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As Bob just pointed out, my re-eval should have begun a few weeks ago. I'll blame the fact that my home computer has been turned off since mid-July as my excuse (been too busy to get it set back up again since we moved all of my wife's stuff into the house). No clue what excuse the rest of you have. :P —Aichon— 15:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

That I am busy and that no one really cares anymore about RE at this point? Someone remind me to actually put up the RE revision someday. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

• Man, that fucking’ guy, I SWEAR. Every time something needs doing, he does it, oftentimes before you even know it. He’ll make the hard calls and wear the consequences if need be, except very rarely needs be because he does it right. It’s inhuman, I swear! No good will come of this.
  Which of course means I support him unreservedly.* ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 22:56, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  _{* If he would care to furnish me with some Glen Garioch Founder’s Reserve, I will support him reservedly and enthusiastically.}
• If there ever came such a time that we doubted your identity, what indisputable piece of evidence or argument could be raised to allay any fears that you are an impostor? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

  I suppose that depends on what aspect of my identity it is that you doubt, since identity confirmation relies on an ability to build upon established trust. If there's a concern that my username on the wiki has been compromised, I'd imagine the most expedient way for me to confirm my identity would be to make a change to aichon.com, which has been associated with my UD activity for years, given that I've been hosting the Soldiers of Crossman message boards there since early 2010. Or checkuser could be used to quickly see if new IP addresses in a different location were suddenly popping up. On the other hand, if you see someone in a game or on a site (including this one) claiming to be me with an account you don't recognize as mine, you're welcome to ask them to prove it by posting with my established username here on the wiki. I'm always happy to do so, and have offered it several times over the years to folks who have asked if I'm the same "Aichon" that they know from UD when they spot me in other games.
  Otherwise, there are loads of ways to reach me that I've either directly or indirectly provided via my wiki pages for years. For instance, my main user page mentions an IRC server where I've registered my nickname, the sidebar provides a way to e-mail me, another user page mentions accounts I have with the same username at other sites where I can be reached, the userscripts I've authored provide a different contact e-mail address at which I can be reached, I've had the same four characters for the entirety of my time playing the game and can modify their profiles to prove account ownership, I have accounts at the message boards for the groups to which those characters belong, and several people here (e.g. Ross, Yonn, Spider) have gotten responses to sidebar e-mails they've sent me, so they each have e-mail addresses that can be used to reach me. An impersonator would only ever have access to one or two of those at best, whereas in most circumstances I should have access to ALL of those (barring them hacking into my current e-mail and resetting loads of passwords, in which case confirming my identity in an online game would be the least of my worries).
  Plus, walls of text. Seriously. —Aichon— 16:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  But what if, after the very first second that the persona "Aichon" was created, an impostor came in and assumed all subsequent instances of "Aichon"? That is, what if you've been an impostor (nearly) this whole time? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  I actually considered addressing exactly that scenario in my initial response, but decided against doing so for two reasons:

  1. It'd be impossible to confirm that I am him, because there's no foundation on which to build trust between the original "Aichon" and anyone here.
  2. More importantly, it's a moot point, because there'd be nothing to gain by claiming to be the original.

  An imposter only stands to gain if they can supplant the original, but if the original was never planted in a community to begin with, there cannot be a supplanting. Merely a planting of a different one. Or, put differently, it'd just mean that I'm a different "Aichon", someone else using the same username, rather than an "imposter Aichon". Moreover, given that the "Aichon" persona pre-dates the launch of UD by a year or two, that one second of existence that separates the original from the imposter would have no bearing on UD, so it really wouldn't matter if I was an imposter who replaced the original, since I'd still be the same "Aichon" you've known all along. —Aichon— 22:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  I was going to offer to vouch for you (which I’ve done for people before), but seeing as I’ve been “Grim s” ever since he “came back”, well… ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  So if you're an impostor long enough, you become the real thing? What does that say about the original, especially if the original comes back? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

  nooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO , Gnome, shhhhhhhhhh dont keep it going, its getting too blue pill (red?) for my feeble little mind Gay Butt Negro Thompson04:17, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

  Kinda. It gets back to what an identity is. Many people are named "John Smith", but that doesn't mean they are the same person. Their identity extends beyond their name, and they are separated and recognized by various other items, such as their proximity (e.g. "John Smith from Smallville, Kansas"), appearance, or other identifying marks/items. They are all the "real thing". None of them is an imposter John Smith until and unless they try to supplant another one and claim that one's identity as their own.

  Which is to say, being an imposter for long enough does not make you the real thing, but merely having the same name as someone else does not make you an imposter either.

  Separately, and going back to some of my earlier comments, if someone is an imposter, it doesn't mean they are the original, but it may not matter that they are an imposter. If two "John Smith" babies got swapped by accident at the hospital, they would both be imposters, but that wouldn't matter to the people they subsequently met. If, 40 years later, someone figured out what had happened, would it suddenly mean that their school grades, careers, or relationships were inauthentic and built upon lies? Not at all! Those would all have been genuine interactions, and the only concern we'd have about an imposter would be if someone tried to claim those accomplishments for their own. Likewise, if I replaced the original "Aichon" the moment after he began his existence, it doesn't mean I'm the original, but it wouldn't have any bearing on the authenticity of my interactions with the folks here, suggesting that proving I'm the original would be a moot point. Unless I'm being accused of murdering him, in which case I suppose I might have valid reasons for wanting to establish my identity, but that would still be a separate issue from the stuff here. —Aichon— 15:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

  Yeah, but that two babies being swapped at birth is kinda a bad metaphor, anyone who's a parent will tell you they'd want to at least meet the original "John Smith" with the parents actual DNA and stuff, same thing here, what if people don't care that the Aichon they know and love is someone NOT the genuine Aichon, like what if people get so hung up on having the ORIGINAL Aichon, that they are willing to chance that they are a shitty sysop or whatever and try to restore him to power, and oust you like a tyrant who dethroned a crown prince Stupid ass points17:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

  The metaphor works fine. I glossed over the parents because they aren't relevant, given that the parents had their interactions before the swap and the topic we're discussing is strictly for interactions after the swap. But, as I said, it's a moot point for all practical purposes. The question presupposes that I would have a need to prove I'm the original, in much the same way that asking, "What steps do you intend to take to get over your drug addiction?" presupposes that you have a drug addiction. But in constructing a scenario that was designed to strip away established trust by removing all contact between the original "Aichon" and the UD community, AHLG also stripped away the need for an imposter to build upon trust in the first place, since they would have earned everything they had on their own.

  As for "restoring him to power", not only is it impossible, given that he never had it to begin with (nor do I for that matter, since sysops don't really have any power, other than the ability to mop things up :P), but the notion makes about as much sense as suggesting we should swap the careers of the John Smiths, even though each of them rightfully earned their respective places. All of the interactions between the UD community and an "Aichon" would have been with me, so while I may not be the original "Aichon", it wouldn't matter, either to the UD community or to me.

  That said, it does make for an interesting existential crisis of identity, even if it's a moot point for all practical purposes. ;) —Aichon— 18:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

  Hrm, well in that case, vouch to you, he who is presently "Aichon" of the UDWiki. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

• I like Aichon, he does good work and is extremely helpful in all facets of the wiki, and doesnt pose a anti-new attitude, hail Aichon... Honestly id prefer to see him as BCrat but yknow Booty Butt Whats Up02:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
• Strong Vouch duh. I'm just shocked y'all didn't manage to handwave him back into Cratitude while I was out. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
• Vouch rubber stamp this cunt.--User:Sexualharrison03:27, 18 August 2015

  yeahPoopooplatter, who ordered it?

• 3 and a half stars I would shop here again. --_K^CLZA 20:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
• He's always been the best, and I'll always owe him for the effort he put in while I was working alongside him. Vouch. A ZOMBIE ANT 04:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
• Vouch. Can I call you Teflon *now*? -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}23:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

  I was re-reading some old wiki stuff today. I had entirely forgotten about this time that you called me Teflon. Which is to say, sure, at this point, feel free. —Aichon— 19:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

• Question Why not just confirm this now? --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 20:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

  I'm of two minds on the subject. On the one side, it's my earnest desire to give people in the community every opportunity they need to voice dissent, should there be any problems with the way in which I conduct myself. On the other side, this procedure has become a bit of a rubber-stamp affair over the years, and is generally just a lot of patting ourselves on the back for maintaining the status quo. I think the system should be reformed to deal with both topics, but until we do so, we should abide by the current system, since abridging the process will mean taking away an expected window of opportunity for people who are dissatisfied with my tenure to voice their opinion in an official capacity. —Aichon— 18:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

  Just wait a week. A ZOMBIE ANT 00:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

• Vouch: I vote for Aichon to keep his post. He has always been fair, informative, helpful to me, and most importantly mature...which has been a rare experience on here for me so far. This speaks even louder to his professionalism, and why he is among elite Sysops, and I appreciate it. Oh yeah...and thank you for being patient with me while I do my multiple edit/corrections. :P Thank you. The Jack Yocum (talk) 00:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
• Vouch Aichon's a good man. -- TheBardofOld 00:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
• Aichon has been helpful in every occasion I have had to speak to or work with him and based on those experiences I believe he is a good example for what I would look for in a community leader. - ШəəϨо ϨоЯЯλ (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Consider this a poke to get this thing over with when you guys get the chance, given that the required "one week" ended over a week ago. —Aichon— 19:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

How about in a week from now you cycle this as Successful , unless my good Crat partner states otherwise? --Rosslessness^{Want to complete a dangerous mission?} 20:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)