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Tits

are good!--Nallan (Talk) 04:17, 18 August 2008 (BST)

you vandalising slut! I treat your talk page with nothing but the utmost respect!--xoxo 07:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)

^^^^LOL UR COMMENT HAS LOST IT'S CONTEXT AND RELEVANCE LOLOLOLOLOL--Nallan (Talk) 08:30, 20 October 2008 (BST)

OH SHI- --/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 17:05, 20 October 2008 (BST)

butter? i mean, better

my entries?... soon, EVERYONE will be calling Yagoton "Dagobah"... BWAHAHHA... --WanYao 09:47, 18 August 2008 (BST)

i thought you might like that page ;) Now get to it! Where's Ketchupbank? Eh? EH? --xoxo 09:48, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Oh yeah, Ketchup' ... --WanYao 09:49, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Dagobah, is that, like, a Star Wars location? Don't say it too loud or Finis will return to the wiki. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:11, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, tis true, tis true. If you face a mirror and say anything starwars related 3 times finis (or if he's busy, one of his alts :P) jumps out and shoots you for 4 damage until they run out of ap and another finis alt will come along, say something witty, finish you off and dump your body.--xoxo 11:29, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Midichlorians, midichlorians, midichlorians. --Tselita 17:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF...--Nallan (Talk) 00:31, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Struck, however

Please remember that you do have a soft warning from July 31st and just keep your nose clean. Cheers!--– Nubis ^NWO 09:58, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah you'd better remember that Soft Warning you got from July. Or else. You heard me. Oh btw, you have 2 soft warnings now coz I said so ok?--CyberRead240 10:55, 20 August 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure i archived it so it's gone. Nothing you can do about it bitch.--xoxo 10:58, 20 August 2008 (BST)

dam....--CyberRead240 10:59, 20 August 2008 (BST)

You have been smote. Or rather de-smoted. Be good.--– Nubis ^NWO 21:52, 29 September 2008 (BST)

yuz ma'am.--xoxo 01:24, 30 September 2008 (BST)

my original signature

ya i took your code cause i thought it was purdy. ELLA^{talk <3} 07:02, 25 August 2008 (BST)

ALiMv

I dunno. I just passed those areas on the Monroeville map.
Optimum Releasing, Beatwax, Total Film
If you're logged in, Barah dot com has a quick snippit. All three are movie company buildings who had a hand in the Diary of the Dead movie. Bystander 15:16, 26 August 2008 (BST)

HEY HOWS IT GOING YOU FUCKING FILTHY

nigger--CyberRead240 16:39, 11 September 2008 (BST)

ahhh "<big>", how i love thee...--xoxo 12:55, 12 September 2008 (BST)

3-D Specs!

I mean the other day i spent 106ap repairing what took a zombie 5ap.

Apply for your template! Mine is better than yours, cuz it's in 3-D. Ish. :P --WanYao 12:32, 14 September 2008 (BST)

i don't have iwits of that, instead i use the ol' get down to one ap and actually repairing it - creates a sense of reality and danger my fans love. Although for my next one i might add your sexy template to my vast collection :D --xoxo 12:43, 14 September 2008 (BST)

EW/Brooksey

Hey, i appreciate your skepticism regarding survivor presence in eastonwood but i assure you Brooke Hills is not a ghost town. Small pockets are ruined but the majority of the suburb is in great shape. It is Lacking in both a large survivor and zombie presence, however when over 50% of the buildings in the burb at at EHB it's hard to argue a case for ghost town.--J3DSR! 13:07, 15 September 2008 (BST)

sadly the barricades have nothing to do with Ghost Towns. It's all about the number of survivors and zombies and Brooke Hills doesn't have much of both. --Experiment211 20:41, 16 September 2008 (BST)

I'm not sure where you're doing your research or if you are zombie/human and i don't want to give too much away (for obvious reasons :P) but i assure you there are multiple buildings with 3-5 survivors in them, one building i saw with over 5 survivors, one building powered (alluding to a survivor presence) as well as a smattering of buildings with one survivor in them. In addition to that there was one horde of 10 zombies...nothing huge but certainly not a ghost town.--xoxo 05:06, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Player Cunt

Details and shit here Malton Manhunt/Player Hunt 2008. You need to nominate the dude you will be using. --CyberRead240 10:46, 18 September 2008 (BST)

Please do not write that horrible word on my talk page.--xoxo 06:10, 6 October 2008 (BST)

your vote

Hello, just a heads up, Swiers withdrew from the Bureaucrat Promotion election. this means you can now vote for someone else if you so choose.--'BP^Tmz 16:27, 28 September 2008 (BST)

danke.--xoxo 00:44, 29 September 2008 (BST)

tomorrow

is ALiMs first birthday.--CyberRead240 08:22, 1 October 2008 (BST)

Suburb Groups.

Im pretty much against removing them for a number of reasons. They are.

1. Advertising helps those smaller groups, people looking for help often look at the maps first, recruitment as a page is not as high profile as it should be.

1. Its the only place on the wiki were you can find out this information simply and i feel its logical

1. I'd hate to remove the historical groups.

1. They are a lot more reflective than they used to be.

Ive been bouncing ideas round for a month or so and I was thinking about alternatives.

These include.

Subpages. Active groups are listed on a separate page, for instance Vinetown/groups

The lists of groups on sub pages link not to the group page, but rather their advert, this would give recruitment a much needed boost as a visited page, plus it would make updating the system easier. Advert expired? Remove the group from the suburb.

Group links being timestamped on the suburb pages.

All groups in a suburb being removed every x months.

--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:29, 1 October 2008 (BST)

Hmm yeah, i'm previously been a proponent of them and it was Nick and me who got the ball rolling on splitting the list into survivor/PKer/zombie :D But with this latest White Cell 6 thing (spammed a group of under 10 members onto 39 suburb pages) and an argument arising about whether or not my group should be allowed on the Eastonwood page despite being the most influential survivor group in the suburb at the time, i figured the list could be removed and as well as the recruitment page (which could be given more high profile links to increase traffic), groups that wanted to be on the suburb page could simply make occasional news updates (see Brooke Hills for an example by my group). This would actually give other people an idea of who is involved in the suburb rather than simply whose group begins with an A...anyway thanks for letting me know your opinion, i don't think i care enough to bother doing anything about it by myself.. :P --xoxo 01:38, 2 October 2008 (BST)

Do you realise

That the edits you made to yours and Nicks sigs dont actually redirect to anything? --CyberRead240 09:06, 3 October 2008 (BST)

• sigh*, Michael, know you nothing of protest? I'm getting yours in a sec unless you complain here asap... ;) --xoxo 09:08, 3 October 2008 (BST)

Arbeez

Thanks for the reminder. I've been busy so just got around to posting my side. :) -S Aline 22:50, 7 October 2008 (BST)

If I can be serious for a moment...

I'm considering mounting another case for you to be a Sysop, sometime after the HSC. With Grim obviously on the way down and out, I feel as if you could provide the link to the people that he lacked. At your last application, I really think that Grim neglected getting in contact with boxy, ignored the rousing vote of confidence you got from the public, just so he could rule no bingo against you without interruption.

So, based on the public adoration you received last time, your much improved track record as of late, and the loss of the Wiki overlord coming in no time at all, I feel you would be the perfect candidate to take the wiki in a new, SysOp-User relationship based direction.

Of course, you would need to be ok with this. I'd probably start writing it up right after HSC so in about a month or so, and I would use the last case and Grims treatment of you as evidence etc.

What you think?--CyberRead240 10:08, 8 October 2008 (BST)

I think i may have said on Grim's talk page i have no real interest in nominating myself, BUT if i had the support of my many, many adoring fans across this great wiki of ours, it's not something i'd say no to. Of course as all great politicians, i'd need a competent speech writer...--xoxo 10:10, 8 October 2008 (BST)

Maybe we make a JED08 team or something and campaign mercilessly until the masses believe our bullshit, then we can tell them you created UD and Kevan is some sort of impostor, and that you should take rightful place as wiki overlord.--CyberRead240 10:18, 8 October 2008 (BST)

The first thing i will do is apologise to the original inhabitants of this great wiki, my speech should be approximately 45 minutes long enough, just long enough so i can insert naughty words in it and no one's paying attention so they don't notice. That's right krudd...i'm onto you...

But seriously, let's go for J3D 09, 2009 will be a year of change plus means we can disassociate from the rabble that you call sysops of 08. What say you to that? A nice January campaign should do the job.--xoxo 10:22, 8 October 2008 (BST)

I'm keen, but no doubt boredom will set in one night while you are up in newcastle and we will do it earlier.--CyberRead240 10:25, 8 October 2008 (BST)

Perhaps, perhaps. Well we should get the J3D09 page ASAP, if we want this to work we'll need over the top publicity including wiki pages and random unexpected redirects, not to mention the signatures...--xoxo 10:27, 8 October 2008 (BST)

I somehow think this will be detrimental to your hopes and dreams of being promoted...--CyberRead240 10:34, 8 October 2008 (BST)

Keep dreaming. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Fuck off. :D--Nallan (Talk) 06:19, 11 October 2008 (BST)

look out, bobbys bored again--CyberRead240 06:37, 11 October 2008 (BST)

mall status

Small attempts to undermine the source which suggested I do this are futile... I know what I was told to do. And I know. I was just following orders like a good task doer. And it worked, didn't it? D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 06:21, 9 October 2008 (BST)

2 Cool

Keep your shitty template off pages that should be completely group-non-specific. I'm more than willing to go to Arbitration over this matter. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)

I'll restore the pages to their pre edit war state and you fire up the arbies then. Be sure to make it against ALiM contributors, or 2 Cool and friends or something.--xoxo 06:14, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Btw if you're interested in reaching a compromise before arbies lemme know and we can irc asap, i'll be busy over the coming weeks so this could drag out.--xoxo 06:18, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Can I be arbitot? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:23 11 October 2008 (BST)

Lul, i'm hoping an agreement can be reached without arbies as i totally don't have the time, but if it does come to that...NO! Don't worry it's nothing personal, oh wait, yes it is. :D --xoxo 06:26, 11 October 2008 (BST)

There is no compromise; your group is advertising (and claiming de facto ownership) in places it shouldn't be. The fugliness of the template is a secondary concern. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:31, 11 October 2008 (BST)

MSN plz jed :D--CyberRead240 06:53, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Can I arbitrates pls. If not, let my pal Sonny have a go. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 07:41, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Until bob clearly states what he actually wants from this case i will not accept any arbitrator.--xoxo 07:42, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Admittedly my goals have changed; they are now for the Great Fire page to be restored back to the public namespace and for a more restrained and neutral template linking to ALiM implemented instead of that other monstrosity. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 07:44, 11 October 2008 (BST)

ALiM was already in the process of getting a less obnoxious navbar.--CyberRead240 07:45, 11 October 2008 (BST)

A more neutral one? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 07:47, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Neutral to what? ALiM is fucking ALiM? And every page they created has something to do with ALiM? So what do you mean by more neutral, outline your intentions.--CyberRead240 07:49, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Fucking hell bob, this is why when i say "Would you be interested in discussing this and arranging a compromise?" You say "Yes, that would be dandy". Okay? Also, once we find someone who can do code work the navbar will improve, that is nothing to do with you. Secondly, Great Fire was created and almost exclusively edited by the ALiM crowd. Furthermore it was created as an extension of ALiM to further the fictional histories of several ALiM locations, why should it be in the public namespace? And yes, that will largely be my A/A arguement, feel free to rebut. Actually fuck A/A, just rebut it now.--xoxo 07:50, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Nah. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 07:55, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Alright.--xoxo 07:57, 11 October 2008 (BST)

What about something simple like this nav set up? It shouldn't be too hard to edit and it is a nice size. Just trying to help out. --– Nubis ^NWO 08:21, 11 October 2008 (BST)

The boobs are non negotiable. --xoxo 08:23, 11 October 2008 (BST)

We dig sweater puppies.--Nallan (Talk) 08:25, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Who doesn't? I stripped (heh I said stripped) the one you have now. Are you committed to these colors? I took out the redundant words and links. Make the Great Fire more of a "portal" page and you won't need the links for the others in the template. (Is it really a 2 Cool project or did I mess that up?)--– Nubis ^NWO 09:00, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Sysops

...Try for it, we need more of them anyway... I think a lot of people would vote yes this time around...--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 01:36, 12 October 2008 (BST)

Soon soon, besides i have to wait until we have 2 crats :P --xoxo 02:04, 12 October 2008 (BST)

Oh, and if you seriously want to save an image it has to be displayed. Just a text link to it doesn't save it. It still shows up on the list. Little FYI. Might need to start an ark.

And ^^^^^ I'd say yeah .... If you promised to behave!--– Nubis ^NWO 04:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)

dw, we've already decided that I'll take on his share while he walks the election trail.--Nallan (Talk) 04:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Dakerstown danger

According to EMRP - 21:27, 11 October 2008 (BST) "... leaving Dakerstown, counted about sixty outside ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... a lot of buildings with lights on ... only a few buildings damaged ... the Pask Building has lights on ..." (18 hours and 18 minutes ago)

That's 60 zombies outside 5 days ago and we've got 44 outside Pask NT up from 20 just 3 days ago. The town is cade strafed but sparsely populated with breathers who hold Swearse PD and Barts Hospital, maybe 50 Beerhah crew plus local FUACK and some communists. If/when the NT falls it's usually a bloodbath. I have no problems upgrading this burb to Danger, how about you? --Zeug 19:02, 16 October 2008 (BST)

Thing thing is, for survivors (which is the perspective the danger map takes) it's not dangerous really. If you sleep in a cade straffed building you stand an excellent chance of not being killed coz all the zombies are at Pask. As for Pask, it's holding very well. So yeah no real danger there. For me as a survivor by far teh biggest danger is PKing. But yeah it will be 50 zombies soon probably so meh, if you want it dangerous you can have it. I suggest you send a few zeds to knock out some more buildings though.--xoxo 05:21, 17 October 2008 (BST)

We've got just over 50 zeds standing and prone outside Pask now, and I'm just going on the danger report guidelines. I'm fine if yellow alert sends more feral brains into DK, we need them to feed and attract more feral zombies. And yes it's a nice Beerhah lock down at the moment so n00bs will be safe for a bit but that's my point ... encouraging survivors to go there is just setting them up as meatshields once the siege really gets underway. And once Pask goes it's a free for all brains fest! So it's a funny kind of 'safe' in DK at the moment, more a dangerous lull until Extinction builds the ferals to a decent number.--Zeug 06:12, 17 October 2008 (BST)

We'll see ;) Tell any PKers you're affiliated with to GTFO, they'll understand. --xoxo 06:29, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Nah they'll be fine, our PKers are zeds anyways, we generally like combat revives, axing people and then eating their brains. Mmmmmm brainzzzz --Zeug 19:59, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Revive

I r outside club hed giz revive plz--CyberRead240 12:39, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Arbitration

Apologies for the delay, RL has been hell. I have though posted an abridged form of the Order's full case on the page. I trust this will be sufficient. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:59, 22 October 2008 (BST)

Wow, i'd hate to see the unabridged.... :P Thanks pal, Southall Mansion can wait for RL. --xoxo 12:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)

In Response to your new Sig....

The answer is most probably no.--CyberRead240 07:30, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Yeah somebody was gonna link to User:Nallan, in which case the answer would most certainly be yes, but i though i might get done for vandalism what with 2 links in my sig...it'd confusing for nubbles too, and i'm all about caring for the nubbles.--xoxo 07:47, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Yeah but nobody would say 2cool. Just sayin.--CyberRead240 07:50, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Nallan would ;) --xoxo 07:52, 23 October 2008 (BST)

You'd be surprised what he says behind your back. SCANDAL.--CyberRead240 07:58, 23 October 2008 (BST)

He says it in front of me as well, hence my crippling self esteem issues... :D --xoxo 08:03, 23 October 2008 (BST)

The smiley face really made that post hahaha--CyberRead240 08:06, 23 October 2008 (BST)

I was also wondering, are you guys going to do up the colour scheme on ALiM? At the moment, the little popularity box and the LONGMANMONUMENT thing are all in the old colour, so are you going to co-ordinate it or leave it looking nice and "retro"--CyberRead240 10:25, 23 October 2008 (BST)

I can haz template?

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-01-08_2300hrs_PUBLIC/IN_4-20_Hockey_59f-1e4-e07.html

File:Image-DYrepair.jpg

-- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:31, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Heh, yes! Although i suggest you reupload that pic as a .png, the wiki does bad bad things with jpgs.....--xoxo 00:02, 25 October 2008 (BST)

IRC

join it

i need to speak with you in private >.> <.<--CyberRead240 14:13, 25 October 2008 (BST)

crit 6

Please don't recreate pages that were deleted -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:39 26 October 2008 (BST)

Why not? I went through the correct channel and was denied without reason. Please rule on the DDR case in A/U taking the fact that it was deleting without following policy into account and fully explaining and justifying why you ruled the way you did and i won't have to.--xoxo 08:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I gave you a reason on misconduct. Refusing to accept it doesn't make it go away -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:42 26 October 2008 (BST)

You explained why the crit 3 was invalid, what you didn't explain was why this gives Karek the right to delete the page without following the appropriate protocol. Avoiding the question is not reasoning. I would be more than happy for an actual explanation but someone, i don't think there is one. --xoxo 08:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

The vote was being rigged by the, bad faith, inclusion of the link into a sig after it was put up for speedydeletion, invalidating the votes, meaning crit 9 speedydeletion. Sysops are given the right to ignore the rules "should the exact wording of the policies run contrary to a system operators' best good-faith judgment"... this is obviously one of those cases where a number of sysops agree that the system was being rorted by incompetent wiki-lawyers. Time to build a bridge, J3D... -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:53 26 October 2008 (BST)

Errr...one of those keep votes was mine, and i assure you, DDR's adding of the link to his sig did not go over my head and in no way affected my judgment on the validity of the page. But you are aware of that, surely. All you are saying is that if you disagree with a keep vote you can ignore it and speedy delete, these pages belong to the community hence A/D is essential in allowing everyone, not just a few sysops, to have their say. --xoxo 09:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Misconduct

You're going to want to replace that case and wait for a sysop to archive it if you don't want to be VB'd. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I created the case and thus i can withdraw it, if a sysop wants to restore and archive it i have no problem with that. Thanks for looking out for me though pal, 'preciate it.--xoxo 05:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

You can indeed withdraw it; you cannot however delete it. I will take you to A/VB if I must. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, there's a difference between withdraw and delete? If you mean you want it archived then feel free to get it off the page history and archive it, i won't stop you. --xoxo 05:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

There is indeed; if you wish to withdraw a case you simply make a post stating your wishes to that effect and a sysop will move it to the archive. Deleting a case is vandalism. I do note with interest however that you only chose to withdraw the case after it became apparent that it was going to be ruled Not Misconduct. It's obviously within the bounds of the rules, but it doesn't speak highly at all of you. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, if your next edit is not to restore the case and leave a note asking for it to be archived I will be making a report on A/VB. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Being pro-active and passionate about his beliefs is better than constantly trolling and making a cock of yourself, whether you abide by the rules or not.--CyberRead240 05:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Your insistence on coming into conversations that do not involve you and accusing others of trolling is noted. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

My integrity in this community is not really something that I gauge through the opinions of individuals such as yourself.--CyberRead240 07:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Take it to the AOOSTRALIAN BATTELFIELD you two--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 07:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC).

Werz dat?--CyberRead240 07:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Racism? On my wiki?!--Nallan (Talk) 07:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

If that were really true you'd stop responding to me. Unless you wish to admit to the very "crime" you accuse me of? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see you already did so. Well, I always said there's nothing like a good dose of hypocrisy to cure a bout of syphilis. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 09:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I can respond to you as many times as I like without being a hypocrite. What you fail to comprehend, is that I do not care what you think of me. I reply to you because, frankly, I enjoy the banter. The picture is merely a depiction of two fictitious characters I conjured up when bored with friends. I don't see the link between a paint drawing and an STI btw, I don't know what you are trying to say, but whatever it is, you are failing at it.--CyberRead240 09:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Lulz, best drama in a while this is... --/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 01:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

K, thanks for the heads up, i checked the page for some sort of policy and in the absence of one (and being aware you can withdraw a case) i figured i'd just remove it, it's in the histories so it's not like "zomgz he's changing history". I don't have to or feel remotely inclined to justify or explain why i wanted to withdraw the case to you, however i will restore it since apparently that's the way these things are done. Mind updating the a/m page so that this is clear to all users? --xoxo 05:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

You've been around more than long enough to know the way things are "apparently" done. I'm glad you came to see the error of your ways, but you need to understand that for a user of your longevity ignorance is not a valid excuse. Never has been, and hopefully never will. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Error of my ways??? Hardly. I wanted that case withdrawn, i wasn't aware of the correct process. Instead of waving a/vb in my face you could have just archived the page (didn't need a sysop as my desire to have it withdrawn was abundantly clear) and put a note on my talk page. Either way i guess you did let me know (regardless of your motives for doing so) so thanks for that. --xoxo 05:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

If you'll just take a look at the archive pages in question you'll notice that they're protected. So no, I couldn't have "just archived the page". Only sysops can, which is why the current system is in place. As for you not being aware of how it works: my previous point about that not being an excuse aside, surely common sense would steer you away from simply deleting everything? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I made the case, it didn't go anywhere, i would say archive if someone wants to, but i don't really see the need to keep it. Also it's on all the sysops watch lists so if they wanted it archived they would have noticed and done it. Crisis averted! --xoxo 06:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I moved it to the archive.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 05:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

fug, just restored, lemme reremove.--xoxo 05:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

A special offer

Hi J3d, I' am impress at your work and you are quallified to be a member of the Special Zombie Extermination Squad. Do you like to join? Yes or No? If you have an anwser or have a question, please write back to my talk page. Check the website, it is intresting.

-- Soldier 00:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks.--xoxo 01:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Go on J3D, you get all sorts of groovy things when you join, badly spelt titles, and incompetent leader and a place of the Philosophe Knights kill list. You know you want to join. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i saw you on the enemies list, was tempting...but i've already got 6 alts and with the australian dollar the way it is i can't afford to buy ip freedom. Maybe next time :P --xoxo 10:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah apparently you can't afford to pay for you ud shirt either. PAY UP!--Nallan (Talk) 11:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Didn't you allude to the fact that you shit on it or something? No money til i get the goods, clean goods. And unless you're complimenting me or involved in a troll war GTFO off my talk page.--xoxo 11:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

*cough*--CyberRead240 11:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

lulz. but that counts as the troll war criterion. --xoxo 11:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Lol

@ bob.

also, *cough*--CyberRead240 07:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Ruling

Thanks, J3D. That's exactly the outcome I was hoping for. :) Aside from that, how's you? Haven't talked to you for a while on IRC. (Like I said, my compy was out of commission. :P)

-S Aline 02:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It has already begun:

Our esteemed arbitrator said: "Thus there will be a new section on the page headed Groups or Mansion Groups or whatever under which people can post their groups name and a short (one line max) blurb about whatever they want"

S Aline wrote: "Southall Mansion will always be considered an important place for The Upper Left Corner. It was one of the stops on The Keane Pilgrimage, since it is a ULC historical landmark."

Two sentences. Can I drag her ass to A/VB yet?

Also can I have the following clarified, do we really need a level three header for each group? With a minimum of five groups to go on it's going to get really crowded and ugly real quick. Can I suggest you making the ruling state "One line paragraph under the group heading, organised in alphabetical order"? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Holy fucking shit, are you seriously going to try and A/VB them over that? Almost-incomprehensible analness aside, it isn't even correct. "One line" means just that, one line. It says nothing about number of sentences. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a widescreen monitor and it still wraps round onto two lines, your point? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Only because of the template to the right. Put it in its own space and it fits quite neatly into a single line. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i said one line and while it does go over two lines that's because of what's to the right of it. If it gets messy i'll clean it up, it's not messy at the moment so the level 3 heading can stay. --xoxo 10:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Wiki stereotypes

I've been reading around and I recently found out you are nothing but a WikiJaguar. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

And it looks to me like Grim was a WikiGiant. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Have you now? Seen CB's guide to flamers? ;) --xoxo 04:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:

Why thank you my blood tastes great on pancakes as well.--Johnzie 05:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll be sure to try it sometime. Unfortunately it appears you have fled 4 blocks east and 6 blocks north, how sad. --xoxo 05:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Sysop Bid

It actually dissapoints me that self professed wiki veterans cannot see the difference between a VB case ruled Not Vandalism, and one ruled Vandalism. Somehow it means the same thing to them. It is fucking stupid. Especially Boxy and Karek. Both of those recommendations are seemingly transparent, with no base. Yet somehow they feel they have the right to let it be known in some sort of public speel. I like what you did with Kareks vote too, nice one.--CyberRead240 04:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

It's more an issue of the personal drama that led to those, not the cases' verdicts read.--Karek^maps?! 18:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Then say so in your "votes".--CyberRead240 00:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

You may want to

Have a look at this edit. Seemingly, you were removed for incorrect formatting by Iscariot. But I can't see where your formatting is wrong in any way. Lets see what petty excuse he gives for this one.--CyberRead240 00:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

No templates in recruitment adds -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:36 8 November 2008 (BST)

Actually, 'no subheadings', it fucks up the table of contents. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, look at that, broke the rules twice, and sexy couldn't even find one -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:47 8 November 2008 (BST)

Excuses, excuses, we all know that ad was removed because 2C fan club is far too awesane for this wiki.--xoxo 12:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Your right Boxy, I couldn't find them. Thats why I told Jed that he might want to have a look, instead of just reverting.. Because he understands this place better than I do. Oh wow, look, you made another elitist comment over a basic user because they, well, just aren't as good as you, mr.cratsysop.--CyberRead240 12:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

He's right though, you are sexy ;) --xoxo 13:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Man what CANT boxy get right! Hes on fiyah!--CyberRead240 13:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Matt Aries

For someone running for sysop I expect at least the most basic of checks to be done before taking someone to A/VB. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I did the basic checks. Page history and edit summaries and then i a/vb-ed him and spoke to him on his talk page. I could have researched however as i mentioned i thought it likely he'd recently left the group (or vandal in the account or whatever), i wasn't in the position to judge, so i didn't. I reported vandalism and contacted the user on the talk page, exactly what one is supposed to do.--xoxo 04:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

He's the leader of the group, if he chooses to leave he's allowed to kill it, if he hasn't left, he's still allowed to kill it. There can never be a vandalism case against a group leader for doing whatever the hell they like to their group pages excepting porn or malicious links/code. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No, he can't delete or blank the page. Crit 12 is gone and if others contribute to the page it is no longer just an author edit.--– Nubis ^NWO 04:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Go vote vandalism if you're so sure. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The LoD page didn't mention him as the leader, neither did his talk page. It stated him as one of two orginal founders, this made it sound, to an outsider, that there had been some potential fallout. Regardless of that a group page belongs to the group, not a single person. Since we cannot definitively say who created the page claiming owners privilege is tenuous at best.--xoxo 04:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

check a/vb rev, all may not be as it seems.... —xoxo 05:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Check AGF J3D, all may not be as it seems... ;) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

get your dissent off my talk page at once!--xoxo 23:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I am an idiot

Sorry.

That is all. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

haha no probs at all.--xoxo 05:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Who says Iscariot is a complete asshole?--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 23:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Drama ~

I'm never going to go Grim, so I don't think I will be very good for the drama levels... :/ We may need to find another bear to poke with a stick to make stuff happen around here. --– Nubis ^NWO 14:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Promote me to 'crat, and I swear it will be worth EVERYONE'S while. :D -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

can you stop interjecting conversations asking sysops/crats to promote you?? --xoxo 01:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not until you get promoted. Then I'll have lost my reason to. ;) -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

awwww *ruffles SA's hair* --xoxo 04:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

ohai!

Long time no talk. Where've you been, kid? -S Aline 07:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The Verdict

Right, after some discussion, Gnome and myself has decided to promote you to sysop. The only sticking point we hit was A/VB. Because of that, we think that you should avoid dealing with it for a while and not dive head-first into it. By all means deal with active vandal sprees and the like but try not to get too embroiled in it, okay?

Aside from that, welcome to the sysop team. They are some lovely new buttons above your page now. Protect protects and unprotects stuff. Delete deletes stuff and move moves stuff. If you need to undelete, go to the deleted page and view the deleted edits and then restore the ones you think appropriate. Banning is done by using a block link. You can find them in the toolbox on the left when you're on a user page and also on VB reports. Oh and in recent changes if needbe. You've got Rollback as well, that undos all edits by a certain user. Useful if a vandal's made several edits to the same page in a row. Be careful with it though. I wiped out half my user page revisions by trying to undo a mistake with it. =p

In any case, you get stuck give us a shout. Congratulations etc and be good! -- Cheese 22:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

PS: Sorry for epically fucking up your page. =/ My browser broke half way through and restored the page at the wrong point. -- Cheese 22:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

And now I say congratulations. Just remember, Big Brother is watching...Well, no, not really. Its just us. And we don't really do much anyway. The Sysops even less than the rest of us sometimes.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I like you and all but you have to know you're going to catch hell for those two idiots promoting you when the community was against it and you're going to deserve it unless you actually show judgment in stepping down until you can be promoted by the community and not by an 'crat with no experience that got the position because he was "safe" and a 'crat who didn't even know he could refuse your promotion. I'd congratulate you but there's nothing to congratulate except for skating around the system in the worst promotion decision to date, you're not ready and haven't shown any leanings towards being ready or needing to be promoted. I guess the one humorous bit is that the guy who promoted you was the single least prepared sysop we've ever had and has shown time and again why that's a bad thing with his constant screw ups, sadly a promotion that should have been legitimate one day in the future has been stained and added to that bunch.--Karek^maps?! 00:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Karek. You've once again shown you have no idea who the community of this wiki is. The community elected gnome and cheese crats because they like them and presumably like the decisions they make. Now you want me to step down because community elected officials promoted me?? Also while i am fully aware a/pm isn't a vote, it must be said i had more vouchs then abstains and againsts combined, once again suggesting i do in fact have community support. --xoxo 00:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I want you to step down because that would show good judgment. The great joke about that would be that if you stepped down you would actually end up with the support of pretty much all the people who were against you this time around. More than that the Sysops who for the most part did not think you were ready and were ignored. And more than that no name users and your buddies do not count as community support no matter how much you wish it so, they aren't part of the community and have no idea who you are beyond that you're not a major hassle to them. Don't step down, by all means blunder about just to prove me wrong and glory in this non-existant community support you have. Obviously you've earned the promotion because you were promoted by crats and pals.--Karek^maps?! 00:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Buddy, most of the community was for J3D, as opposed to your minority Sysop's opinions. So don't give J3D the lecture on the community. You are becoming more and more separated from it day by day, by the looks of it.

And congrats J3D! I know you and I know you will do your best. Good luck bud. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

"omg clique gtfo ur opinion isnt valued".--Nallan (Talk) 03:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

"OMG CIRCLEJERK WE LUV BUTTSECKS LOL CLIQUE LOL"...hey Karek. Jed is your equal now.--CyberRead240 03:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, fuck off Karek. I am part of the community. I like Jed. I don't like you. It was that way for a lot of people. Take your obviously hurt butt somewhere else plz. You are not allowed to say that people who are friends with Jed and "no-name users" are not part of the community. The community does NOT just consist of editors. It has a lot of viewers too. You know, the ones who use this wiki as a guide? The ones we need the Sysops for? Yeah, those no-name users. Obviously you don't understand that.--CyberRead240 03:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing that "best behaviour" time is off for the kiddies, now that the promotion is finished -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 04:44 19 November 2008 (BST)

Shut the fuck up you elitist prick.--CyberRead240 05:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

QED -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 05:25 19 November 2008 (BST)

....*facepalm*--CyberRead240 05:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure I can, you make your additions irrelevant when you don't add it for any reason beyond that you support him in everything. You've made it clear that you're not a neutral party regarding him long ago.--Karek^maps?! 05:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I oppose Jed frequently. On major issues, however, we 99% of the time agree. We are similar people with similar interests. 99% of the time I disagree with boxy, same with Grim. It's just the way life works. It's like supporting a political party, I just like what he stands for, it suits me and all that jazz.--CyberRead240 05:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It's more than that, you both jump to each others defense the moment one of you gets in trouble or criticized for something, although you're not as bad with it as Nallan. That's part of the major argument against his promotion, how he acts when the people who are viewed largely as his friends get brought to A/VB, as shown by those recent cases everyone kept going on about.--Karek^maps?! 06:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It works both ways - you and boxy seem to always jump on the chance to oppose Jed, so I guess you're not quite neutral parties either. Whaddaya know? Everyone's biased! Now that we've discovered an important new fact let's all get on with our lives! :)--Nallan (Talk) 06:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I gotta say... Nallan's right, you guys are backing up each other blindly all the time. I find it poor taste in character when someone is always critising us when we stand behind someone who represents us in a world of people like you, Karek and Boxy. Can you blame us? D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

FUCKING LOL. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. LULZ--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 00:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Look at that! I find it interesting that you have decided not to actually do anything on the wiki except add odd 2 word sentences to conversations to fuel your need to have people read your discust with the Wiki. Why stay, cyberfag? Can I pls have pic comment? D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 09:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

And Rakoon, you fail at even being a mindless minion. omg clique emerging roflol D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 09:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

ZOMG 2 person circlejerk LmAo! inb4 nom nom, nom = fail--CyberRead240 09:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Despite all This hubbub

Congratulations dude. I know what this means to you and I know you'll make everyone who supported you proud. Might even turn a few heads while doing it. BTW your in Newcastle tomorrow night? We're getting drunk plz--CyberRead240 06:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations J3D! I'm really happy that you got promoted, despite all the crap that is going down with all the other sysops. Just watch your back out there, I would rather not see you get demoted because someone doesn't like you or holds a grudge against you. But, beside the point, congratulations again! -- Ωmega360 ^T 13:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Congrats... now don't fuck things up by being biased in favour of the 2 numb nuts idiots or this "no name" user will stop being your "Buddy" and hunt you down ;)--Honestmistake 14:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on being promoted... I'm neutral towards you since I haven't been here long enough to form an opinion about you, but I just wanted to stop by and say good luck as a sysop. --Pestolence^(talk) 01:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I also give my congratulations to you, Jed. Although I'm also neutral (like Pestolence,) I wish you the best of luck. Linkthewindow  Talk  00:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks all :) --xoxo 00:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Demotions of sysops

If you are serious about working on a policy for this might I suggest you glance over my manifesto, err, thoughts :) put up here. Particularly the idea of reviewing their contributions instead of just a blanket vote. I dislike the idea of a general vote, but you can't deny the usefulness of actually looking at what sysop work/wiki work they do. You might also want to reorganize your talk page into a sysop section and a general section so people know where to post things so you can follow up on them.

You do realize that coming in as a new sysop and throwing out a demotion policy right away might come across as trying to kick out existing Ops (coups only happen when you reach Crat level, by the way, you overachiever! ) Feel free to adapt/steal anything on there you like, too.--– Nubis ^NWO 15:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

heh, yeah i knew my plans to look down this path wouldn't reflect too well. If i didn't get op it would have looked even worse (bitter). I'll catch up on all this reading i've been supplied with over the next week. I like my talk page the way it is! It shall not be changed. I might get my hands on one of those 'this user is a sysop' templates though.--xoxo 23:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Please do pay attention to the page Nubis links... he makes a lot of sense and does know his stuff! I think we do need a method to demote sysops but am very wary of a popularity vote, i may have a rep as being "anti sysop" but its mostly imaginary and i actually think they do a good job (even if they are a bit too reactionary!), the last thing we need is a system to get rid of them that is based purely on popularity and has no bearing on what they actually do. Personally i would like to change the definition of a sysop and the list of abilities that come with that title but i can't see that happening!--Honestmistake 00:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh thanks. What changes did you have in mind, Honest? Any shift in the responsibilities one way or the other would have a bit of a negative reaction. Too much more work and the problem is no one is "paid" to do this and adding more responsibilities means more areas unhappy users can "attack" you in and taking away responsibilities means less of a reason to get promoted. There would be little incentive to do extra to earn the promotion if everything you can do is done by regular users. And if you are only getting promoted to mess with A/VB then those aren't the types of sysops we should allow in power.

I would like to see more specialization and "ownership" of certain areas. While all sysops can do all tasks if you have a sense of "ownership" of an area you are more inclined to keep an eye on it and work to improve it. (as you well know with ALiM) I feel that way toward images and templates since I put in several hours on them both. As long as the sysop isn't anal about every little thing and overly possessive I see this idea as a good thing. Just my 55 cents worth.--– Nubis ^NWO 13:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually the concept of specialization is one i think would work extremely well. For example i would strongly back giving you additional powers/scope for dealing with images and template because i think you do know a lot more about them than most others. Similarly i don't think authority over A/VB should be an automatic feature of sysophood as that requires a different sort of trust in judgement to pretty much anywhere else. --Honestmistake 14:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Nice.

Funny thing, I only did it because I had Santlerville and SantLUEville open in two tabs next to one another, and I thought it would make a good contrast. (It does.) --Insomniac By Choice 12:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

It certainly does. Just goes to show...what it shows i'm not exactly sure of, but you get the gist. Keep up the good work. --xoxo 12:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)