply didn't want for you to think that I held a personal grudge against your group for what happened. I agree that it is truly sad that our paths have pitted us against each other, because as trite as it sounds, we could very easily be friends and I hold nothing but respect for yourself and your organization. I find that you are perhaps the only Pro Survivor Group to have a worthy cause. And you contribute so much to the betterment of Malton. I suppose that meeting for a chess game is out of the question. Goribus 00:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Ah, this is excellent indeed. I admit I was slightly worried that you would not react with favour to my affirmation of our decidedly humanist stance. It seems I have been made the fool -- but what is it they say? "Ignorance is bliss"; an entirely incorrect supposition, but one which fits nicely here, I think. As for your game, I would enjoy nothing more than to meet you in battle upon that bloody checkered field! Name your place, sir, and I will be there. -- CITIZEN VI 04:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Gameknot is a free online chess server. My username is Goribus. I've joined it tonight. It looks like a great deal of fun. I've never played chess online with someone before so it should be interesting. I should warn you that I'm not an expert, however, I'm not a complete pushover either. But it's a marvelous game and I induldge in it at every oppurtunity to do so. Goribus 07:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Would you mind just using chess notation here on the wiki? It would take longer, but I enjoy having time to scheme, and we would be entertaining the masses. -- CITIZEN VI 15:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC) I would first have to locate my chess set which was packed away to save space. I'm not opposed to the idea, but it could take some time to either locate the missing set, or and this is more likely, for me to simply decide that I'm too lazy to look for the set and buy another one. *chuckles* It will probably be the latter. However if we decide against an actual game with physical sets I believe the maximum move time on that site is 1 week between turns. Goribus 21:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC) If I may interject, I'd just like to say that I'd love to see a game of chess played out here over the Wiki with notation. --Visible One 04:46, 20 June 2009 (BST) Knights in Yagoton Hello, Rohndogg1 again. I just wanted to let you know that we acknowledge that you have members in Yagoton for pro-survivor purposes and I've told The Abandoned that you are not to be touched unless hostile actions are proved to have occurred by your members. I'm happy to keep things peaceful between our groups, seeing as I dislike the danger posed by the uneducated. We still prefer peaceful methods of educating though, and as such, we ask that while you are in Yagoton you refrain from killing anyone. I'm sure there shouldn't be a problem since you've already stated the purpose of your visit, I just wanted to make sure. --Rohndogg1 17:09, 29 March 2009 (BST) I hate to be saying this, but it has come to my attention that one of your lower ranking members, StuartFS, has killed somebody in our beloved Yagoton, (we can provide a screen shot) which is against what you had said about being in Yagoton for pro-survivor purposes. I don't know if there was a lapse in communication or something, but I'd like to know what the deal is. If I could here back from you soon that would be great. Your friend in knowledge --Rohndogg1 20:45, 22 April 2009 (BST) PS: The reason given for the kill was that there was bad grammar in the victim's profile. I found it funny that when I looked at Stuart's profile while looking into this matter I noticed a grammatical error in his profile as well. Who did FS kill? We are killing Zergs at the moment, and some are in Yagoton. --DTPK 22:03, 3 May 2009 (BST) Sorry, I've been busy with school so my reply is a bit late. Here's a screenshot. On another note, Someone named Le Penseur killed The Envoy's Son. Unfortunately I can not provide a screenshot of this one, but it was reported by one of our oldest members so I am inclined to take his word for it. He did provide a time stamp, it occurred at 0700 GMT on 22 May 2009. Anything you can say about this new case would be appreciated. --Rohndogg1 16:31, 23 May 2009 (BST) The Envoy's Son is part of the Zerg army that we have been fighting across the city. We kill these animals wherever we find them. CITIZEN VI 19:39, 23 May 2009 (BST) A Humble Request Greetings, I have a small request mainly for one of your members, Jorgo Mono, but also by extension any other Philosophe Knights who may read this. Earlier today Mr Mono you saw fit to shoot down one of my new alts in Giddings Mall, I'm not bothered by the fact that you killed him, in fact I appreciate it in a way as it gave me an opportunity to purchase another Zed skill, however, I was slightly concerned by the fact that you failed to state why you killed me. Normally such a thing would not bother me, however, given the fact that you are a member of the Philosophe Knights I am led to believe that you targeted me because you deemed me guilty of a crime against knowledge. I'm guessing that this crime was most likely that of ignorance, either because the alt in question currently lacks a profile, or simply because I had the misfortune to AP out in that cesspool of ignorance that is called a mall, a place I would normally only be seen dead in, preferably along with a large hoard of my zombie brethren. Now, while I may be able to work out the likely reasoning for my killing, not everyone in my position would be, and for that reason I feel that, as an educator, you owe it to your victims to state what offence you have found them guilty of, otherwise how are they (and any witnesses who are also guilty of said crimes) supposed to learn the lesson that you are trying to teach them? Seeing you took the time to say "Goodbye" to me before delivering the fatal shot, you could have quite easily taken the time to say "Due to whatever reason you have been found guilty of whatever crime, and I hereby sentence you to death" It's short, sweet, to the point, and more importantly allows myself and others around me to understand what I did wrong and thus take steps to insure it doesn't happen again. By contrast though simply saying "Goodbye" before splattering my guts across the wall makes you look another run of the mill PKer. So please Mr Mono, before you deliver the final blow next time, state the reason for the actual killing so that you victims may be educated. Yours sincerely, Monstroso 19:59, 2 April 2009 (BST) I shall let him know your concerns. Kind Regards RE RE 19:59, 20 April 2009 (BST) "It's short, sweet, to the point". Well then, why couldn't you be? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 15:37, 26 May 2009 (BST) Proposal for non aggression Greetings!! I am C Whitty of The Nobodies We are a fairly new PKER group looking to forge links with other similar groups, I would like to act as ambassador towards your group, is there a forum where we can discuss further? Alternatively please feel free to contact us at http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_Nobodies/index.php?act=idx I look forward to your response Greetings and Salutations, C Whitty. The Knights appreciate your interest in a non-aggression proposal. We do not, however, kill for the sake of violence itself, so if there is no attack on our members, our allies or Knowledge, then there will be no aggression towards your group. As long as your people show the proper respect towards Centers of Learning and those of our Order, then you already have what you seek from us. Praise Knowledge! --Ov 6 June 2009 (EST) To even further delineate the situation We here at the Chocolate Thunder believe there has been a simple misunderstanding of motives in this situation. I understand your organization is dedicated to the spread of knowledge and the murder of those who inhibit said spread; we understand this, and if you have read our page you probably know that we too punish blatant stupidity. Now, there is something you must understand, the murder of Godred in no way was an act of aggression towards Nation Library, nor was it intended to as an act of hate towards knowledge and said spread of it. The quest to murder Godred began because he had recalled the book of Nation Library, which the Chocolate Thunder believes is an act of selfishness and a type of greed in itself, and thus deserved punishment. If Godred hoarded the books, how could knowledge spread? We received your request over the radio waves that Godred not be killed and it was seriously considered; however, when Godred broadcast that insulting speech saying that we had checked out books on how to have gay sex, his fate was unfortunately sealed. It is a group law of the Chocolate Thunder that insolence towards the Chocolate Thunder be punished by death. In the same manner the Philosophe Knights strive to protect knowledge and the spread of it, the Chocolate Thunder must punish insolence towards the Chocolate Thunder. To rehash, Godred's death was not an act against Nation Library, the spread of knowledge, or knowledge itself, it was simply because he had insulted the CHocolate Thunder. Now onto your requests. We at the Chocolate Thunder will respectfully refrain from killing in Lamport Hills, as you have so politely asked that we do so; however, I'm afraid we here at the Chocolate Thunder hold all graffiti walls as fair game for all groups and individuals. However, seeing as your group has been so needlessly polite to our new organization, the Thunder is willing to come to an agreement regarding the matter. Sincerely, The Chocolate Thunder --Alevins 03:51, 27 June 2009 (BST) Naturally, these requests are easily met. The Chocolate Thunder will refrain from tagging any building, cemetery, street, or structural entity otherwise within a three block radius of Southall Mansion, you have my word. Also, we have no quarrel with WHYTRY, Zhempz was just disrespecting the Chocolate Thunder and required punishment, but thank you for your concern. We sincerely hope the Philosophe Knights and the Chocolate Thunder will continue to coexist without altercations as long as they occupy Malton together. --Alevins 22:10, 28 June 2009 (BST) Recruitment Notice An advert for Chivalrous Sophists (from whose talk page I have been redirected) located at Chivalrous Sophists/Recruitment currently has a timestamp more than two months old. Please update it or the advert will be removed in two weeks. --  RoosterDragon  18:57, 29 June 2009 (BST) Thank you for informing us. The timestamp has been updated. -LEt Accused of Ignorance Hello Philosophes. I have until very recently been a fan of your work, and generally supportive of your cause. One of your newer members however accused and punished me for the crime of ignorance, a crime of which I believe myself to be innocent. If Isaac Grey could provide proof of my ignorance so that it might be remedied, I would be appreciative. If he cannot provide this proof, the removal of my name from your kill list, along with the correction of the capitalization error in Mr. Grey's profile and the replacement of the bounty link on his wiki page to his own Rogues Gallery page, instead of Noc II's, will suffice as apology. Thank you. --Bunkhumper Dear Sir, I am pleased to inform you that IG will not be asked to provide you with an apology. Your punishment was in good judgement. Why? You are a Death Cultist, belonging to a horde which, even now, is targeting Schools. To kill for the sake of eradicating life is a crime against Knowledge in itself. To specifically target Centers of Learning is unforgivable. Should any of those who wear the mask find you again, have no doubt that you will be returned to your preferred state of death. Your name will remain on our kill list, and perhaps the list of those who executed you shall grow, or perhaps the names of your colleagues will join your own. Your current leader ought to have his name there, but it seems that SN is lax when updating our list. However, we shall ask our members to be wary of capitalization errors, as well as make sure they have the correct links of their wiki pages. Thank you for alerting us to this. Consider your ignorant actions and the foolishness which is prevalent in so-called "Barhah". It is folly, and those who dedicate their existances to it are doomed to failure. Praise Knowledge. --DTPK 16:34, 30 June 2009 (BST) First I'll note that I didn't ask for an apology, I asked for an explanation of my ignorance, or three acts that would suffice as an apology. Second, the staements regarding BARHAH are beyond the scope of this argument. Your explanation sounds like a cop-out to me. The crime I was accused of was ignorance, not bad allegiances. If Mr. Grey was exacting a punishment for a faction crime, he should have specified that as the reason instead of citing ignorance. His given reason alone leads me to believe that his actions were not motivated as you described, but for some non-existent infraction he perceived. If you feel he is unqualified to explain his own motivations in this instance, I can only hope that you will encourage him to be more precise in his future sentencing. --Bunkhumper 14:55, 1 July 2009 (BST)