Talk:Desu Nōto/Death Note

Huh...

Before kick off, we've already have two targets. That's interesting... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 03:11, 4 August 2011 (BST)

We should add a provision that requires info on their last known location. Malton is a big place :P       14:06, 4 August 2011 (BST)

It would be impossible to provide the location if you don't know where that person is when you're adding a name. Which is why this page might be used for reporting last known sightings of targets. Just need to decide how we're gonna set the page up. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:51, 4 August 2011 (BST)

We should also create an UDWidget list to color the Death Note targets. If anyone gives me a wish for a color, I will whip something up. -- Spiderzed█ 09:12, 13 August 2011 (BST)

I use UDTool myself. But your welcome to do so. something that would be unused would be best. hot pink? :P        14:28, 13 August 2011 (BST)

Any color is absolutely fine with me. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 15:35, 13 August 2011 (BST)

As I already use hot pink for another list, I went with white. -- Spiderzed█ 22:13, 13 August 2011 (BST)

That works. Besides anyone who use's UDTool or Widget probably already knows how to change the color.       04:16, 14 August 2011 (BST)

penguinpyro spam

Any ideas on that? For now, I have left it out of the UDW list (where peng is already covered anyway) -- Spiderzed█ 17:30, 15 August 2011 (BST)

7. When the UDID is written more than once, the one which was first filled in will take effect.

Sounds like multiple entries are allowed but all will be removed once one is fulfilled. ~ _{17:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)}

Every other entry will not be counted if the first entry has not yet been carried out. Only the first entry will be counted if there are multiple entries of the same person. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 20:23, 15 August 2011 (BST)

So do the other entries get unstruck when the first death is dealt? Otherwise, just say "multiple entries aren't allowed" because it's confusing otherwise. ~ _{20:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)}

I was thinking no, but I'll leave that up for discussion. As for the wording of the rules...Um...I claim the fact that I just rewrote most of the rules (with some minor changes) from the Death Note Manga/Anime. If you wish to reword or add something to it to make it sound a bit less confusing, go right ahead. Just no changing the meaning of the rule or adding a new rule, 'kay? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 20:45, 15 August 2011 (BST)

We should delete or archive resolved/duplicate entries. Simply striking them just clogs up the list. Speaking of which, it would be more accessible if it was alphabetical. -- Spiderzed█ 21:43, 15 August 2011 (BST)

We'll hit the archiving if the list does indeed get too long. Alphabetizing the list is a good idea, although I doubt many non-members adding to the list will know about the list being kept in alphabetical order. But again, feel free to do so. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:57, 15 August 2011 (BST)

Yeah especially considering I didn't even know the members list was supposed to be alphabetical. ~ _{21:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)}

First kill! (and tiny.cc)

I was the first to achieve an official kill :D I have also created the tinyurl http://tiny.cc/desu_noto for in-game comm. Axe, any good place to place it prominently? -- Spiderzed█ 18:41, 16 August 2011 (BST)

Maybe somewhere on the main page, I guess? It's good advertisement in-game, I won't lie about that. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:12, 16 August 2011 (BST)

Heh

Adding names on this list may turn into a full-blown war soon. Perhaps we should invest in how often one can add names to the list per week? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 22:23, 16 August 2011 (BST)

Leave it, for now at least. We get plenty of fodder to ensure plenty of kills at kick-off, so getting that thing stuffed is good. -- Spiderzed█ 22:32, 16 August 2011 (BST)

Oh shit...

I made a serious miscalculation when I added my Mudkip to the kill list. I just glanced at my Mudkip's profile and realized my Mudkip is only Lv9, and rule 5 of the Death Note states, "The Death Note will not affect those under level 10." So...How do you people want to judge this? Leave it as it is because the character's owner wrote the entry, or strike it out as per rule 5? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 05:39, 17 August 2011 (BST)

Its not that hard to gain one level. Go axe some xombz or bash barricades for a day and you got it. ~ _{05:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)}

I could technically level up now, but I was kinda hoping to save the 160-something EXP it has currently for something useful for the Manhunts. I was gonna buy those skills in a set too. >_< --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 06:17, 17 August 2011 (BST)

Well then rule of thumb, don't break any rules you wouldn't want someone else to break. If you're fine with making an exception for someone else if it comes up then go for it. I'd say you're technically lvl10 though your just are being an anal about purchasing skills. ~ _{06:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)}

Well, I was kinda hoping to purchase both Hand-To-Hand and Axe Proficiency at the same time...It seem kinda pointless to have one but not the other in my opinion...So I guess we'll leave it then since I was technically the one who added it. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 06:37, 17 August 2011 (BST)

On second thought, I reviewed all my characters, so I struck the Mudkip as an invalid entry and added another one of my characters who is a valid entry. So I guess that resolves itself. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 06:43, 17 August 2011 (BST)

A failed claim

I would like to complain to your customer service department. While the words were spoken and the flare was fired there was no sign of Yakety Sax being played in the background even though the power was on and could have facilitated a boombox. Worse though was that technically it was a death by flare rather than by fire. The fuel can was used but no fuel coated me. If one is not on fire, it hardly makes sense for Yakety Sax to be playing as there is no frantic running around. Worst is that despite all of this, since there was no fire, I still do not have my charred and blackened lab coat. I protest! If this is the sort of cut rate service you provide in the name of the death gods, I would not expect to be in business long. -- Albert Schwan  _{21:19, Sunday 28 August 2011}

Um...Complaints department, complaints department... *redirects Al to the Complaints Department of Macy's* But all silliness aside, I agree with you, Al. Spidey didn't pull off the kill properly (Even though the DN I envisioned when I was planning this didn't include carrying out the kill taunts. Basically if there's a kill taunt requested, I'll just leave that up to the DN Holder to decide whether or not they want to carry it out, but by the looks of it, we're carrying them out anyways.). For the record, let it be shown the Spidey's claim was not a valid claim as it wasn't a death by fire. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:36, 28 August 2011 (BST)

So is Albert still a target, then? ~ _{22:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)}

Yes, he is. Although I'll still state my position that saying a requested killing taunt is up to the DN Holder. It really doesn't matter to me, really. It's all up to you. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:14, 28 August 2011 (BST)

Albert is used to being a target. I have gotten rather good at it. Just don't let Herr Doktor forget the charred lab coat or you sir shall feel the sting of my pen! And as for you Macy's... *lays into the Macy's customer service agent for something about selling kitchen glassware that did not stand up to rigorous scientific use*-- Albert Schwan  _{02:10, Monday 29 August 2011}

Well you can do me a solid and don't change your pants the next time I soak them in petro. ~ _{02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)}

Where is the fun in making it easy for you? It should be enough that I am very easy to find.-- Albert Schwan  _{03:57, Monday 29 August 2011}

The doktor is not so skilled with modern weaponry so not as easy as one may think. ~ _{06:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)}

I see that, he also seems to suffer from premature flare. But thank you for the lab coat none the less.-- Albert Schwan  _{21:06, Monday 29 August 2011}

Are you saying we failed twice? Maybe it's my turn to give it a shot. Guess I gotta stock up for the future. xP --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:25, 29 August 2011 (BST)

Does this one count? -- Spiderzed█ 21:30, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Wait...Wasn't this suppose to be death by fire? >_> --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 22:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Yes it was. This is what a third fail now? Once more and I fear I may have to take my business elsewhere as per your new rule.-- Albert Schwan  _{22:41, Tuesday 30 August 2011}

As I understood it, it was death while on fire. There is no frantic running around when the only fire only starts when you are already dead. -- Spiderzed█ 22:57, 30 August 2011 (BST)

True in a manner of speaking but being gunned down while on fire is death by gun while on fire rather than death by fire. Method of death is the method of the killing blow. Besides which, once the fire has exacted its toll, it is safe to say that it has been extinguished meaning that it was technically death by gun after having been on fire. Dropping 24HP by fire, one could assume would take some time giving one ample oportunity to run around.-- Albert Schwan  _{23:21, Tuesday 30 August 2011}

We May Need to Clarify...

...A few things. The first has been laid out in the thread above this. I have stated my stand on requested kill taunts as being completely optional to pull off. Of course, I'll leave that to the DN Holders to decide. Anyways, going through the recent revision history of the Death Note, there are quite a few other things we may need to clarify. The first is Colette's addition, followed by the task from her a few minutes later. Now one look at this and it may bring up quite a bit of suspicion. I have asked Colette about this and she says she found Heather completely by luck. I have no reason not to trust her words, but I have no reason to believe her neither. To keep suspicious instances like this down to a minimum, I move that we instate a rule that a target on the Death Note cannot be claimed unless they have been up there for, oh I don't know, say, 12 hours? The next issue I'd like to bring up is Carrie's removal of her own entry. Now I'm all for removing your own entries you've added in. I'm absolutely fine with that. There's absolutely no rules stating they can't remove their own entries. I move to to add a rule clarifying this minor matter. The third thing I would like to bring up is penguin's addition of a location in the death request. I move that we disregard locations for one specific reason. If the target doesn't stay inside that location because they know they're on the Death Note, it becomes virtually impossible to perform the request. The last thing I'd like to bring up is the target's idleness. There are quite a few targets that have gone idled and crossed out on the Contacts List. I move we hold these entries for at least a month. If those characters do not come out of idleness, then we'll cross them off the Death Note. Now, since I like to take things with a democratic approach, I say we vote on these. In the respective sub-sections below, please vote either Yes or No. I'll leave this voting open until Sunday, September 4th 2011, 00:00:00 wiki time. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 20:24, 29 August 2011 (BST)

Kill Taunts are Optional

1. Yes. There is no need to be an uncivil idiot when killing someone else, even if the person who wrote it is an idiot. --Colette Hart 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
2. No. Ryuk would not stand for this. The power of the death note is an impassable force, and the mere suggestion that what is written in the death note could in any way be changed is absolutely unacceptable. The very point of the death note is that the death occurs, as written in the note, and exactly as written in the note. If I write in the note that Bobby pegleg will be killed after hearing the words "I can't let you do that star fox", then it will be an inevitable fact that he shall hear the words "I can't let you do that star fox", exactly like that. It doesn't matter who says them, it could be him, it could be the killer, it could be a random bystander. But it is an undeniable force of motion that he will be killed after hearing those words. Anything else about his death may still be up to question, but that fact is undeniable. And if this group is even a vague representation of a true death note, then that needs to hold true. It needs to be that the person does hear those words before they die. Obviously there should be an exception for text rape, because that shit's repugnant, but anything short of that should be carried out in as strict a manner as possible. Think about the ramifications if one of Light's killings hadn't gone off exactly as he wrote it in the death note. he could easily have been caught, captured or killed by one of his pursuers. And for the sake of upholding the ideals that you set out when you created this group, you really need to stick to your guns and stick to the fundamentals of what is death note. The kill should take place exactly as written in the death note, in case there are extremely aggravating circumstances. That means the words as well.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)

   This coming from someone who said on my talk page and DN's talk page that they'll stop at nothing to destroy everyone in this group. xD --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 22:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)

3. Yes There should be no compulsion to act out tasteless taunts, nor should they make someone invulnerable. -- Spiderzed█ 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
4. Yes Though I will like carry out all but the most rediculous.~ _{03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)}

Entries May Not Be Carried Out Unless They Have Been on the Death Note for 12 Hours

1. Yes. Although I was the one who started this stuff (and I insist, it was a serendipitous encounter), I admit that it can be subject to abuse. --Colette Hart 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
2. Yes --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
3. Yes -- Spiderzed█ 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
4. Yes ~ _{03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)}

Allow Removal of Own Entries

1. Yes. In case I regret about writing a name, I'd like to have the option of undoing it. --Colette Hart 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
2. No - So is it written, so must it be done.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
3. No -- Spiderzed█ 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
4. Yes As we've seen, its sometimes desirable. ~ _{03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)}

Locations in Requests will be Disregarded

1. Yes. It makes kills more difficult. The target can simply move away to invalidate the kill. --Colette Hart 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
2. Yes "Bus" should be the only valid location.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
3. Yes -- Spiderzed█ 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
4. Yes ~ _{03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)}
5. Yes Make them optional. If the DN holders want the extra style points they can try to get them in location.        14:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Idled Characters will be Removed After One Month

1. Yes. For the sake of maintaining the list clear. --Colette Hart 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
2. Yes One month may be overkill though. Just remove them when they become MIA on the contacts system. 2 months without login is dead enough.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
3. No Maybe archive them somewhere, but don't remove them. -- Spiderzed█ 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
4. No As Spidey. ~ _{03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)}
5. No As Spider. Archive them somewhere.        14:15, 30 August 2011 (BST)

A question about griefers

Is there any rule to prevent griefers like this one to doing things like this? --Colette Hart 21:31, 29 August 2011 (BST)

Uh...Let's deal with the above issues first. If this issue you're bringing up becomes highly abused, we'll do something about that as well. But for now, it really isn't too highly abused. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 21:42, 29 August 2011 (BST)

Not too highly abused? That griefer is posting the names of all my alts with very insulting taunts. I call that highly abusive. --Colette Hart 21:55, 29 August 2011 (BST)

It's not a full blown war yet... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 22:03, 29 August 2011 (BST)

It seems the problem has been resolved in a civil way. Still, there should be a rule to prevent mass-addition of names. Maybe one per day would be sufficient. --Colette Hart 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Already been done

Raven Corvus - Killed after hearing the words, "Ahlek owns you!" has already been done [1] Something more original and maybe a tad more truthful would be quite refreshing. --Raven Corvus 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)

"Note to all Death Note Holders: If you claim a kill, strike out the target's name and place a screenshot of the kill next to it." Maybe you should add it to the Resolved list? --Colette Hart 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)

That guy's not on the DN Holder list though... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 05:12, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Considering we're basically open to anyone I'd say as long as the requirements are met their membership doesn't matter in fulfilling the note.       14:11, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Death Note and Manhunts

Quick point - using the death note against a fellow manhunter would obviously violate the rules of many manhunts (particularly the "You may not enlist the help of anyone not involved in this Manhunt" standard rule). During manhunts, what are you guys going to do about participating characters who are on the list? For example, Alex is on the list, and he'll probably be fairly easy to find during Red October, but will you temporarily disallow kills to keep in the spirit of manhunts?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 00:30, 31 August 2011 (BST)

Its no different than having a bounty on RG and participating in a manhunt IMO. As long as none of the Deso Noto member's alts are particapating in the manhunt I don't see too much of a conflict. Maybe having your location listed would be a bad thing but still isn'tquite a violation of enlisting outside help per se. ~ _{01:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)}

^What he said.^ --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:32, 31 August 2011 (BST)

I believe that the jerk good friend Hack has arranged the RG to be neutral during previous Manhunts events. I may be wrong, though. Anyway, comparing the DN to a bounty in the RG would not be correct in my opinion. A character won't have a bounty unless he/she makes a kill and someone reports it. But in the DN, practically anyone can write the name of a participant, out of spite or not, even if he/she is not a participant. I don't need to be a PKer to have my name written down, as that idiot good fellow did. If it is a direct violation to the rules, I don't think so. But for good sportsmanship, I say it should be restricted. Just my humble opinion. --Colette Hart 04:01, 31 August 2011 (BST)