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Aichon

ˈīˌkän :Talk

Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Please be aware of the following guidelines before posting here.

• New conversations should be started at the bottom using a level two header (e.g. ==Header==). Or with the +
• I like to keep conversations wherever they start, but if a conversation ends up here, I will keep it here.
• I will format comments for stylistic reasons, delete comments for whatever reason, and generally do anything else within reason.

Thanks. —Aichon—

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Sorry

It’s been a very long time since I’ve edited the wiki - I’m real sorry! I’m very appreciative of anything you can fix up regarding our ad. Cheers, Jim —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim Extreme (talk • contribs) 20:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

No need to apologize, and it wasn't a problem in the least! I'm just glad I was able to catch you and that we were able to get it worked out quickly. If you have any trouble getting back into the swing of things on the wiki, feel free to poke me for anything that might come up. —Aichon— 20:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Hiatus

Take care, Mr. Aichon (Acorn). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:54, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

That is really terrible news. Take your time. -- Spiderzed▋ 15:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Hope all is okay. A ZOMBIE ANT 01:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. Yeah, something happened on the 9^th and I wasn't sure what impact it would have on us, hence my use of the Sysop Hiatus template. I'm afraid it's not all okay, but we'll be okay. Life is slowly returning back to normal. —Aichon— 17:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Recruitment category

Hey, glad to see you're still active. However, for some reason I missed my deadline on updating my recruitment ad. I did but now seeing what's posted I'm not sure how to paste it back up. Halp ! --Murderess (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

It's back up. For future reference, here's the diff so that you can see what needs changing. :) —Aichon— 23:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you !! --Murderess (talk) 00:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

A user after being told to knock off vandalism of a page

Ok, just saw your message. --Starlingt (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism report

Apparently the new tactic is for them to try and change the images uploaded to the site. It's another form of vandalism given I am using the images I downloaded myself on our group page. Impotency breeds futility though. --The Jack (talk) 16:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Yup, I already dealt with it. —Aichon— 16:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

I had quite a laugh watching this action today. One must ask himself though if following the wiki rules is worth it. I mean, I'll take trolls over zergs anyday. I'm quite disappointed. "We learned about honesty and integrity - that the truth matters, that you don't take shortcuts or play by your own set of rules... and success doesn't count unless you earn it fair and square." I think I might join The Dead now... maybe everyone with a clear mind should. You know, the solidarity thing. --Murderess (talk) 00:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this in all the hubbub yesterday. Honestly, I’d love to have a policy that bans zergers from the wiki. The problem comes in writing and enforcing a fair policy. We have no means by which to check any logs in the game, nor in-game activity, nor link accounts on the wiki to in-game accounts. Without those tools, we basically have no basis for banning anyone in a fair manner unless they just out-and-out admit to zerging while on the wiki. —Aichon— 05:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

User:The Joke

Sorry to keep focusing on your page for this but I noticed you also did the last revert a few minutes ago. Is it me or does this person seem disproportionately obsessed? Nevermind, that's rhetorical. Looks like this one was also created right before The Reel Jack Yocum. Since he tried to repeated revert our page to one called The Joke earlier it seems obvious he was trying to hide this one for later. --The Jack (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Quite possibly so. I’ll look into it later. —Aichon— 03:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

RE: Your imposter commentary

So it's said, I actually had no idea any of this even existed until it was all brought up today. It was quite a revelation. Definitely worth discussing. I've never used Discord, but maybe that's more viable? --The Jack (talk) 03:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, it’s not worth discussing. It’s hard to get worked up about someone impersonating me in a game I haven’t played for over a year, and no amount of discussion is likely to effect any change in the situation. I don’t appreciate what they’re doing, but I’m not losing any sleep over it. —Aichon— 05:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I understand that. Chat just seemed like a quick/easy way to clear up what I believe is some confusion on this topic. Plus, Im a slow typer, and it doesnt help that I get requests from other members to add/change something, because they want to mess with someone. In truth, having pow wow with anyone over this game seems to be taking the game a bit too serious. But since you actually took the time to post your feelings about this mess, and seem to have strong negative feelings towards my group as a whole, I just figured it was important enough to make the extra effort. I can appreciate/respect the value in one has in their creative endeavors. Anyway, I'll just say this for clarity. Personally, I dont know you at all. Ive never met you. I didnt know your characters until I read who they were. The group I play with is a bit larger, and I dont interact with all of them directly or on a regular basis. I play the game leisurely, and am interested in making actual positive contributions to the wiki outside my group. I think I can help keep the general information database up to date with regards to ingame activity. I may also choose to add to some creative stuff to the general history too. I think at this point, given the bad feelings and past drama surrounding this group, I will ask anyone else who wants to contribute to just send it to me to do. I dont anticipate alot of those requests, but we ll see. I like to go outside too sometimes. Hope you enjoyed my novel. That will be $5.95 US, but we can call it $5.00 and you can just contribute it to Kevan as a donation. :P. --The Jack (talk) 13:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, whether it's you, someone in your group, someone trying to frame you, or someone entirely unrelated, it doesn't matter to me. I don't appreciate people trying to drag my name through the mud, but even if I was 100% sure who it was, I'd still do my darndest to treat them fairly on the wiki. As for clearing up confusion, you're welcome to say your piece so that there's a record of it, but you don't need to defend yourself to me. I stopped caring who's behind it when I quit the game. —Aichon— 16:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Ok, well we have a couple other issues that needs to be addressed in relation to all of this then. First off, speaking for myself as a user on here and not as the collective we of the group, I've done nothing wrong, both ingame and on here, yet you outright called me a zerger in one of your recent comments on here. Let's be real here, that could potentially be misconstrued as not being impartial from a certain perspective. For the record, I will say I still do believe you do have every intention of impartiality, but the fact remains that perspective often trumps reality and truth. And you seem to carry alot of weight and respect around here. At least an "alleged...and zergs not zerger" would be appreciated. I'm not trying to take you to task, or expect you to change your opinion, but simply ask for the smallest and most basic level of courtesy given that the rare possibility I may actually be unconnected to anything past you've been exposed to on this matter. Given the accusers have been some of the most rampant offenders ingame only adds more credence to the possibilities. Point in fact. I've noticed that Goth Store Owner, Empathetic Bill, and BPell, and all their respective alts that attacked and talked against us ingame/here, have been conspicuously absent ingame for a long time now. Did their characters get disabled? If so, that would go a long way by itself to defending our argument. Just one example.
• I have also done nothing wrong on this site to be erroneously branded as such regardless of past feelings about our groups/other members activities. And while I am ever trying to be a person of consideration and understanding, especially with this whole situation, I would appreciate if you do not refer to me (meaning The Jack as a wiki User) as something that not accurate or proven. And when referring to our group please use the plural, because it's simply quite ridiculous to assume it's one person at this stage.
• We are actual group of people. I am not 100+ characters playing 24/7 at all times of day and night. That would be as impossible as it is a silly premise to presume. The stats page has us listed at 132, and given the average man of 50 players we listed a few years ago...we have more now...that is an average of 150 characters that could be played at 3 per person. However that stats do not show players alts outside our group, but I'd guess our numbers may be closer to 200ish characters all told probably closer to 220 if everyone is maxed out (no idea though). So the point it that our group is simply far too unwieldy, especially with almost every character played daily, for it to be just one person.
• I mentioned Goth Store, because somehow you seem to have confused previous incarnation The Jack Yocum with the Goth Store guys from a few years back on here. All we ever did was help tear down a few barricades, or rez them when they were zerged by emp bill, bpell, goth store drjackson, the prudence zerg, ect. Call our involvement helping the lesser of two evils in some small way. And that being said, on emp bills page he claims that the goth guys copped to making imposter alts of them (I've only seen bpell and emp bill alts), which could make sense since they were the primary ones zerging the goth guys. My point, no where was our group ever connected to them to the point where somehow it became our group. So presuming our group made your imposters is not only unfair, but inaccurate. Ironically though, it is those very stigmas that sought the Goth guys to ask for an alliance with us afterwards. So could you provide me the proof that those characters are connected with us, not the Goth guys, and I'm also curious to see what they did to attempt to spoil your reputation. Did they zerg, PK, something else, or is it that they simply exist that is considered the offense? I ask this because with recent information it is quite possible that Murderess was actually the one who created the ones based on you and Rosslessness. I will elaborate.

*Murderess shows two newly created alts on his news page yesterday and not so subtly attempted to link us to previous inaccuracies from known zergs themselves (yes I know you are also a member of ZHU but several other members have been caught doing exactly what they claim to fight against...hence the hypocrisy). AND THIS IS A BIG POINT OF CONCERN...how could he possibly ever find those two alts so quickly? Given the games random location generator for new alts alone is proof enough to the logistical improbability. Factor in that all the travelling variable, find Murderess alts, and the like, the fact he would just "happen" to spot such fabrications is as offensive as it is stupid. TSo, also given how Murderess railed against the Sysops for "protecting" me on his news page, wouldn't it also be possibly...most likely he created those alts? Much easier to fake what he is proposing that way. That being said...I'm speculating he also made the Aichon and Rosslessness alts since Murderess is known to frequent Havercroft where the Bpell and emP bill impostors were. Thats why I asked if they had done anything nefarious in your name, because maybe Murderess created them for who knows what purpose as an extension of what he previously saw in Havercroft. Given the recent claim, the new alts, the improbability of finding them, it does make aloty more sense. *Which also leads to another point of concern with Murderess and the likelihood he is connected to all the recent zerg alt attacks on us and the wiki. How did he know all those newly created alts were from The Dead? I didnt see any mention of that in the reverted edits or anywhere else? And why would he support a person/people abusing the wiki in every possible way to the point of actually suggesting everyone should join them. Given that at the time Murderess comment about this on your talk page had no connection anywhere else (and some of the comments seemed oddly out of place until the dots connected later)? Also, his claims about the sysops were also made by one of the banned alts too. Funny how a completely "unconnected " user would make the same claims and become frustrated/outraged at the exact same time those alt edits were being reverted/banned. Sorry but not only is there too much coincidence, but outright questionable connections to all the attempted harassment that was brought at us without ever any provocation from us in any way shape or form. Please let me know what I need to do to have the highlighted part of this conversation reviewed through the proper channels. Thank you. --The Jack (talk) 20:12, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

User Creation Log

Does a new user creating an account make an entry in Checkuser? Or do you have to wait for them to edit to get their IP? A ZOMBIE ANT 04:21, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

New users show up in logs immediately, hence why I was able to take action on some of the alt accounts before they edited. I was checking each of them during that flurry of activity. —Aichon— 04:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

That is really convenient. A ZOMBIE ANT 04:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

What would be convenient is a plugin that can handle proxies automatically... :-/ —Aichon— 05:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

What would actually be convenient is for no zerg war to be occurring on the wiki :P Thanks for handling it so far, Aichon. stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 11:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Totally right... A ZOMBIE ANT 11:35, 30 April 2018 (UTC)