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An even more awesome offer than the one before

Dear Knights, I know quite well that you are not fond of the groups that were involved in the Battle of Krinks, groups that include The Black Flag, itself a PKing, albeit politically motivated, group which I am affiliated with. I come to speak, however, on behalf of the Gibsonton Squatters, who my alt is a member of, and who, being a group with similar, albeit more peaceful beliefs as the Black Flag cell, also expressed support for the forces defending Krinks but, being small and remote, did not involve themselves directly in the battle. Our grievance is that the Imperium, which you have fought well before, has grown strong once more and is dominating the suburb. What began as tag wars and rhetorical battles erupts into violence whenever the Imperium feels our dissenting presence is not welcome in the territory they have so delusionally claimed. In short, we would humbly ask you to consider a second invasion of Gibsonton to wipe the morons out. --Fenian 22:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

The Imperium, in an attempt to stifle free speech and open discourse in favor of their dogmatic orthodoxy of Imperial worship, have attacked the Gibsonton Squatters for questioning their authoritarian ideology and seeking to explore the social implications of alternative property and judicial systems. We request your presence to defend free speech against these book-burning Imperialists. --Fenian 19:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)

An open hand (without a knife behind my back, I promise)

Hello once again Knights, I have progressed quite quickly since my silly threats I made below. I come asking for some assitance in my assault on the Burchell Arms, the group that owns the place is weak right now, their high level members inactive or scattered elsewhere. Even their wiki page is inactive, even though they are clearly active in the area. Their incompetence is annoying, and its time for them to die. Now, I don't expect your assitance will arrive, but it would be appreciated. And you probably want to kill me a few times for my absurd threats from before, so I'll give you all that chance as well. If you refuse, well I have a back up plan given to me by an accomplice of mine, its less effective, but most back up plans are. Well, that is all for now, enjoy the slaying of the ignorant. Sincerly, Pathetic Bill X Febuary 22, 2010

A lesson learned from epic failure

Greetings Knights, I have finally lurched my way to your suburb, only to find that it is overrun by the undead. I'm going to assume that this is due to either, A)A well thought out, diabolically clever plan to confuse your enemies into thinking you've been slaughtered. Or B)You got slaughtered. I guess that, judging by the current situation, my work was done for me. Or, more likely, you're all just off "educating" people elsewhere. In the mean time, I'll slap some zombies around for you, try to tidy the place up a bit while earning XP.Pathetic Bill X January 25, 2010

Ah, well, it would seem that I was wrong, again. You are not located in Yagoton at all, I believe that this requires a facepalm. Well, I will soon figure out where you are, in the meantime, I'll just, uhm...slap some zombies around I guess, not much else to do.Pathetic Bill X January 25, 2010

Success! We fooled you into thinking we lived in Yagoton, in an elaborate scheme to make you connect your palm to your face after you foolishly thought we'd been either slaughtered or had fooled you into thinking we'd been slaughtered. Now, feel the crushing humiliation of defeat as this mighty blow we have dealt you forces you to look silly on our talk page!

Are you still trying to kill us, by the way? --DT^PK 21:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

No, no, no, after seeing your "Kill List" I think we should be on good terms, since we share similar interests. Perhaps once I'm revived we can share this fine bottle of amontillado I found. Until then, I will pass the time with some zombie slapping. Pathetic Bill X January 27, 2010

A Challange of Monumental Proportions

Greetings Knights. This is Pathetic Bill X Daring you to stop me. Thats right, I believe you and many other groups promote too much life in this game. The BAR with their drinking, the various PD groups with their preserverance and YOU, with your so called "knowledge", I shall work my way to your suburb, ruining every last School, Library, and Museum. I challange you to oppose me! User:Pathetic Bill X January 11, 2010

Us Pkers should be working toghether not attacking each other. --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

And why is that, Michaleson? Why should we allow you, so many of whom are as ignorant as any mall rat, to be spared the fire of knowledge? Tell me what is so special about you and yours whose only distinction is a human-centric use of arms.

And by the by, Bill, our suburb and every other around it for miles is a monumental ruin, so either you're particularly good at planned laziness, or you'll have quite a time to wait. CITIZEN VI 20:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Challenge. Attend one of those schools before you ruin it, William, and remember the importance of knowing one's enemy. Whilst gleaned from resources such as those you threaten, knowledge does not solely repose in the written word. Ruin our libraries, or musea, our schools - and then you will still need to kill us all, one by one. Will you succeed? 20:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Quite a conundrum one would say, to choose a path but not follow the way. The Knighthood is old, it's legions vast; your one man army has not a chance. A crusade against ignorance is what we preach, through book or through gun a discretion to each.

You follow in the foot steps of legend, Mr. X. Many of the Knights you are threatening knew the man of whom you impersonate. But beware, for Bill was not one of those who believed imitation is flattering. Vanitas Mori 20:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Now that's funny. I was assuming that you followed the policies whose templates you put on your page. No honor here, is there? RinKou 00:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Humph, Well Knights, perhaps I was wrong to be enraged so quickly by your beliefs. Upon further examination of your wiki, I found that your message of knowledge accomlishes the erradication of survivors and their groups quite well. I will leave you be, and I forgot the HAT policy as well, as Vanitas stated above. I would like to take back any and all offenses made to indiviual Knights and the group as a whole, perhaps I will heed your advice and seek enlightment at a place of learning for awhile. As for my choosen alias of Pathetic Bill X, I simply wanted to make a character related to ingame history, in the hopes it could cause a sense of unease among groups that remember Pathetic Bill. Also, I noticed that Misanthropy appears to be in your numbers, I would tip my hat to you, but at the moment my hat has been eaten. If you find me in game, most likely as an undead due to my recent bad fortune, feel free to "educate" me as much as needed for my ignorance. Good day Knights, may you slay the ignorant, including myself for the time being, in colossal numbers today. Humbly,Pathetic Bill X. 13 January 2010

Sadly, LoD had it's own experience with this faux Pathetic Bill recently. Prior knowledge of him could have avoided said situation. Although, he has been humiliated thoroughly, if that is any consolation. It was delightful to serve him his comeuppance. I enjoyed his pain, it made me all goose bumpy. "Praise Prior Knowledge as well" (And Mimes) :P --_♥AU10♥Pantomime _{Mistress of Pain}┌∩┐(◕‿◕)┌∩┐ 02:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

GREAT EASTSIDE RP CLEANUP

Hello Knights. This is Dimmswick from the Big Prick. We're organizing a GREAT EASTSIDE RP CLEANUP and would love to have at least some of you aboard. As lovers of wisdom and higher thought, I must suspect that you favor a state of life to that of unlife, which is uniquely non-conducive for contemplation and intellectual cultivation. Eastern Malton is in terrible shape, and we could use all the help we could get. We hope to see you coming along with us when the event kicks off in mid-January.

- Dimmswick 06:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

An issue with The Abandoned

Greetings seekers of knowledge, I come to you with an issue that I hope you can rectify. We at The Abandoned have noticed you in the area and as per our past agreement we have not engaged your members. In fact, I had just told one of our newer members to not harm you when the next day I see a new post from him, he had been killed by AG I have a screenshot if needed. He killed the lad for DNA extracting but not reviving him. I don't think it occurred that our boy may not have had any syringes, but that's beside the point. The point is I don't think we should revert to hostility when mistakes like this can be avoided. I have asked that there be no retaliation for now, but I would like to see something on your end be it an apology from AG or something, but it's difficult to keep our people from attacking when there are incidents. The big thing is that we keep things peaceful, so I'm reminding you that while you are in Yagoton, you don't step around us and undue the peace we work so hard to maintain and more so that the members of our group who are doing the work aren't killed. Thank you, that is all.

Alright, I just witnessed another kill by Andrew Tsai. I can't have this, as of now he is on our list, if you feel that he is out of line and wish to leave his actions separate from your group that's fine, but he is now deemed KOS. There is really nothing I can do about it, that's two transgressions in a short time, not to mention I have not yet received a response. I have much to do, so I must leave you now. --Rohndogg1 23:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I speak for the Philosophe Nits when I say, "your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries" I am not actually a member of the PK --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you're an idiot. Please keep your ignorance to yourself, it's not needed here.--Rohndogg1 15:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Your wanton aggression wounds me. Please take this game less seriously :( --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 22:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I fart in you general direction Karloth. --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 23:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

This aggression will not stand, man! --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 00:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

A plaque on both of your horses. I demand the Philosophe Knights answer for such rude treatment of guests on their talk page. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

First of all it's plague not plaque, second of all, I have a genuine issue requiring discussion and you're foolishness doesn't help. --Rohndogg1 18:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Dude, are you for realz? If not, I am amused. If so, I am supercalifragilisticexpialidociously amused. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 19:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Without a plaque, how is one supposed to hold on during a particularly rowdy gallop? --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

It is the wiki. If its that much of a problem go to the fourm. And don't make me finish you off Katloth >.> --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 19:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

My account still hasn't been activated there, otherwise I'd have posted it there. Anyway I've stopped caring already, but harassing Karloth is mildly entertaining so I'm keeping with it. Not that it really matters anyway. --Rohndogg1 04:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Mildly? Shit dawg, down a bottle of vodka and it'll be the best thing you've ever done in your life.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I have genuine foolishness requiring discussion and your issue doesn't help. :( --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

olo -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

First, Karl, Engel, Paddy: Get off this talk page and please do not return until you want to complain about the Knights killing your group members en masse. If you do this while the Knights are not killing your group members en masse, then I'll have a Sysop tell you in more official tones to stay off. Yes, even you, SA. Thank you, goodbye, and Praise Knowledge.
Second Rhohndogg: Could you explain the nature of the Agreement that The Abandoned have with the Philosophe Knights? I've looked, and while I have found references to some sort of cease-fire agreement during the Zerg Gank Auto event in Shearbank, I have not actually found the discussion of said Ceasefire. The Knights are not terribly anxious for bad blood between the Abandoned and the Philosophe Knights, and would perhaps be open to further cooperation with the Abandoned. If you wish to talk about this on our forums, please tell me the name of your account there, so I can activate it, and give it the proper access. Thank you, and Praise Knowledge. --DT^PK 20:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I haven't checked this in a while. I believe I used the name Rohndogg1 on your forum. I tend to try to keep things uniform for the sake of clarity. Opening communication would be great. --Rohndogg1 04:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Text Rape and Zerging

We know you do both. Lady HK (former or current PK, we don't care) is a convicted text rapist. We have IP proof that there are zergs within your subgroups "Sword of Damocles" and "Lord Burton's Gentleman's Club". Don't expect us to report, we are above whining to trumped up, made up authorities. Just thought you would want to know. There is the slim possibility that your leadership, if the head of such a self righteous backwash could be called leadership, might not know this.

We have never left. We will never leave. What "text rape" proof you can show against us, which isn't much, was made by members who for the sake of irony non-explicitly wrote things to prove how stupid the DEM definition of text rape actually is. So far, the most graphic depiction of anything sexual that has occured involving text rape was the "crime" committed by Lady HK when she claimed to manipulate genitals, and then mutilate them for the sake of asserting her dominance and control over another. This was done to members of TZH who had never even player killed.

Expect us to stay. We will watch with glee as your members become bored, as they leave, as your zerging alts are left by the wayside. We will smile as your pathetic excuse for endurance leaves you. We will ignore most of you, killing only the ones of you who we think have profile names amusing enough to kill. And the best time had by all will be in the knowing that so many high schoolers who want so desperately for everyone else to beleive they are philosophy majors in college could do nothing to stop the second oldest group in Malton: TZH. We are strength incarnate. Long live TZH. Long live Whalberg. Death to Zombies and fools like the Philosophe Knights. --Dhavid Grohl 13:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Grohl, as per usual your "facts" are woefully inaccurate:

1. Lady HK is not on the Ignore List, so she's been "convicted" by who exactly? Oh, that would be you objecting to a comment made satirising your group's slogan using your group's idiom on an out-of-game discussion forum and attempting to use it to justify your members' actions ingame. Give it up – you're fooling nobody.
2. I assume you're attempting to refer to Lord Curton's Gentlemen's Hunting Club. Well, it is mine: although some of our members also have memberships in other groups, we are subject to no group's authority other than our own. If you have a complaint about one of our members, address it to me. I assure you, we treat zerging with the utmost severity.
3. Might want to recheck the list, there – the original poster hasn't updated, but you're currently down to 4th oldest still active group. (Not to disparage your longevity, merely picking nits.)

Now that that's out of the way: long time, no see. How're things? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:41, 13 June 2009 (BST)

Why did I never see this? Grohl finally realizes that there are only three real players in the Philosophe Knights (there used to be four, but Citizen M left), and I never found out? And our whole campaign of lewdly ravaging and violating each and every member of TZH exposed? You are a testament to Malton's good citizenry, Papa Nixon. And, might I say, a real, live Medical School graduate, which is to say, a person who has received higher education, something I can only dream about.

Also, please do send us whatever IP information you have. Also, ignore the above rant, the good Duke simply does not wish anyone to know that he and his group are one of our sub-groups, much like The Spartans, the Flowers of Disease, and the Department of Emergency Management. We do wish to see whatever evidence you might have at hand of the alt-abuse, forum-spying, zerging, or otherwise which is rampant in our group. We will examine it, and use it to improve our extravagant breach of the game's only rule. I mean, who cares? Why should any of us care what any of you self-conscious e-personalities think about us? Social norms don't apply to us - we transcend such things. I have too much of a worldly perspective for personal hygiene, for example.

Good day, and Praise Knowledge. --DT^PK 03:47, 20 June 2009 (BST)

Janus Clarke

Hello, Yesterday (12-31-08) I was PK'd by a player named Janus Clarke (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1321237), whose profile states "Janus traded in his quest for revenge to become a tireless Educator in the employ of the Philosophe Knights."

During the PK (screenshot of which can be found here: http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/pucks15/JanusClarkePK_12-31-08.jpg), Clarke claimed I was a text-rapist. This statement is false, wholly inaccurate, and I am innocent of that crime.

I demand he produce proof of this crime (screenshot of when and where I did this) but I know for certain he cannot do that for I have never committed such a vile act.

In interest of full disclosure, I am a former member of Team Zombie Hardcore but have been assisting survivor groups in Mornington for quite some time. You can ask Mrite of Those Dudes or Pandoras Emptiness of The Abandoned Warriors.

It could be that Clarke has me confused with a TZH dirtbag. Would appreciate you having a discussion with Clarke on his murdering me and slandering my name in front of other survivors. Thank you.--Lurchy McGee 14:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I stopped by to back up Lurchy McGee's statement above, and lend my personal testimony to the fact that he is indeed an honorable man. He has been nothing but helpful to the Mornington contingent of Those Dudes since we began a small base of operations in the suburb, beginning in early 2007. I have never witnessed Lurchy doing anything nearly as reprehensible as the crime to which he has been accused of. On the other hand, I have seen and reported such instances that were committed by TZH, including the latest one which got duke cage put on the ignore list. I do not condone text rape, nor do I associate with those who engage in it. Therefore, I would not be standing up for Lurchy if he were involved in such activities.

I have discussed this matter with some members of your organization privately, prior to this latest incident. I'm still open to discussing it with the leadership of this organization, as well as, offer any assistance I can in your endeavors to educate the ignorant, and eradicate the intolerant.

I can be reached through our forum, Beerhah forum, or in one or more places on irc.nexuswar.com (#ThoseDudes, #beerhah, #mcm, or #10mf) on a regular basis, usually in the early evenings (6:00-8:00pm est) during the week, later on the weekends.

Thank you for your time and patience. Here's to hoping the matter is resolved soon.

--Mrite 15:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

We apologize for the inconvenience and the mistake. Our TZH list still had Mr. McGee upon it, though several people have since corrected this, including Miss Begonia of the MCM. We have removed you from our kill list, but should any of our members kill you in the future, please inform us immediately. We are after current members of Team Zombie Hardcore, not past members. Once again, our sincere apologies, and should you need a revive, we will gladly provide you with one. Thank you for your time, and your understanding, and Praise Knowledge. --DT^PK 18:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

To Knights leadership: I appreciate your efforts in resolving this matter. Please continue to get the word out to your team about my status. As for a revive, I am grateful for your offer but I am pretty sure I will get revived by a member of TAW or TD shortly. Peace and best wishes for enlightening the masses in Malton.--Lurchy McGee 22:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

DEM Policy?

Hello, I'm Shusamchen, commonly abbreviated SSC. I'm a member of the DEM, which you guys seem to have a blanket policy on killing. I was just wondering how I and/or my affilated group managed to earn a place on your blacklist (no sarcasm or hostile intent intended). --Shusamchen 23:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I am quoting our illustrious Professor DT on this brief, yet insightful list. He offers...

"- Actively promoting a third-party system of 'crime and punishment' - which openly vilifies the Philosophe Knights, and encourages their destruction - to other survivors and survivor groups. Factional Crime: Mass Slander.

- Actively employing armed personnel to track and kill Philosophe Knights, using aforementioned third-party system. Factional Crime: Mass Hindrance.

- Allowing other armed personnel to hunt and kill Philosophe Knights using that third-party system on a citywide scale and, in particular, in the traditional home of the Philosophe Knights and inside Centers of Learning. Factional Crime: Mass Hindrance.

- Engaging in activities in peaceful suburbs which are not only unrequested by the regular residents, but often entirely contrary to the residents' needs and desires. The common explanation for the DEM's member-groups engaging in such activities is the total disregard for communication with local groups. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance.

- Lack of unified effort exhibited by individuals of DEM member-groups. Members operating alone, rather than providing strength in numbers and cooperation, has been observed to make little impact upon a given situation. DEM policy does nothing to discourage this, and is believed to implement this quite often. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance.

- Contributing to the development of, and actively spreading awareness of, a barricade priority template which advocates the endangerment of Centers of Learning through insufficient barricades. Factional Crime: Mass Disrespect for Knowledge.

- Aiding and abetting enemies of the Philosophe Knights in times of war. Examples include: The DRRP, and the Bandit Queens. Factional Crime: Mass Aiding the Enemy.

- (Note: Crime and Verdict listed as Controversial) The display of a Problematic Attitude. Especially: regarding small, organized groups of survivors. Observations show that many DEM personnel (of all ranks and member-groups) have a tendency to regard the opinions, actions, and operations of smaller groups or non-allies as inconsequential and insignificant. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance."

I believe that sums up quite a bit.

-- RH_{PK | burning chiton} 02:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, your group is allied with enemies of knowledge. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It's much worse than that. The DEM considers itself allied with all survivors. That would include fairly well every person the Philosphe Knights kill. A group of people they would call "ignorant" granted they are a smaller group of players but even the Philsophe Knights have to find someone to veiw as inconsequential and insignificant. Why not the people they kill? So yeah I'll say the DEM stands for a society that is inclusive rather than exclusive. We will hold the torch of civilization for all..even the ignorant. So add that to our list of crimes.--Kristi of the Dead 13:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

(sound of quill scratching) -- CITIZEN VI 16:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I see. Well, things sound a lot worse when you say it like that. But when you have to manage 200+ personnel over all of Malton, things get quite difficult. On points regarding to barricading and unwanted assistance, we've always tried to follow appropriate barricade plans according to the wiki; it's not really easy to agree on all of these things. On your issues with teamwork, well, 200+ people aren't easy to manage, especially with our current structure. But we're working on that. Also bear in mind that we take in a lot of new players as well, and they aren't necessarily as disciplined as we'd like. We DO try to help every player, but nowadays with all this politicking going on around us, it's not always as clear anymore, especially when no-one bothers trying to talk to us and just says "Oh, the DEM just try to ruin everything for everybody. They rush in and make a mess for us to clean up, then disappear like they've never been here". And as a last point, may I note that DEM do not and will never proactively attack survivors, unless said survivors have a confirmed record (screenshot and personal report) of Player Killing of members of the DEM. Many thanks for your answer, it has cleared up a lot of things for me. May we one day settle our differences for the greater good of everyone. --Shusamchen 21:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I understand the Philosophe Knights policy regarding the DEM, but I have a question in terms of your "Faction Crimes - Aiding the Enemy". Specifically, how does this apply to groups/organizations in areas where the DEM may be the only other major survivor coalition (Crooketon, for instance)? In these cases, I would think that having every ally possible would be a boon... but I would like to hear from the Knights on the matter. --Maverick 15:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Taken to the forums for discussion. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Master Steerpike

Today Skull Grin awoke to find himself in a familiar state of Unlife. The words ringing in his ears marked him as an ignorant, however, the irony of the statement caused a brief bout of anger. For it was Master Steerpike who is ignorant. Being murdered didn't bother Skull Grin one bit. But for someone to murder him for being what he is, to him at least, an act of intolerance bordering on the ignorant.

Perhaps I should explain my position. As Skull Grin I am a Death Cultist. I seek the beauty in Unlife, and to those that have not embraced that path I could see how they wouldn't understand my views. Once upon a time I was a mere zombie without a care in the world, happily devouring all that wandered into my path. But after the first human stabbed me and changed me against my will I decided to better myself. I sought out the ways of the humans so I could combat them at their level and at mine.

In short it was the never ending parade of Necrotechs, that ceaselessly harassed my humble group with constant unwanted revives, that made us into the destructive group that we are now. I can only assume that Master Steerpike was swayed by the words of the Rotters Relief. They have set up a Rot Revive on RDD territory without asking. And to a group of murderers and Death Cultists this was an act of war. Perhaps if you knew that the Rotters Relief were allied with the DEM your neophyte wouldn't have meddled in my affairs. So in a way your own man was in violation of one of your own rules: which is of course aiding your enemies. Albeit he did so unknowingly.

I'm not an unreasonable man, and you caught me while my rational mind wasn't trapped in the berserker that is my undead form, so I propose that I will not seek retribution on Master Steerpike. However, the catch is that you cease your attacks on myself and my group. I've given my men standing orders to murder and destroy as they see fit with the exception of friends, allies, and respected parties. I simply ask that if you do not target my group we will not target any of your members in the area. We confine ourselves to Millen Hills as it is our home, we have no interest in invading your territory and killing it's members, and we ask that of you in return.

(Out of character discussion begins)

I will further state that it is my previous and current dealings with your members that made me approach you with diplomacy. As currently one of my alts has been sleeping in your mansion before moving eastward out of the region. I disliked having to stop but as you can attest there are sometimes unforeseen circumstances that can arise during one's travels. I've found that the tales of your hospitality are not exaggerated. I've also had brief dealings with your members with other alts, although they passed as strangers in the night, so I wouldn't think that they would be remembered by your people.

I apologize for being so verbose but I find this to be an important matter that needed clearing up. I hope that this situation will be cleared up and cooler heads will prevail. On an ending note I'd like to pay compliment to Master Steerpike, as a killer of his level is always impressive. But what impressed me the most is that despite his level he truly is a killer. My first PKer alt started at level 5 and Master Steerpike somewhat reminds me of him in that they both have great potential and their killer instincts are enshrouded by their levels. Goribus 22:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, citizen! I'm sorry to hear about your recent misfortune, and I am very glad to hear that it was not the death that bothered you so much as the reasons for it. This is an enlightened attitude that we rarely come across. You are obviously not the sort of ignorant individual we take so much pleasure in "educating".

However, it is with great regret that I must inform you that Master Steerpike's action was completely within the realms of Philosophe philosophy, and were I to find myself in a similar situation I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. Why is this? Because, friend, any contention between your group and mine falls within an entirely different arena than that between the Knights and, shall we say, an ignorant mall-rat. The reason being that any conflict between us is not a conflict between the ignorant and the educated, but rather between the alive and the undead; the humanists and the anti-humanists. You see, although we are PKers, we Knights are distinctly pro-survivor in our philosophy, and our actions reflect this. Therefore any death-cultist is necessarily an enemy to us, just as any zombie would be.

As such it is my unhappy duty to tun you away unvindicated, but I assure you that I have nothing but respect for you as a person, never mind you as a zombie, and that I would have been overjoyed to have made your acquaintance in a world slightly less blood-soaked than this. I hope this is a sufficient explanation. -- CITIZEN VI 15:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

We find this to be most acceptable VI. And although there may be occasions that our groups kill each other it pleases me to know that it will be only business and not out of hostility. For the reasons you've previously stated we are technically natural enemies, and while that is most unfortunate, it is the way of things. If you kill us it is to survive and thrive, not to punish ignorance, in the same way that if we kill you it isn't out of malice, but rather because you stand in the way of the current objective we may have or because the little ones need to grow stronger. I simply didn't want for you to think that I held a personal grudge against your group for what happened.

I agree that it is truly sad that our paths have pitted us against each other, because as trite as it sounds, we could very easily be friends and I hold nothing but respect for yourself and your organization. I find that you are perhaps the only Pro Survivor Group to have a worthy cause. And you contribute so much to the betterment of Malton.

I suppose that meeting for a chess game is out of the question. Goribus 00:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, this is excellent indeed. I admit I was slightly worried that you would not react with favour to my affirmation of our decidedly humanist stance. It seems I have been made the fool -- but what is it they say? "Ignorance is bliss"; an entirely incorrect supposition, but one which fits nicely here, I think. As for your game, I would enjoy nothing more than to meet you in battle upon that bloody checkered field! Name your place, sir, and I will be there. -- CITIZEN VI 04:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Gameknot is a free online chess server. My username is Goribus. I've joined it tonight. It looks like a great deal of fun. I've never played chess online with someone before so it should be interesting. I should warn you that I'm not an expert, however, I'm not a complete pushover either. But it's a marvelous game and I induldge in it at every oppurtunity to do so. Goribus 07:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind just using chess notation here on the wiki? It would take longer, but I enjoy having time to scheme, and we would be entertaining the masses. -- CITIZEN VI 15:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I would first have to locate my chess set which was packed away to save space. I'm not opposed to the idea, but it could take some time to either locate the missing set, or and this is more likely, for me to simply decide that I'm too lazy to look for the set and buy another one. *chuckles* It will probably be the latter. However if we decide against an actual game with physical sets I believe the maximum move time on that site is 1 week between turns. Goribus 21:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

If I may interject, I'd just like to say that I'd love to see a game of chess played out here over the Wiki with notation. --Visible One 04:46, 20 June 2009 (BST)

Knights in Yagoton

Hello, Rohndogg1 again. I just wanted to let you know that we acknowledge that you have members in Yagoton for pro-survivor purposes and I've told The Abandoned that you are not to be touched unless hostile actions are proved to have occurred by your members. I'm happy to keep things peaceful between our groups, seeing as I dislike the danger posed by the uneducated. We still prefer peaceful methods of educating though, and as such, we ask that while you are in Yagoton you refrain from killing anyone. I'm sure there shouldn't be a problem since you've already stated the purpose of your visit, I just wanted to make sure. --Rohndogg1 17:09, 29 March 2009 (BST)

I hate to be saying this, but it has come to my attention that one of your lower ranking members, StuartFS, has killed somebody in our beloved Yagoton, (we can provide a screen shot) which is against what you had said about being in Yagoton for pro-survivor purposes. I don't know if there was a lapse in communication or something, but I'd like to know what the deal is. If I could here back from you soon that would be great. Your friend in knowledge --Rohndogg1 20:45, 22 April 2009 (BST) PS: The reason given for the kill was that there was bad grammar in the victim's profile. I found it funny that when I looked at Stuart's profile while looking into this matter I noticed a grammatical error in his profile as well.

Who did FS kill? We are killing Zergs at the moment, and some are in Yagoton. --DT^PK 22:03, 3 May 2009 (BST)

Sorry, I've been busy with school so my reply is a bit late. Here's a screenshot. On another note, Someone named Le Penseur killed The Envoy's Son. Unfortunately I can not provide a screenshot of this one, but it was reported by one of our oldest members so I am inclined to take his word for it. He did provide a time stamp, it occurred at 0700 GMT on 22 May 2009. Anything you can say about this new case would be appreciated. --Rohndogg1 16:31, 23 May 2009 (BST)

The Envoy's Son is part of the Zerg army that we have been fighting across the city. We kill these animals wherever we find them. CITIZEN VI 19:39, 23 May 2009 (BST)

Hello esteemed scholars, it has come to my attention that three days ago (I haven't been on) Kieran Light, killed someone by the name of Mumrahh in Yagoton. The reason given was ignorance. Now I know that is normally acceptable of your members, but the agreement amongst us was to refrain from killing in our area. This has been beneficial for both sides as it keeps things more peaceful in our home and it keeps my members from attacking your members and vice versa. If there was more of a reason along with ignorance such as zerging or the like then not a problem, but I would like to keep things as peaceful as possible amongst us. --Rohndogg1 20:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

A Humble Request

Greetings, I have a small request mainly for one of your members, Jorgo Mono, but also by extension any other Philosophe Knights who may read this. Earlier today Mr Mono you saw fit to shoot down one of my new alts in Giddings Mall, I'm not bothered by the fact that you killed him, in fact I appreciate it in a way as it gave me an opportunity to purchase another Zed skill, however, I was slightly concerned by the fact that you failed to state why you killed me. Normally such a thing would not bother me, however, given the fact that you are a member of the Philosophe Knights I am led to believe that you targeted me because you deemed me guilty of a crime against knowledge. I'm guessing that this crime was most likely that of ignorance, either because the alt in question currently lacks a profile, or simply because I had the misfortune to AP out in that cesspool of ignorance that is called a mall, a place I would normally only be seen dead in, preferably along with a large hoard of my zombie brethren. Now, while I may be able to work out the likely reasoning for my killing, not everyone in my position would be, and for that reason I feel that, as an educator, you owe it to your victims to state what offence you have found them guilty of, otherwise how are they (and any witnesses who are also guilty of said crimes) supposed to learn the lesson that you are trying to teach them? Seeing you took the time to say "Goodbye" to me before delivering the fatal shot, you could have quite easily taken the time to say "Due to whatever reason you have been found guilty of whatever crime, and I hereby sentence you to death" It's short, sweet, to the point, and more importantly allows myself and others around me to understand what I did wrong and thus take steps to insure it doesn't happen again. By contrast though simply saying "Goodbye" before splattering my guts across the wall makes you look another run of the mill PKer. So please Mr Mono, before you deliver the final blow next time, state the reason for the actual killing so that you victims may be educated. Yours sincerely, Monstroso 19:59, 2 April 2009 (BST)

I shall let him know your concerns. Kind Regards RE RE 19:59, 20 April 2009 (BST)

"It's short, sweet, to the point". Well then, why couldn't you be? D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 15:37, 26 May 2009 (BST)

Proposal for non aggression

Greetings!! I am C Whitty of The Nobodies

We are a fairly new PKER group looking to forge links with other similar groups, I would like to act as ambassador towards your group, is there a forum where we can discuss further?

Alternatively please feel free to contact us at

http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_Nobodies/index.php?act=idx

I look forward to your response

Greetings and Salutations, C Whitty. The Knights appreciate your interest in a non-aggression proposal. We do not, however, kill for the sake of violence itself, so if there is no attack on our members, our allies or Knowledge, then there will be no aggression towards your group. As long as your people show the proper respect towards Centers of Learning and those of our Order, then you already have what you seek from us. Praise Knowledge! --Ov 6 June 2009 (EST)

That could be a problem considering his PKer group only desires to kill The Fortress, an ally of yours that regularly resides inside school buildings. Sadore

To even further delineate the situation

We here at the Chocolate Thunder believe there has been a simple misunderstanding of motives in this situation. I understand your organization is dedicated to the spread of knowledge and the murder of those who inhibit said spread; we understand this, and if you have read our page you probably know that we too punish blatant stupidity. Now, there is something you must understand, the murder of Godred in no way was an act of aggression towards Nation Library, nor was it intended to as an act of hate towards knowledge and said spread of it. The quest to murder Godred began because he had recalled the book of Nation Library, which the Chocolate Thunder believes is an act of selfishness and a type of greed in itself, and thus deserved punishment. If Godred hoarded the books, how could knowledge spread? We received your request over the radio waves that Godred not be killed and it was seriously considered; however, when Godred broadcast that insulting speech saying that we had checked out books on how to have gay sex, his fate was unfortunately sealed. It is a group law of the Chocolate Thunder that insolence towards the Chocolate Thunder be punished by death. In the same manner the Philosophe Knights strive to protect knowledge and the spread of it, the Chocolate Thunder must punish insolence towards the Chocolate Thunder. To rehash, Godred's death was not an act against Nation Library, the spread of knowledge, or knowledge itself, it was simply because he had insulted the CHocolate Thunder.

Now onto your requests. We at the Chocolate Thunder will respectfully refrain from killing in Lamport Hills, as you have so politely asked that we do so; however, I'm afraid we here at the Chocolate Thunder hold all graffiti walls as fair game for all groups and individuals. However, seeing as your group has been so needlessly polite to our new organization, the Thunder is willing to come to an agreement regarding the matter. Sincerely, The Chocolate Thunder --Alevins 03:51, 27 June 2009 (BST)

• Naturally, these requests are easily met. The Chocolate Thunder will refrain from tagging any building, cemetery, street, or structural entity otherwise within a three block radius of Southall Mansion, you have my word. Also, we have no quarrel with WHYTRY, Zhempz was just disrespecting the Chocolate Thunder and required punishment, but thank you for your concern. We sincerely hope the Philosophe Knights and the Chocolate Thunder will continue to coexist without altercations as long as they occupy Malton together. --Alevins 22:10, 28 June 2009 (BST)

• Unfortunately, we have had a rather serious run-in with WHYTRY. They invaded The Chocolate Thunder's place of residence and slaughtered all of those sleeping there, to my knowledge. While I do not expect any reciprocal action on the part of the Philosophe Knights, I am simply alerting you of the current situation, as you seemed to have expressed interest in the WHYTRY predicament. --Alevins 01:04, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Recruitment Notice

An advert for Chivalrous Sophists (from whose talk page I have been redirected) located at Chivalrous Sophists/Recruitment currently has a timestamp more than two months old. Please update it or the advert will be removed in two weeks. --  RoosterDragon  18:57, 29 June 2009 (BST)

Thank you for informing us. The timestamp has been updated. -LE^t

Accused of Ignorance

Hello Philosophes. I have until very recently been a fan of your work, and generally supportive of your cause. One of your newer members however accused and punished me for the crime of ignorance, a crime of which I believe myself to be innocent. If Isaac Grey could provide proof of my ignorance so that it might be remedied, I would be appreciative. If he cannot provide this proof, the removal of my name from your kill list, along with the correction of the capitalization error in Mr. Grey's profile and the replacement of the bounty link on his wiki page to his own Rogues Gallery page, instead of Noc II's, will suffice as apology. Thank you. --Bunkhumper

Dear Sir, I am pleased to inform you that IG will not be asked to provide you with an apology. Your punishment was in good judgement.

Why? You are a Death Cultist, belonging to a horde which, even now, is targeting Schools. To kill for the sake of eradicating life is a crime against Knowledge in itself. To specifically target Centers of Learning is unforgivable. Should any of those who wear the mask find you again, have no doubt that you will be returned to your preferred state of death. Your name will remain on our kill list, and perhaps the list of those who executed you shall grow, or perhaps the names of your colleagues will join your own. Your current leader ought to have his name there, but it seems that SN is lax when updating our list.

However, we shall ask our members to be wary of capitalization errors, as well as make sure they have the correct links of their wiki pages. Thank you for alerting us to this.

Consider your ignorant actions and the foolishness which is prevalent in so-called "Barhah". It is folly, and those who dedicate their existances to it are doomed to failure. Praise Knowledge. --DT^PK 16:34, 30 June 2009 (BST)

First I'll note that I didn't ask for an apology, I asked for an explanation of my ignorance, or three acts that would suffice as an apology. Second, the staements regarding BARHAH are beyond the scope of this argument.

Your explanation sounds like a cop-out to me. The crime I was accused of was ignorance, not bad allegiances. If Mr. Grey was exacting a punishment for a faction crime, he should have specified that as the reason instead of citing ignorance. His given reason alone leads me to believe that his actions were not motivated as you described, but for some non-existent infraction he perceived. If you feel he is unqualified to explain his own motivations in this instance, I can only hope that you will encourage him to be more precise in his future sentencing. --Bunkhumper 14:55, 1 July 2009 (BST)

First I would like to thank you for remaining so civil. At this point many people begin accusing us of being Pseudo-Intellectual Morons, or tell us that we ought to kill ourselves for Ignorance.

And, yes, I noticed that you asked for proof of Ignorance, and in absence of that, you wanted a few things to be done in atonement. IG is welcome to add his own specific proof to my own, but I have already provided you with proof of Ignorance.

I find it interesting that you have examined our group and our policies well enough to know that Factional Crimes are different from Individual Crimes, yet you have not realized that Mass Ignorance means that every member which is part of that group is Guilty of Ignorance, and may be executed in that manner. Additionally, were you a lone Death Cultist, running around killing people in order to help whatever ferals or roaming horde might be around, you would still be punished for Ignorance. As I mentioned above, killing people for the advancement of the so-called future of the dead is an Ignorant act.

If you are expecting me to show you a screenshot of you committing an act of Ignorance, I can do that as well. For example, you kill people who live in Ridleybank.

Additionally, I respectfully disagree with you when you say that the concept of Barhah is not relevant in this discussion. --DT^PK 22:04, 1 July 2009 (BST)

A little heads up

I do not consider myself being a Philosophe Knight anymore, so if you would be so kind to remove me from your member page (i am X the squire) - rotticus 14:17, 28 September 2009 (BST)

Consider yourself removed. -Ov 29 September 2009

Due to the fact that someone reinvited me into Philosophes (DT, check my talk page) i'd just like to ask from you folks to reactivate my account on your forums, username is Rotticus, as always. - rotticus 01:09, 15 October 2009 (BST)

Question:

What would you do to a zombie who breaks down the barricades of a library and says "Mrh"? John Ibans 05:15, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Post script: The two major schools of thought on the mind are monism and dualism. Monism states that either the mind or the body exists, but not both, and dualism states that both exist, but varying people disagree on exactly what controls which, and to what extent. What are your thoughts on the mind/body problem framed as such? I would consider myself primarially materalistic, I think the mind is simply an expression created to explain the fact that humans have a higher neural processing power, and does not exist as anything aside from an explanation. I look forward to whoever answers both questions. John Ibans 06:13, 3 October 2009 (BST)

In regards to the Zombie: Much would depend on the style of play of the Knight in question. Personally, I would check for Rot (if present, the answer is Headshot), then research any group affiliations (if an enemy or Ignorant, the same answer as before: Headshot). If all seems to indicate a survivor seekeing a revive to continue assisting the survivor cause, I would revive them. If the zombie in question turned out to have used a Center of Learning for nefarious purposes, I would hunt and 'educate' them repeatedly in both their breathing and unbreathing forms. This answer, of course, is under the assumption that I have syringes with me. As for your desired philosophical debate, I would suggest visiting our forums, where many Knights will give answers and opinions. As your statement is based on the views of Western cultures, ignoring what is often called continental philosophy, I would like to see more than just my opinion given in response. Have a good day and Praise Knowledge! Ov October 07, 2009

Caiger Mall

I must commend you on your efforts there, despite being on the other side of the conflict. Good job to all of you PKers currently out there. I've read most of the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Machiavelli, Plato and other more or less known philosophers. I've followed your group for some time, I like what you do despite not agreeing with the methods you use. Stupidity and ignorance are in the very least annoying. So I see you as a sort of "minimum IQ enforcer", which is all good in my book in a some kind of wicked way ;). Lately, however it is disappointing - your members kill smart, useful survivors. Definitely not the sort you guys would hunt. I've also seen your members kill in the library one south from SE corner of Caiger (which as far as I know of your policies, is forbidden place to kill). Don't ask me for proof - I am not here to whine nor I pay normally attention to PKers in general. So I was just wondering what alleviates you nowadays from regular PKers that kill for fun? Like I said, I am not here to throw accusations, just have a little civil chat, say hi and that's it.

At any rate with the ferals, Pkers and likely MoB coming to Darvall Heights, we are probably going to lose the battle. But I must say it's a nice diversity to be fighting humans as well as zombies the same time.

Best regards from the SoC,

Cortonna or DarthRevan 07:32, 5 October 2009 (BST)

Salutations Cortonna, I agree with you that it has been a blast fighting against the citizens of the Caiger Mall & it's good to know that our efforts to "educate" the population of Malton has not been lost on those such as yourself. Although I take issue with the idea that we are only a group of "minimum IQ enforcers", I'll drop that for now. We're sorry you feel disappointed in our choices of late on who & who not to punish. But I would be willing to bet that you have only seen a small portion of those we've dealt with as of late. Many of those slain by our Order recently would be worthy of your condemnation I can assure you. As for the possible killings that took place in a Center of Learning. I can not personally attest to whether that did or did not happen because I was not witness to it nor was I involved in such a slaying. But, should a known enemy be found within the walls of a COL we will attack. The COL Policy clearly states this as shown below.

	Centers Of Learning Policy Supporter
	This user or group supports the Centers of Learning Policy & acknowledges that all libraries, schools, zoos, and museums in the city of Malton are considered safe places. No survivor in one of these locations may be killed for any reason unless that survivor is a specified enemy of this user or group.

The person you allegedly saw disciplined in the library could have been killed because they executed a member of our Order, hindered our actions in some way or another in the past or slandered our causes at one time or another.

I hope that answers your questions completely. As always, Praise Knowledge. --Sir WV 05:20, 6 October 2009 (BST)

Thank you for the civil responce, it answers all my questions completely. Well I don't think of you as only "minimum IQ enforcers" although that's one aspect about you that I like. At any rate your efforts and that of the ferals have payed off and Caiger has fallen. I don't know your future plans so if you achieved your goal and are moving away I wish you farewell and good luck in enlightening Malton. If not and you stay, then we shall probably meet on the battlefield. While your group is technically an enemy of the SoC since your agenda currently helps to distabilize a region we seek to restore and reestablish, it's always nice to know that your enemy has the ability to talk maturely and politely. Unfortunately some of our enemies lack in that department. I wish you good hunting, hopefully we will meet again with your group and perhaps personally with you in game Sir WV.

Sincerely,

Cortonna DarthRevan 07:38, 6 October 2009 (BST)

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Praise Knowledge! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:43, 6 October 2009 (BST)

This is not, in fact, a page which relates to the Group as a whole. It belongs to Blessed R, one of our members, as it is his out-of-date kill-list. --DT^PK 02:30, 8 October 2009 (BST)

Thanks DT. I'll contact him, in the meantime Philosophe Knights/Recruitment also needs linking. Apparently inclusions don't count! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:27, 14 October 2009 (BST)

Hello my old friends

I just thought I would stop by to let you know I was PK'ed by one of your members today.[1]

As you most likely know I Roland do not take kindly to this sort of thing.

I have ran into many a Knight in the past few months and harmed no one. My days with the FoD are over and have been for some time.

DT are you still around old man!? hehe

Take care Knights

--Roland 01:52, 23 October 2009 (BST)

It probably won't happen again, Puki, you young scamp. Pardon our zeal, and Praise Knowledge! --DT^PK 02:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

To whom it may concern

Recently I found myself killed by a member of yours, Vigilis (http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=981082). A screen capture of the event can be found at http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9973/vigilis.png. I simply ask what crime I have committed, that has warranted such a response. I am on no PK lists (either to be, or as), and cannot think of an act of ignorance that I have committed, other than ignorance as to why I have been killed.

Yours, Captain Neil Johnson

Citizen, you, along with the other occupants of Nichols Mall and greater Stanbury Village, have been found guilty of the crime of ignorance. Ignorance is the swamp of shadow through which all humankind must wade, and each one of us make do battle with this darkness continually or sink beneath the surface. It is no act for which you have been killed, but the act you have not made. Go out, forget for a moment about the trivialities of survival, and return from death not to the mall, but to the forgotten doors of a library, or the decayed halls of a museum. Study, learn, and remember the guttering light of curiosity that still flutters in the candle of your soul. We are not here to punish, but to teach — to teach man to teach himself. CITIZEN VI 16:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Poignant, but that doesn't actually answer my questions, unless you think that the presence in a mall is enough to posit ignorance... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captain Neil Johnson (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Dude, have you ever been to a mall? Come on. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 17:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The group you command, Malton Special Forces, proclaims an intolerant stance towards Player Killing. This makes you a potential threat and is reason enough for execution. Presence in a mall during a time when the Order is actively prowling the Village is also enough to posit ignorance; If you were passing through or restocking, you simply had the misfortune of getting caught in our frag pattern. --Henry Baltimore 14:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Impostors!

How dare you impersonate the Phoolosphy Kneets? I demand recompense. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Who fixed that link? How dare you undo my incompetence? I demand recardiganse --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:P .--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you complaining about our membership slaughtering your membership, Karl? No? Well then, sir, I see no reason for you to be sending us messages here. I distinctly recall giving specific instructions as to the circumstances of your continued correspondence.

As to allegations of fraud and impersonation of the ancient sect of Phoolosophic Kneetism, we release no comment.

As to charges of mass murder, conspiracy to overthrow existing governing bodies, theft of government and private property, four counts of torture, serial competence, and one count of littering: No Comment. --DT^PK 21:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Aha! I didn't see that. >.> --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010

	Group Confirmed.
	This group was confirmed active. Thank you for your reply.

Periodically, groups are checked for activity in order to clean the inactive groups from the suburb pages. We'd appreciate it if you could confirm your activity in the game. —Aichon— 23:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, and given that I'm a member as well, I'll go ahead and confirm for us too. IV ^PK 23:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Simply inquiring...

Specifically about why I was killed here, minding my own business by one of your people. Generally I expect citizens of knowledge such as yourselves to sufficiently explain why they are plotting to kill me. It's what separates us from people like WHYTRY, who PK without a cause. Apparently at one time or another I must have insulted PlumNoir; however, he/she must hold quite a grudge! Because I surely do not rememeber ever coming in contact with him/her. Nonetheless, I believe an explanation (more sufficient than a random number and a *sigh*) would clear up this mirky coincedence of conflicts of interest. --Alevins 23:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The truth is, an explanation should have been given. The error is not corrected unless the way is shown. Knowledge is not imparted through action alone - the ignorant do not learn through forneart agus forneart aonarach. The key to wisdom lies in the word, sa an fhocal. Personal contact leis an Ridire Fealsúnacht should yield results. Approach the forum and lodge an inquiry therein. 01:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

An explanation was given, from what I see. After a little digging, I have discovered that his profile, which he seems to have forgotten serves as one aspect of his identity, currently reads as, "Madness? THIS, IS, MALTON!!! *kicks you pretty dang hard in the chest*". While I am not a fan of the source material, even I can recognize from where he has derived such a quote. How then does he, as the author of his own profile, fail to grasp the connection between the "random number" and the description he wrote? Ignorance heaped upon ignorance. The death seems warranted. IV ^PK 06:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. It seems as if I had forgotten my own profile description. Regardless, should I find Plumenoir again, I'm sure I can conjure some equally ridiculous justification to murder without purpose as did he. Perhaps his black hair and dark eyes offend me! He's obviously not an Aryan, and therefore is deserving of punishment (i.e. death). I suppose that is the sort of reasoning that allows higher-level thinkers such as the PKs to fall to the level of plumenoir. But then again, I guess you cannot really expect a member of the 'cheap ass survivors' to be that respectable, can you? I'm surprised you even tolerate him. People do not expect someone such as myself to uphold a sort of moral standard or really have a reason for doing anything, but when you're a member of the Philosophe Knights one tends to imagine that you're something special, someone who is "better," should I say, than the average citizen. I suppose this is not true in every case, as has been so utterly proven to me. --Alevins 07:25, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Forgive me, as I have been away for a while and did not see this. Yes, Alevins, I agree that I should have been clearer in my explanation (in that continuing overused memes benefits no one); I hereby apologize for not explaining it further. As far as being a member of C.A.S. - everyone begins in darkness before discovering light; it was there I was introduced to the Knights. I was going to concede that I had, indeed, overreacted. I changed my mind upon reading the Aryan comments. I acknowledge your chagrin, but after reading this, feel my judgement was not in error. PlumeNoir 02:09, 3 October 2010 (BST)

Hello, fellow scholars.

While we only kill other survivors if absolutely necessary, we at The Survivor's Republic do understand and agree with your belief that knowledge is precious. We also agree that the Department of Emergency Management is nothing but a bunch of vile and idiotic liars and buffoons. As such, we were wondering if perhaps you would like to form a diplomatic agreement of sorts with our groups. My sincerest apologies if I sounded pretentious or unwittingly insulted anyone.--Sean Connolly 06:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Krinks

Hi Philosophe,
As you know, conflicts end in either a victory of one side, or the destruction of both, (or they do not end, but grind to a temporary halt, after which they will erupt again).
Regarding your plan to exterminate the battle of Krinks, might I present you a dilemma:
If you go the easy road you will move in to Krinks and kill all. With that you will not kill all sides, but you will be the lever that will bring victory to the NSU, who are currently hiding, an have actually already lost.
If you are planning to use a 'steamroller tactic', you will only kill people on the side who defend Krinks against the NSU. If you are serious about squashing this, you will hunt down the NSU as vigorously as you will come in and ravage the place we call home.
However, if you do this, and squash both sides, you will only create a clean slate on which the NSU can renew their claims, and start the battle anew.
You have glanced over the 'debate' between the NSU and the others. The NSU has a weak, uneducated and -to be frank- ignorant way of practicing rhetoric. They have lost the battle of arguments, and they have lost the battle of force as well. Therefor, your actions to educate Krinks will mean the renewal of something that had already finished.
Your actions will in all likelihood mean that a conflict in which one side was utterly defeated, will be brought back to life. The unintended consequences need to be thought through before action is taken.
Dialectically yours, --zyckde 07:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Is this really a I fight you want to have?

--Martino 22:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Martino I suggest you never post that image on this wiki page ever again. I dislike Nazi's, Zergs and Drama Queens so don't force yourself to the top of the list.--Rapture 23:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

It is not a question of drama queen. It was just to remind that this can look just a inconsequential computer game. But the fact is that behind the NSU group is a real person who actually supports nazi ideals. And in real life nazi ideals lead to that. You can close your eyes, pretend to be very disgusted by the images, pretend you don't know. But the thing is: this happened, you cannot look away, you cannot pretend it didn't happen. That would be a major crime against historical knowledge. Or your "Praise knowledge" is just words? So let us kill the nazi and then we'll go away. Our job is difficult already. But necessary. --Martino 14:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Do not be so arrogant and highly ignorant to assume you know anything about my ideals and goals. Do not be so ignorant to assume that you are the only group that has taken conflict against Nazi groups. For your ignorance you will be treated as all others.--Rapture 20:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Philistine Knaves, In a previous message a scenario on the effect of your action in the Krinks was presented. It boiled down to this:
1. You would come to Krinks, kill all.
2. This would disturb the power balance in the conflict between the nazi NSU and the defenders of Krinks Power Station.
3. Following the decimation of the survivors in Krinks, the nazi NSU would take over, and you would have played the role of battering ram for the nazi NSU.

What has happened so far? You have killed four, and maybe five survivors of Krinks. The defenses of the plant are down. You accomplished for the NSU what they would never have managed on their own. It took the NSU more than two weeks to kill four of us. After being utterly defeated the NSU have suddenly regained momentum.
As Philosophes you understand there is no such thing as neutrality. Your praxis has been one of leveling the playing field. In effect this meant destroying the defending coalition, and aiding the nazi NSU. Even if you kill the nazi once, the damage done to the defenders has been far greater. The NSU has no gennies to refuel, barricades to rebuild, friends to heal, transmitters to repair. He just gets up and continues his killing spree.
I ask you to divert your attention, and not take the easy road of only killing sitting ducks, as you have done so far. --zyckde 19:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Krinks

EVIL is interested in working with the Philosophe Knights to help end this conflict. Is there anyway that we could work with you in this? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 23:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

/* The 21st of March 2010 */

Philistines,

As you can see in the page on the Battle of Krinks, the NSU has claimed victory. From beginning to end, my prediction on the consequences of your actions have come true. I wonder who is the ignorant and uneducated one here. Making an analysis of the balance of forces is not too difficult, but apparently too much for your "Philosophe" brains to handle.

That you were able to bring victory to the NSU on this symbolic date is especially disturbing. I am sure you did this in good faith, which makes it even worse than when you had done it on purpose.

Sarcastically yours,

--zyckde 20:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

The supposed victor in your squabble does not concern us. The debacle itself is the ignorance we have quashed, a petty dispute with more squawktalking than action. Proscribing a motive beyond the silencing of a chorus of chirps is folly. The truly educated should be familiar with the doctrine of scorched earth, a strategem used by men of greater stature than yourself to defeat actual Nazis. That we should intervene and raze a contested structure to the ground should be a blessing to you, an echo of a genuine conflict between better soldiers than yourselves. Praise knowledge. 20:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

It is spelled stratagem. You scorched it for the NSU. The PKs did not even touch a member of the NSU once. We're not soldiers, merely civilians maintaining a power station. I now understand why you need to praise knowledge so much. Like in every religion an unreachable object is praised. For you knowledge is unreachable. --zyckde 21:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

You were like children bawling and waving your fists over a ball. We took it and placed it on the top of a garbage can. You can take it back when you want, hopefully without whining. I regret to see you have not gained any wisdom from this event. Instead of recognizing your own seething ignorance and moving on, you have chosen to... continue balling your fists and whining. John Ibans 21:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

As Nietzsche would explain, men of greater stature can surpass the need for shackles such as those with which you constrain yourself. That you seek to fetter us as yourself merely indicates the extent of your ignorance. Whether one side or the other "wins" is no concern of ours. That said, I can assure you, we did not scorch it for the the benefit of one side or the other, but rather for the benefit of all. Your failure to recognize the freedom and release we have offered you is somewhat disturbing. IV ^PK 21:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Nietzsche? Really? You were the ones who entered the petty "battle" and announced to do so as a 'third party'. One of your group even engaged in a childish editing war in the wiki. You did not just come down to cornhoolio's level, but your wiki-editing behavior went far below that. After that other members of your group thought it would be a good idea to arbiter in that case. Is that the wisdom that you spread, the freedom of shackles that you bring? You choose not to be above cornhoolio, but choose to play his game of "battles", "war declarations" and other futile notions such as "honor". Yes, indeed, Krinks can now easily be reclaimed, and we'll be back at the situation before you came in. The Philosophes have merely pressed a pause button in human history. The only whining and balling of fists I see is done by the ignorant fools who keep responding to me. --zyckde 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I see that there is little point in reasoning, as a gentlemen would, with one such as yourself, and I refuse to respond to vitriolic comments in kind, which leaves me little choice but to excuse myself from further communication with you on this matter. However, I would like to suggest that you ensure the veracity of your claims before making them, lest your word become meaningless. A quick glance through our records indicates that we have recorded kills against cornhoolio. Best wishes. IV ^PK 02:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Applicant Unable to Log on to your forums

Chris Forelle here. Unfortunately, I'm currently unable to log on to your forums. I type in the correct visitors username and password and it tells me that the password is incorrect or that the account is inactive. Thanking you for your help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChrisForelle (talk • contribs) 15:44, 24 March 2010 (UTC).

It's not working for me either. I think someone must have changed the password on "The Visitor". - Cam moo 00:29, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Le Sigh ! I'll take a look --Rapture 01:26, 1 April 2010 (BST)

I had hoped to apply but find myself prevented by the same problem. Cjdk 05:53, 5 April 2010 (BST)

Fixed courtesy of one of the senior knights -Devorac 01:05, 7 April 2010 (BST)

Hello, may I come in and have a quick chat with you?

The earlier owner of this wiki account, Sean Franco Connolly, may have commented here before, but he is dead now. As it turns out, gunshots to the stomache are not well beholden by the human body. In his will he stated that among other things, I have inherited his Urban Dead account.
Your group intrigues me. It intrigues the other members of my family as well. You see, I come from a family that enjoys literature, the sciences, and the development and sharing of knowledge in general. While I have recently joined the CAPD, a group your group has voiced negative opinions about, and I have yet to form an opinion, whether positive or negative, about PKing in the name of knowledge, I like your style.
I also have a question to ask of you. If I happen to come to the decision that I wish to join your group, may I, or barring that, may I have grace in your prescence, that I am not killed by one of your noble masqueraders?
Please answer as soon as possible, as I have yet to fully develop a more noble sense of patience, and my mind may move on to other things.--Sean Connolly 08:33, 8 April 2010 (BST)

Since I am unsure how to even answer that question, I will answer with this. Maybe. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 09:42, 8 April 2010 (BST)

Generally speaking, the answer to your last question would be "no", however, exceptions have been made in the past, and I do not speak on behalf of any leadership. As for joining the group, you would need to go through the usual procedures as outlined elsewhere. You can start the application by visiting our front door. IV ^PK 11:05, 8 April 2010 (BST)

OOC Ideology: Conclusion/Observation II

Hi, folks. I was just reading your page out of curiosity. I guess I'll be daring and attract a reticle, but should 'Conclusion 2' and 'Observation 2' not trade places in your OOC Ideology list? The conclusion looks like a logical response to the observation in question, at any rate.

And somehow I get the impression I probably just walked into an in-joke that will get me killed.

(Either way, you're welcome to remove this comment to keep your talk page clean!)

-pinkgothic 20:35, 19 May 2010 (BST)

Observation 2 is unrelated to Conclusion 2, in particular as it deals with non-ignorant targets, while Observation 2 makes reference to the identification of ignorant individuals. It is a mere annotation to the main argument, whereas Conclusion 2 offers an immediate alternate solution to the central problem. We thank you, however, for your concern. CITIZEN VI 19:18, 25 May 2010 (BST)