Talk:Revivification Point/Redesign

Discuss my ideas for the change. I may create a page to start making the changes and allow people to see what it would look like. Pillsy ^FT 16:30, 16 October 2006 (BST)

Haven't we already gone through this? There is no doubt that changes need to be made. The question is, by whom and when? Let's do this already. --Ablesentinel 22:32, 16 October 2006 (BST)

There is no doubt indeed, but a page as established as the revive point needs to be discussed in the community first. Also I need time to create the template system the way the suburb map or mobile phone mast works. Could probably start that and see how it goes but I thought this page was needed so the ideas could be a joint effort. Pillsy ^FT 22:50, 16 October 2006 (BST)

• Also, thanks for fixing my spelling errors. Pillsy ^FT 22:55, 16 October 2006 (BST)

This goes along with out-dated inactive group pages. I came across a discussion about it somewhere. It seems users are well intentioned and add all kinds of entries when they start. But many users fail to maintain them. They also fail to remove/delete entries after their interest fades or the entry itself becomes incorrect and useless. It seems the obvious solution would be to devise a system that registers the last time an entry point is checked. But I don't know enough about HTML and codes to say that would even work. After reading many discussion pages and the Wiki forum, I seriously doubt that you will receive much response here. Oh well, I'll stay tuned and we'll see what happens. One question though; Had you already begun working on redesign prior to my first post on the Revive Point page? --Ablesentinel 06:35, 17 October 2006 (BST)

No, it was you who inspired me. Don't worry, you will get credit for inspiring me to create the page and do the redesign, I wasn't going to steal all the thunder. I am working on it now, I have created the Map Legend which is based off the MalTel map legend. I feel I know enough wiki stuff to do it but I was just gonna see if a reponse was gathered so after a few weeks I'll apply the changes and if it conflicts with anything then at least I warned them. Pillsy ^FT 09:11, 17 October 2006 (BST)

• The YRC has been a little lax in keeping up to date on the revive page; Thats probably an organizational fault on our end as well. But these new redesigns seem nice; What really is needed is organizing all the revive people listed to update from time to time. Perhaps reminding them on their talk when they forget or go 'unknown' really WOULD help? --MorthBabid 16:20, 17 October 2006 (BST)

  You damn right it would help and that's what I'm planning to do. I would probably do like a 48 hours notice that it is going to be changed to unknown and then a 48 notice that it is going to be removed. Pillsy ^FT 22:10, 17 October 2006 (BST)

  Via their group Talk section, I assume?--MorthBabid 23:25, 18 October 2006 (BST)

  Thats exactly the way I'm thinking of doing it. Pillsy ^FT 10:13, 19 October 2006 (BST)

Additional suggestions

Thank you very much for picking up this project!!!

Here's a few quick suggestions:

• I really like the use of colors for the status on the page - it really makes it stand out.
• I still prefer cell borders. A lot. Particularly since the modified/comments cell can vary in size so much, the borders make it easier to associate and read the cells in the line. A perfectly acceptable alternative would be alternating background colors, but I know noway to implement that in a wiki.
• I'd started working on an idea for remodeling the list a while ago. My main goal was adding entries in such a manner that there were TOC entries for RP's, to help find places more quickly. See the List of Revivification Points page for my initial experiments. Altenate versions would just be headings for sections of the alphabet, such that 4-5 suburbs are in each section.
• Also in that experimental work I put the time-stamp in a separate cell to make it more distinguishable from non-update comments sigs.
• Consider using that page for the list, to separate the list from the RP page.
• I don't think the SGP violators should be listed on the RP point. They should be listed on the SGP page or on a page dedicated to listing RP violators. There certainly could be a link to that list/page though of course.
• Please post a note on my discussion page when there is consensus on a final format for the redesign and allow me a few days to get the message and update the list parser for the RRT's RP database.
• Please consider using the established colors or a close variant. I can change the ones used on the RRT to match regardless, but I'd prefer some consistency in the transition.

And hey, I don't get any props at all for all the original text I added?!? ;P

Thanks again for all the work you're putting in to making these badly needed updates!!! --Gilant ^talk|DEM 02:07, 18 October 2006 (BST)

Thanks for your comments. I know what you're saying about cell format, I'm trying to get that working at the moment although it took me 6 hours to get to the stage I was at last night so I left that for now but it is needed, I'll look into sorting that over the next few days. Also about the colours, I've looked at the ones of the DEM tool and the only colour I cannot find is for inoperative/inactive but it will be easy enough to change the other colours. As I have stated so far I'm just doing all this so people get an idea of what I'm doing so thanks for coming to post. Pillsy ^FT 09:14, 18 October 2006 (BST)

A futher note, having the timestamp in a seperate column would force me to add an extra column on all of the 3 templates which is an awful lot of work when it can be included in the last update column. I've changed the colours for the map legend...

active

slow

inactive

dangerous

unknown

I think it's better the have dangerous as red as its an easier colour to spot and is associated with danger. I've changed the unknown so it matches the DEM grey, I think that is better than blue anyway. Your kudos shall be added to the credit section, I'll mention you're original page. Pillsy ^FT 11:30, 18 October 2006 (BST)

NP - I figured their would be some changes; I just reused the colors vasi had set for the map. I was just looking for some continuity in the changeover. Red is sensible for dangerous as well, so go with it. On thar thought, is there a specific reason to change Inoperative to inactive?

As for the borders, I'll try to look at the template later today to see if I can suggest a way to add borders in nice way as part of the tempate. As an alternate, could we just have people put the template 'rows' in a table so there are row borders at least? For the timestamps, leave them as is then, NBD - your volunteering to monitor them. ;)

I noticed someone else mentioned multiple sections. Please add the ideas for multiple sections on the bottom of the List of Revivification Points page for discussion. I'd like to know what you think of those options. [sorry if any of this is unclear - I broke my arm the other day and am on serious pain killers] --Gilant ^talk|DEM 14:43, 18 October 2006 (BST)

• Ok, as you may see I have made some changes, the most recent ones being changing the line colour so it alternates from white to a sorta yellow colour each line so you can tell the difference between one line and another. Also I have added a section for a timestamp to keep it seperate from the update. Pillsy ^FT 09:21, 19 October 2006 (BST)
• Also I forgot to mention why I have picked inactive over inoperative. My main thinking behind it is you have active & inactive, operative & inoperative, since active is already the norm I thought inactive was easier. Personal opinion mind you, if people prefer inoperative then it is easy to change. Pillsy ^FT 10:13, 19 October 2006 (BST)

I like the changes. Inactive does sound better. Keep up the good work! -Ablesentinel 15:13, 20 October 2006 (BST)

How about adding another column to the table, with a link to the revive tool's list of requests for the particular location? It's in a whole bunch of comments right now, and it'd look better that way, imo. --Daranz^{. talk . mod .} 13:25, 21 October 2006 (BST)

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I'm looking at that but it takes a long time to add an additional column. Also the table has 6 columns already so I think a 7th could be one too many. Pillsy ^FT 10:16, 23 October 2006 (BST)

The coords could be linked to it instead. Or a separate link next to coords, if you want to leave the coords for something else (like a map). --Daranz^{. talk . mod .} 17:47, 24 October 2006 (BST)

Interesting, I never though of it like that...That's a fantastic idea so I think I'll look at doing that. You shall get some Kudos too. Pillsy ^FT 10:26, 25 October 2006 (BST)

Additional RPs

The new page looks fantastic. The work you've put in on this really shows. There is another RP in Havercroft, the cemetery at [31,47]. It's apparently managed by MFU, with Ackland Mall Security pitching in. We were just hit damn hard by a big horde called Shacknews, so from the looks of things I would call it "dangerous" today, but revives are generally within 24 hours.

Also several of the suburbs have no listed RPs on the table. How can one add already existing revive points to the table? --Marie^{The Grove} 14:25, 21 October 2006 (BST)

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I've added a section on how you would create a new revive point on the list. I admit it is long winded but is fairly easy to follow though aslong as you know how to use the wiki. I think the explanation is detailed enough but if you think I've missed anything. Pillsy ^FT 10:02, 23 October 2006 (BST)

You weren't joking when you said it was complex :) Well it was partly my fault as I didn't seem to know my alphabet or read all of the steps but I can't get the revive point I added to update. I tryed formatting it like the rest of the revive point updates are but it won't work for me. I presume I'm doimg something wrong then- you do update it on the front page don't you? --Marie^{The Grove} 11:11, 25 October 2006 (BST)

You hadn't done much wrong. I've fixed it although I'll post a better explanation on the main page on how to add a revive point. I'm not very good at wording what I'm thinking so it will be up later as I'm busy at work too. Don't worry though, you nearly had it.Pillsy ^FT 11:29, 25 October 2006 (BST)

Cheers. I'll have another go at adding some more later, can't be any harder than the last one now. --Marie^{The Grove} 11:58, 25 October 2006 (BST)

Well I've re-written it. It took some effort and I just need to re-write how to update the status. Hope you find it alot easier to understand. Pillsy ^FT 19:08, 25 October 2006 (BST)

Thanks for doing that :) I'll go along and add revive points in some of the suburbs and go through the suburb pages. I siad I'd help out with this project, on Current Projects but I've been busy with dull educational stuff. What can I be of help in? --Marie^{The Grove} 20:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well as you may have noticed I have changed it back to original layout. There was alot of issues with the new format and I am currently creating it again using a new template that Daranz created. It's alot easier to add or remove them with the new one so hopefully I'll get it up and running by the end of the week. Pillsy ^FT 11:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I messed up

Well I screwed up, as Max Grivas point out I didn't really think through the suburb codes as revive points change so much. I need a system that works so if anyone has any ideas that that would be great as I spent so long creating this my mind is kind og burnt out, also that and I was involved in a car crash over the weekend. So ideas people, help me! Pillsy ^FT 09:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I came up with: User_talk:Daranz/Sandbox/RPTableEntry. That's the page with the final table. You can view source to trace back what I did. Basically, each entry gets it's own template, and these templates have to be arranged alphabetically by hand. The templates feature variable names for easier editing, and the updater does not have to edit any tables directly. While it's closer to what the original table was, I think it's also easier, and cleaner. Tell me what you think. --Daranz^{. talk . mod .} 13:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thats fucking awesome, much easier like you say. Ill look at making a full table now. Pillsy ^FT 16:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

That does indeed very nicely implement the individual RPs as a single template, making it much easier for users to add & update their RPs. This leaves just one last technical hurdle - Pillsy's alternating background colors for distinguishing rows. We can not expect someone adding an RP to edit every row in that long table below their new one to adjust the backgrounds (even=). It may work if we broke things into small sections of 3-8 RPs. Is there a more elegant solution however? Or do wee need to consider dropping the background alteration and just use row borders for now? I like the current look better if it can be done in an easy to maintain manner. --Gilant ^talk|DEM 14:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I was considering breaking it down into small sections. I'll have to look into that to see what could be done about it. There is alot of revive points so I was thinking maybe alphabetical or even putting groups of suburbs together. Pillsy ^FT 09:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion

My suggestion would be to organize the RP status page like the status setup on the Mobile Phone Mast page. It contains both a text listing and a graphical map. Asheets 17:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)