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Viva La Revolucion vs. Darkmagic, aka Jakezing, aka Covex, aka Whatever else he calls himself

This is all pretty straightforward. The user has been posting on our talk page with annoying, horribly spelt comments. His first post was basically an order to our group to change our name, since "There gonan make what im trying ot do look bad so fuck off" (There being They're, They're being my group). Admittedly, it's a perfectly logical greivance, but there is really not alot we can do about it, as we aren't about to change our name. Besides not being able or willing to change our name, his edit managed to break a few of the simple and clear rules we’ve made for posting on our talk page. Because of this, I asked him to either come back when he decided to obey these rules, or leave us alone.

Now, in attempting to be fair here, I’d have to say his next edit was probably just an accident. Red Rum had approached us about business and whatnot, and he’d replied, apparently thinking it was his group’s talk page, which would have really been fine, and pretty fricken’ funny, had he just realized his mistake and gone away, but he decided to come back and reply to everyone who pointed out the mistake, once again breaking the rules. I warned him a final time, and he posted what I consider to be a comment showing that he has no plans to leave us alone.

Perhaps this is not enough for a case, since I’m aware that I can simply delete his comments, but having dealt with this individual before in the NMC forums, I’ve learned that unless you forcibly get rid of him, he will never go away (I believe he’s been IP banned from there twice). Really, I don’t see any problem with anyone posting on our talk page, so long as they stick to the rules, but since I have very strong doubts as to his ability to do this and not cause an intense amount of drama, I’d like to see an arbitration ruling that will force him and his puppet accounts to leave our group alone for good.

We’d be willing to accept any arbiter except Suicidal Angel, since he’s already biased against Darkmagic, and I want it to be a fair ruling to prevent bitching. :) I hope I've done all this right, I'm new to this.--Screw Names 09:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll put my hat in the ring, I'd be willing to arbitrate.--Karek^maps?! 10:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I can arbitrate on that. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 11:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

+1 --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 11:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Ditto.--Seventythree^Talk 11:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I also offer. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 20:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why do i remember many of you not liking me anyways? I don't care about half the crap they hate me for, but the fact they call my revolution fake, and not the true, and that there name is errirly similar to mine... You can see why i don't want them with that name.--Jakezing 23:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To be honest mate, youre realy very lucky with the people who have voulunteered to arbitrate your case. (I'm refering to the others, by the way, not me, I don't realy like to blow my own trumpet) They're all solid veteren users who can be guarunteed to judge the case fairly and in an unbiased mannner. --Seventythree^Talk 23:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont like anyone. Ask anyone. They will tell you i dont like them. Well, i do like Vantar and Hagnat, but thats about it. Anyway, since i dont like anyone, you can be assured i wont play favourites. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 00:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I can arbitrate as well if need be --Ryiis 23:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The insults to me make me want to actuly do worse things then just ignore there talk page rules..--Jakezing 00:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you really think that will accomplish anything other than getting you banned? --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 01:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

i am also willing to arbitrate.--'BP^Tmz 00:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

As I've said, we'll accept anyone, but for the sake of expediency, do you agree on Seventythree^Talk ?--Screw Names 01:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Piss off. And whatever...--Jakezing 02:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Great, I guess I'm good to go then.--Screw Names 02:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm guessing that this is something approaching an agreement on me as an arbitrator. If this is the case, then I would, of course ask that all users apart from those directly invloved in the case post any comments on the arbitration talkpage, as per normal. As Viva La Revolucion are the ones bringing this case forward then I would ask them to select a representative, as they are a group. I would then ask that representative to re-state their case agaignst Darkmagic, outlining greivances, providing evidence in the forms of links and such. I will then ask Darkmagic to supply his defence and (hopefully) come to an amiacable agreement! Before anyone posts, I would like to remind them to ensure that what they are posting is a valid comment and not something designed to stir up trouble. Please remember also, that the entire point of this is to resolve a current dispute and to hopefully advoid such disputes in future. I do not wish to (and do not have the power to ) issue warnings or bans. My role here is to try and negotiate an agreement between the Viva La Revolucion group and Darkmagic. If you think I've missed something of vital importance, you can, of course always message me on my talkpage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seventythree (talk • contribs) 12:17, 30 November 2007.

Viva La Revolucion

Basically, our complaints against Darkmagic are as I've said before. He's making unwanted edits to our talk page, and we'd like him to stop. Examples are here, and here, with his last edit to our page being made after we started this case against him. All his edits break the simple rules we made to cut down on drama and the like on our page, and to avoid flame wars. We've asked him nicely to go away repeatedly, but from past and present experience with him on the wiki an on various forums, we know that he won't leave us alone until he is made to.

That's the long story short of it I guess. We just want him and his puppet accounts, (or his brother's or whoever's he considers them to be), to not post on our page. Ever. We are aware that we can simply delete his comments, but it's our opinion that if we don't get rid of the issue now, it will come back to bother us later.

I hope that's enough of a rehash. If more detail is needed, it can be found in our previous statement.--Screw Names 21:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, thankyou. Darkmagic, if you would place your point of veiw now, please?--Seventythree^Talk 22:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Jakezing

... Piss off. My case is your name is to similar to my groups name. When you type VLR into the search, you get my group, why? Because, We claimed the name VLR first, were older, all i want is for them to pick a name that wont confuse possiblem embers on the game iyself, two groups, caliming two very diffrent things in the name of "The revolution" makes no sence. Thats all.--Jakezing 00:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Seventythree's Response

As far as I know, there is no rule stating that people cannot form groups that are similar to other groups in name. Now, the two groups involved are similar in name but very little else. Viva La Revolution seems to be a loose collecive of groups that are pro-survivor. Viva La Revolucion seem to be a PKer group with some sort of demented emphasis on PKing in the name of "liberating" Malton, both very commendable group goals in a RP sense. In conclusion, having two groups with similar names but a very different outlook is not a breech of rules. If you are concerned with this, Darkmagic I suggest you make sure the name of The Revolution is known throughout Malton and people are instructed not to listen to the bourgoisie lies of the "so called" Revolucion! (Viva La Revolucion, I suggest you do the same, but vice versa)

Viva La Revolucion, I suggest that you develop a slightly thicker skin in future with regard to people slating you on your talkpage. Especialy if you aim to be a major PKer group in Malton, such people don't attract many fans amongst a certain percentage of wiki users! Having said that, Darkmagic did continue to post on your page after you repeatedly asked him not to.

In conclusion I am going to ask that all involved remember that this is a game. There is no reason why both of you shouldn't get on perfectly amiacably, zombie, PKer or survivor. Learn to respect others opinions and veiwpoints please.

My Ruling

• Darkmagic is not to post anything on the Viva La Revolucion Talkpage unless he runs it past me first on my talkpage, so I may decide weather what he plans to post is a constructive edit. If I agree that it is a constructive edit, then he may post it. Otherwise any posts may be considered vandalism.

The purpose of this is twofold. Firstly it allows Darkmagic a chance to communicate with another group, without cutting him off entirely from doing this. It also allows Darkmagic a "cooling off" period between getting verification from me to psot his comment and actualy posting it in which he can think about what he wishes to say and whether he truly wishes to say it. This state of affairs will last for 4 months from today.--Seventythree^Talk 00:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the decision. We realize that it's an overreaction, but we are forced to deal with him in places other than the Wiki (where he seems to go out of his way to antagonize pretty much everyone), and we are simply attempting to get rid of the problem where we can. As for your suggestion about the bourgeois lies of his obviously Capitalist organization, we're all for it, so long as he realizes that we aren't trying to insult him - we're RPing (in retrospect, I think that's where his main issue with us probably came from). Anyway, thanks alot for dealing with the case, we're very much satisfied with the outcome.--Screw Names 03:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Stop calling us capitalist. Were a confederacty that allows tghem to follwo there own path.--Jakezing 17:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Darkmagic, they are role-playing. Feel free to do the same, and spread false rumors about them in-game! As an addendum, my attention has been drawn to a device that will hopefully rule out some of the misunderstanding between your groups. I have no wish to include it in my ruling, as I don't want to force something on people, or treat either of ou as childeren incapable of making rational decisions. However, I strongly suggest you implement it, I will be in contact with you both about it after I figure it out and sort out half a tonne of RL stuff. Expect a message sometime soon on it.--Seventythree^Talk 18:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Even in role-playing it makes no sence at all to call us capitalists. --Jakezing 20:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It does, because it is negative propoganda. Hell, I think the two of you should turn it into a joke. You could refer to them as "sinister totalitarian dogmatic dictators, intent on forcing their so called "revolucion" on the innocent citizens of Malton through bloody murder" and they could reffer to you as "capitalist apologist running-dog lackeys of the status quo" This would add some humour to the proceedings and both accusations would be so ridiculous that no-one would actualy beleive them. Take it as it was intended, as a jokey peice of negative propoganda nad respond in kind would be my advice.--Seventythree^Talk 22:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)