User talk:Nubis

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	Katthew For Sysop
	This user demands change and a return to common sense. Vote Katthew! We will stop at nothing to promote her.

me said:

Be nicer!

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Please do not vandalize pages on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked. This is a dumb thing to get a warning for. You are getting on my shit list with every time you click save page. --– Nubis 03:42, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Last one out turn off the lights. 

-- Nubis

*Click*

LEFT 4 WIKI

The wiki is very much a survival horror experience itself. I noticed the parallels to one of my favorite games and had to share.

Iscariot is the WITCH. Sits there on his talk page whining and crying, grunting and huffing when anyone comes near him. If you "startle" him he leaps on you viciously tearing at you with wiki lawyering claws. (He is probably doing most of this in his underwear, too.)

Katthew is the greatest Boomer that ever lived. She vomits obscenities and hordes of goons run to the scene trolling and ranting. Since she has gone inactive the baby Boomer would have to be J3D. Fail to knock him back and he spews nonsense and summons his clan which litter the area with gibberish and LOLS.

Karek is the Hunter. Lurking around making valid posts randomly (as his hunter shrieks) then leaping in with a vicious attack that is sharp and to the point often knocking down any opposition.

Hagnat is the Smoker. Dancing around getting tangled up in random problems. Instead of a hacking cough, you can recognize him by his "English" and poor spelling.

Nubis seems to be the Tank if you look at A/M. Going around doing whatever I want and throwing walls of text at those that oppose me. I can't let things drop and I often don't wear a shirt.

Boxy is Bill the grizzled vet. Probably does wear a beret.

Rosslessness is Louis. Just a normal guy trying to make it through the day and not get hurt by some idiot using a Molotov at close range.

Cyberbob is Francis. Rebel by nature and probably does dress like a member of the Village People in a little leather vest.

Conndraka is Zoey. Just because the DHPD were all little girls. :P

Sysop Shit

Joy

Damn it... I thought we had this choriographed where we'd be in the ring at the same time for a 40 count until the reff noticed...ahh well. A little S/M on the A/M again... besides I was starting to feel left out. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:41, 15 April 2009 (BST)

Hungry?

You ate the categories (disambiguation pages) :( --Janus ^talk 20:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Yeah ... I took it off when I fixed all the links so that I could tell it was done. Then I sort of misplaced the ones I removed it from.... So, uh, yeah. I need a better way to indicate that all of the internal links were repaired. :/ --– Nubis ^NWO 21:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Is your WIZARDS group, still active.

I have no idea what this headline is about but feel free to comment under it. --– Nubis ^NWO 12:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Complaints

Not happy? If it is sysop related it goes above this, by the way. Hope you have a sense of humor.

Misconduct's Greatest Hits

Remember that you are under a microscope and wiki lawyers lurk. You are getting on the shit list with every time you click save page.

Just wondering..

..who are Cheese and the other sysops in L4D? (Just noticed that you have a comment below this large ass box :) )

I'm not sure... Those all just popped in my head. Actually, there are a few cool "wiki castings" I have seen and thought about expanding. I "liked" the Et Tu, Nubis? discussion. Mod Conspiracy or wiki monitors or something like that was really good at this. --– Nubis ^NWO 00:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Can I be on it if I give you a cookie? =) -- Cheese 01:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

In Memoriam De

I figured they didn't exist for some reason, apparently. I can't recall what. Also, there are some pages Mrh?ing in A/MR. _■^■ 06:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm leaving this because I love that last part.--– Nubis ^NWO 12:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Srs Question

When did I become the "golden boy of the sysop team"? That's quite the 180 from when I was "Grim Jr." or more recently when I was Marcus Karekius. Something is wrong here, something isn't quite right. Iscariot has stolen all of the hate, there's none left for the uppity, loud mouthed, egalitarians like me. It's just not fair.

And on that note, when did Boxy and me get classified as bestest buds? When did Conndraka start to be reasonable like again? I must know how these people that I've argued with more than anyone else got marked as my wiki fave five.--Karek^maps?! 06:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was after Monica got amnesia and Raul came back from being kidnapped by Canadians.

Seriously though, you became the "golden boy" because unlike Grim you can present your logical arguments without derision and spelling errors. You were only Grim Jr. because while he was often the most logical side he was also the least agreeable. You are consistently on the right side of most if not all cases. Actually, with the exception of banning Katthew I think you have always made good decisions or at least made decisions. (And that's why in hindsight I can totally understand the Katthew thing, but at the time that was the wrong move politically). And I know you can see that after the shit storm that was GoonMania.

Boxy had a period (after Grim was promoted, but before Boxy was "demoted") where his judgment seemed very flaky or cloudy at best. I attribute it to slight burnout and annoyance at the goons actually succeeding in voting in the least suitable candidate with a sweeping majority (IIRC). That would piss me off, too. (And I won't apologize for the Goons. I love them).

I wouldn't say you and Boxy are "bestest buds" because I don't think you two "bond" that well. I just think you are both able (now) to make decisions that while they might seem "bad" in the short term actually are the best in the long run. I don't think it will last. But as long as you are both on the same sides of an issue I see him as a good ally and nice foil for you.

I found Conndraka was almost always a reasonable person deep down inside, but like myself he wants to win and be right and enjoyed the "politics" (back in the day). I think the DHPD/The Dead of Dunell Hills workaround was a masterstroke of cunning, but it pissed me off to no end. Once he stopped identifying himself as DHPD's sysop (in actions) he became a good guy that makes decisions and has a spine or balls (which ever organ is the greater compliment).

I would hope that I am on your fave five. Since I seem to be Misconduct's Poster Boy I can hardly be one of the good guys though. I'll try not to drag you down with me when I go :) I also know that while I mostly look out for myself (hey, gotta be honest) I will throw myself into whatever cause I feel is right. Which if I am on your "side" is a good thing and if I am not is a bad thing. So, be prepared for that should it come up.

I notice that Hag is missing from this inquiry. Here's what I will say about him. Things that he is "passionate" about he will try his damnedest on to get a resolution even if he doesn't know what he needs resolved. Things that he doesn't think really affect him he couldn't care less about. It's a self-centered approach, but I can't fault him on it. It is just frustrating trying to get him to "care" and act on something that he is, well, "meh" about. I don't think Cheese is really a moron, even though I have called him that. I just think he doesn't see the Big Picture. Not everyone can. You can't teach someone how to see it either. They have to find something that makes them stop and see what the chain reaction will be. He doesn't see the ripples. Again, it's frustrating like Hag, but in a different way.

I have no comment on The General or Thari because I haven't seen enough of them to form a half assed bias opinion. :)

Anyone else? --– Nubis ^NWO 14:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Everyone? :) -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

*ehem*

Misconduct Review, you going to put up for a vote? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

No way in Hell am I putting that up until we have a policy to get rid of problem reporters. But thank you for thinking of me. --– Nubis ^NWO 20:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Uranium

BOMBS--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 03:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Your newish user page.

The Karek quote made me sad, but the "Thank You for Your Imput" part made me laff!--SirArgo ^Talk 19:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

That quote is sad. It's a shame the forces of pettiness got to him and that the retarded wiki lawyers once again can roam free. --– Nubis ^NWO 22:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, hello! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

AHLG, I've vaguely been following that. I like the link/response you put to my comment on there, but honestly, I don't think a civility policy is the answer. I think a moderation system is the way to go only because a policy can't force people to participate in conflict resolution. This place isn't that "wild west" but the sysops have no real way to deal with conflicts that don't include vandalism yet are still very disruptive. And if someone is being disruptive and the aggressor there is no way to "stop" them if they aren't trashing pages.

If possible, a workable definition of harassment needs to be added to the vandalism descriptions. However, any definition can't include a solid number and therefore will still be open to interpretation by..well..moderators.--– Nubis ^NWO 21:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I think the idea was to change/create a new system where there would be a set of "moderators" (or whatever). Read through this part, where there would be evidence and discussion after which it would be ruled upon. In a way that the "accused" can't just decline and go on his way. I suppose it's like A/VB, except exchange vandalism with things like harassment and incivility.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

God help me, I have recently discovered the delicious crack called Recent Changes... Just to add a little to what Gnome said, harrassment is included in the draft civility policy, and yes, you're right that cases (those that aren't dealt with by some kind of prior mediation) are going to be arbitrated by fallible human beings. But surely some human beings on this wiki are capable of rational, unbiased judgement. The bottom line is that, without an enforced policy that checks harrassment and rampant incivility, then harassment and rampant incivility will continue unchecked. This is not behavior that falls (or should fall) under vandalism, IMO. Being a dick is not vandalism. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 21:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

But surely some human beings on this wiki are capable of rational, unbiased judgement. Good luck getting 2 people to agree on who that would be. Being an extreme dick is the very definition of vandalism "a not good faith edit that does not improve or contribute to the wiki". --– Nubis ^NWO 02:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, we'll never find out how the votes would come out unless there's actually a vote. You know about this shit, at least come tell us what you would do. Also, if "an edit not made in a good-faith attempt to improve this wiki" is vandalism, then half the posts on this wiki are vandalism, and punishment should be enforced across the board. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 16:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

What I would do would be exactly what I said: Go to an all moderation format. If this wiki was just the basic information (Skills do this, buildings have this, here's some math on hitting things etc.) then the system we have would be perfect. But we also have groups, buildings, a generated history, and users posting as their character. This means more "rivalry", egos, and potential flaming. You can't just Admin to all that. If you could, you wouldn't need arbitration because everything would be black and white. Moderation doesn't have to be as "involved" and controlling as people would make it seem. It would be less wiki lawyering and more accepting personal responsibility if your actions proved disruptive. --– Nubis ^NWO 13:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

And if you wanted to come up with a fairish way to pick the mods instead of instantly porting over all the sysops then post another Do you trust this sysop? page and let the sysops give a brief statement (like a promotions bid) and any Againsts that are purely "personality conflict" can be counted as a half vote since it isn't about whether you like the person, but rather that you think they could be fair. Being fair is completely different from following policy. As annoying as it is sometimes the policy is wrong and to follow it would be unfair and those are the situations that test a person. --– Nubis ^NWO 22:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

So in this moderation format, there would be no more arbitration? Or arbitration would stand as it is now but it would rule only on edit disputes? And how many moderators would your system need? Would they all be sysops? And if these moderators did exist, wouldn't they need some guidelines (a policy, say) by which to moderate? Or they would would just go around making personal calls on what is disruptive/abusive behavior and what isn't? I'm trying to get an idea of what a new system would look like (could you tell?), as that seems to be the direction most people are going... --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 02:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration would be content only and decided by a jury. One person should not have complete control over disputes on creative content. Personal disputes wouldn't belong there. The number depends on activity levels and coverage. Not tons but then more than 3.

I don't think you understand what I mean by moderation. I mean less red tape. Restructure VB so that the punishment ladder isn't so rigid. Change the term "ban" to "probation" unless it is a perma-ban. Let the sysops/mods (whatever they are called) actually exercise powers without pointless red tape because you trust their judgment.

As far as a policy goes just adapt this. It keeps the goons in check. It should work otherplaces.

Countdown to this paragraph being linked/quoted as evidence I clearly want to rule this wiki. --– Nubis ^NWO 07:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed.--– Nubis ^NWO 20:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting new signature! Look, thanks much for all the input on this. I think you're right about arbitration and have argued as much, but naturally everyone has different opinions. It seems like people do want a new system for personal disputes, and I did totally use the SA link to come up with a user conduct draft, which I think is less hardcore than the previous civil conduct draft. Maybe it will be useful, maybe not. Ciao. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 19:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

lawl

j2d is completely off the rails it's glorious --Cyberbob 11:35, 1 April 2009 (BST)

watch this.--– Nubis ^NWO 11:36, 1 April 2009 (BST)

with bated breath --Cyberbob 11:39, 1 April 2009 (BST)

it's... beautiful ;_; --Cyberbob 11:42, 1 April 2009 (BST)

thx ^_^--– Nubis ^NWO 11:45, 1 April 2009 (BST)

say... you wouldn't happen to know how to make an image link to a page other than its own, would you? -- Cyberbob 11:57, 1 April 2009 (BST)

sry. katthew and i tried to get her image to link and it wouldn't work for us. --– Nubis ^NWO 09:58, 2 April 2009 (BST)

Your sig...

...is illegal. Fix it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:59, 1 April 2009 (BST)

And yours hurts my eyes. What's not to like?--Thadeous Oakley 20:20, 1 April 2009 (BST)

Scratch that. Both of your sigs are giving me a headache now.--Thadeous Oakley 20:44, 1 April 2009 (BST)

Gone

I've left the Wiki for now. I'm sick and tired of the drama and the people. Keep fighting the good fight, alright?--SirArgo ^Talk 01:26, 8 April 2009 (BST)

I'm sorry you are gone, but I completely understand. I'll keep the A/M archive up to date for you so you can catch up when you return. :) -Trusted Users Nubis

yay Cyberbob 10:09, 8 April 2009 (BST)

Naming yourself the Tank

How modest of you. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) OFFLINE 02:50, 8 April 2009 (BST)

yes, the joke is so very subtle in that comment. It has also been on my page for months. You aren't on the cutting edge here with your quips. --– Nubis ^NWO 03:26, 8 April 2009 (BST)

I guess I don't venture round your neck of the woods often. If you'd like, I'll change my walking route to allow for some Nubis time :) D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) OFFLINE 03:36, 8 April 2009 (BST)

And when I originally saw the Tank call on your talk page before I had my holiday, I hadn't played L4D. Now I have, I finally understand it all. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) OFFLINE 03:38, 8 April 2009 (BST)