User talk:Jedaz/Archive3

Evil Text

Sorrry for wiping it out. Xoid pointed it out to me, and I was trying to see if I was capable of reverting such damage. --Sirens^{T RR} 05:26, 2 September 2006 (BST)

Unh, don't worry about it, I'll fix it right back up. No biggie. - Jedaz 07:15, 3 September 2006 (BST)

A message

as you appear to be a mod could you please do something about gage and co auto-spamming evering mr A suggests. he may post far too many sugesstions and some of them may be stupid but everybody deserves an even chance. some of his ideas are actually worth considering but because of gage and his friends it never gets off the ground. Ive spammed many of his ideas myself but I would hate it if someone did that to me Blazefire 09:41, 6 September 2006 (BST)

Believe me Blazefire, if there was anything any mod could do to stop those retards, it would've been done already. The only thing that can be done is for MrA to start up an Arby's case against them. Cyberbob  Talk  10:02, 6 September 2006 (BST)

I have to agree with what Cyberbob said. Moderators just don't have that kind of power and if they did it could very easily be abused. If MrA wants it to stop then he can just take it to Arbitration, but even then I doubt that there would be any way to stop Gage and his friends from auto-spamming it. So in short theres nothing that can really be done apart from leaving a polite message on Gage and friends talk pages. - Jedaz 10:13, 6 September 2006 (BST)

An arbitration case would sort it but, apart from that, there's not much we can do.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 19:16, 6 September 2006 (BST)

Longer than 200 characters

You're correct; thanks for pointing this out to me.

However all these suggestions can be completely described in 200 words or less. For example "Howl" could be written, "When in a square with n survivors, you may emit a howl that is heard by all players who are outside and up to n squares away (or 6, whichever is lower)." Thirty-two words...

Suggestions like the Underworld or subway suggestions are inherently far too complex to ever get a Keep from me or an Implemented from Kevan.

Again, thanks for pointing out my factual error, from now on I'll just say "Too long to Keep." Rheingold 02:37, 7 September 2006 (BST)

No worries, but I feel that it's a very poor reason to vote spam/kill on anything. There have been alot of suggestions that are short that still haven't been implemented. Idealy you should be voting on the merits of the actual sugegstion and not how long it is. Anyway in the end it's your choice but people will get annoyed if you keep voting like that. Just a friendly word of warning if you do plan to continue to do so. - Jedaz 05:00, 7 September 2006 (BST)

New Suggestion Template

Great idea, I love it. One small problem however:

Suggestion Name

Timestamp:	Gage 17:03, 11 September 2006 (BST)
Type:	Skill, balance change, improvement, etc.
Scope:	Who or what it applies to.
Description:	Full description. Check spelling and be descriptive.

Keep Votes
For Votes here
Kill Votes
Against Votes here
Spam/Dupe Votes
Spam/Dupe Votes here

Can we make the headers for the votes smaller so they don't scream at people? And shouldn't it be "For Votes Here" instead of "Insert votes for here" because it is "Against Votes here" and "Spam/Dupe Votes here?"--Gage 17:03, 11 September 2006 (BST)

Yeah good point, I'll change it upon implementation. So this is what I'll have instead then.

===Suggestion Name===
{{suggestionNew|
suggest_time=~~~~|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc.|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to.|
suggest_description=Full description. Check spelling and be descriptive.|
suggest_for_votes=
<!-- PLACE KEEP VOTES **BELOW** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
For Votes here
<!-- PLACE KEEP VOTES **ABOVE** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
|
suggest_against_votes=
<!-- PLACE AGAINST VOTES **BELOW** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
Against Votes here
<!-- PLACE AGAINST VOTES **ABOVE** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
|
suggest_other_votes=
<!-- PLACE SPAM OR DUPE VOTES **BELOW** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
Spam/Dupe Votes here
<!-- PLACE SPAM OR DUPE VOTES **ABOVE** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
}}

And I'll have a play with the headers as well, but I reckon that if the headders are too small that they'll get lost inbetween the votes. Anyway I'll have a play with the template, thanks for bringing it up. - Jedaz 05:54, 12 September 2006 (BST)

Changes

User:Gage/Sandbox - see if that floats your boat. Discussion on my talk page.--Gage 06:28, 12 September 2006 (BST)

Banhammer

Please, use it.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:10, 15 September 2006 (BST)

Oh who exactly? TriPageWikiVandal? - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 03:13, 15 September 2006 (BST)

TriPageWikiVandal, I_will_vandalize_everything_I_see, Real3pwv and Gold Blade if you get his bloody IP.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:16, 15 September 2006 (BST)

Well I'm not able to get Gold Blade because hes behind a proxy. But the other three are blocked now by Darth and me. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 03:18, 15 September 2006 (BST)

Good work. I'll discuss with my pets if you two have earned some gold or a cookie.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:20, 15 September 2006 (BST)

My cat said "no". Sorry.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:20, 15 September 2006 (BST)

lol, thats ok. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 03:21, 15 September 2006 (BST)

User namespace + signatures

Regarding your question to Xoid on his talk page: I'm 99% sure there are no written rules or policies about signatures. Of course impersonating someone using signatures would fall under this policy.

For namespaces there are policy documents Namespaces and Specific_Case_Editing_Guidelines. --Brizth ^{M T} 09:26, 15 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks alot, this'll help me quite a bit. Thanks again. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 09:28, 15 September 2006 (BST)

So I go to all the work of typing out the same crap in notepad only to find Brizth beat me to the punch? All that wasted effort… –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:47, 15 September 2006 (BST)

Sorry, but thanks for the effort Xoid. I appreciate it. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 13:45, 17 September 2006 (BST)

Your Policy

It passes, no surprises there. I would implement it, but I can't.--Gage 01:12, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Ha, yeah I know, I'll be implementing it soon. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 01:42, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Be sure to change the "voting template" here--Gage 04:13, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks for point that out, I'll get right onto it. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 04:14, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Just so you know Jedaz: The suggestion voting template, as it is, is frankly wrong:

suggest_against_votes=
<!-- PLACE AGAINST VOTES **BELOW** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->
#'''Kill''' - Lower the percentage, and I'll reconsider this Kill vote. --~~~~
#*'''Re''' - The percentage has been lowered. --~~~~
<!-- PLACE AGAINST VOTES **ABOVE** THIS LINE - DO NOT DELETE THIS LINE -->

As you can read, the author has changed the mechanics of his suggestion after it has been submited. Vandalism! =P --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 04:27, 18 September 2006 (BST)

lol, good point. I'll change that so people don't think it's alright. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 04:29, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Heh. Also, you wuold need to change the Suggestions#VOTING_EXAMPLES and add a FREAKING BIG notice so no one forgets that the suggestion's template has changed, at least for a couple of weeks. Sorry for asking that much, but it's all protected... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 04:32, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Well I'm going to have to think about how to change the voting examples, I just have no clue how to write that up so that it's shown in a nice way. Any ideas? I'll add the note though. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 04:34, 18 September 2006 (BST)

I'll look into it. But now, I saw something else. Please erase all mentions of tally as it is redundant now. It's mentioned both in Template:Suggestion_Voting#Comments and the voting template. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 04:37, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Yeah I realized that. Even so no one used it, hmm... ok, well I should do this properly. Just give me a bit and I'll fix it... - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 04:41, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Suggestions

Good job on the suggestions page! Now, notice one thing: no one here gets a lot of greeting cards for his work. Without your work on the suggestions page, it would remain old and cluttered(sp?) with old suggestions old the time. Good luck if you are really leaving, though.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 06:10, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks alot. Hopefuly I've made it so someone can take it up. I may return one day, maybe as Jedaz, or maybe as someone else. I know I said some stupid things, and now I'm going to pay for them, but thats ok because thats life for you. I'm just going to get it all over and done with, and hence is why I am asking for the demotion. I'm glad that I've made a noticable difference on this wiki. - Jedaz^{ΣT ΞD} 06:14, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Where?

where did you leave off in terms of moving things to Peer Reviewed, Rejected ect?--Gage 06:51, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Just check the last day added from peer reviewed. So that'ld be the 18th of August, so start moving from the 19th. Remember to keep that updated so you don't forget. Good luck on moving them, the old template will be a pain to get through, but once you get to the new one it should be smooth sailing from there. - Jedaz^{ΣT ΞD} 07:01, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Why didn't you ask for help before this?--Gage 07:12, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Hmm... let me try and explain. Well it's not so much the suggestions system that I'm leaving, if it was that then I would take a break and I'ld keep going. But it's more then that, I'm sick of all of the drama and trolling that both moderators and normal users do on this wiki. It's basically a combination of things, so yeah... - Jedaz^{ΣT ΞD} 07:20, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Thank you

On behalf of the wiki, thank you for your work as a moderator. Perhaps someday you'll decide to run again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:49, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks. Maybe someday I will, who knows what the future has in store for me. Well I'll see you around. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 08:51, 19 September 2006 (BST)

A pity you've decided to leave. You're a hard worker. We could've used a dozen more like you. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:53, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks, well who knows, I may come back eventualy. I'll be sure to let you know if decide to. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 08:56, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Damn. I hate to see you step down. You were always one of the guys with the leveler heads. Its my own fault for never saying thanks for moving the suggestions. But, a belated "thanks" for your thankless work. If you run again, let me know, and I'll be one of your first vouches. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 01:33, 20 September 2006 (BST)

No, it's not your fault, but thanks. I'm glad that I've made such a positive impression on you. I hope you can continue to keep level headed even though others may not do the same. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 13:33, 20 September 2006 (BST)

Today is a sad day for the wiki :\ Hope to see you again in the cool guys team. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 01:35, 20 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks alot. I'm sure that our paths will cross again. Take care until then. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 13:33, 20 September 2006 (BST)

Example

yeah... i hav something against that page... it shouldnt be inside noinclude tags... but inside NOWIKI tags... that page is rendering all those templates when one joins it. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:35, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Hmm... fine, ok then. I'll do that if you really want me to. But I don't see any reason why it has to. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 05:49, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Happy? - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 05:52, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Erm.. you havent changed it yet. And heck man, this thing breaks the wiki in nine pieces! HOw can you not see a good reason to NOT have it here ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:56, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Wait... aahhh... now its better. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 06:00, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Good. I think that's a good comprimise for us all, after all although it does break that page, it can't harm the wiki any more than any other page can as it's just a long line of text. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 06:04, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Actually... its not only a really long line of text... and you know it. This line of text can be easily used to cause harm in the wrong hands. And you, my friend, is making some really strange friends in the Scroll Wars wiki (amazing is cool, i am talking about 3pages). --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 06:16, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Yes, thats true, but if no one draws any attention to it then nobody will notice it. Anyway 3page isn't too bad, he seems alright. I mean, once you get to know him a bit he's just the same as anyone else. Well thats how I feel about him anyway. Sure he's a repeat vandal here but on the Scroll Wars Wiki he helps out, so thats enough for me to give him a chance. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 06:31, 21 September 2006 (BST)

You give him a chance in the form of more destructive methods of vandalising. Cyberbob  Talk  06:38, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Jedaz wasn't the first using that kind of vandalism. CaptainM started it a short time before.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 06:45, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Oh, and just letting you know I didn't use it other than on my user page, just letting you know. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 06:57, 21 September 2006 (BST)

I know that. You never were a vandal, Jedaz.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 06:59, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Everything was by his own conception, I just answered the questions that he wanted to know. I would have done the same regardless of who it was. Well thats life for you, you win some and you loose some. At least now theres a policy in the works to stop this kind of thing, so thats always good for the wiki. Mind you I could probably easily derail the policy if I really wanted to by mentioning it was influenced by Amazing and was taken from the Scroll Wars Wiki, all of the Amazing haters wouldn't like that. But I'm not that nasty and I won't do that. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 06:50, 21 September 2006 (BST)

You just did, tool. Cyberbob  Talk  07:05, 21 September 2006 (BST)

I ment on the policy page, it's not like everyone checks my talk page, if you didn't realize I'm not the center of the universe. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 07:11, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks

I had no idea I could do that. That would have taken me one second to do instead of all the hassle I went through. Johnny_Lunchpail 13:57, 21 September 2006 (BST)

No worries. I'm glad I could help. - Jedaz - 14:49/21/11/2024 14:00, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Redundancy

You know as well as I do; to allow greater flexibility in the advent of divergence from the previous norm in encoding. It's also not 10,000 times, but 10,000 times per character, more if you include characters that have only minor glyph differences. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:14, 3 October 2006 (BST)

"…planting evil seeds…" ring a bell? The evil text was one of them, I'm not stupid Jedaz. It's clear you made up your mind to get some kind of "revenge" for people not stroking your ego enough when you went to Scroll Wars, a bad day or talking about hpyotheticals I could understand, 72 hours of rhetoric is not "a bad day". You would have contested it on the grounds of there needing to be an example. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 13:41, 3 October 2006 (BST)

People have been banned for less than that and no one has batted an eyelid, you could argue a technicality but you can't be held accountable if your colleagues won't hold you to it. While that does leave the system open to abuse, it also gives us more than enough leeway to dodge punishing a moderator over a technicality. Remember how people put copyrighted images on their user pages and we can remove them without prior warning? That's the system at work; ignoring a technicality to ensure the wiki doesn't go down due to lawsuits. Even banning an IP range could be technically considered abuse as we are potentially blocking legitimate users as well. When no one cares that it's a technicality because of how grossly something breaks the spirit of the rules, there is no possibility of a mod getting "punished" over it. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:08, 3 October 2006 (BST)

You do realise that you are saying that rigidly sticking to the rules is best, even when it penalises those who shouldn't be punished, and allows those who should be punished to get off scot-free, right? I thought that was the reason the wiki had these problems in the first place! IF we could have, y'know, banned Scinfaxi for his constant antagonising of Amazing we wouldn't be here today, what you've just argued in favour of is preserving the status quo. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:30, 3 October 2006 (BST)

Can't ban you? Are you sure of that? You obviously didn't realise it at the time, buy you have slipped up in this conversation, I'm merely continuing it to humour you. You've already given me enough to have you permabanned. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:27, 3 October 2006 (BST)