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June 2008
What the fuck?
Help! The man 14:00, 11 June 2008 (BST)
User:Insomniac By Choice
'What is Vandalism?
On this wiki, we define Vandalism as "an edit not made in a good-faith attempt to improve this wiki".'
You should all know that by now. Incidentally, it would be good to have that quote (from UDWiki:Vandalism) written at the top of the page to remind people of it. Either that one or "It is considered extremely poor form to automatically assume that a person's edit was an act of vandalism." --Toejam 16:18, 16 June 2008 (BST)
- I was wondering when the vultures would show up, im suprised they actually held off this long.
Some actions, are by their very nature defined as vandalism. Impersonation is one such instance, humourous suggestions in the main suggestions system are another example which was done. The problem is that even if you are altering a persons post significantly for even the best of reasons, you are still putting words in their mouth or removing them. Any blame for misunderstandings this causes will be on them instead of you, any blame for offense taken will be on them instead of you. Removing of emotive content will also make the user appear stale (I get to that leter), which is also a no go. If i want to say something, and you dont want me to say it, you go to my talk page and ask me to remove it, or if its offensive enough you go to arbies and try to start a case there against them, or you can just deal with it and live with it. You are not allowed to go into their post and prune anything you dont feel is needed or welcome, which is precisely what Insomniac by Choice did in this instance. He pruned out something he felt was redundant, while i saw it as a mildly poignant way of putting the matter (My feelings on the matter are irrelevant to the case of vandalism, and are just presented as a counterpoint to that). Repetition is quite a valid literary technique used to embed a point and get it across (Though it does have its own fallacy loosly associated with its misuse, the argumentum ad nauseam, FYI). If i decided to repeat my points here, you would have no right to remove them, and i or someone else could quite validly revert your edit and report you for impersonation. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 18:07, 16 June 2008 (BST)- I fully support people being given warnings and bans if they change another editor's post in any way that they know a reasonable person wouldn't approve of. The vast majority of impersonations fit into that category. All the times when someone writes something like "I wet the bed and touch little boys in their no-no's" and then signs it with someone else's name, it's vandalism. No dispute there. But there's a world of difference between that and what went on here. Here, a sentence was pruned from a comment in an article because it was felt that doing so would improve the article. Not because they wanted to belittle or mock the commenter, nor to hinder their arguments, nor to pretend to be someone they're not. That's a key difference between this case, and cases of genuine impersonation. Notice also this was on an article page. If it was done on a talk page, it would be a different story.
And could you show me where exactly editing someone else's post is defined as automatically vandalism, no matter what the circumstances? --Toejam 03:31, 19 June 2008 (BST)
- I fully support people being given warnings and bans if they change another editor's post in any way that they know a reasonable person wouldn't approve of. The vast majority of impersonations fit into that category. All the times when someone writes something like "I wet the bed and touch little boys in their no-no's" and then signs it with someone else's name, it's vandalism. No dispute there. But there's a world of difference between that and what went on here. Here, a sentence was pruned from a comment in an article because it was felt that doing so would improve the article. Not because they wanted to belittle or mock the commenter, nor to hinder their arguments, nor to pretend to be someone they're not. That's a key difference between this case, and cases of genuine impersonation. Notice also this was on an article page. If it was done on a talk page, it would be a different story.
- There is so much precedent for this i don't see why it's still going on.--xoxo 07:24, 17 June 2008 (BST)
Some serious hypocrisy going on with regards to "shitting up the page". --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 12:51, 17 June 2008 (BST)
- This is without doubt the greatest waste of time and bandwidth, ever. I would probably mention something along me loosing faith in humanity, but I've already lost all the faith I ever had. Anyway, he should get a warning. He did edit someone's post just like the goons edited my post some time ago. BTW, if you try to give me a warning for posting this, you are against the freedom of speech and therefore you are a communist. Good day gentlemen.The man 18:27, 19 June 2008 (BST)
- Moved to talk --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 18:38, 19 June 2008 (BST)
- This is without doubt the greatest waste of time and bandwidth, ever. I would probably mention something along me loosing faith in humanity, but I've already lost all the faith I ever had. Anyway, he should get a warning. He did edit someone's post just like the goons edited my post some time ago. BTW, if you try to give me a warning for posting this, you are against the freedom of speech and therefore you are a communist. Good day gentlemen.The man 18:27, 19 June 2008 (BST)
User:Saromu v2.0
This asshole has vandalized my group's image practically everywhere. I'm getting pissed. Also here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. This is pure vandalism. We are still in these suburbs, and there is no indication of us leaving.Ioncannon11 02:30, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Off to Arby's with you. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 02:42, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- This is not an edit conflict, as arbies should handle. This is a case of vandalism and should be handled as such. He is griefing my group. Ioncannon11 02:49, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- You believe the group tags should be there, he doesn't. It's the very epitome of an edit conflict. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 02:50, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- No I'm playing garbage man and cleaning up the trash you dumped everywhere and forgot to pick up. Besides the fact that your group does not exist you posted it on over 10 suburb pages and never bothered to remove them when you "left", that's if your "group" was ever there. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:51, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- MY GROUP DOESNT EXIST? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT, ASSHOLE? Prove it!!! We never LEFT those suburbs you fucking moron. We're fighting a war there right now. Ioncannon11 02:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- So you're in both Earltown and Scarletwood? Two suburbs on opposite sides of the city, one north and the other south. I find this hard to believe since your group isn't even large enough for you to change your group numbers from "Small, yet growing." to a legit number. There is also the fact that you, Ioncannon=173rd Airbourne=Weedhomie. The only people to ever say they were in the group. So since you are them, they=you. As in no one in the group except you. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:56, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I have three members in my group with group tags on their profiles. I fucking dare you to ask Kevan about their ip's to see if they're all mine. You are such a prick, bringing up things from brainstock that I did 6 months ago and everyone already almost forgot to cover up your own vandalism. FTR, Ioncannon11 was my account. Airbourne was a group/promotional acc. Weedhomie was never in the 173rd Airborne Brigade. Gtfo this game. You are despised by all. Leave. Ioncannon11 03:02, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- So you're in both Earltown and Scarletwood? Two suburbs on opposite sides of the city, one north and the other south. I find this hard to believe since your group isn't even large enough for you to change your group numbers from "Small, yet growing." to a legit number. There is also the fact that you, Ioncannon=173rd Airbourne=Weedhomie. The only people to ever say they were in the group. So since you are them, they=you. As in no one in the group except you. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:56, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- MY GROUP DOESNT EXIST? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT, ASSHOLE? Prove it!!! We never LEFT those suburbs you fucking moron. We're fighting a war there right now. Ioncannon11 02:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- This is not an edit conflict, as arbies should handle. This is a case of vandalism and should be handled as such. He is griefing my group. Ioncannon11 02:49, 1 June 2008 (BST)
You said you moved to Earltown here. Not my fault you don't remove your group when you leave a suburb. You had around 10 suburbs you were in according to the pages because you didn't update them. I just made the pages accurate. You know...accuracy...truth...intelligence. Sorry, those are foreign words to you. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:27, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I'd also like to add that Ioncannon's group cannot be in that many places when it does not exist. Everyone stated in that group is just an alt of himself. But that isn't the point. I was cleaning up suburb pages since he just adds his group everywhere without actually being there. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:36, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- The admins on Brainstock with your IP address would claim otherwise. And 3 members...in over 10 suburbs? I'm sorry but that's stupider than dividing by zero. Seriously. You just proved my point. You do not have enough people in your own group to even be in that many suburbs. I win. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 03:09, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Well I don't see what the problem with Saromu's edits were. The 173rd is a virtually nonexistent group. Nobody except Ioncannon updates its wiki page, nobody except Ion posts on its forum, and Ion's just told us that the group has a whopping great three members. I doubt that's even enough to warrant listing them as an active group in one suburb, let alone nine. Turkmenbashi 03:22, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- All of us post on the forum...We operate in 9-block areas, running around pretty much. We have 3 members + me. I update the wiki page as I'm the only who knows how to do so. Ioncannon11 03:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- So why the need to list yourselves in 9 suburbs when there are only 4 of you? That's 2 suburbs per player. Damn, just pick a suburb... any suburb -- boxy talk • i 03:57 1 June 2008 (BST)
- 9 blocks is not 9 suburbs. 4 people for 900 squares is insane. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 03:55, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Did you not read my post? We jump around from burb to burb as a suburb is not an effective measurement. Zeds are zeds, and they will flow in. One person may be in Rolt Heights, I'll be in Pashenton. We work in those intersections. Ioncannon11 04:15, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Oh. So you're a bullshitter now. 1 person doesn't constitute a group. I know I'm not the only one who finds you retarded for believing that. I'm sure right now boxy is wondering how you made it this far using a computer. You'd think you would accidently stick your hand in the floppydisk port and get it stuck. That or try to gnaw on the screen. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:17, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Prove that I am the only person in this group. Ioncannon11 04:27, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- 1 man in a suburb doesn't constitute a group being there. Group means plural. 1 person being in the suburb is not a group. And post your fucking side to the Arby's case so you can get it over with and lose. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:29, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- IT IS A FOUR MAN GROUP THAT IS HARDLY ONE PERSON!!! MY BROTHER KNOWS THIS AND HE IS FIVE YEARS OLD. Ioncannon11 04:31, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Holy fucking shit. I'm not saying you're the only man in the group right now. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's say someone is dumb enough to follow you. You have 4 people total spread out in 9 suburbs. Yet you list your group on each of them. 1 person in one suburb (not you say it's some other person) is not a group. That's one person. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:33, 1 June 2008 (BST) Edit: And finish your part of the Arby's case already. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:35, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- You're such a dumb shit. Couldn't even come up with an idea for your own group...stole it from the much more successful DARIS. We operate, day-to-day, in different suburbs. I may move from Rolt Heights to Pashenton, and then to Earletown. Foshol may be restocking in Dowdney Mall, then come back to Fanning Cinema to give Colonel Burton a revive. Do you understand? Ioncannon11 04:41, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I see... so you're a zerger? --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 04:44, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- HOW AM I A ZERGER? THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE BESIDES MYSELF IN MY GROUP. MR. DOUCHEBAG COR-SUCKMYDICKPLEASE-LEONE is just a troll. Ioncannon11 04:45, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- OMIFUCKINGGOD CRUISE CONTROL IS ABOUT TO OVERLOAD GET IN THE CAR YOU FUCKING FUCKFUCK SUCK MY COCK YOU GODDAMN FUCKING RETARDED FUCKSHIT --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 04:48, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- HOW AM I A ZERGER? THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE BESIDES MYSELF IN MY GROUP. MR. DOUCHEBAG COR-SUCKMYDICKPLEASE-LEONE is just a troll. Ioncannon11 04:45, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I see... so you're a zerger? --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 04:44, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- You're such a dumb shit. Couldn't even come up with an idea for your own group...stole it from the much more successful DARIS. We operate, day-to-day, in different suburbs. I may move from Rolt Heights to Pashenton, and then to Earletown. Foshol may be restocking in Dowdney Mall, then come back to Fanning Cinema to give Colonel Burton a revive. Do you understand? Ioncannon11 04:41, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Holy fucking shit. I'm not saying you're the only man in the group right now. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's say someone is dumb enough to follow you. You have 4 people total spread out in 9 suburbs. Yet you list your group on each of them. 1 person in one suburb (not you say it's some other person) is not a group. That's one person. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:33, 1 June 2008 (BST) Edit: And finish your part of the Arby's case already. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:35, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- IT IS A FOUR MAN GROUP THAT IS HARDLY ONE PERSON!!! MY BROTHER KNOWS THIS AND HE IS FIVE YEARS OLD. Ioncannon11 04:31, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- 1 man in a suburb doesn't constitute a group being there. Group means plural. 1 person being in the suburb is not a group. And post your fucking side to the Arby's case so you can get it over with and lose. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:29, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Prove that I am the only person in this group. Ioncannon11 04:27, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Oh. So you're a bullshitter now. 1 person doesn't constitute a group. I know I'm not the only one who finds you retarded for believing that. I'm sure right now boxy is wondering how you made it this far using a computer. You'd think you would accidently stick your hand in the floppydisk port and get it stuck. That or try to gnaw on the screen. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:17, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Did you not read my post? We jump around from burb to burb as a suburb is not an effective measurement. Zeds are zeds, and they will flow in. One person may be in Rolt Heights, I'll be in Pashenton. We work in those intersections. Ioncannon11 04:15, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- All of us post on the forum...We operate in 9-block areas, running around pretty much. We have 3 members + me. I update the wiki page as I'm the only who knows how to do so. Ioncannon11 03:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
So to summarise, according to Ioncannon the entire 173rd airborne is him and three other characters, and they don't settle down anywhere for long. I'm sort of failing to grasp why he tried to report Saromu for vandalism at all here, since Ion's basically just told us that listing the 173rd in any suburb at all would be misleading. Turkmenbashi 08:04, 1 June 2008 (BST)
Miscontribulation
- Don't make me come over there, Ioncannon. You obviously don't have a significant presence in all of those suburbs, so don't make me lock the pages down, please -- boxy talk • i 04:50 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Uh, no, boxy yes I do. So shut your dumb yap up. I wonder what you even do in Malton. We are fighting a war right now, and our enemies have fled (or burrowed into, whichever) into those suburbs. We followed them. How about remove those year-old group tags that definitely don't belong there? Ioncannon11 04:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I lol'd. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 04:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I lol'ed...twice. So boxy, you want to fix it for the community? I'd do it but...you know...I'm the center of enough drama already. And Ioncannon, post your side of the Arby's case already! --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 04:57, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I lol'd. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 04:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Uh, no, boxy yes I do. So shut your dumb yap up. I wonder what you even do in Malton. We are fighting a war right now, and our enemies have fled (or burrowed into, whichever) into those suburbs. We followed them. How about remove those year-old group tags that definitely don't belong there? Ioncannon11 04:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Sorry to interject here, but isn't the precedent that you roll the pages back to the controversial edit before you protect them? Which would mean Ion's tags stay until proven otherwise (for example, one and two) --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:04, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Precedent can be ignored in extreme cases. This case is one of extreme stupidity and obvious idiocy on the part of Ioncannon - there is literally nobody (from what I can tell) who believes him. His bullshit is therefore disregarded. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 05:07, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Kikashie believes him... *rolls eyes --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:09, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I know his group is still around Gibsonton. I saw him down there just a day or two ago, before those of us in the DA came back to Dulston. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:11, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- From what I and Kikashie can tell, the only people who put their two cents are Imperium Must Die griefing buddies and one other person. Ioncannon11 05:12, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Cyberbob and Boxy are not in the Coalition. And Kikashie, months from now you're going to look back and say, "Why did I support this idiot?" when you realize he is nothing but a liar and an idiot. You have potential but you have the trenchcoater flaw. You support every survivor despite them being too dumb to breathe. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:14, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I lol'ed actually. Now you're trying to befriend somebody you were yelling your keyboard out at? Scumbag. Ioncannon11 05:16, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- If you don't recall, Ion is bundled into the Arby case I'm currently in with you. What happens to him will reflect on me, at least for the time being. I can't have him being harassed by other people (thus possibly putting my case in jeopardy). Besides, I know you're just trying to throw him off by doing this. If you weren't in the case with him, I don't think you'd care. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:22, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Don't get me wrong. I still hate you. I'm saying it because you're an idiot but no where near the level of Ioncannon. You see both Boxy and Cyberbob made errors like you did. Even I did. Cyberbob once defended Amazing until he realized what an idiot Amazing was. Boxy and I used to fight over Stanbury Village until we settled on it. And now...well I like to say I'm friendly with him, I know he doesn't like it when I troll but I do think he's a good guy once we both realized we were wrong about stuff. And myself? I once supported Ludwig...that doesn't need to be explained why it was a bad idea. I'm just saying you're digging yourself a bigger hole. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:28, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Well, then we hate each other mutually. Glad we can agree on something! Btw, I'll have my opening statement up soon. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:36, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I already read it on your sandbox page. It's horrid. Just copypasta it so that we can get this thing over with. You're going to lose. Everyone in the whole damn wiki (outside of the Imperium, DA, and Ioncannon and his "group") knows you guys lost. You're just delaying the inevitable. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:38, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Heh, thats not my opening statement by any means.... I just saved the links that I was going to use in the statement (and made notes about what each one linked to). Honestly, you have to know this won't come out as a PKer or survivor victory . Akule will most likely rule a "draw" because of conflicting goals/disputes on kill counts, among other things. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:58, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Or he'll rule Clear PKer Victory because he's not a moron like you. You see not everyone was born to parents that were related before they got married. Not everyone is stupid. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 06:07, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Don't beat yourself up. Take a gun and put it to your head. Ioncannon11 06:08, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Your wit is as sharp as the syringes maintaining your existence. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 06:12, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- That was so funny...Ioncannon11 06:16, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Your wit is as sharp as the syringes maintaining your existence. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 06:12, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Don't beat yourself up. Take a gun and put it to your head. Ioncannon11 06:08, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- You do realize that, when we either win this case or it's called a draw, you'll never be able to climb out of the whole you're digging. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 06:19, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- That's funny because tenbux says you lose. And lose hard. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 06:23, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- You're on. Loser makes a victory template (of their own design) for the winner(s). If it's a draw we each make a template (as we would both technicaly lose). Deal? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 06:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I'm not making a template. It takes work to do that. How does this sound. If I lose I apologize. If you lose you admit to being a retard. I think it's fair since me apologizing for being mean takes a lot from me. And I won't lose. Akule is not a stupid man. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 07:22, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Define lose, as I've heard that you do not accept draws (which means you would lose). --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 07:35, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- As in Akule sides with me. But know you you'd then say, "Well my goal was to present the best case I could and I succeeded so I won." --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 07:36, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Nah, I meant define lose as it pertains to you. That is, unless you consider Akule siding with you losing... heh. (by the way, almost done with the statement. finishing touches..ish.) --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 08:06, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- ioncannon, just.... get out, leave this game and this wiki and dont ever return. You give survivors a very bad name. Go make a CSS clan. Also, dont expect anyone to make an alliance with you or your phony group. The man 12:51, 4 June 2008 (BST)
- Nah, I meant define lose as it pertains to you. That is, unless you consider Akule siding with you losing... heh. (by the way, almost done with the statement. finishing touches..ish.) --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 08:06, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- As in Akule sides with me. But know you you'd then say, "Well my goal was to present the best case I could and I succeeded so I won." --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 07:36, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Define lose, as I've heard that you do not accept draws (which means you would lose). --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 07:35, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I'm not making a template. It takes work to do that. How does this sound. If I lose I apologize. If you lose you admit to being a retard. I think it's fair since me apologizing for being mean takes a lot from me. And I won't lose. Akule is not a stupid man. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 07:22, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- You're on. Loser makes a victory template (of their own design) for the winner(s). If it's a draw we each make a template (as we would both technicaly lose). Deal? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 06:53, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- That's funny because tenbux says you lose. And lose hard. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 06:23, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Or he'll rule Clear PKer Victory because he's not a moron like you. You see not everyone was born to parents that were related before they got married. Not everyone is stupid. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 06:07, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Heh, thats not my opening statement by any means.... I just saved the links that I was going to use in the statement (and made notes about what each one linked to). Honestly, you have to know this won't come out as a PKer or survivor victory . Akule will most likely rule a "draw" because of conflicting goals/disputes on kill counts, among other things. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:58, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I already read it on your sandbox page. It's horrid. Just copypasta it so that we can get this thing over with. You're going to lose. Everyone in the whole damn wiki (outside of the Imperium, DA, and Ioncannon and his "group") knows you guys lost. You're just delaying the inevitable. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:38, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Well, then we hate each other mutually. Glad we can agree on something! Btw, I'll have my opening statement up soon. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:36, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Don't get me wrong. I still hate you. I'm saying it because you're an idiot but no where near the level of Ioncannon. You see both Boxy and Cyberbob made errors like you did. Even I did. Cyberbob once defended Amazing until he realized what an idiot Amazing was. Boxy and I used to fight over Stanbury Village until we settled on it. And now...well I like to say I'm friendly with him, I know he doesn't like it when I troll but I do think he's a good guy once we both realized we were wrong about stuff. And myself? I once supported Ludwig...that doesn't need to be explained why it was a bad idea. I'm just saying you're digging yourself a bigger hole. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:28, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Cyberbob and Boxy are not in the Coalition. And Kikashie, months from now you're going to look back and say, "Why did I support this idiot?" when you realize he is nothing but a liar and an idiot. You have potential but you have the trenchcoater flaw. You support every survivor despite them being too dumb to breathe. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:14, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- From what I and Kikashie can tell, the only people who put their two cents are Imperium Must Die griefing buddies and one other person. Ioncannon11 05:12, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- I know his group is still around Gibsonton. I saw him down there just a day or two ago, before those of us in the DA came back to Dulston. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 05:11, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Kikashie believes him... *rolls eyes --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:09, 1 June 2008 (BST)
- Don't make me come over there, Ioncannon. You obviously don't have a significant presence in all of those suburbs, so don't make me lock the pages down, please -- boxy talk • i 04:50 1 June 2008 (BST)
User:Sexylegsread
yeah wow, this was so long ago...i mean you lol'd at it and yet still put him up for banning a month after the fact...double standards dude.--GomerPyle41 01:58, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Just like in the judicial system, I think this is too old for any action. --Arcology 02:45, 14 July 2008 (BST)
User:TexasXViewXFinis
Luke Ballsucker needs to go to Arbys. --User:Axe27/Sig 01:43, 14 July 2008 (BST)
- I don't quite see what this has to do with anything but whatever. --Arcology 02:58, 14 July 2008 (BST)
- So you posted a welcome newbie template, finis, on the page of a User that you put up for vandalism without actually offering any constructive criticism as to help this user to hopefully turn to the straight and narrow. As well as obviously ripping you off by having Finis in his user name, why would you even consider posting a welcome newbie template to someone who you feel is not welcome on this wiki? Don't grub for edit numbers to remove your mass of warnings etc, its not a good look. Also, I feel that this user, while obviously posting in bad faith, which deserves vandalism, has the right to create any group they like, as it is not really against any written rules.--CyberRead240 10:40, 14 July 2008 (BST)
User:Firetwig 3
- VANDALARZIM LOL ITS FUN!!!1--/~Rakuen~\Talk
I Still Love Grim 19:02, 11 July 2008 (BST)
- VANDALARZIM LOL ITS FUN!!!1--/~Rakuen~\Talk
User:Firetwig
It is fine to be able to edit your talk page but any warnings given at any time must stay for future reference. I'm confident you can even archive it as long as it remains. If users were able to delete warnings, there would be plenty of problems with banning. --Arcology 18:43, 10 July 2008 (BST)--Arcology 18:43, 10 July 2008 (BST)
- As i said on your talk page, we have the diff links if we need to examine them, and the case is closed. Just back off. I can see you are trying to help but we really dont need it, and all its going to do is cause us all greif. --The Grimch U! E! 18:45, 10 July 2008 (BST)
User:Sindarei
because those who were sysops are no longer trusted, and those who are dont trust ahyone else to be promoted. Simple as that. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk 06:12, 9 July 2008 (BST)
We do have to remember that it is summer, and many people just aren't around at this time. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:52, 9 July 2008 (BST)
User:Iscariot
- Sandy vag much? gb2scrollwars --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 05:29, 7 July 2008 (BST)
- lol scrollwars --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 17:02, 7 July 2008 (BST)
- T_T you stole mah time and date idea... T_T --/~Rakuen~\Talk I Still Love Grim 16:59, 7 July 2008 (BST)
- Crap moved to talk. A small suggestion: If you have nothing remotely intelligent to say, say nothing at all. Though, with you three i guess we will get nothing but silence if you take the advice. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 19:42, 7 July 2008 (BST)
- You need to work on your insults. They aren't particularly insulting, and are strikingly similar to what I see from the nerds at school. You don't want to be thought a nerd, do you? --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 02:16, 8 July 2008 (BST)
- I am a nerd. The only negative connotations the word has gained are from cretinous jocks such as yourself who fear our superior intellects and realise that if you dont get that sports callup and a career there, you are screwed and end up being either a factory worker, truck driver or drunken hobo. Nerds on the other hand make something of their lives. Seriously bob, i know you like to think of yourself as a troll around here, but you cant even do as good as a half arsed job at that. You're fucked when your parents cut you off. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 05:12, 8 July 2008 (BST)
- Brace yourself, Grim: this might hurt. Being a nerd has nothing to do with intelligence. It has everything to do with one's personality and social competence. You might have the former, but by your own admission lack the latter. I, on the other hand - and whether you believe it or not - have both of these things. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 07:29, 8 July 2008 (BST)
- I am a nerd. The only negative connotations the word has gained are from cretinous jocks such as yourself who fear our superior intellects and realise that if you dont get that sports callup and a career there, you are screwed and end up being either a factory worker, truck driver or drunken hobo. Nerds on the other hand make something of their lives. Seriously bob, i know you like to think of yourself as a troll around here, but you cant even do as good as a half arsed job at that. You're fucked when your parents cut you off. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 05:12, 8 July 2008 (BST)
- You need to work on your insults. They aren't particularly insulting, and are strikingly similar to what I see from the nerds at school. You don't want to be thought a nerd, do you? --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 02:16, 8 July 2008 (BST)
- Crap moved to talk. A small suggestion: If you have nothing remotely intelligent to say, say nothing at all. Though, with you three i guess we will get nothing but silence if you take the advice. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 19:42, 7 July 2008 (BST)
User:Terminalfailure
Funny because he's just as crap of a person in UD. DanceDanceRevolution 07:49, 28 June 2008 (BST)
Do not spam up the main page. Next time either of you do it ill hit you with soft warnings for it. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 08:11, 28 June 2008 (BST)
User:J3D , User:Nallan and User:Sexylegsread
It's pretty obviously bad faith. Quit trying to bullshit, you aren't smart enough. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 13:23, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Answer my question rather than stooping to personal insults. Whether or not it seems obvious to you, wiki policy needs to be as objective as possible - leaving a minimum up to personal opinion. Stop pretending like our policies are water-tight and start being more active in improving them.--Nallan (Talk) 13:44, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Go make the policy then, and quit shitting up this page with nonsense. Obvious Vandalism -- boxy talk • i 13:54 26 June 2008 (BST)
- The bans and warnings have already been delt, there is no need for you to make another ruling. Also, do you all not get what Nick is saying...He is in no way at all claiming that his edits were not in bad faith. He is saying that by coming on here and digging deeper into his vandal case, he is showing you the chance for loopholes in the future. Of course there is no group called "Nick Sucks" or whatever, but if there was, you really couldn't ban somebody for making that page. There is no need for Cyberbob to come on here and be the cockmaster he aspires to be, yet you boxy, you single out Nicks plea to an admin team as shitting up this page. Yes the edits were in bad faith, we agree to that. The issue here is, your admins used the word "doubt" in a banning case. Nick got banned for something that was doubtful. Stop being biased and understand that there is more to offer from people like Nick and Jed than you think.--CyberRead240 14:08, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- There are heaps of loopholes that jerks can try to exploit to be trolls, do we need a policy for every single one of them? No. If you disagree, do something constructive about it by suggest a solution rather than shitting up the main vandal banning page with what should be in policy discussion (or wherever) -- boxy talk • i 14:18 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Alright. Glad we got that out of the way. I'll start writing something up if I get a chance.--Nallan (Talk) 14:56, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Boxy, I do not think we need a policy for all of them. I really don't. I believe that common sense will, and should, always prevail in the A/VB arena. If Nick finds a loophole, I'm sure he has the right to point it out without being insulted by random wiki users? I just think the word doubt should not be thrown around on a page where we are essentially mocking a court of law (to a degree, of course). I am sure that, in time, Nick will write policies and become more involved in politics in general. But for now, for the coming months, we all have a HSC to complete and we really do not have the time to waste constructing something as intricate as a VB policy. All I am asking is that you throw bias aside when it comes to stuff like this.--CyberRead240 14:53, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Where on earth is the bias in labelling a bunch of mock group pages created as part of a stupid joke bad faith? Before you go off accusing people of bias you need to actually be able to show where how it has been a factor in the ruling. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 14:58, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- "Stop shitting up this page with nonsense". Right there, Boxy is saying that what Nick is talking about is nonsense, while Nick is explaining the loophole he has found. If boxy took Nick more seriously as a Wiki user, and read his replies without immediately discarding them as nonsense, then there would be no bias to report on.--CyberRead240 15:05, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Nick's story is so obviously bullshit, and so obviously reaching for a reason to have his warning level decreased, that it doesn't take bias to recognise it as such. It would be nonsense from anyone. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 15:08, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Again, "whether or not it seems obvious to you, wiki policy needs to be as objective as possible - leaving a minimum up to personal opinion". And I really couldn't care less about my warning level. A policy created now would have no effect on the outcome of a case ruled upon before its creation. I'm looking to the future and not dwelling on the past. You should try it some time.--Nallan (Talk) 15:21, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Noble martyr act not working, sorry. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 15:40, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Nick was trying to exploit a loophole, we spoke about it in person today. If you really want to prolong this, take it to my talk page, because there is no more to talk about here.--CyberRead240 15:10, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Indeed, and he paid the price for it. I don't believe that was actually on his mind when he did it, but whatever. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 15:17, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Again, "whether or not it seems obvious to you, wiki policy needs to be as objective as possible - leaving a minimum up to personal opinion". And I really couldn't care less about my warning level. A policy created now would have no effect on the outcome of a case ruled upon before its creation. I'm looking to the future and not dwelling on the past. You should try it some time.--Nallan (Talk) 15:21, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Nick's story is so obviously bullshit, and so obviously reaching for a reason to have his warning level decreased, that it doesn't take bias to recognise it as such. It would be nonsense from anyone. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 15:08, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- "Stop shitting up this page with nonsense". Right there, Boxy is saying that what Nick is talking about is nonsense, while Nick is explaining the loophole he has found. If boxy took Nick more seriously as a Wiki user, and read his replies without immediately discarding them as nonsense, then there would be no bias to report on.--CyberRead240 15:05, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Where on earth is the bias in labelling a bunch of mock group pages created as part of a stupid joke bad faith? Before you go off accusing people of bias you need to actually be able to show where how it has been a factor in the ruling. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 14:58, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- There are heaps of loopholes that jerks can try to exploit to be trolls, do we need a policy for every single one of them? No. If you disagree, do something constructive about it by suggest a solution rather than shitting up the main vandal banning page with what should be in policy discussion (or wherever) -- boxy talk • i 14:18 26 June 2008 (BST)
- The bans and warnings have already been delt, there is no need for you to make another ruling. Also, do you all not get what Nick is saying...He is in no way at all claiming that his edits were not in bad faith. He is saying that by coming on here and digging deeper into his vandal case, he is showing you the chance for loopholes in the future. Of course there is no group called "Nick Sucks" or whatever, but if there was, you really couldn't ban somebody for making that page. There is no need for Cyberbob to come on here and be the cockmaster he aspires to be, yet you boxy, you single out Nicks plea to an admin team as shitting up this page. Yes the edits were in bad faith, we agree to that. The issue here is, your admins used the word "doubt" in a banning case. Nick got banned for something that was doubtful. Stop being biased and understand that there is more to offer from people like Nick and Jed than you think.--CyberRead240 14:08, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Go make the policy then, and quit shitting up this page with nonsense. Obvious Vandalism -- boxy talk • i 13:54 26 June 2008 (BST)
Header discussion
- Do not name the section after the group some of our characters are affiliated with, the attempt at riling me up is both petty and childish.--CyberRead240 14:21, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- u r so calm an matur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Also, stop cherrypicking. If you don't have an actual retort either admit it or shut the hell up. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 14:34, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Are you some poor attempt at a troll? What use are you in this case? Just leave.--CyberRead240 14:37, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- So that's what grasping at straws looks like. It's been a while - I thought I might have forgotten. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 14:42, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Are you some poor attempt at a troll? What use are you in this case? Just leave.--CyberRead240 14:37, 26 June 2008 (BST)
- Do not name the section after the group some of our characters are affiliated with, the attempt at riling me up is both petty and childish.--CyberRead240 14:21, 26 June 2008 (BST)
Terra
We don't warn/ban accounts for using proxies unless they're believed to be sockpuppets, or they're vandalising the wiki. We do, however, ban the IP address. I can dig out the precedent for this if you would like. --Toejam 01:44, 19 June 2008 (BST)
