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Aichon

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Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Please be aware of the following guidelines before posting here.

• New conversations should be started at the bottom using a level two header (e.g. ==Header==). Or with the +
• I like to keep conversations wherever they start, but if a conversation ends up here, I will keep it here.
• I will format comments for stylistic reasons, delete comments for whatever reason, and generally do anything else within reason.

Thanks. —Aichon—

NOTICE

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Are we allowed to make categories specifically for pages in the User: namespace?

As it says on the tin. I know it's silly but I was thinking of placing the pages of a UD-style mini-game (like the ones using AHLG's templates) under a category. Wasn't sure if it's allowed or otherwise. It's just so I can have all those pages linked to one another without having to "play through" the entire story each time I need to fix something. Thank you in advance! -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UT)} 07:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Categories are fine, though it sounds like Special:PrefixIndex may also fit the bill, and it wouldn't involve having to add a load of categories to a load of pages. E.g. All of the pages in my userspace. —Aichon— 07:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

SpecialPrefix could be used for what you need, and using that method could theoretically be used for AHLG's game too. For example, prefixindexing "DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit" brings up only the sandpit pages with that prefix. Similarly, out of the billion pages in AHLG's namespace, you could bring up each "level" by adding the level as a suffix, for example, "A Helpful Little Gnome/Church" brings up the church section. There's no reason why you couldn't just use categories, but the advantage of this method, I'd imagine, is that it's automatic. The disadvantage would be that once you'd made the name you'd only be able to search using that name so you'd want to make sure it was all planned in advance. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both for your answers! Each side of the mini-game had pages that had a common prefix, so I'm glad this kind of automation exists. I would have dreaded editing each of the pages manually just to add them into a category. Is it just like searching by prefix? -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UT)} 12:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Yup. If the page is named "User:X/AWESOME_NAME", you can search for "User:X/AWESOME" and get all of the results that match, including AWESOME_NAME. —Aichon— 14:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again! :D -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UT)} 22:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Image Size

I reduced it to 27KB! Is that better? ^_^ --- Alex Yamata 14:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

It is, but you also lost your transparency, it appears, which means it looks a bit odd on a purple background. ;) —Aichon— 14:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixed! Yeah, noticed that the last second. And I couldn't update the picture, kept giving that MIME thing that pissed me off. It's now a gif with 37KB, sorry! Could you delete http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:RecruitEmblemHUC.jpeg ? --- Alex Yamata 15:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, I put Hyper-Umbrella at the bottom because I thought Hyper- as being like "the book." You'd put "The Book" in B, right? --- Alex Yamata 15:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

When it comes to lexicographical ordering, prefixes are not skipped. Generally only articles (e.g. a, an, the) are skipped. And sure, I've gone ahead and deleted the image. —Aichon— 15:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Coding Your Talk Page

Jeezes holy shiz you did a lot of work here. I just went to look how you did you header and it links to a dozen other templates holy ffff... Amazing work Aichon! --- Alex Yamata 15:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. And yeah, there are quite a few template calls, for better or worse. —Aichon— 15:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Roleplay Notice Category?

I thought I'd give it a category since it's used so much, and it would help people find other roleplay groups and players... but I don't think the code I used seemed to work... Template:RoleplayNotice --- Alex Yamata 16:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes there's already a tool to do what you want and you don't need to do any coding at all. ;) —Aichon— 16:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

There goes my suggestion out the window! >:P --- Alex Yamata 16:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

O-o... d-did I re-post a giant thing of text you had deleted? I ...I don't know what I did... I'm sorry :x [1] --- Alex Yamata 16:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit conflicts. They happen. No worries. —Aichon— 16:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The Wiki Past

Holy crap I stumbled into some dark times of the Wiki. Banning of Amazing, the PQN, that wiki coup, everything else, goodness! What have you sysop's suffered? I know this has nothing to do with anything but bringing up the past, but really, I can't have already seen it all, have I? And to think, I found it all through that weird trenchcoater.jpb file... Aichon how much have you had to deal with similar to that stuff? That shiz was crazy! I am never going back again! --- Alex Yamata 16:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I actually arrived after most of that stuff, since I first showed up in the autumn of '09. Things have, for the most part, been pretty positive since then. Amazing and Grim were both unbanned, as were several others, and the wiki has kinda settled down (or died off, depending on your perspective). —Aichon— 16:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Amazing's Wikigate and Grim's coup were definitely the two biggest bombs in wiki history, but there have definitely been hundreds of mini events that give me a headache to remember. Most of them revolved around Iscariot. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Was the coup about like, Grim removing sysop from everyone or something? What did Amazing do? --- Alex Yamata 12:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It's hard to explain without a fair amount of context. In a simple, opinionated form, Grim s was a sysop known for being very hard to deal with on the wiki. He became a bureaucrat and not long after he was accused of using his sysop status as a way to bully users and fellow sysops into constantly having his way. The final straw was when he debated that a Historical Group nomination wasn't applicable, and in the heat of the debate, he simply removed it completely, citing that it wasn't valid. Whether he was using his sysop status inappropriately is up to debate, but the overarching theme of the misconduct case seemed to be that the long-term interactions with Grim had caused many members of the community, including many sysops, to feel that he was a detriment to the team and to the wiki community.

Was it a witch hunt? Probably. Was it warranted? I don't think so, but when it became apparent Grim was going to be demoted, he seized control of the wiki and implemented his own new wiki constitution, so to speak. He didn't do it to stop himself being demoted, he had this new system planned for a while, but due to circumstances outside of his control, only had this moment to implement it. He did, sysops dobbed and Kevan demoted Grim personally and reinstated all the sysops. So after two weeks of the most intense drama the wiki has ever seen, Grim took control of the wiki, basically with crazy manifesto in hand, and was smite down. It was the greatest end to an amazing buildup. Like, no context can really explain how jaw-dropping that half-an-hour was when Grim had declared the wiki his. It was something I called up my IRL UD friends about to let them know what was happening because it was so insane. Then I got laughed at.

It changed the wiki forever (seriously). A ZOMBIE ANT 13:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

As for Amazing, that was before my time in the very early days of the wiki, but basically Arbitration was used a lot more back then to solve conflicts between users. Basically Amazing apparently put up an arbitration case against a score of users, and then it got split into like 20 individual cases, and just engulfed the wiki in madness for weeks on end. Then Amazing ended up getting banned for something. It was all very wild-west in those days of the Wiki by the looks of it. A ZOMBIE ANT 13:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Grim was in no immediate danger of being de-'crated or de-sysoped, since I wasn't for it (or actually around for the event to form much of an opinion). Everything was in everyone's head. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It was all for fun and games. The wiki became an extension of the game and became a second battlefield for players to fight in. Amazing was a controversial user, with a lot of hatred towards him. He decided to go against a lot of power users in the wiki and the game, which lead to his downfall. But, despite being on the opposite side of Amazing when the entire thing built up, i kind of got sad when he was finally banned for life. He was a worthy foe. I eventually got in touch with him and managed to get him unbanned from the wiki, but the wiki was a different place then. But, yeah, it was crazy times back then :) --hagnat 19:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration

Is an Arbitrator like a sort of judge? --- Alex Yamata 12:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

More like a mediator than a judge, though the roles are somewhat similar at times. Basically, two parties come to them with a problem, and it's the arbitrator's job to find out what the best solution is, which usually means a solution that neither side is happy about so that they're encouraged to solve the problems between themselves in the future.

Also, if you're poking around looking for things to do, I'll point you towards this guide. It's not exactly applicable to you at the moment, since you haven't expressed an interest in being a sysop, but some of the stuff in there would apply to someone interested in just helping about, particularly the stuff near the end. —Aichon— 12:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking to be a sysop probably wouldn't end up well, right? On the side of wiki use, I haven't seemed to be very stable, and wiki function, I'm sharing my computer with my brother (Though he saves his sign-in info, I don't) --- Alex Yamata 12:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

If you tried to sign up as a sysop right now, I seriously doubt it'd end well, but I can't speak towards how the landscape will look in a few months. —Aichon— 12:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a more private place I can talk to you about something? I suppose it can be done here, I just have a preference for something like this to be elsewhere. Forum PM or Email? --- Alex Yamata 12:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

IRC work? Just click the link and give it a screen name, and it'll take you to the #udwiki channel (i.e. the chatroom for the wiki), which is relatively private, since only Revenant and myself are there at the moment. But I'm a bit tied up right now, since I'm under a deadline and at work for the day already, so I'll be answering in between that stuff. —Aichon— 12:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Just Looking For An Opinion

And if it was good, I guess it could be considered my first Wiki work. The Acourt Arms was really messy with all those dates as headers, so I cleaned it up, reformatted, and even made an Archive... was that good in your opinion? Not 'good enough,' I mean, should I not have done it? --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 16:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

My honest opinion to a change like that is "indifference". What you did is fine and there's no problems with what you did, from what I can see, but I'm not sure what the goal was. If the headers being confusing were the issue, you could have switched them from being == to being ==== headers, that way they fell under the Current Status heading, rather than standing out from it, which would also allow you to keep all of that information on the main page. If the issue was that there was simply too much information on the page, then archiving it was the right thing to do.

I dunno. Any lurkers reading this want to chime in? I'm rather apathetic towards building location pages, since I tend to let the people who actually care about the location do what they want with it, so pretty much anything reasonable is fine by me. —Aichon— 16:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I fixed it from looking like this, where every single date had it's own header [2] To this The_Acourt_Arms/Archive --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 17:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I've made changes, so that the dated status reports become sub-headings, instead of a higher level heading, otherwise, it's all good. No real need for long out of date status reports to be on the main page. Some people put them on the talk page, rather than an archive, but as long as there's a link, it's all good -- boxy 15:47, 26 July 2014 (BST)

But why'd you make another link to the Archive? --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 10:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Because I didn't notice the one you put in, until after the page saved Feel free to remove one of them -- boxy 12:40, 29 July 2014 (BST)

Bye Aichon

The game is 75% dead, or better yet, The Dead. Earletown is now Ghost Town, so revives take an eternity to get. And to make it all worse, the Unholy Trinity have made me their sworn enemies because my Operatives decided not to revive them, so they literally are camping my H.Q. and killing me every time I revive. Thanks for helping me out, but I'm done. Tell DDR I'm sorry for the nasty things I said, I do appreciate what he tried to do that long ago. Bye --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 18:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you considered simply moving elsewhere in Malton? There are plenty of places that could use an eager and capable person. —Aichon— 19:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

They follow me and my friends. --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 20:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't advertise where you are. ;) —Aichon— 20:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

It isn't really advertising, but I guess metagaming is what the game is about anyway. Also, I don't broadcast it, I pm my friends on my own forum. But it's cool. --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 04:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

bug

I thought I noticed a bug, but it just turns out I was confused by the icon colours. Are factories supposed to have the same colours as warehouses on the minimap? A ZOMBIE ANT 11:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Warehouses aren't supposed to be colored at all unless you turned on the visibility for them yourself by modifying the code. Is a specific warehouse being colored in? It's possible it's miscategorized as a factory. —Aichon— 15:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

"Current Status"

Most building pages in the wiki have a section called "Current Status," whose last update is usually from 2008 or 2011. Given that the Danger Report at the top of the page makes such a section 100% redundant anyway, would it be OK if I started going through and deleting the "Current Status" section from building subpages? -- Jen ^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 08:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd suggest an Open Discussion on the topic. I'm fine with you archiving the old ones, but I never really cared about them at all, and I'm not in a place of authority where I can answer that for everyone. —Aichon— 14:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

remove min required votes

yup, i voted nay back then. But they were different times, we still had a lot of active users both ingame and the wiki. This is no longer the case. --hagnat 19:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Yup. I was just poking fun because I could. ;) —Aichon— 21:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

so, how are things doing for the wiki ? need someone to fuel some drama and bring some life to misconbitration ? --hagnat 04:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Eh, I guess things are winding down is the best way to put it. Or maybe that they're approaching the "long tail" on the graph, so to speak, where very little activity happens for long periods of time. There have been discussion recently about how to handle things in a sort of low maintenance mode. Maybe redefining the roles or term lengths/evaluation procedures for the various admin-type folks around here so that we don't have to go through bureaucratic administrivia to no end.

We haven't had legitimate drama (i.e. drama that spanned the wiki and pulled in everyone, rather than just being confined to a ridiculous case or two in arbitration) in so long that I really have no clue how it'd be handled these days, but it seems like most of the folks who are still around are seasoned in dealing with drama and handle it in a pretty no-nonsense way when it comes up. Plus, most of us have known each other for long enough that we can defuse our own potential drama before it becomes drama, just because we know that the other person probably didn't intend it as it sounded.

If you ever held onto any Grim-complex notions of staging a coup or remaking the wiki in your own image, now is a good time to try and make that happen, I'd say, since as I mentioned, there's a lot of interest right now in trying to lay the right foundation for the wiki that will last it basically until its end of life, and I think most of us are open to radical changes. —Aichon— 14:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

meh... i never had a God complex like grim did, so i will pass on this opportunity. Not to say that the wiki already had a lot of me in it. It was me who created or improved most of the tools in here, after all.

my 2¢ on how to work around here is forget these damn rules, forget about re-evaluation, and keep sysops on the payroll even if they become inactive. The more psyops the merrier, i once said.

Anyway, good luck running things around.--hagnat 19:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I think most of us, myself included, are coming around to that way of thinking. I've been thinking it might be a good idea to basically ditch EVERY policy and rewrite things from the ground up in a short, sweet, simple way that gets rid of the legalities and focuses more on simple principles. And yeah, there's been some talk about making the current sysops into benevolent dictators-for-life, more or less, with re-evaluations maybe only coming around in cases where there's actually a problem. —Aichon— 19:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Nup. The more boring a wiki is the more it's because it's working. Sysops are only fun during drama and we don't have drama now cause we don't have anything to whinge over. R/E got rid of the bad sysops, the trolls have gone to pastures new and it's just us anal freaks hanging around in our domain. We won. Savour it. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

New users can't make wiki accounts

Hello there! I just want to inform you that for the past few months new members cannot sign into this wiki. This is the message that keeps coming up. "Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information." I was hoping that you or any of the admins of this wiki page can look into this and solve the problem. I sent this message to Boxy as well. It would help this wiki come back to once how it was. Thank you! --LuE Colo 20:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey there. Thanks a bunch for passing that along, since I was completely unaware of it. I actually saw your message a few days ago on IRC when you first mentioned it there, but I wasn't around to respond at the time. Anyway, I've confirmed that it's happening for me as well, so I went ahead and e-mailed Kevan (the guy who created and owns all of this) about it. Beyond that, I'm afraid there's not much else we can do, since the sysops don't have the ability to access the back-end of the wiki. —Aichon— 21:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)