Talk:Battle of Krinks
Future
As I announced on our forums; the NSU will seek a place to defend elsewhere. I'd like to ask the groups involved in the Battle of Krinks if they will be hostile towards the NSU in the future, like Kill on Sight. If not, then the NSU will cease hostilities as well. --Cornholioo 17:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, you remain KOS for me. Toobad i did not have AP in Buckley Mall. I did radio about your location and sprayed that you are a nazi in the Buckley Mall. So, still hostile. --zyckde 12:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- I see you have been killed by the Urban Guerilla's? I'm glad I must say. I'll make sure noone near Buckley will revive you. XD --zyckde 22:47, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The conflict is ideological. The Black Flag will ensure no place in Malton is safe for Nazism. --Fenian 06:00, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- He tried to move into the Top Leave Building West Gray side. And was killed by a survivor quickly afterwards. --zyckde 06:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Role of the Philosophe Knights
Since recently the Philosophne Knights have got involved in the Battle of Krinks. I wonder how we must mention them in the article page, so I will ask for your opinions. There are two options. One: we add a third side. Though I have no idea how we are going to report strength and casualties since they barely hurt the NSU. Also the data the WWSIS and the Philosophne Knights themselves gives free, is minimal. I also think this is strange because this was originally a conflict between the WWSIS and NSU, and the Philosophne Knights would only be involved temporary (right?). Also it brings me some questions about the victory condition. Now that the battle has ended, does that mean they reached victory? They have their share in driving the leftists off Krinks. Is that victory? They have killed a few enemies, is that victory? Two: We report stuff we know about the role of the Philosophe Knights in the article themselves but don't add them as a third side.
I think the second one is better, but I'd like to know everyone's opinion. Thanks in advance. --Cornholioo 11:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- My experience of the battle is that the Philosophe Knights were actually victorious. They still hold Krinks at this moment. They have killed at least twice as many as the NSU, and also destroyed all generators and barricades. They were the only ones in this conflict who reached their goal. However, it would be good if the philosophes would say something about this. --zyckde 11:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- My goal was to drive the leftists off Krinks, which has worked out as well. I think I'm going to change the result of the battle to 'leftists get driven off Krinks' and leave it like that, I hope that is less subjective. After this you can edit it as you please. Do you agree the battle is over? --Cornholioo 15:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I can agree with that, if there can be slight addition to the first sentence. Just undo it if you disagree. --zyckde 16:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree but I still wonder if we have to add them as a third side then in the menu on the right. As I said: "I have no idea how we are going to report strength and casualties since they barely hurt the NSU. Also the data the WWSIS and the Philosophne Knights themselves gives free, is minimal. I also think this is strange because this was originally a conflict between the WWSIS and NSU, and the Philosophe Knights would only be involved temporary (right?).". What is your opinion on this? --Cornholioo 16:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I can agree with that, if there can be slight addition to the first sentence. Just undo it if you disagree. --zyckde 16:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- My goal was to drive the leftists off Krinks, which has worked out as well. I think I'm going to change the result of the battle to 'leftists get driven off Krinks' and leave it like that, I hope that is less subjective. After this you can edit it as you please. Do you agree the battle is over? --Cornholioo 15:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- My experience of the battle is that the Philosophe Knights were actually victorious. They still hold Krinks at this moment. They have killed at least twice as many as the NSU, and also destroyed all generators and barricades. They were the only ones in this conflict who reached their goal. However, it would be good if the philosophes would say something about this. --zyckde 11:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
The 21st of March 2010
Friends,
After weeks of fruitless attacks by the cornhoolio, he was on the run, wounded, unable to hit Krinks. However, within a matter of hours, the balance of forces shifted. Due to attacks by the oldest PKer group in the city and a group of zombies, the defenders of Krinks were overpowered. The fact that cornhoolio needed the help of zombies and a PKer group, reveals once again how deceitful cornhoolio is.
As spokesperson of the WWSIS, i would like to say that this is a sad day. Especially because the victory of the neonazi NSU came on the international day against racism, the 21th of March. This date is also celebrated by people in central asia and the middle-east as the beginning of the new year, and in the northern hemisphere as the beginning of spring. However, today the celebrations will be tainted by the fact that fascism could triumph.
The victory of the NSU shows how dangerous it was of the Philosophe Knights to enter this battle and shift the balance in favor of the NSU. The Philosophe Knights have created momentum for the nazi's in Malton. They should be ashamed.
Despite these bleak facts, there is hope. Cornhoolio was victorious only because he was helped by groups that will not help him maintain the power plant. As soon as the sinister coalition crumbles, the workers, and activists will regain their position amongst the inhabitants of Krinks once more.
I would like to ask all survivors in the area to help clean out the Krinks once more, and defeat the neonazi who has taken control.
--zyckde 20:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- I revived Burning the Fire and killed a PKer inside the power station, but things do not look good. --Martino 22:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- Can you take a screenshot and show the world how corhoolio destroyed the plant. He should not be able to use his "victory" as propaganda. --zyckde 22:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- I revived Burning the Fire and killed a PKer inside the power station, but things do not look good. --Martino 22:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- Zyckde,
- Zyckde,
- The Philosophne Knights and the zombies did not 'help' me, I didn't have an alliance with either party. As you can see on the article page, I've said, and as you're saying yourself right here, that your men, the leftists, will only come back and attack us again. So to avoid a second battle of krinks I've made the decision to send the Union to defend a place elsewhere.
- As a final imput, I want to say that we both know our groups don't like eachothers. Though, we think we are all survivors that have to work together in this infected city, to aid the survivor cause, even if we don't like eachothers. The National Socialist Union, is not a PKing group and has never been looking for this conflict. We advice you to think twice next time before your seek conflict with another pro-survivor group that you don't like. You have maintained this station for almost half a year now. Maybe it is your right to decide which policy is used. But you can in no way tell certain groups they are not welcome to fight alongside you, aiding the same cause. Once again: our group doesn't like yours, but you kill the zombies, so we wouldn't mind to work together with you, if you have the same goals as us. We wish you good luck in the future.
- Meine Ehre heiSSt Treue. --Cornholioo 6:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC).
The WWSIS Perspective
Since the "battle" description given on the article page is highly subjective, the WWSIS would like to present their view on the matter.
Since the 5th of February 2010 the NSU claim that the safety of Krinks Power Station and Tolman Power Station is their work. After a horrendous attack by MOB in December 2009 the Krinks was totally ruined. The WWSIS has rebuilt the station and the radio network in the surrounding area together with local groups and feral survivors.
The NSU was requested (see their group discussion) to remove the piece in their group page that says the safety of Krinks is their work. The WWSIS asked for this because it was a blatant lie and because the WWSIS does not want to give neonazi's a chance to pose as respectable. The WWSIS also warned that the NSU (because they are neonazi's) have no place in the Krinks Power Station, or any of the other Power Stations. The NSU were warned that they would be violently removed. Survivors in and around the plant were warned not to fall for the blatant lies and racism of the NSU.
The NSU took this as an excuse to start PKing those in Krinks. As can be seen in the screenshots they shouted anti-semitic slogans while doing that. Instead of aiding the survivor cause they showed their true face by killing the same people who are at the core of keeping the power station safe.
In response to the attrocities various survivors, both individuals and groups, have rallied behind a call to put an end to fascism. The initiatives around this are encouraging, and show that the WWSIS's view of a pluralistic, multi-ethnic society are alive despite the horrors of the zombie apocalypse.
Unlike the sinister goals of the NSU, we have clear and obtainable goals: to keep the Krinks Power Station free of zombies and neonazi's, and to establish it as a beacon of hope for a brighter tomorrow.
We see it as a victory that since the 5th of February we have kept the nazi's and zombies out of Krinks Power Station. All those tho want to support this can voice their support on this page.
In Solidarity
--zyckde 18:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Battle of Krinks is a page in the main namespace. As such anyone can edit it however they wish, as long as no vandalism is committed. Indeed if you wanted to create an alternative version of events you could. To retain ownership of the page may I suggest you name it GROUPSNAME/Battle Of Krinks --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- To be honest, I believe that both sides should be able to have their point of view/ side of the story on this Battle of the Krinks. I think it would be better as nueyrals would now be able to make a decision on who right instead of one biased side.--Burning The Fire 18:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good idea. Maybe ownership of the page should be transferred to some arbiter. --zyckde 19:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Both perspectives at once would be the best solution. The simplest way to do this would be to have a large header for each perspective, and treat anything within that header as being 'owned' by the side offering their perspective within it. A neutral party might be able to provide an NPOV stance to accompany these, too.
19:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think that is smart in this case. You can see what the effect of this is in the Krinks Power Station page. Sides are using the logg to make insinuations, i'd rather have someone neutral giving the whole story an overhaul. (including the Krinks Power Station page) --zyckde 19:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- This is an example fo something similar. I'm assuming that a style like that would be preferred. I'd also recommend that both sides attend Arbitration, both to sort out personal issues, and to help resolve the page conflicts.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think that is smart in this case. You can see what the effect of this is in the Krinks Power Station page. Sides are using the logg to make insinuations, i'd rather have someone neutral giving the whole story an overhaul. (including the Krinks Power Station page) --zyckde 19:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Both perspectives at once would be the best solution. The simplest way to do this would be to have a large header for each perspective, and treat anything within that header as being 'owned' by the side offering their perspective within it. A neutral party might be able to provide an NPOV stance to accompany these, too.
- That sounds like a good idea. Maybe ownership of the page should be transferred to some arbiter. --zyckde 19:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- To be honest, I believe that both sides should be able to have their point of view/ side of the story on this Battle of the Krinks. I think it would be better as nueyrals would now be able to make a decision on who right instead of one biased side.--Burning The Fire 18:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
1. We have not claimed the safety in Krinks is our work. 2. If you say you will kill us, then it is our right to defend ourselves, that's not PKing. 3. The goals of the NSU have been to keep the power stations safe from zombies, PKs, and GKs. 4. the WWSIS has said they would kill NSU personell that entered Krinks on the 26th of February 2010. 5. The NSU has only reproduced facts in this article, as well as in other articles. You are allowed to edit it. 6. A discussion with you, in my opinion, is a discussion with Judas. You keep repeating arguments I've already reacted on, and then I have to react on them again. The Jew keeps saying the same stuff all the time. When the Aryan gets tired of it the Jew cries his question is not answered. A dirty Tactic of Judas. -- Cornholioo 13:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC).
- 1. You write on your group page that the situation of Krinks was an "Achievement", in other words, your work. 2. You do not defend. You seek conflict. You moved into our territory after we made clear you were unwanted. Not the other way around. Look on the site on PKing: "In the UD context, where both humans and zombies are controlled by players, a PKer is a human character who kills other human characters (the zombie equivalent is ZKer)." 3. Your real goal, hidden behind your lies is to spread anti-Semite hatred. 4. We will kill members of the NSU if they threaten Krinks. 5. Your wording is biased. I do not wish to enter an editing war, i rather have a neutral arbiter. 6. I hope this answer is more clear for you. --zyckde 13:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1. You have said this before + I have reacted on this before. That is a typicall tactic of Judas. You keep repeating the same argument untill I get tired of it. At the point I don't react anymore I have lost the debating. So I will explain you (read carefully:) one last time: This is an achievement of ours, because it is our goal to keep Krinks free from zombies, PKs and GKs. We have not said it's entirely us that are responsible for this. If you want I can even add to our page that other survivor groups and/or ferals help us with this. 2. I didn't seek conflict, you did. If you wouldn't have send that radio broadcast we wouldn't have opened fire on you. This is the direct cause of war. We can't move into Krinks and do our work if you want to shoot us when we enter. Besides that, if you killed me, would you also broadcast something like: 'Zyckde is a PK, kill him on sight'? No. Anyway, the cause of war is unimportant; us being at war means we kill eachothers, not PK eachothers. You admitted you don't have any further rules besides the game rules you have to keep yourself to. By saying this you, simply said, mean: 'I can do whatever we like'. Fine then, keep calling us PKs, but the NSU will think you have no honor. We still respect our enemies. You don't. 3. You don't know anything about our 'hidden goals', as you call them; thus you can't reproduce facts. All you can do is make speculations. 4. I ment that you said this on 26 February, not 5 February. 5. As I said: you can edit it if you want. If you don't want to, then don't whine.
- 1. How can it be an achievement if you did not do anything? 2. We marked off our territory, and made clear you were not welcome. You chose to openly provoke us by PKing someone inside. I do not respect you, I despise you too much to try and argue something about honor here. Don't pretend to respect me, since i am an Arab Jew Communist etc. 3. You state on your group page you have the nazi ideology. Seems conclusive evidence to me. 4. I don't know what dates have to do whit any thing. I looked at your group page, and the claim of the achievement was made on the 5th of February. 5. As i said, I'd like a neutral voice to write the page. --zyckde 23:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1. Once again: it's once of our goals to keep the Krinks free of any zombie, PK and GK. The status of the goal is our achievement. This doesn't say anything about what we've done ourselves. We can work our asses off, but still find the Krinks overrun by zombies; we can also do nothing while the Krinks is clear. For the status of our goal, our effords do not matter. All that counts are is actual status of the goal (is Krinks free from zombies, PKs and GKs, or is it not?). We did not mean to say the WWSIS or other groups/ferals are not working in the Krinks. I've told you before: if you want I can even add to our page other groups/survivors help us with this. 2. Your way of debating looks like the one of a jew, indeed. Still, no matter how bad I hate your group, I won't lose my honor. I still won't call you a PK for killing me in a war. Furthermore, you saying that we are not welcome on certain terrain (our goal is to defend), is a declaration of war. Our marking of certain goals, is not a declaration of war. This makes you the agressor. Just admit that I'm right, you declared war and the only reason you called me a PK is to win sympathy, just like all your other broadcasts and speeches. I understand you are trying to win sympathy to defeat your enemies, but calling them PK in a war (you declared yourself) is not the right way to do that. And now don't come with 'I've only called you a PK because according to the wiki definitions you are one'; you don't call yourself one either. All youre trying to do is win sympathy and you know I'm right. I guess you appologize for what you have done... 3. You still don't know anything about our hidden goals, so you can only make speculations. 4. I was just correcting you. You said you had been keeping nazi's out of Krinks since 5 february 2010. I corrected you. I didn't mean anything else with that. 5. Ok then. White regards, --Cornholioo 17:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
- 1. So, lets grab the New Oxford American Dictionary: achievement | əˈ ch ēvmənt |noun| a thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill : to reach this stage is a great achievement. 2. You could choose to go somewhere else, remove the achievement bit and de-escalate this. Describing you as a player killer was done after you killed a player. 3. So, you admit to have hidden goals? 4. No. I said you made your false claim on the 5th of February 2010. 5. I'm happy you agree a neutral voice should write the page. Maybe the Philosophe Knights? They seem to be an educated bunch. --zyckde 13:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1. Read my post carefully: it doesn't say anything about our own effords. If no zombie attacks the krinks, it takes no efford either. If other groups/ferals keep them off Krinks, it doesn't take efford either. In both cases it's still an achievement. The status of the goal is what counts, not our own efford. 2. I offered you several times to write that other groups/survivors help us with this achievements. You have never reacted to this. And no, we will not go somewhere else. The NSU doesn't recognize the Krinks as territory of the WWSIS. We feel we have the right to move into Krinks to keep zombies, PKs and GKs out. Also we didn't set up any policies. All we wanted to do is keep zombies, PKs and GKs out. And yes you've called me a PK after I killed a member of the CPM. But you're just doing that to win sympathy, as I said. 3. No. 4. This is what you said: "We see it as a victory that since the 5th of February we have kept the nazi's and zombies out of Krinks Power Station.". 5. Haha. ;) --Cornholioo 15:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC).
- 1. Read the dictionary carefully. The word achievement implies effort. 2. This means you seek conflict, as i said before. You stated your ideology, this ideology is hostile to ethnic diversity, labour organisations, and democracy. These are core values of a trade union such as the WWSIS. 3. Ok (I do wonder why you are so eager to discuss in private emails) Judging by the skills you choose for your character you are especially interested in violence, and do not possess the skills to maintain a power station. 4. Yes, it is a victory that despite your claims, you have failed miserably. 5. They are the third party, killed one of us, so i am quite serious about this.
- 1. How would you want me to call it then? 2. No, we have only said to fight off the zombies, PKs and GKs. We have in no way said we would attack the WWSIS. We don't agree with your ideals either and we didn't declare war on you for that as well. 3. As I said: because a discussion about national socialist ideals doesn't belong on the wiki of a video game in my opinion. I would debate them on E-Mail (as well as other suitable places), though. And maintaining a power station requires voilence... as well as fighting a war like this one against seven enemy groups and a bunch of PKers that wants everyone dead. I only need some radio skills and then I'm good to go. 4. You didn't keep us out. We didn't move into krinks yet. And we haven't failed as well. Check our achievements. As long as the plants are safe we don't fail. 5. Wait, you was serious? I thought you was making a joke. Well, in that case, I'd say they are not suitable. For 2 reasons: a. They are involved in the conflict, so maybe less objective. b. They already edited the article page and declared war on both of us (WWSIS and NSU) with a lot of swearing.
- Also I'd like to know if you are willing to talk to me in instant messaging. MSN or something like that. That probably makes communicating a lot easier. --Cornholioo 14:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC).
- 1. Read the dictionary carefully. The word achievement implies effort. 2. This means you seek conflict, as i said before. You stated your ideology, this ideology is hostile to ethnic diversity, labour organisations, and democracy. These are core values of a trade union such as the WWSIS. 3. Ok (I do wonder why you are so eager to discuss in private emails) Judging by the skills you choose for your character you are especially interested in violence, and do not possess the skills to maintain a power station. 4. Yes, it is a victory that despite your claims, you have failed miserably. 5. They are the third party, killed one of us, so i am quite serious about this.
- 1. Read my post carefully: it doesn't say anything about our own effords. If no zombie attacks the krinks, it takes no efford either. If other groups/ferals keep them off Krinks, it doesn't take efford either. In both cases it's still an achievement. The status of the goal is what counts, not our own efford. 2. I offered you several times to write that other groups/survivors help us with this achievements. You have never reacted to this. And no, we will not go somewhere else. The NSU doesn't recognize the Krinks as territory of the WWSIS. We feel we have the right to move into Krinks to keep zombies, PKs and GKs out. Also we didn't set up any policies. All we wanted to do is keep zombies, PKs and GKs out. And yes you've called me a PK after I killed a member of the CPM. But you're just doing that to win sympathy, as I said. 3. No. 4. This is what you said: "We see it as a victory that since the 5th of February we have kept the nazi's and zombies out of Krinks Power Station.". 5. Haha. ;) --Cornholioo 15:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC).
- 1. So, lets grab the New Oxford American Dictionary: achievement | əˈ ch ēvmənt |noun| a thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill : to reach this stage is a great achievement. 2. You could choose to go somewhere else, remove the achievement bit and de-escalate this. Describing you as a player killer was done after you killed a player. 3. So, you admit to have hidden goals? 4. No. I said you made your false claim on the 5th of February 2010. 5. I'm happy you agree a neutral voice should write the page. Maybe the Philosophe Knights? They seem to be an educated bunch. --zyckde 13:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1. Once again: it's once of our goals to keep the Krinks free of any zombie, PK and GK. The status of the goal is our achievement. This doesn't say anything about what we've done ourselves. We can work our asses off, but still find the Krinks overrun by zombies; we can also do nothing while the Krinks is clear. For the status of our goal, our effords do not matter. All that counts are is actual status of the goal (is Krinks free from zombies, PKs and GKs, or is it not?). We did not mean to say the WWSIS or other groups/ferals are not working in the Krinks. I've told you before: if you want I can even add to our page other groups/survivors help us with this. 2. Your way of debating looks like the one of a jew, indeed. Still, no matter how bad I hate your group, I won't lose my honor. I still won't call you a PK for killing me in a war. Furthermore, you saying that we are not welcome on certain terrain (our goal is to defend), is a declaration of war. Our marking of certain goals, is not a declaration of war. This makes you the agressor. Just admit that I'm right, you declared war and the only reason you called me a PK is to win sympathy, just like all your other broadcasts and speeches. I understand you are trying to win sympathy to defeat your enemies, but calling them PK in a war (you declared yourself) is not the right way to do that. And now don't come with 'I've only called you a PK because according to the wiki definitions you are one'; you don't call yourself one either. All youre trying to do is win sympathy and you know I'm right. I guess you appologize for what you have done... 3. You still don't know anything about our hidden goals, so you can only make speculations. 4. I was just correcting you. You said you had been keeping nazi's out of Krinks since 5 february 2010. I corrected you. I didn't mean anything else with that. 5. Ok then. White regards, --Cornholioo 17:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
- 1. How can it be an achievement if you did not do anything? 2. We marked off our territory, and made clear you were not welcome. You chose to openly provoke us by PKing someone inside. I do not respect you, I despise you too much to try and argue something about honor here. Don't pretend to respect me, since i am an Arab Jew Communist etc. 3. You state on your group page you have the nazi ideology. Seems conclusive evidence to me. 4. I don't know what dates have to do whit any thing. I looked at your group page, and the claim of the achievement was made on the 5th of February. 5. As i said, I'd like a neutral voice to write the page. --zyckde 23:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1. You have said this before + I have reacted on this before. That is a typicall tactic of Judas. You keep repeating the same argument untill I get tired of it. At the point I don't react anymore I have lost the debating. So I will explain you (read carefully:) one last time: This is an achievement of ours, because it is our goal to keep Krinks free from zombies, PKs and GKs. We have not said it's entirely us that are responsible for this. If you want I can even add to our page that other survivor groups and/or ferals help us with this. 2. I didn't seek conflict, you did. If you wouldn't have send that radio broadcast we wouldn't have opened fire on you. This is the direct cause of war. We can't move into Krinks and do our work if you want to shoot us when we enter. Besides that, if you killed me, would you also broadcast something like: 'Zyckde is a PK, kill him on sight'? No. Anyway, the cause of war is unimportant; us being at war means we kill eachothers, not PK eachothers. You admitted you don't have any further rules besides the game rules you have to keep yourself to. By saying this you, simply said, mean: 'I can do whatever we like'. Fine then, keep calling us PKs, but the NSU will think you have no honor. We still respect our enemies. You don't. 3. You don't know anything about our 'hidden goals', as you call them; thus you can't reproduce facts. All you can do is make speculations. 4. I ment that you said this on 26 February, not 5 February. 5. As I said: you can edit it if you want. If you don't want to, then don't whine.
- 1. You write on your group page that the situation of Krinks was an "Achievement", in other words, your work. 2. You do not defend. You seek conflict. You moved into our territory after we made clear you were unwanted. Not the other way around. Look on the site on PKing: "In the UD context, where both humans and zombies are controlled by players, a PKer is a human character who kills other human characters (the zombie equivalent is ZKer)." 3. Your real goal, hidden behind your lies is to spread anti-Semite hatred. 4. We will kill members of the NSU if they threaten Krinks. 5. Your wording is biased. I do not wish to enter an editing war, i rather have a neutral arbiter. 6. I hope this answer is more clear for you. --zyckde 13:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The fight
I think you gave a accurate description of the conflict. Here is your "heroic" action as a screen shot, again affirming that anti-semitism in the form of hitler adoration is at the core of your world view. This indeed means we will make sure the Krinks Power Station stays up and running, and without any sustained nazi presence. --zyckde 12:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
If you didn't declare war on us, this wouldn't have happened. ;) Free, social and national --Cornholioo 12:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- This war does mean we will suffer many more casualties than your side. However, we don't really mind. It is clear that you lack the allies to muster any real support, so you have to resort to petty guerrilla actions. I hope you are spending your nights in empty unlit ruins in the middle of an urban wasteland, only held company by zombies and feral PKers. That's how we like our nazi's, hiding in the sewers like rats. That they come out to bite us every once in a while, alas, that's life. --zyckde 12:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Guerrilla actions have been used a lot in the past by commies. Why do you hate them so bad? Only because they are now used against you? :) Btw, are you revivified already? ^^ --Cornholioo 13:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, and stay out of Krinks in the future, or I will kill you again. You are going to lose this battle, and you know it. Every time we will break into the plant, shoot you all, and withdraw again. You can't do anything to stop us. And why do we do this? Because of a war you declared yourself! Eventually you will have to give up your indoctrinal radio station because you need the AP to defend yourself against the zombies and the constant attacks of National Socialists. Then you will be driven off the Krinks. Even if you manage to kill one of us, we will still come back and keep attacking you. You stand no chance, and you know it.
- Remember the holy 14 words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." - David Lane. --Cornholioo 20:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- David Lane should really be focussing on the education of white children. His spelling is terrible. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Great argument kid. Besides that, I am not English, I'm Dutch. You shouldn't correct my English in the first place when you're not able to speak Dutch yourself. --Cornholioo 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure I was correcting David Lane. But fair enough, who am I to comment on correct English, being English and all. If you like I could type in Dutch? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- So, if you're a Dutch nazi, why are you playing a game in English. Or has your superior race not been able to write one?
- Yes, I am a Dutch national socialist, and I think this is not the place to argue about my ideals. If you want to so bad, leave your E-Mail behind, I'll be happy to debate with you there. --Cornholioo 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Shame on you. How do you can support Hitler after what he has done to the Netherlands? So much for "dutch nationalism". And nationalism itself sucks (I have direct portuguese, dutch and german roots, btw) --Martino 01:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Have you got trouble reading? "I think this is not the place to argue about my ideals. If you want to so bad, leave your E-Mail behind, I'll be happy to debate with you there." Shame on you. --Cornholioo 15:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- It is not the place? Why not? Who said so? We are a little censorship fan, aren't we, nazi? --Martino 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- oooh, someone learned the "you can't read" argument, cute. We understand you don't want to discuss you hysterical views about organizing genocide and breaking the remnants of working class rights. Are you still running? I'd like to offer peace... oh, no, just kidding. XD --zyckde 16:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I said so. I'm the one here debating to you, and I dont wish to debate about my ideals because this is a wiki about Urban Dead. It is not against the rules to do (I guess), but I will not do it here. I would in E-Mail, though. --Cornholioo 19:00, 17 March 2010.
- Honestly, my spam box is already full, I don't really need any genocidal racist bullshit in it too. --Martino 00:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Do you realize how stupid it was what you just said? You try to start a debate here, and then it's 'bullshit that doesn't belong in your spam box'. I'm done. You're probably 14. --Cornholioo 09:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- The reason anti-fascists want to debate in public is because we are not interested in the personal exchange of ideas with nazis. We want to show to the world whose ideas make more sense. Because yours don't we have something to gain by democracy and transparency. You hide your views, because they can not stand the test of critique. They will wither away when exposed to the light of solidarity, humanity and reason. --zyckde 09:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- I need to say no more. --Martino 12:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Then excuse me, I'd love to debate with you, but not here. The reason I'm not doing it here I've given already. It doesn't belong here in my eyes. Oh, and you don't have to convince people that 'nazi's are bad' with a public discussion right here. They already get that indoctrinated every day, in media, school, internet, etc. ;) --Cornholioo 13:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
- I need to say no more. --Martino 12:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- The reason anti-fascists want to debate in public is because we are not interested in the personal exchange of ideas with nazis. We want to show to the world whose ideas make more sense. Because yours don't we have something to gain by democracy and transparency. You hide your views, because they can not stand the test of critique. They will wither away when exposed to the light of solidarity, humanity and reason. --zyckde 09:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Do you realize how stupid it was what you just said? You try to start a debate here, and then it's 'bullshit that doesn't belong in your spam box'. I'm done. You're probably 14. --Cornholioo 09:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Honestly, my spam box is already full, I don't really need any genocidal racist bullshit in it too. --Martino 00:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- I said so. I'm the one here debating to you, and I dont wish to debate about my ideals because this is a wiki about Urban Dead. It is not against the rules to do (I guess), but I will not do it here. I would in E-Mail, though. --Cornholioo 19:00, 17 March 2010.
- oooh, someone learned the "you can't read" argument, cute. We understand you don't want to discuss you hysterical views about organizing genocide and breaking the remnants of working class rights. Are you still running? I'd like to offer peace... oh, no, just kidding. XD --zyckde 16:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- It is not the place? Why not? Who said so? We are a little censorship fan, aren't we, nazi? --Martino 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Have you got trouble reading? "I think this is not the place to argue about my ideals. If you want to so bad, leave your E-Mail behind, I'll be happy to debate with you there." Shame on you. --Cornholioo 15:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Shame on you. How do you can support Hitler after what he has done to the Netherlands? So much for "dutch nationalism". And nationalism itself sucks (I have direct portuguese, dutch and german roots, btw) --Martino 01:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I am a Dutch national socialist, and I think this is not the place to argue about my ideals. If you want to so bad, leave your E-Mail behind, I'll be happy to debate with you there. --Cornholioo 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- So, if you're a Dutch nazi, why are you playing a game in English. Or has your superior race not been able to write one?
- I'm pretty sure I was correcting David Lane. But fair enough, who am I to comment on correct English, being English and all. If you like I could type in Dutch? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Great argument kid. Besides that, I am not English, I'm Dutch. You shouldn't correct my English in the first place when you're not able to speak Dutch yourself. --Cornholioo 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- David Lane should really be focussing on the education of white children. His spelling is terrible. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I see in the battle page that he was wounded again by someone, anyone know who did that? I have heard of Anton finding him, CS claimed to have hit 'm twice. If someone hears who it was, please let me know. tnx. --zyckde 16:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1st was Anton. Very short after I was hit for the 2nd time, but I counted that as one wounded, because it was very fast after and I didn't got healed or anything in the meantime. 3rd was some black flag guy, I don't remember who. So I counted it as two wounded. Hope I've been clear. --Cornholioo 19:00, 17 March 2010.
- No, Anton never hit you. Yet. --Martino 00:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, you're right. Martino was first, very short after was Burning the Fire. Third was some black flag guy but I don't remember who. --Cornholioo 8:44, 18 March 2010.
- Wth? Anton is my character. And btw, now I've hit you. He's in the Nevill Building, Kinch Heights. --Martino 12:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- That put a smile on my face, Mr. I'm-not-on-the-run-I'm-practicing-guerrilla-tactics lololol --zyckde 13:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, excuse me, then I don't know who was the first one. Anton did hit me now. For 16 points of damage. I'm not impressed guys. If you want some inspiration, go check Krinks, one dead and one wounded there. The dead one is a black flagger and the wounded is WWSIS. I, being on the run, still cause you guys a lot of damage, so it seems. :) --Cornholioo 13:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
- That put a smile on my face, Mr. I'm-not-on-the-run-I'm-practicing-guerrilla-tactics lololol --zyckde 13:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Wth? Anton is my character. And btw, now I've hit you. He's in the Nevill Building, Kinch Heights. --Martino 12:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, you're right. Martino was first, very short after was Burning the Fire. Third was some black flag guy but I don't remember who. --Cornholioo 8:44, 18 March 2010.
- No, Anton never hit you. Yet. --Martino 00:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- 1st was Anton. Very short after I was hit for the 2nd time, but I counted that as one wounded, because it was very fast after and I didn't got healed or anything in the meantime. 3rd was some black flag guy, I don't remember who. So I counted it as two wounded. Hope I've been clear. --Cornholioo 19:00, 17 March 2010.
Enjoy :) --Cornholioo 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, and yet another argument that is adding more and more people to the ranks of your opponents. I do not have time to make the list now, but i will provide you with one over the weekend. --zyckde 16:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please do, we will be happy to kill you all. We are just defending ourselves. You are the one that declared war. You asked for this yourself. And now you're crying that you are being killed by the Long Germanic Arm of National Socialists. --Cornholioo 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- ok, add the Urban Guerilla's to that, i got word from the leader of Mossad, and members of ENVY have come to the area to help out as well. Apparently also this person on the thread below. You know I will be revived before you have loaded ammunition and AP to strike again. Both zombie and survivor groups are disgusted by your anti-semitism, racism and hitler fetish. Goodbye. --zyckde 17:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not alone. ;) --Cornholioo 18:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- ok, add the Urban Guerilla's to that, i got word from the leader of Mossad, and members of ENVY have come to the area to help out as well. Apparently also this person on the thread below. You know I will be revived before you have loaded ammunition and AP to strike again. Both zombie and survivor groups are disgusted by your anti-semitism, racism and hitler fetish. Goodbye. --zyckde 17:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please do, we will be happy to kill you all. We are just defending ourselves. You are the one that declared war. You asked for this yourself. And now you're crying that you are being killed by the Long Germanic Arm of National Socialists. --Cornholioo 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Has the ENVY actually been at the battle side? I have never seen them. And the UG I've seen only one member of. --Cornholioo 13:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
Next time vandalism is made on the article page, it will be reported. --Cornholioo 13:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
- And... reported. --Cornholioo 16:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
Anton Martinovich is going to war
Anton Martinovich is my nazi-hunter character and he will be heading now to Williamsville to fight this fascist dickheads. Boot the nazis in the face! --Martino 14:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Also you are more than welcome. --Cornholioo 15:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you anton! Please invite anyone you know to help out and keep our city clean. --zyckde 17:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you anton! Please invite anyone you know to help out and keep our city clean. --zyckde 17:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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--Martino 22:11, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, so you know, I have no idea who that Ernie guy is. He's not a member of the NSU, at least not a legimate one. So this doesn't count as a kill in this battle. White regards, --Cornholioo
- He was a nazi, wearing SS uniform. Good enough for me, I don't really care if you count him as a casualty or not. --Martino 20:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, so you know, I have no idea who that Ernie guy is. He's not a member of the NSU, at least not a legimate one. So this doesn't count as a kill in this battle. White regards, --Cornholioo
Working Men Of All Suburbs Unite
I, Burning the Fire, will join the fight to crush fascist scum. If you need healed please call, Comrades.--Burning The Fire 17:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I have set up a group for anyone not attached to a group that wants to help fight the for the cause - Suburban Brigades--Burning The Fire 00:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Template
Hey guys, I came up with this template:
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--Martino 03:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Nice one :-) --zyckde 07:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I made one for ppl who want to show their active support/ue of the Amateur Radio system around Krinks:
 
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Combattants
You are missing some groups still, Black Flag/Revolutionary Radio has sent someone to represent them, same goes for those squatters.
- Solved. --Cornholioo 17:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
Philosophe Knights
We would like to ask Cornholioo to stop editing our declaration of war. It should be preserved for historical reference, and it is fact. We do however agree that the Main page is not the place for the Krinks Alliance to give as information as to to NSU's location. That kind of information, if given at all, should be on this talk page. We would also like to apologize for what will be a horrific disparity in kill rates, there are an awful lot more members of the Krinks alliance than their are of the NSU, just remember we have equal disdain for you all. -Devorac 15:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
We repeat, do not modify our post. Continued actions will result in a vandalism case. -Devorac 17:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Cornholioo has already filed a complaint about you for vandalism. I am unsure if you know of this. --Burning The Fire 17:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm going to say this again, here. Edit conflicts shouldn't result in vandalism cases. The aggreived parties should go to Arbitration, and deal with it there.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- That nazi likes to edit and censor others' work a lot, I see. Who the hell does he think he is? I know nazis aren't really fond of freedom of speech, but this is starting to be really annoying. --Martino 17:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- lol? I do support freedom of speech. And now stop trying to debate my ideals here. As I told you before: if you want to, leave your E-Mail behind, I'm not doing it here. I'd love to on E-Mail, however. But as I said: on the mainpage there should only be posted facts, not swearing. --Cornholioo 18:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
- Apologies Yonnua, I will. Burning, no I didn't realize that I had a vandalism complaint against me, thanks for the heads up. -Devorac 18:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
The Army Control Corps
I'm posting here also to clarify that the ACC was never involved in this conflict.
To quote two posts from NSU's talk page: [Q] True I was working together with ACC, and I'm still doing, so what? And you guys were the ones that declared war, not us. Don't start crying when we defend ourselves then. This is our tactic, enjoy it. --Cornholioo 16:01, 8 March 2010 (GTM+1)
At no point has the ACC declared its association with your operation. Today was the first time we have recieved a plea for help. I had offered to settle this issue by the means of a non violent mediation provided by the ACC between all the groups involved. Seeing this comment has changed my mind, and the ACC will NOT be entering the situation. --Alcatraz311T|ACC|A45 20:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC) [/Q]
--Alcatraz311T|ACC|A45 20:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- This is an explaination why I was wearing ACC group tags. My character was in two groups. I didn't say in any way that the ACC was involved in the Battle of Krinks, or at least didn't mean it that way. --Cornholioo 14:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC).
Just to keep in mind what this fight is about
--Martino 22:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
The fight II
That part of the talk site was getting a bit messy, so I start a new one. I just looked at cornhoolio's profile. It says he is a zombie.... did someone kill 'm?
- Not me, but I'm glad someone did it! --Martino 15:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- A feral did, so that doesn't count for this battle. --Cornholioo 15:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC).
Screenshot
I don't suppose anybody with the proper access could make the screenshot in the beginning smaller, or something? I mean, it creates a whole lot of blank space. Infrastructure 19:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think it can be taken out. It says it is a "war declaration", which it wasn't. It was simply a warning, happily interpreted to be a declaration of war by the NSU, so they had an excuse to start killing. --zyckde 20:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
The body count
The body count is incomplete. It is not counting the many casualties of the main offensive in the conflict, namely the educational incursion into Krinks. This cost many defenders of Krinks their life. Also the wounded and dead on the side of the Philosophe Knights are left unmentioned. My estimate is that there were at least 8 deaths caused by the Philosophes, though this might be an overestimation. I hope the Philosophes have more accurate figures. On the side of the Philosophes there was at least 1 dead and 2 wounded. The last unresolved issue is the neonazi in the area of Krinks killed in the early days of the conflict. Cornhoolio claimed he was not on his side, and therefor might be counted as collateral damage. --zyckde 23:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Did he wear the NSU tag? --Cornholioo 10:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, he did not. I just killed him because I hunt nazis, NSU or non-NSU. --Martino 11:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Then why are we even questioning if he should be added to the body count, omg. --Cornholioo 14:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- I suggested to add 'm as collateral damage, read BEFORE you respond. It was a minor issue, would be worth to discuss the rest as well. Once more: the nazi should be added, he would not have died there and then if you hadn't opened hostilities. --zyckde 17:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- I did read it, I just made a little reading mistake, sorry about that. But still I have nothing to do with that guy... I don't even know him. Have you got a link to his account?
- Let me reference this page: Not only are the 22-25 million military casualties included, but also the 40-52 million civilian casualties. Even people from neutral nations are included. Said neo-nazi (Profile link, perhaps?) can in my opinion be included in the casualties, either as a civilian casualty or a non-belligerent. Infrastructure 17:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, that is true. I have counted Anton's kills and deaths as well while he is/was not in one of the groups involved. He is/was working together with them, though... while I had absolutely nothing to do with that guy. As I said: I don't even know him. I believe Anton made one wounded and got kill once. --Cornholioo 8:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- I suggested to add 'm as collateral damage, read BEFORE you respond. It was a minor issue, would be worth to discuss the rest as well. Once more: the nazi should be added, he would not have died there and then if you hadn't opened hostilities. --zyckde 17:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Then why are we even questioning if he should be added to the body count, omg. --Cornholioo 14:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, he did not. I just killed him because I hunt nazis, NSU or non-NSU. --Martino 11:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Did he wear the NSU tag? --Cornholioo 10:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Exchange of words.
Most of the quotes used in the present piece are now copies of citations selectively chosen by cornhoolio. For the sake of neutrality, the editors of the battle page might want to cite directly from here. --zyckde 23:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Needed tweak
Because this page is locked, I am posting a needed change here. Can someone please change [[Image:LURCSwelcomesNSY.PNG|frame|center|''The War Declaration.'']] to <!--Holy crap! I even made it easy to copy and paste!--> [[Image:LURCSwelcomesNSY.PNG|frame|left|''The War Declaration.'']] ? Just a small change to prevent the picture from overlapping the bar on the right. Verance 14:45, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- ...But it doesn't overlap anything. :S 18:30, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I'm personally annoyed by this. Fix, pretty please? Infrastructure 18:33, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- This is what I see. I've since fixed the link for Gkers. 18:41, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- That's.. odd. I checked in firefox - Same thing for me there. Infrastructure 18:42, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I've shrunk the image's width from 678 to 600. See if that works better. 18:47, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I think it's time to give up on this computer - There's no difference at all. Infrastructure 18:49, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I've gone to 550px but I don't really want to shrink it any lower. If an image that narrow is still taking up too much of your screen it might be down to your resolution or some other arcane sorcery. 18:54, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I give up. Still no apparent difference. Not that it mattters - As long as everybody else isn't having a problem. Infrastructure 19:00, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I see it like Infrastructure, too. --Martino 17:36, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- What browsers and versions of them are you guys using? What resolution is your monitor set to? —Aichon— 19:43, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I.. have no idea. I'm not a tech guy. I've tested with both IE and firefox, though. The latest versions. Infrastructure 19:51, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- Oh, I see what the issue is now. Yeah, you guys must have really low resolutions or else not have your browser windows very large. Simply moving the image left won't help any. I'll see if I can come up with a solution, but aside from simply shrinking the image (and as Mis pointed out, we shouldn't go any further with it), I don't see an easy fix. —Aichon— 20:15, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I.. have no idea. I'm not a tech guy. I've tested with both IE and firefox, though. The latest versions. Infrastructure 19:51, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- What browsers and versions of them are you guys using? What resolution is your monitor set to? —Aichon— 19:43, 12 April 2010 (BST)
- I've gone to 550px but I don't really want to shrink it any lower. If an image that narrow is still taking up too much of your screen it might be down to your resolution or some other arcane sorcery.
- I think it's time to give up on this computer - There's no difference at all. Infrastructure 18:49, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- I've shrunk the image's width from 678 to 600. See if that works better.
- That's.. odd. I checked in firefox - Same thing for me there. Infrastructure 18:42, 11 April 2010 (BST)
- This is what I see. I've since fixed the link for Gkers.
- I'm personally annoyed by this. Fix, pretty please? Infrastructure 18:33, 11 April 2010 (BST)
Something you all must take from this experience.
"...The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. " --Bill Hicks, the comedian's comedian.
Lets explore space brothers, lets explore space... :) --/~Rakuen~\Talk 
I Still Love Grim 02:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- *click, clack*, Still thinking about John, Jacky, still thinking about John. --Zyckde 08:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
- On second though, are you advertising Bill, are you actually..."in advertising", cause you know what Bill says about that, don't you? :p --Zyckde 08:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
What this article really needs...
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