Talk:Suggestions/archive24
 |
Archive Page |
| This page is an archive page of Talk:Suggestions. Please do not add comments to it. If you wish to discuss the Suggestions page do so at Talk:Suggestions. |
Further Discussion
Brainstorming Thread On Pking
This long-running debate has been moved to a new, non-archive, page. The length of the debate keeps breaking the templates on this page, which is why it's been moved. Please feel free to carry on the debate on the new page.
Policy Discussion
This area is for formal discussion of policy changes for the suggestions page, as per the Voting Guidelines.
Every New Suggestion On Its Own Page
I propose we put every new suggestion on its own page, and link to it from the main suggestions page. This way we can use categories to organise the suggestions. This is a much, much easier way to archive the suggestions because it saves a lot of cutting and pasting, and the wiki will automatically do some of the work for you. For those of you unfamiliar with categories, if you want to put a page into the Guides category, say, then you put [[Category:Guides]] on the page, and the wiki will automatically add it to the contents page at Category:Guides. A page can be in multiple categories at once. All we would have to do to cycle a suggestion to peer reviewed is add [[Category:Peer reviewed]] to the page. This is much easier than the current system, and it allows us to keep the votes attached to the suggestions.
Links to suggestions would stay on the main suggestions page for the full 2 weeks. This wouldn't make the page any bigger than it normally is because a link takes up so much less room on the page than a complete suggestion does. New suggestion links would be submitted at the top, to reduce the scrolling to get to the newest links.
This would mean the Previous days suggestions page would change. It would become solely an archive rather than being an archive and a place to vote on suggestions as it is at the minute.
It'd be no bother to categorise fresh peer rejected suggestions as well. This would be useful because then if you're thinking of making a suggestion you can see what things have made similar suggestions fail in the past.
I think the best categories to use (in addition to peer reviewed, undecided, and rejected) are the groupings already used to order peer reviewed.
If a suggestion gets spammed or duped, its link on the main page gets struck out. If its a dupe, it gets removed from any categories its been put into.
At the same time as we're doing this, we should ask Kevan for a suggestions namespace, because it would allow us to search through previous suggestions far more easily. We wouldn't move the old suggestions into the new namespace, but we would put all new suggestions in there.
Comments? --Toejam 15:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC) clarity edit23:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Whilst it would be a lot of work, it might make sense (if this is implemented) to map all the Peer Reviewed suggestions to the new format. But I'm not doing it. Heh. --Funt Solo
16:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Make it so, the amount of time you guys put into cycling suggestions is frightening -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 05:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Sounds alright, a bit of a pain switching between the pages. However it would certainly make shifting things around easier. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 05:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
If we are going to go this way we should consider using the suggestions system (or something similar) that I designed (The SW database is a bit dead at the moment for some reason, so it may not show up). Basically it's the idea that Toejam described in his first comment. Each suggestion has it's own page which you can discuss on and what not. The pages are composed of the suggestions name-space, the day, the month, and the year, as well as the suggestions name. Most of it's done automatically by a template so it's (for the most part) user friendly. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 03:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- So how does it work over there Jedaz? Any problems? How big is the Scroll Wars wiki, compared to here? -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 02:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- For the most part it works well. You have two templates, one that goes onto the main suggestions page, and one the goes onto the the new suggestions page. There are only two issues that I have seen so far.
- The first is if someone creates the suggestions page and then changes the name/time stamp on the first template, which then changes the page that it points to. As of such that page that was created needs to be moved and then deleted.
- The other issue that I've experienced is that sometimes people fill in the date field with ~~~~~ instead of {{Subst:CURRENTDAY}}-{{Subst:CURRENTMONTHABBREV}}-{{Subst:CURRENTYEAR}} which ends up making ugly page names.
- However the pros that I've seen over the current system that we have are
- The suggestions take up less space on the main page.
- It's easier to categorise and group suggestions.
- It's eliminates the need to cycle suggestions.
- However the Scrollwars wiki is significantly smaller userwise by about a 1 to 80 ratio. I think that it would be worthwhile to take a look at the system and extract some ideas from it just even to get a general feel of what has to be done to make it work. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 06:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- The system of two templates seems to be a good one. There's a few adaptations I would like to make if we were going use it here. First I'd make the first template shorter by only having a link and a brief description so that we can fit more templates onto the main page without it breaking. The other thing I'd change is the dates would be in the form 2007-Feb-10 rather than the more normal 10-Feb-2007 because it means that when the category contents page puts all its links into alphabetical order, all the suggestions from the same month of the same year will be grouped together. --Toejam 00:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- For the most part it works well. You have two templates, one that goes onto the main suggestions page, and one the goes onto the the new suggestions page. There are only two issues that I have seen so far.
Its a damn good idea, but would be a hell of a lot of work to put into effect on already reviewed suggestions. Though that would be quite useful for not just peer-reviewed, but also rejected / undecided, etc. Maybe its something that could be enacted for present suggestions, then worked through on past suggestions as people decide to work on them, with some guides as to how to avoid duplicated effort, some templates to speed up the transfers, etc. --Swiers X:00 21:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I meant to say it would be only for new suggestions. I've clarified the proposal to actually say that. Though if anyone wants to go through the archives and change the pages, all power to them. --Toejam 23:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
How about just encouraging folks to put their suggestion (the entire modified template) on its own page, and then let them include the suggestion text (via curly brackets) on the suggestion page? I'm not sure what that would do in terms of voting edits (there may need to be a "click this link to edit / vote" thingy) but it sure as heck would make the cut'n'paste cycling easier, because each suggestion (if done this way) would only take up one line. No change to indexing, cycling, etc for now, but if such indexing is ever desired, the potential would be there. Basically, this amounts to handling each suggestion as a template (any page can be treated this way) instead of as a large block of text that gets moved around with c'n'p. --S.Wiers X:00 01:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- This is getting ridiculous. There are now 3 different pages scattered about, all about this same issue. I will to do some ruthless housekeeping if it is not cleaned up. Thanks--SporeSore 14:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Dupe Debate
Archived to keep page from breaking--SporeSore 16:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Policy Votes
This area is for formal policy votes concerning the suggestions page. All policies, along with their associated votes and discussions, are governed by the Voting Guidelines established for this section.
Make Suggestions Their Own Pages
Edit:
- Thanks, enough no votes- I get the picture. I'm sure the basic concept is sound, but I'm damned if I want to hammer out every detail. I'm pulling the suggestion for revision / major downsizing. --S.Wiers X:00 00:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
SUGGESTION PULLED BY AUTHOR, suggestion text and votes / replies archived at user: swiers: Make Suggestions Their Own Pages --S.Wiers X:00 00:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
