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This page is for discussion about the page [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. '''This is not the place for discussing new suggestions.''' Putting a suggestion up for discussion can be done [[Talk:Suggestions|here]]. Discussion about the suggestions system in general takes place [[Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]]. New topics go at the top.
This page is for discussion about the page [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. '''This is not the place for discussing new suggestions.''' Putting a suggestion up for discussion can be done [[Developing Suggestions|here]]. Discussion about the suggestions system in general takes place [[Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion|here]]. New topics go at the top.
Archives of the discussions can be found [[Category talk:Current Suggestions/Archive|here]].
Archives of the discussions can be found [[Category talk:Current Suggestions/Archive|here]].


== Question of Procedure ==
'''See the [[Category talk:Current Suggestions/Archive|archive]] for old discussions.'''
Is it possible for a suggestor to request that his suggestion be pulled from voting early and then resubmit it with significant changes? Just thought I'd ask before running upp against some sort of brick wall or something. --[[User:Specialist290|'''Specialist290''']] [[User talk:Specialist290|{{c|black|♠}}]][[User:Specialist290/Huey_P_Long|{{c|red|♥}}]][[User:Specialist290/PB|{{c|black|♣}}]]{{c|red|♦}} 21:15, 4 June 2008 (BST)
:[[Suggestions:Cycling_Instructions#Revised|You can do it all by yourself]]. Then you just make the second version as a new suggestion. --{{User:Midianian/Sig}} 21:21, 4 June 2008 (BST)
::Duly noted. Thanks. --[[User:Specialist290|'''Specialist290''']] [[User talk:Specialist290|{{c|black|♠}}]][[User:Specialist290/Huey_P_Long|{{c|red|♥}}]][[User:Specialist290/PB|{{c|black|♣}}]]{{c|red|♦}} 21:27, 4 June 2008 (BST)


==Combine Current and Previous Day's Suggestions==
With the low number of suggestions being made these days, I think it would be best if we removed the previous days suggestions section, and just allowed all suggestions (that arn't removed for [[Spam|other]] [[Dupe|reasons]]) to remain in the main section until cycled <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:04 28 February 2009 (BST)</small>
:I concur. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


==Define WTF Centaur==
I disagree. The difference I find helpful, as do other users that are undecided and wish to wait on the community's opinions. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
WTF,man?  Dude, like, seriously, WTF?  WTF is a WTF Centaur? I've never heard of such a thing before. Yet, everywhere, I see stuff about them being bad.  I also can't find definitions of WTF Centaurs or what they are.  I think if they're going to be banned from suggestions, they should be defined.  The closest thing I can come to a WTF Centaur is pasting "WTF" on Centaur Man from MM6, like in this picture.  Can somebody fill me in on a WTF Centaur?  Maybe officially define it on the pages where it says not to have those?  Thanks.
:How does having the two sections (one of which is often empty anyway if it's being cycled regularly) help make up your mind? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:54 28 February 2009 (BST)</small>
I'm torn. I can see the logic in what Boxy says, but the category is there for a reason, and Iscariot has a point. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5131/wtfcentaurlg4.png
I'm going to agree with Iscariot on this on. Some people don't get a chance to look in every day or two, so it's nice for those people to see what's new-ish and what's been up for a few days already. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 10:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:The listing includes the date the suggestion was made, plus they're in chronological order (or at least should be). --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 12:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 16:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd go for this:
*Suggestions volume is not what it once was thanks in no small part to the revamped [[Developing Suggestions]].
*Doing this would make it easier to view all the suggestions currently up for voting via the handy "Current Suggestions" template included on them all.
*And ultimately, I'm a fan of productive laziness. <tt>:)</tt>
{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


:[[WTF Centaurs]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The current format is too long if we're going to start keeping them on the list until they close. IMO one suggestion shouldn't take more than one row. Perhaps move to a similar (table) format as [[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|Recently Closed Suggestions]]? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


You had to fucking ask didn't you??? The whole stupid fad has pretty much died out (and long may it burn!) Basically what got started as a genuinely funny remark got band-wagoned until it seemed like some morons couldn't finish a sentence without including at least one "'''OMGWTFCENTAURS'''" in it. Revive it and i will find you and feed you to my Dawg. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 21:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Just in case folks aren't checking the appropriate page, there's discussion related to this topic [[Category_talk:Suggestions#The_Suggestion_Portal|here]]. Please comment if you have an opinion one way or the other. It affects more than just this page (e.g. the templates included on suggestion pages and the like), hence why it wasn't posted here. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:14, 22 September 2010 (BST)


That's like asking if anybody's heard of Chuck Norris in the Barrens. This isn't even a suggestions, kind of a halfhearted request. --[[User:Vandurn|Vandurn]] 14:01, 2 April 2008 (BST)
==Humorous Suggestions==
What does everyone think about putting humorous suggestions in the [[Template:Wiki News|wiki news]]?  It could be done exactly like current suggestions:<br>
''A new [[Humorous Suggestions|Humorous Suggestion]] has been submitted.  All users are encouraged to vote [[Humorous_Suggestions#Crotch_Rot_and_Mansack|here]].''<br>
On the one hand I could see it being spamish, on the other, it might be refreshing and fun.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 01:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:No. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:No. Why would serious suggestions be contained to Current Suggestions whilst crap gets preference and gets put onto the Main Page? No. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DimGray|Crimson}}-- 01:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::Current Suggestions aren't listed, so why should we do it for humorous ones?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I thought for sure I'd seen ''"Several game changes are being suggested.  All users are encouraged to vote here"'' at one time.  But if it was a hallucination or just an exception then I agree.  Humorous suggestions shouldn't get special treatment over the real ones.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::::On a similar(ish) note, perhaps noting the presence of multiple suggestions in voting in the news section would be in order. For example, there's currently a few suggestions open, while normally it's quite tumbleweedy. News-ing the fact that there's several open for voting might encourage a more diverse voter pool. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 17:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm still not fond of it. Although we do need a more diverse cross-section of voters on suggestions, most newbies don't read the whole page, and wouldn't even see that new suggestions were up. As far as I can tell, people go straight to the suburb/skill pages when they're starting off. Then comes groups. Some people end up at suggestions quite early, but I don't see the news section making the difference.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 18:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::It would be more for the benefit of those who already would vote, but don't regularly check what's there to be voted on. I know at least a few guys who occasionally drop in their input but only when guided towards something. Making a little notice of it might catch the attention of a few more of those types. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 18:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'll have to agree to Misanthropy here.  Moar voaterz are betterz, in general.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 18:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It would be a simple thing to list new suggestions on the main page (or anywhere else) automatically, but simply making a section for it, and including <nowiki>{{:Category:Current Suggestions}}</nowiki> to list any new additions as they happen <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 22:34 20 November 2009 (BST)</small>
::::::::::I don't think your idea would be damaging or bad Boxy, but I also believe that everyone who is interested in voting has [[Current Suggestions]] in their watchlist. What would that list do, other than provide eye-spam?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm certain some people do not. I, for instance, do not.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 17:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


==Auto-author keep==
::Because '''1'''. the average serious suggestion is of no better quality than the average humorous one and '''2'''.  Posting on the humorous suggestions page is rarer (only about one a month) than current suggestions (1-2 per week.) so it doesn't matter so much if it is spammy. --[[User:Explodey|Explodey]] 02:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I've been working on a way to make an auto-author keep vote appear on a new suggestion. This would make it much easier to do and cut down on a few clicks. Basically, it would involve adding a piece of code under the Keep Votes section of [[Template:SuggestionVoting]] similar to <nowiki>#'''Author Keep''' - {{{1}}}</nowiki> and then a change to [[Template:SugHead]] so that the last line you need to copy becomes: <nowiki>{{Subst:SuggestionVoting|1=~~~~}}</nowiki>. This would then insert a signed author keep vote into the suggestion automatically. :) What do you reckon? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Suggestions have a (supposed) purpose; humorous ones don't.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
:Bad idea, authors abstain for any number of reasons, not the least of which is there have been cases where the author has come back and kill'ed their own suggestion.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::It's true that humorous suggestions don't have an in-game purposeHowever, one of the better qualities of this wiki is in it's entertainment valueSometimes you just want to say something funny or utterly stupid.   In those cases, it would be nice if humorous suggestions got a little bit of love, like showing up in Current Suggestions. Having just written one myself, I found the process of submitting a humorous suggestion to be very unsatisfying.
::True story. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Thirded --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 08:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, I've been wanting this myself, and many voters don't know/remember to vote keep on their own suggestion, as it should seem to be common senseAs for people coming back and removing their own suggestions, they should be able to do so just fine by simply stating so somehow, like with those picture thingies that say they removed them for whatever reasons...Speaking of such, I want to pull my suggestion from voting about the elevated railways for further developmentHow do I do that?  I made a post at the top to halt voting. That's all I know how to do.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If they do not read the [[Template:SugVoteRules|Voting Rules]], then they deserve to have one '''Keep''' less (though it ''could'' also be mentioned somewhere else than just in the example at the bottom). There's also the fact that many authors put additional notes or comments into their vote, which makes an automatic templated author keep sub-optimal. --{{User:Midianian/Sig}} 12:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::I for one always appreciate bad comments having no Keeps due to author stupidity. --[[User:Vandurn|Vandurn]] 14:03, 2 April 2008 (BST)


==Votes on the Merits of the Suggestion Alone==
::::Also Explodey's point is well taken, and there are a crap ton of very unfunny humorous suggestions. It would be nice to put [[Humorous_Suggestions|HS]] up for a vote in a timely manner and move them through to peer reviewed/unfunny archive just like regular suggestions. That would clean out the duds and create an enjoyable peer reviewed section to read.  
i think we need a box, akin the ones we have in [[A/VB]], to remind people to vote on the merits of the suggestion alone for implementation anytime in the future, not if this should be implemented right away. I see a lot of people saying ''harmans dont need buff, they are overpowered already'' or ''zmobies are already over 9000! they dont need buff''... this is wrong. People should vote if the suggestion fits inside the game, not if it fits NOW in the game. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:I like that idea.  Although, there are some suggestions that do depend on when they are implemented, but those are usually lame ones about increasing accuracy of so-and-so.  Don't know if a box can actually have much of an effect, but it's worth a try. --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 03:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::*nods* worth a try --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 07:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Bit of a difference between the two things you mention, specifically "''harmans dont need buff, they are overpowered already''" Is a great example of valid voting based on the effect the suggestion has on game balance. "''zmobies are already over 9000! they dont need buff''" is not, as it's voting based on the numbers of people in that class/state(and ignoring the general long term state of the game).--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::Those are indeed 2 different types of justification but neither is very valid. I think we have all seen kill/spam votes like :"Survivors are already at 60%, they don't need a buff" and "The new Zombie buffs are waay nerfing my trenchie... no more zed buffs!" relative power /numbers should not affect how you vote, balancing anything implemented is something Kevan seems to work fairly hard on. If a suggestion is good but would make one side heavily outpower the other he will balance it with a similar buff for the other side. He might not do it at the same time but he will keep the playing field at least nominally even if at all possible! Unless we start allowing linked suggestions (a very bad idea) almost any suggestion is going to buff one side or the other, meaning that some very good suggestions get shot down by people only concerned with their own narrow point of view. A better plan would be to ban all but the "dual nature/opportunist" players from voting ;) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=over+9000 See the second explanation.] I hate when i need to explain a joke, specially one about an internet meme in an internet board/wiki :P Anyway, if i say ''let's buff the {insert class here} by 15% with this and that suggestion'', people need to vote on the merit of the suggestion, not if it's going to be implemented right away. Like, add a machine gun to UD... it fits the genre, but would be overkill if implemented right now...  --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 11:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Man, Hagnat, Over 9000 isn't always used to refer to power of something, mostly it is actually used to refer to an actual number, usually the size of a group.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think people should only vote on the merits. It's Kevan's job to actually implement it, and getting a suggestion into PR doesn't necessarily mean implementation. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


== Dupe Change ==
::::Finally, this might discourage some vandalism by providing an outlet for people who wanted the attention of making a humorous suggestion and having others vote on it.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Humorous vandalism happens once every 6 months and we have enough trouble cycling other "[[UDWiki:Community Portal|fundamentally important]]" sections of the wiki's voting systems already, why add this to those? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DimGray|Crimson}}-- 12:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::For the love of the game.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 15:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


There's been discussion over whether voters that think a suggestion is original should have the ability to counteract Dupes. Also, there's been discussion in the past over whether Dupe and Spam should be in the same category. Here's what I suggest:
== Closure ==


Dupe becomes a fourth category. Dupes aren't considered votes anymore, they're just a section on the bottom to provide dupe links, agree with dupe links, or disagree with dupe links. You can vote AND put your comment in the Dupe section, choosing Dupe or Not Dupe. With a minimum of 3 comments considering it a Dupe, if 2/3rds of people agree it is a Dupe it can be removed. For example:
Should we just be closing the suggestions system? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 10:43, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:I'm sure nothing bad would happen if we did. Perhaps also add a "highlighted suggestions list" with brief descriptions throughout UD's 14 year history if anyone wants to make up a project (not me). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
'''KEEP'''
:I endorse closure. Should we protect the pages so people don't edit by accident? (In addition to a banner or the like.) {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 16:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
#Great! -Bill Nye the science guy
::Yes and yes. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
#Meh, fine. -Teapot Dome
:::It used to be such a huge component of Wiki activity... Should we consider putting through A/PD to ensure the community has the chance to share their thoughts on it? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig5}} 23:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Yes, or an open discussion at least. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
'''KILL'''
:::::I doubt a lot of people would be invested in a discussion, but it's the right way to do this :) {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 11:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
#I like my idea better. -Rube Goldberg
#Too powerful I think --Doubting Thomas
 
'''SPAM'''
#Totally pointless. -Domino
#Not pointless enough. -Rally
 
'''DUPE'''
*'''Dupe''' of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Example_page this] I think. Note the same use of consonants. -Teapot Dome.
*'''Dupe''' Yeah! You're right! - Doubting Thomas.
*'''Original''' My idea is better but I think there's a difference. -Rube Goldberg
*'''Original''' I don't care enough about this idea to vote either way but I agree it's different. -Abstainiator
*'''Original''' Come on guys! It's great! -Bill Nye the science guy
*'''Dupe''' Totally pointless just like the previous suggestion. -Domino
--[[User:Jon Pyre|Jon Pyre]] 23:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 
Hmmm, I dono, you forgot to sign. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Woops, thanks for reminding me. You <i>are</i> helpful! --[[User:Jon Pyre|Jon Pyre]] 23:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::No problems. Looks fair enough to me. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Are you just doing this because of the dupe votes you got for your current suggestion? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::My selfish ulterior motive doesn't prevent this from being a good idea : ) Actually, I've been thinking about this since a suggestion of mine was Duped a few weeks ago. --[[User:Jon Pyre|Jon Pyre]] 23:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::He's got a point. Seperate dupe section could be a good thing.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 23:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::I support this, as many times the majority thinks an idea is good, but a few dupe it as a somewhat similar idea as an easy way to stop it from passing.--{{User:Rictor_Stilwell/sig}} 23:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 
With this system we'll get people voting not dupe simply because they really like the suggestion, regardless of how close it is. We'll end up with multiple popular suggestions in peer reviewed. A much better way to do it is to allow dupes to be put back up for voting after removal to see if they should replace the original one in the archives (ie. instead of voting keep/kill you'd vote replace/kill) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 23:45 11 February 2008 (BST)</small>
 
:Or maybe a seperate page to vote on addendums to existing PR suggestions, that are voted on, either as an improvement or to update the suggestion in PR in light of game changes. THen the addendums get added in the form of an explainatory note on the suggestion itself.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 23:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:: Sounds good. These things shouldn't be frozen in stone as the game changes around them. And why shouldn't better ideas be prevented just because something along those lines has been suggested before? --[[User:Jon Pyre|Jon Pyre]] 06:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::That reminds me, [[User:Boxy|Boxy]]? What ever happened to that?--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::The idea last time it was suggested? It's just never had someone push it through to voting. It really needs someone to take it to their sandbox, and work through it slowly to iron out the detail between a few contributors, before being brought to policy discussion. These pages are just too big to keep an eye on. Discussions get out of hand, and we end up no where <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:38 13 February 2008 (BST)</small>
:::::Actually I believe you said ''you'' were going to work on developing it after you proposed it a few times. That's what I meant. --<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 18:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
An anti-dupe thing is absurd as it would be abused quickly, many people often even comment that they think dupe voters are evil because they ''correctly'' vote dupe. There are people who actively go out of their way to make sure things don't get duped no matter how similar they are, it's the same problem as [[:Category_talk:Current_Suggestions#For.2C_Against.2C_Dupe|this here]] even brought up by the same person who was back then annoyed with people voting dupe on one of his suggestions. Also, wrong place, revisions and discussion one the Suggestions system goes to [[:Category_talk:Suggestions]], this is for discussion on the Current Suggestions page.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 
Something definately needs to be done. At present, a lot of ideas cannot be suggested because, regardless of how good they are, they are voted as dupes of badly thought out and/or horribly overpowered suggestions.--[[User:Studoku|Studoku]] 01:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 
Yeah, the dupe system needs revamping either that or we need to hire a lawyer to keeep up with all the dupes votes. I'm still not totally clear as to why we worry about dupes.  If someone wants to keep plugging something and having it killed, so what?  [[User:Gabdewulf|gabdewulf]] 15:57, 19 May 2008 (BST)
 
While I think the suggestion system needs more comprehensive improvement, in the time being this would be a positive change. Suggestions should not be eliminated simply because something vaguely similar has been suggested in the past. This makes it impossible to improve on previous ideas so the community might respond better. I would like to see this change in procedure implemented. --[[User:Zhani|Zhani]] 22:20, 3 September 2008 (BST)
 
==Who is cycling the Suggestions?==
Uh...Who's cycling the suggestions? As of now, the first 4 sugestions on the "Under voting" list are already past 2 weeks by a day or 2.  And already, I see a few late votes on some of them. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:Whoever gets to them first. No need to panic, yours got in reviewed --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 19:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:Usually Midianian.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:It's not hard to do. Why didn't you do it Axe Hack? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:38 18 February 2008 (BST)</small>
 
== Turn [[Talk:Suggestions]] into a disambiguation bewteen this page and Developing Suggestions ==
 
It's simply more a housekeeping issue- people who go to [[Talk:Suggestions]] (especially newer users) might want to talk about the suggestions system itself, instead of just wanting [[Developing Suggestions]]. Although the redirect was useful for the first few weeks of the [[Developing Suggestions]] page, everyone knows about it now, so I think it's time for a disambiguation. This falls into the "I can't see why not" category, but if anyone has any objections... [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] [[Malton College of Medicine|<span style="color: Blue">MCM</span>]] </sup> 06:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:I have no objections about making it a disambiguation, but it shouldn't point here, it should point to [[Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]&nbsp;<small><sup><span style="background-color:black;color:yellow">'''Big&nbsp;Brother&nbsp;Diary&nbsp;Room:&nbsp;[512,15]'''</span></sup></small> 12:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::Or we could do some very strange work around type thingy and make all three pages template inclusions on each other so that all three of those pages have the same content at all times :D.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Pointless. just a usual disambiguation page would serve best --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 09:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::::The point would be to eliminate the confusion that already abounds from just two pages from getting worse with two pages and a high profile redirect.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::Or you could leave it the way it is, or put "''Want to talk about the suggestions system? Try [[Category talk:Current Suggestions]].''" at the top of Developing Suggestions. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:26, 29 July 2019

This page is for discussion about the page Category:Current Suggestions. This is not the place for discussing new suggestions. Putting a suggestion up for discussion can be done here. Discussion about the suggestions system in general takes place here. New topics go at the top. Archives of the discussions can be found here.

See the archive for old discussions.

Combine Current and Previous Day's Suggestions

With the low number of suggestions being made these days, I think it would be best if we removed the previous days suggestions section, and just allowed all suggestions (that arn't removed for other reasons) to remain in the main section until cycled -- boxy talkteh rulz 02:04 28 February 2009 (BST)

I concur. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. The difference I find helpful, as do other users that are undecided and wish to wait on the community's opinions. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 02:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

How does having the two sections (one of which is often empty anyway if it's being cycled regularly) help make up your mind? -- boxy talkteh rulz 02:54 28 February 2009 (BST)

I'm torn. I can see the logic in what Boxy says, but the category is there for a reason, and Iscariot has a point. Linkthewindow  Talk  02:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Iscariot on this on. Some people don't get a chance to look in every day or two, so it's nice for those people to see what's new-ish and what's been up for a few days already. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 10:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The listing includes the date the suggestion was made, plus they're in chronological order (or at least should be). --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 12:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd go for this:

  • Suggestions volume is not what it once was thanks in no small part to the revamped Developing Suggestions.
  • Doing this would make it easier to view all the suggestions currently up for voting via the handy "Current Suggestions" template included on them all.
  • And ultimately, I'm a fan of productive laziness. :)

ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 12:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The current format is too long if we're going to start keeping them on the list until they close. IMO one suggestion shouldn't take more than one row. Perhaps move to a similar (table) format as Recently Closed Suggestions? --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 09:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Just in case folks aren't checking the appropriate page, there's discussion related to this topic here. Please comment if you have an opinion one way or the other. It affects more than just this page (e.g. the templates included on suggestion pages and the like), hence why it wasn't posted here. Aichon 00:14, 22 September 2010 (BST)

Humorous Suggestions

What does everyone think about putting humorous suggestions in the wiki news? It could be done exactly like current suggestions:
A new Humorous Suggestion has been submitted. All users are encouraged to vote here.
On the one hand I could see it being spamish, on the other, it might be refreshing and fun.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

No. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
No. Why would serious suggestions be contained to Current Suggestions whilst crap gets preference and gets put onto the Main Page? No. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Current Suggestions aren't listed, so why should we do it for humorous ones? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I thought for sure I'd seen "Several game changes are being suggested. All users are encouraged to vote here" at one time. But if it was a hallucination or just an exception then I agree. Humorous suggestions shouldn't get special treatment over the real ones.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
On a similar(ish) note, perhaps noting the presence of multiple suggestions in voting in the news section would be in order. For example, there's currently a few suggestions open, while normally it's quite tumbleweedy. News-ing the fact that there's several open for voting might encourage a more diverse voter pool. Nothing to be done! 17:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm still not fond of it. Although we do need a more diverse cross-section of voters on suggestions, most newbies don't read the whole page, and wouldn't even see that new suggestions were up. As far as I can tell, people go straight to the suburb/skill pages when they're starting off. Then comes groups. Some people end up at suggestions quite early, but I don't see the news section making the difference.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
It would be more for the benefit of those who already would vote, but don't regularly check what's there to be voted on. I know at least a few guys who occasionally drop in their input but only when guided towards something. Making a little notice of it might catch the attention of a few more of those types. Nothing to be done! 18:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I'll have to agree to Misanthropy here. Moar voaterz are betterz, in general.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 18:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
It would be a simple thing to list new suggestions on the main page (or anywhere else) automatically, but simply making a section for it, and including {{:Category:Current Suggestions}} to list any new additions as they happen -- boxy talkteh rulz 22:34 20 November 2009 (BST)
I don't think your idea would be damaging or bad Boxy, but I also believe that everyone who is interested in voting has Current Suggestions in their watchlist. What would that list do, other than provide eye-spam? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm certain some people do not. I, for instance, do not.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Because 1. the average serious suggestion is of no better quality than the average humorous one and 2. Posting on the humorous suggestions page is rarer (only about one a month) than current suggestions (1-2 per week.) so it doesn't matter so much if it is spammy. --Explodey 02:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Suggestions have a (supposed) purpose; humorous ones don't. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
It's true that humorous suggestions don't have an in-game purpose. However, one of the better qualities of this wiki is in it's entertainment value. Sometimes you just want to say something funny or utterly stupid. In those cases, it would be nice if humorous suggestions got a little bit of love, like showing up in Current Suggestions. Having just written one myself, I found the process of submitting a humorous suggestion to be very unsatisfying.
Also Explodey's point is well taken, and there are a crap ton of very unfunny humorous suggestions. It would be nice to put HS up for a vote in a timely manner and move them through to peer reviewed/unfunny archive just like regular suggestions. That would clean out the duds and create an enjoyable peer reviewed section to read.
Finally, this might discourage some vandalism by providing an outlet for people who wanted the attention of making a humorous suggestion and having others vote on it.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Humorous vandalism happens once every 6 months and we have enough trouble cycling other "fundamentally important" sections of the wiki's voting systems already, why add this to those? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
For the love of the game.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 15:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Closure

Should we just be closing the suggestions system? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 10:43, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure nothing bad would happen if we did. Perhaps also add a "highlighted suggestions list" with brief descriptions throughout UD's 14 year history if anyone wants to make up a project (not me). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
I endorse closure. Should we protect the pages so people don't edit by accident? (In addition to a banner or the like.) Bob Moncrief EBDW! 16:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes and yes. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
It used to be such a huge component of Wiki activity... Should we consider putting through A/PD to ensure the community has the chance to share their thoughts on it? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 23:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, or an open discussion at least. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
I doubt a lot of people would be invested in a discussion, but it's the right way to do this :) PB&J 11:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)