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Aichon

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Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Please be aware of the following guidelines before posting here.

• New conversations should be started at the bottom using a level two header (e.g. ==Header==). Or with the +
• I like to keep conversations wherever they start, but if a conversation ends up here, I will keep it here.
• I will format comments for stylistic reasons, delete comments for whatever reason, and generally do anything else within reason.

Thanks. —Aichon—

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I accidentally did something to the suggestion portal and don't know how to fix it :X -.- 03:57, 4 May 2013 (BST)

Looks like you got it sorted out. Long story short, don't edit the line that says you should edit below that line. It looks like you were replacing (perhaps automatically via some sort of automatic text replacement?) the "--" with a "—" in that line. Since that line is an HTML comment, removing the -- caused it to behave as if the comment never ended, meaning that the rest of the page was treated as being in the HTML comment. I.e. It was hidden from view. —Aichon— 10:32, 4 May 2013 (BST)

If in doubt, revert or undo will usually fix all but the most egregious of fuck-ups. One of the best features of a wiki. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:10, 4 May 2013 (BST)

Also, that's why you should always preview your changes first, rather than saving immediately. —Aichon— 16:33, 4 May 2013 (BST)

My suggestion

i just wanted to know if i could re-add my Radio Recognition suggestion to the voting section? PayneTrain^(NWO/FU) 17:27, 4 May 2013 (BST)

My previous answer to this question still applies. :P —Aichon— 17:41, 4 May 2013 (BST)

I don't remember asking this to you before...hmmm....thanks anyway for then and nowPayneTrain^(NWO/FU) 18:13, 4 May 2013 (BST)

No prob. :) —Aichon— 04:21, 5 May 2013 (BST)

Suggestions

I just wanna know if that one guy can add his suggestion again. 01:37, 6 May 2013 (BST)

Third time's the charm, amirite? —Aichon— 01:40, 6 May 2013 (BST)

Question

Can I place a question I have about suggestions here? 01:45, 6 May 2013 (BST)

Only once. —Aichon— 05:06, 6 May 2013 (BST)

Protecting cycled suggestions

Do you want to share any amount of copper money on Ross' RE, or should I take it to the new crat tomorrow? -- Spiderzed█ 18:28, 10 May 2013 (BST)

Best that you handle it, since I'm on the way out the door of Bureaucracy. —Aichon— 18:37, 10 May 2013 (BST)

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aichon. i would like to discuss with you. please go to here. tinyurl.com/pggchat. i wait for you! --Anja Arnheim 00:20, 13 May 2013 (BST)

For posterity, the issue was a minor one with image caching that was pretty easily addressed. Also, tinyurl.com/pggchat is just a link to Mibbit for #PGG on the NexusWar IRC, for everyone else's reference. —Aichon— 00:48, 13 May 2013 (BST)

Something else

Edit my talk whenever you're about. --Rosslessness 16:56, 21 May 2013 (BST)

I responded to your e-mail a second time with more information, since we keep missing each other. —Aichon— 21:02, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Random selection

Hi, you wouldn't happen to know how I could make a template select a random item from a list every day, would you? PB&J 20:24, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Random? No. A different one each day in a cycle? Quite possible. We do something like that with {{SimpleFACycle}} for the Featured Articles on the main page of the wiki, though it changes them out weekly, rather than daily, and you have to set up the cycle in advance. —Aichon— 21:01, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Well, a preset cycle should be quite enough, and I think weekly should be sufficient for my purposes. Thanks, I'll look into it! PB&J 21:06, 22 May 2013 (BST)

You can modify that weekly one to be daily by just swapping out the weekly magic word at the top for a daily one. —Aichon— 21:07, 22 May 2013 (BST)

I know, but contrary to the first thing I set up on the wiki, I'm going to try and keep the scale of this project manageable... for now. PB&J 21:10, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Sorry for bothering you again, but I've been out of wiki-editing for longer than I care to admit: how do I pull info like status, comment, etc. from the building statuses again? PB&J 21:51, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Basically, you make your own template to grab the parts you want. For instance, you should check the code for {{TRP Status}} to see how it grabs each of the variables it uses from a danger report in order to do something like this: ▋ The Latrobe Building (21,28)

Note that you're actually including the danger report itself, but that you pass it the template you want it to use as a variable. Rather convoluted, but I believe it's the only way to grab the information one piece at a time, so I'm glad it exists. —Aichon— 22:33, 22 May 2013 (BST)

Awesome, thanks! Question number 3: can I sepparate a user's name and date from his signature, when pulling that info from a sitrep? PB&J 19:53, 23 May 2013 (BST)

Not that I'm aware of, since we lack any of the parser extensions on this wiki. I'm also unaware of any way to merely grab the date that the page was edited, in case you were thinking along those lines. —Aichon— 20:07, 23 May 2013 (BST)

Hmmm, that makes my idea a bit less attractive than I had hoped. PB&J 20:12, 23 May 2013 (BST)

Actually, I'll take that back. Look over some of the relevant magic words and see if any of them might work for you. —Aichon— 20:19, 23 May 2013 (BST)

One of the revision-tags could do the trick. And I can just minimize the {{{user}}}, which should be ok. Thanks, you once again prove that you're a great help, be it with a giant map or a simple idea :) PB&J 20:24, 23 May 2013 (BST)

I see where you're going with it, and sadly I have to inform you that the revision tags will always give you the revision date of the page (or template) it displayed on. I tried a similar project once, and ran into the same problem. ~ _{21:14, 23 May 2013 (UTC)}

What if I define the tag "date" in the sitrep template, like the name, comment and user are defined?

For whom it may concern: this is a first step towards a new template and page for all suburbs. PB&J 21:33, 23 May 2013 (BST)

Yeah if I remeber correctly, I tried that on on danger report template and it still displayed the wrong date when transcluded. Plus, ya 10,000 Danger Report templates. ~ _{21:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)}

You might be able to do something like have sub{{sometemplate that has "st:{{REVISIONDATE}}" in it}} in order to effectively subst the REVISIONDATE in order to get the date of a particular template in the chain of templates. We've done similar stuff to allow automatic signatures with templates, as I recall. —Aichon— 22:05, 23 May 2013 (BST)

@Vapor: Why don't the Danger Reports use one template for their content? Also, there are "only" about 5 000, since streets and other empty lots don't have one ;) PB&J 15:25, 25 May 2013 (BST)

Well the User:DangerReport pages technically are the templates. That's where the data for each location block is stored, and then various other templates are used to pull and display the data in different ways. Aichon's suggestion is a nifty little trick and it's possible that could work I think. The trick would be adding a variable to all of the location block pages with revision date magic words subst'd in using Aichon's trick. Then it's just a simple matter of creating one template that pulls that data. ~ _{17:54, 25 May 2013 (UTC)}

To be honest, I'm not convinced at all that my idea would work, since subst-ing works with some strange rules, as I recall. But it's the only idea I had to do this sort of thing. If it doesn't work, I'd have absolutely no idea at all, other than having people separately sign and date each of their edits to the danger reports. —Aichon— 18:42, 25 May 2013 (BST)

Even if it was doable in a reasonable manner why would you want to ever transclude a single template big enough to hold all the suburbs on every page to only call a 100th or 10,000th of the template's content. That's just irresponsible really and would cause more issues than it could ever solve. Additionally I may be horribly misunderstanding what you guys are trying to do but if I can get an idea I could probably be useful in figuring out how to do it. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 19:46, 25 May 2013 (BST)

Well, I'm trying to develop some elements for the suburb pages to make them more appealing, and the idea behind this one would be to make sure that if you load a suburb page, it'll display different information than it did yesterday (or maybe even an hour ago). In this case: a rotating system (as described at the beginning of this thread with the FA-cycle) that displays the current situation of a certain building in the suburb with some additional flavor text and background information. In stead of just putting the danger reports themselves there, I was thinking along the lines of something like this:

Building Status Feed

Currently, Caiger Mall is in ruins. 
"All four corners are ruined and nothing living or undead can be spotted inside.", reported PB&J on 09:51, 26 May 2013 (BST). 
Caiger Mall is best known as the site of several big sieges. 

PB&J 09:51, 26 May 2013 (BST)

HARMANBARGARZ

Orison Flynt said "Oh, hey, Jackson! We actually just ran across each other on the wiki earlier today. Anyway, sorry, but I'd prefer to keep my brain while on this alt. And I'm a bit busy to engage in the activity you've suggested, I'm afraid. Raincheck?" (8 seconds ago)

You say "ARRRH!!!! MANBAG!"

Next time! --Jackson 5 06:00, 30 May 2013 (BST)

Until then. ;) —Aichon— 06:04, 30 May 2013 (BST)

Danger Map on BB4 page

What would that issue be exactly? The lag? PB&J 15:01, 31 May 2013 (BST)

These. Basically, by itself, something like the suburb level danger map is not particularly useful to most Bashers (particularly when it's presented without a key or context for understanding what it's supposed to represent), nor is it functional, nor is it aesthetically pleasing. I considered tweaking the custom barricade plan trick I did for the MOB Locator for use on the BB4 pages, but that involves having to c/p barricade plans for each suburb we visit, and I'm really trying to automate things as much as possible, so I decided against doing it. If we want to include the danger map for the suburb, I think we'll need new templates, frankly put, that can be clicked on to be edited, can have custom colors specified, will have building names present, and can be switched out automagically somehow. It's a lot to ask, but I'm actually giving some thought to how something like that might be possible, since I'd like to work them in if I can figure out a good way to do so. —Aichon— 15:13, 31 May 2013 (BST)

I've been thinking about uniting as many of the safety and status tools as possible (the radio broadcasts, danger reports, etc.) and I'm pretty sure we should start cleaning out the wiki a lot one of these days (especially when it comes to template calls).

To illustrate: User:DangerReport/The Blackmore Building has dozens of pages that link to it, and I'm pretty sure we could shorten that list quite a bit. It's an arduous task, I know, but it would be a rewarding one... PB&J 15:20, 31 May 2013 (BST)

Well met

Thank you very much for your input. I shall reply on [1] asap,for there is an entirely good reason for that exact specific edit.

please,if maybe you could either reply here or write on the Groups topic I've started on the talk page.

If you'd have the pleasure means and time in guiding me on my way of putting up a new group's page;I've been reading the guides here but they haven't been that helpful.

Also,I've noticed you have a character with the BB4.I did play a zombie character at first but due to the fact it has been revived while living the life of a zombie -haha,I let it be;was wondering if there might be any group I could join this zombie character of mine to the BB4 playing it completely independent of my survivor's char.

Thank you so much for stopping by and having your input.Hope in hearing from you soon.

Edit: have read almost anything there was to read on your page and some of the things that caught my attention where the 'image stamps' saying things like 'supports humor' and so on! Thus,pleased in meeting,well met. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Concerned'Citizen (talk • contribs) 01:42, 5 June 2013.

Regarding groups, what information are you looking for, exactly? I understand that you're trying to make one, but I'll need to know where to start if I'm to offer any advice or answer any questions. I've made a few group pages over the years (e.g. Soldiers of Crossman, Big Bash 3, and Big Bash 4 are all ones I made), so I at least have a little experience in this area. ;)

As for BB4, yup, you could say that I'm involved with it. If you'd like to join BB4, you are VERY welcome to do so. We welcome all zombies, new or old, and we'll even help feed your zombie so that he can earn some levels and skills. BB4 only lasts for a few months before it goes away (it's been three years since the last Big Bash), so I definitely would recommend joining it while it's around, since they don't happen often. Also, it's worth pointing out that BB4 is an event and that entire groups come to it as well, so we actually have The Nurglings joining BB4 as a group. If you like BB4 and like what you see of The Nurglings, you may want to look into joining them, since they're a newer zombie group that's making a name for themselves.

Otherwise, the traditional recommendations for zombies groups are the three remaining hordes: the Militant Order of Barhah, The Ridleybank Resistance Front, and the Feral Undead. The MOB tends to be very structured and focused on strike teams and efficiency (one of my other characters is in the MOB), the RRF is a bit more flexible and has everything from death cultists to strike teams and ferals, and FU tends to be more of a free-for-all with minimal leadership. All three of them are great groups, and you should go with whichever idea appeals to you the most, with MOB being super structured, FU being open-ended, and RRF being a bit more in-between.

There are a number of smaller groups as well, but I have less experience with them, I'm afraid. You may want to check the Groups page for ones that are recruiting. —Aichon— 02:13, 5 June 2013 (BST)

Most wonderful in reading.

This urban dead sure got exciting as of joining the wiki,which I strongly recommend to anyone out there who really wishes to have their game on,so to speak.

In regards to group would appreciate in being guided regarding : group page creation; how to load art,pictures,images videos; how to create a layout,something of a template with titles linking to new wiki pages opening up-which I've noticed on several wiki-user's pages.

For starters,would be just fine in being able to have a blank group's page adding group's name,description,purposes/goals and a neat banner on tops,though I don't do them-lacking the software for it as well as not being quite experienced with IT art-work.

As for groups,best suited for a zombie,in my own opinion,would be something such as the MOB.Where do I sign? :D Well,I should be able to get my zombie on,if he's still alive - haha (which I'm sure he is :D them rascals seem to NEVER die oO)

almost forgot to sign the article just now,haha :P um,here it goes Concerned'Citizen 04:37, 5 June 2013 (BST)

If you check the "toolbox" section on the left side of the page, you should see a link for Upload file. If you want to upload images, just click on it and then follow the instructions. I'm afraid we can't upload videos or audio files to this wiki, however. Just images.

As for a layout, you'll mostly have to do that on your own, or else find someone who is willing to do it for you, since there aren't templates or other resources that you can use. One idea you might try is to find pages that you like and then look at their code to see how they did it (I would not suggest starting with the group pages I created that I linked, since the code for them is rather complex). Regarding the "template with titles linking to new wiki pages", could you point me to an example? I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean.

Anyway, you'll have to figure out how to make your own banner, since I'm not very good with images either, but for making a page, all you need to do is go to the page and then start editing. For instance, you could create a group at Lorem Ipsum by following that link and merely editing the page. You can easily add in the information you've talked about, such as their name, description, goals, etc.. You may also want to look at the {{Groupbox}} template, since many wiki novices use it to get that information onto their group page quickly and easily.

Finally, for applying to MOB, you'll need to sign up for an account on barhah.com and follow the instructions in this message board topic. You may also want to look over the MOB page here on the wiki, as well as the MOB Locator page. —Aichon— 05:01, 5 June 2013 (BST)

Much appreciated.

I've made an account with the Barhah Dot Com since of yesterday after reading around the wiki and wishing to join BB4 as a zombie novice.

Have not received a confirmation e-mail;though I haven't got to checking my e-mail as of yesterday.

The wiki and all the information coming my way on reading is keeping my undivided attention here.

regarding the layout and functionality of links: having a template showing contents; clicking on a title would open up a new page which may contain further data. Hope that I managed to explain this well.

Example : Template - A B C D E F G ... etc. Clicking on either would open up a new page which could have any data there.

That would be it.

Concerned'Citizen

Just make each of A B C D E F G into links to pages (typically you'll want to make them subpages of your group, like Lorem Ipsum/Members or Lorem Ipsum/Recruitment), then create those pages by simply editing them. That's actually how pretty much anything around here works. People just make links to pages that don't yet exist, click the links, and then make the page there. —Aichon— 08:42, 5 June 2013 (BST)

Suburb Danger Reports

Taking my time.

It sure is a job in reading,searching,updating.

Especially reading.

As for updating the danger levels of suburbs it's clear that survivors could sure use an update on the info.

That is,in case they are interested and watching the wiki,which specifies danger levels.

a little something started to work on

safe - Break-ins rare, max 50 zombies in suburb and no zombie groups above 10. moderately dangerous - Active zombies and break-ins, but no 50+ hostile hordes.

It is fairly outdated,don't you think? Reporting a suburb as 'moderately dangerous' may be too late if you take the above ad literam.

Reason being,several mobs of around 9 zombies may be moving about,just an example; and consider there are 8 cardinal points they may close in to a building.

Let's say that only 4 groups of 9 zombies each will target a building coming from the major cardinal points en route for their target.

In this case,the danger levels of each suburb may always be set as Safe until it'd be too late ...

This here danger report system "" Available 'Danger' statuses:

safe - Break-ins rare, max 50 zombies in suburb and no zombie groups above 10.

moderately dangerous - Active zombies and break-ins, but no 50+ hostile hordes.

dangerous - Zombies inside many resource buildings; OR hostile mobs of 50+.

very dangerous - Most buildings wide open or zombie-infested; OR hostile zombie mobs of 150+.

a ghost town - At least 2/3 of the suburb's buildings either empty of Survivors or Ransacked/Ruined AND max 60 zombies in suburb and no zombie groups above 10. ""

greatly advantages the zombies from any perspective anyone would look at it.

In that case,what play does the concepts of 'balance' and fair play stand? Concerned'Citizen 06:11, 5 June 2013 (BST)

Talking about your example, if those zombies are all in the suburb, then there would be 72 zombies in the suburb, which would mean it'd be classified as Moderately Dangerous or Dangerous anyway. And if they're coming from out of the suburb, then the suburb is safe until they arrive, which makes sense, since the danger isn't there yet. Seems like it's working to me. ;)

There is some leeway in the system, as well as some gray areas, but generally speaking, the easiest way to check is to go through the suburb and look for zombies gathered at resource points. If you see 10+ zombies gathering outside of a resource point, then it's probably time to call the suburb Moderately Dangerous. Also, when you're counting zombies that are roaming around, make sure you ignore the ones at revive points, since those are really survivors, not zombies, at least as far as we're concerned.

And, I don't really see how it provides an advantage to anyone, since it's simple fact reporting. Granted, the system was written back in the day when the game had quite a few more players in it, so the numbers may be larger than what makes sense for the game's current population, but that's a separate topic of discussion (and I believe it's been discussed to death elsewhere), and I am not someone who can change it all by myself. I'm simply the guy policing it at this moment. :P

Also, having suburbs incorrectly labeled as Safe is actually a disadvantage for zombies, not an advantage, since the worst thing that can happen to a horde is that they arrive expecting a buffet of food, only to find out that the suburb is actually in worse condition than the wiki said and that there's almost no one there to eat. All of the zombie leaders I've talked to over the years prefer that the map be accurate (or red, since it makes them look good), rather than green. —Aichon— 06:49, 5 June 2013 (BST)

Date format

DD-MM-YYYY being mistaken for MM-DD-YYYY could easily as well happen for YYYY-MM-DD and YYYY-DD-MM. Besides, there is only country in the world stupid enough for not maintaining an orderly format. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:51, 5 June 2013 (BST)