Developing Suggestions

Developing Suggestions

This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which have not yet been submitted and are still being worked on.

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• Be sure to check The Frequently Suggested List and the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots before you post your idea. You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a dupe: a duplicate of an existing suggestion. These include Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles.
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How To Make a Suggestion

Adding a New Suggestion

• Copy the code in the box below.
• Click here to begin editing. This is the same as clicking the [edit] link to the right of the Suggestions header.

• Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
• Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.

{{subst:DevelopingSuggestion
|time=~~~~
|name=SUGGESTION NAME
|type=TYPE HERE
|scope=SCOPE HERE
|description=DESCRIPTION HERE
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• Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
• Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change, etc. Basically: What is it? and Is it new, or a change?
• Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
• Description should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.

Cycling Suggestions

• Suggestions with no new discussion in the past two days should be given a warning notice. This can be done by adding {{SDW|date}} at the top of the discussion section, where date is the day the suggestion will be removed.
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Suggestions

ganster 2.0

Timestamp: Richerd joshepson 01:49, 1 April 2010 (BST)user richerd joshepson 18:30, 31 March 2010

Type: new class

Scope: new players

Description: I tihk improve my last suggestion, my first laguage is spanish, asi que no se fijen en la escritura sino en la idea, maybe the class is overpowered, then, the new suggestion, shotgun, 2 shells and the shotgun training skill, the knife, pay 75 exp for militar skills, 75 exp for civlians skills. and 200 exp points for science skills, looks more balanced, or not? the convict class and punk class are not criminals,but the ganster class is a criminal class, this game is based in the imagination, anyone needs tell his part of the history, even the criminals.

Discussion (ganster 2.0)

Step 1: Make a survivor

Step 2: Edit his description

Step 3: ?

Step 4: Profit! Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:25, 1 April 2010 (BST)

How is a convict NOT a criminal? Even if you only consider "organized crime" as "real" criminals? Maybe I'm nitpicking. But there is NO logical reason to alter the experience points costs. What makes this class so special that the cost of skills wouldn't be the same as the other classes?--Pesatyel 05:15, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Why wouldn't you just be a cop? You start inside a police station and could get a shotgun very easily. Plus in the long run, the xp costs are much lower to level. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:31, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Alright. You know those nifty things called skill categories? And the three types of classes? Those are what you're going to have to base it off of. Your earlier logic stated that they know how to shoot, so they are good with guns, and they can act like civilians, so they get 75 xp for civilian skills. Logic flaw: You know who else is good at being a civilian? Civilians! They don't pay 75 xp for civilian skills. Just make it a civilian class that starts with a shotgun, at least. Then we can talk. --Enigma^talk 15:52, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Flavour-wise, Malton is quite English (also the game is from England). Traditional 'mafia' representations of gangsters don't really hold sway there. Look at films like Eastern Promises, The Krays, Get Carter or The Long Good Friday. To better represent the English 'gangster' you'd be looking at a cross between the Scout and Consumer classes, probably. Starts with a knife and a mobile phone, and the free running skill. Pays 100 XP for any skill, like civilians. Even that, that's going to be pretty damn strong, but at least a lot more flavoursome. 15:59, 1 April 2010 (BST)

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Deface (skill)

Timestamp: 14:57, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Type: New zombie skill

Scope: Zombies/Ruins

Description: Took a search, couldn't find anything matching this, but I'm still sure it's probably a dupe. But, I've been thinking about decay. It's a zombie's friend. It's also the friend of everyone who isn't pro-survivor, in various ways. But it's a very passive mechanic. This suggestion is a for a new zombie skill, a sub-skill of Ransack, named 'Deface' This skill will allow zombies to further tick up the decay count as follows - every 24 hours, when the decay count adds 1 AP to the repair cost of a ruin, it also resets an unseen 'deface flag'. If this flag is present, the building functions as a current ruin does. If it is absent, the building can be further ransacked - again, four 'ransacks' but with a 'deface' option replacing ruin, with everything involved functioning exactly as ruin does now, including the 1 XP granted for the initial ransack. Successfully defacing a building will add a further 1 AP to the building's repair cost and trip the 'deface flag', meaning the building cannot be further defaced until the decay tick occurs again. Essentially, the buidling can be decayed twice as fast, only it will require an active zombie presence and will involve more AP spent than it would cost to repair the building. However, this is still a bonus for those who can hold a ruin for a few days, further enhancing their grasp on territory. The flavour text of this will reflect the zombie causing the building to seem more charnel and well-trodden, as opposed to actually destroying things. The overall flavour is that of the 'smarter' zombies (ie, those with Memories and Ransack) coming to realise that property and shelter are important to the harmanz, and instinctively seeking to deny them access to these. Possible flavour text for the actions involved could include: You smear gore and filth across the walls, further defacing the building. You daub blood in familiar patterns across the floor, further defacing the building. You gouge and tear at what little fixtures remain, further defacing the building. Thoughts?

Discussion (Deface (skill))

There's something similar in the archives in regards to increasing repair costs from before the decay update.

The whole notion is pointless. You put AP in for a year, the repair cost is over 9000, it still doesn't cost me any more to reset that clock with a suicide repair. Anything over 50Ap to repair is pretty much pointless to the zombie side. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:47, 31 March 2010 (BST)

A 9K AP expenditure though would put that character out of action for more than half a year, how many players are willing to bite that bullet? -Devorac 18:44, 31 March 2010 (BST)

For the glory of leading the big ruin repair board forever? You'll find some. Also there's nothing to stop people asking friends who like to go for glory to create a character and join their group for that one event. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:52, 31 March 2010 (BST)

After a year it would only be 730, not 9000. 18:53, 31 March 2010 (BST)

The point is that over a number that allows them to cade or run back to cover, the total is pointless as the survivor accepts death to reset the clock and make it easy to retake the building. A better skill would be one that forces the survivors to do it in 50AP blocks, making them die lots of time knock the total down. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:57, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Numbers that high are liable to lead to characters being abandoned to this purpose, though - 700 AP is a full two weeks of being unable to do anything, and that'd only be for one building. 19:09, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Just so you know, my Knight is currently in the SW looking for anything over 130 to repair, if you can make me a 700 AP one I'll be your bestest friend ever. Two weeks of downtime is over in two weeks, glory is forever. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:12, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Suicide Repairs are rubbish at the minute. The 404 remnants spent ages looking through the ghost towns, but their all safe, stupid wiki. North Blythville Wasn't Bad, but its just darks at the minute. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:12, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Yeah, I know. It sucks. Perhaps we should set up a reporting facility where trenchie and other survivor groups that don't like being down for a week can tell us about the juicy high repair values. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:22, 1 April 2010 (BST)

I've been toying with the idea for a while, some kind of central page for idiots. I can name at least 6 suburbs with no organised survivors, which stay ruined long after the mob passes through. I did go through a period of like a month with 404 where we tried to get several survivor groups to alter their "Area of Operations" So they meshed and overlapped. Likewise suggesting new survivor groups tried to set up in areas of high trp/medium zombie numbers. You can imagine how that went. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:52, 1 April 2010 (BST)

I like it. It's a zombie counterpart to barricades that doesn't upset AP balance for survivors. My zombie character would love the chance to have a whole new level of destruction to unleash on buildings now that he's maxed out; my survivor character enjoys having more challenge and prestige from the lowly repair-work he does. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:10, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Survivors should only be able to repair in blocks of upto 50AP, anything more to fix should only be "tidied" up (reduce the decay status) If that gets implemented then this would be a fine addition.... as is its pretty much a pointless zombie AP sink! --Honestmistake 23:11, 31 March 2010 (BST)

You might want to include a limit of some kind.--Pesatyel 05:16, 1 April 2010 (BST)

*raises hand to volunteer for a 9000ap repair* --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:33, 1 April 2010 (BST)

See? I told you there'd be volunteers. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:58, 1 April 2010 (BST)

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Binocular/Ruin nerf

Timestamp: --         12:46, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Type: Balance?

Scope: Survivors

Description: Binoculars are always a helpful thing (for me anyway, I've always been a bit of a fail loner in UD). Of course, something this simple must have been suggested before, but I'm thinking that towers/buildings/hotels/motels that have been ruined should be unusable as binocular surveillance posts during the period in which they are ruined. At the point where they are repaired, they can be usable again with binoculars. Trying to use binoculars in said ruined building type would just display a message explaining that the tool doesn't work in ruined buildings. A couple of issues- Flavour? I don't care much for flavour, so perhaps in your critique of the suggestion you could help think some up, else I won't listen to you cries of flavour illegitimacy- I've always cared more about gameplay ramifications than that of the overzealous logic nazi. Should using binoculars in ruined building cost 1AP? Personally, no, but if users (in the masses) deem that it should, like other similar "fail" actions, then why not. Should this be for HB+ buildings too? I'd like it- I luuurve small survivor nerfs, but tevs. Let's keep it small. Probably a dupe. I searched "binoculars" through the Suggestions Namespace, but even so, could have been done before. If so, say so please.

Discussion (Binocular/Ruin nerf)

It's a reasonable idea, mechanic-wise, but who really uses binoculars in ruins? Saying that, if you can't freerun up a ruin, I don't see why you should be able to climb up to use binoculars, and I like the idea of not being able to use them in HB+, if only because I'm biased and look at overcading as borderline n00b griefing. Doesn't really make the game any more fun, otherwise. --OnlyKillingZombiesIsRacist 14:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)

When looking for an observation point, whether the building is ruined or not is a null consideration since both harbour the same binocular mechanics. An example. You might need to look from a building closer to, say, the Blackmore Building to be able to have a look at its status (without wasting the +6ap getting there and back via walking), but the only buildings in range of binocular vision are ruined. Currently, you can just run in, look at the Blackmore Building from the ruined tower, and then run back, in terms of scouting it saves AP to do it this way, under my mechanic they wouldn't be able to use those ruined buildings. It adds a very small tactical advantage to ruins for Zombies. Not enough for them to target a building over something else, but you know. --

 

 

 

 

03:13, 1 April 2010 (BST)

<Cyrus>I can dig it.</Cyrus> 14:18, 31 March 2010 (BST)

wtf not? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:11, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Logical.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:13, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Perhaps not an all out NO! make it 50% chance to fall and take damage and i would like it a whole lot more. --Honestmistake 23:14, 31 March 2010 (BST)

You may not care fo flavor, but it IS still a factor. What is it about a ruin that is stopping you from using binoculars? Ruin affects your ability to free run into a building (instability), barricade (lack of useable barricade pieces), change clothes (clothes too damaged I presume) and search (too much debris). So your presuming that there is what, too much debris to stand or kneel without moving to hold the binoculars steady? Perhaps. But similar to what Honestmistake said, make a chance of failure ("you can't find stable enough footing for viewing") or a chance of falling.--Pesatyel 05:06, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Suggestions with a chance to punish you are rarely well received, especially so if the initial action is supposed to be a failure in the first place. When freerunning into a ruined building, the payoff to the pain is the fact you didn't have to spend 2 ap to reach the same location (ie. leave your building THEN move to desired square). In fact, it's a chance I take 90% of the time. However, with this mechanic, it isn't fair or feasible to add a chance for damage onto the suggestion in its current state. Having "You can't use binoculars in Ruined Buildings" changed to "You can't use binoculars in ruined buildings. By, the way, you just took 5HP damage too! Ha Ha!" is a real fuck-you to the player, I don't want to do that. Besides, adding a chance-self-damage mechanism requires me to work out balancing mathematics, or at leased give them thought, and I don't like doing that. I'm just intent on keeping it small for now. --

 

 

 

 

09:13, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Consider the fact that it presents a new method of suicide for zombies, thats a bonus... sort of :) --Honestmistake 16:31, 1 April 2010 (BST)

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New class: Ganster

Timestamp: User:Richerd joshepson/Sig 06:34, 30 March 2010 (BST)

Type: New class

Scope:New players and old players who needs more variarity

Description:In this incredible game, you can decide be a survivor or a zombie, if you choose be a survivor, you can be a militar, a scientist or a civil, the civils are Doctors, Police officers, Firefighters and Consumers, everyone fighting for they own life, but, how do the criminals to survive the outbreak, or theres no crime in the city of malton? As a ganster, you starts with shotgun training skill, a shotgun an spare ammo(4 or 6 shells) and a knife or a melee weapon and the hand to hand combat skill(a real ganster should be better equiped) and you pay 75 exp points for civilians skill and military skills(the gansters knows who attack like soldiers and act like normal people) and 150 exp points for scientist skills, obviously, they are not the smarter guys of the town, and the startup message could be You are in a job, there is a dead body near you,the job is not very nice, but it gives some money, then, there are a lot of activity, shots, screams, cops and soldiers everywhere, you think, maybe a gang war, but,the body in the room rises, he tries to attack you, you run out of the building, and you dicover a ten thousands worser scene, zombies, with blood in their mouths and your patners are dead in a crash car, you take a weapon from the car, you leave the block, running for the city, at least, you find a safe place,then you think, if the hell exists, it moves to malton. or a shorter version of that. Notes If someday includes machine-guns in the game, this class can starts with that weapon. the shotgun training skill can be swapped for tha basic firearm training skill.

Discussion (New Class: Gangster)

Emm... use the proper format first off, and gangsters are way overpowered, if they start with 4 shells, a shotgun, 2 skills, and only pay 75 xp for all but 7 of the skills in this game. --Enigma^talk 04:51, 31 March 2010 (BST)

I fixed it.-Pesatyel 05:39, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Actually you got the discussion header wrong, but it's all good now. -Devorac 06:56, 31 March 2010 (BST)

D'oh!--Pesatyel 04:56, 1 April 2010 (BST)

We already have Convict in Peer Review. Similarly, we have Punk. The problem with "new" classes is that they aren't really necessary since, by level 6ish, every class is essentially the same. Everyone takes Body Building, Construction, Diagnosis, Free Running and NecroTech Employment. Healers will take Lab Experience and combat types will take Hand to Hand (or another gun skill). Everything else is "personal preference" and, yes, I know so is the list above, but those skills are the ones everyone takes pretty quick. As for the suggestion itself, as pointed out, it is overpowered. NO class starts with 2 skills, so why should this one? Secondly, which "category" would this be in? THAT would dicatate the cost of the skill purchases.--Pesatyel 05:39, 31 March 2010 (BST)

First question, is your first language English? Next question, how do you justify a class that will out level every other current class (No class yet has two 25% cost deductions to their skill tracks), comes out hotter (two start skills), and starts out with a decent weapon on top of that (Giving gun skills and hand to hand to a newly created character is a zerger's dream). Obey the Midnight's rules. -Devorac 06:56, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Luckily for you this has already been taken apart by nice people. There is one starting class that needs two starting skills, but good luck getting that through Peer Reviewed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:43, 31 March 2010 (BST)

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Suicide

Timestamp: Jack Kolt Talk|Chars 06:26, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Type: New twist for anyone who is suicidal.

Scope: survivors, CR'd zombies

Description: Malton is a dangerous place. people are scared to death about getting eaten. so what do you do? well, if you've seen any zombie movie worth it's salt, you know there's always the person who goes and kills themself. now, there is the old standby of jumping of a building, but what if you have something that can do the job for you? this is where suicide comes in. basically, kill yourself with stuff on hand. Now, only a few items would make the cut. and they are: knife pistol shotgun When you click on an these items (when they are in your inventory) you get this message: this item has little effect besides combat (or some such) . would you like to use it on yourself? this will kill you yes/no clicking on yes will give you this text (if you use a gun, and will use one bullet/shell) placing the barrel of the gun to your mouth, you exhale sharply, then pull the trigger. there is a loud gunshot, and you collapse to the ground, dead. clicking on yes will give you this text (if you use knife) placing the cold blade of the knife to your throat, you clench your teeth and cut your neck open. blood drips over your chest, and you collapse to the ground, dead. --notes-- you do not take headshot for this regardless if you are a zombie hunter. anyone in the vicinity would see "Soandso killed themselves with a (insert weapon here)" any other weapons are far to unwieldy to warrant enough damage to kill yourself. your clothes get bloodied as usual.

Discussion (Suicide)

• Been suggested a buncha times before, but I'll let Izzy toss the list up, since he's got everything on tab. Main reason it's never been implemented was balance/abuse. Makes parachuting way too easy. A bunch of death cultists could hop into a mall and kill themselves with 48 or so AP left to kill and pinata the place. Etc RinKou 06:39, 29 March 2010 (BST)

RE Looking back on this, I'm sure didn't think this one through enough, as the amount of abuse this would get would be catastrophic. Well, good thing this isn't the real suggestions page. --Jack Kolt ^Talk|Chars 02:51, 30 March 2010 (BST)

Might as well just cut out the middleman and give zombies free-running... Hmmm :) --Honestmistake 08:55, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Suggestion:20071210 Suicide By Firearm is a good example of a dupe. And please explain how you can put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, without causing a headshot. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)

You know better than to use logic on a member of the DEM. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:33, 29 March 2010 (BST)

RE oh god, not these stereotypes again. but yes, It makes more sense to have a headshot. --Jack Kolt ^Talk|Chars 02:51, 30 March 2010 (BST)

Ross stole one of the better dupes from my files. The main reason that this is always shot down is due to barricade negation concerns, barricades are the core mechanic of this game, removing their effect in such a blatant and clumsy way is just stupid. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:33, 29 March 2010 (BST)

I, for one, support the idea of a 100+ zombie paratroopers freerunning over the barricades and becoming a lethal swarm of insta-death with the simple application of a knife. It just makes so much sense in terms of a zombie apocalypse, it's glorious. --OnlyKillingZombiesIsRacist 14:03, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Just a thought but, if only those survivors with infections could suicide (ie give up all hope and end the suffering asap) then it would at least be thematically pleasing. Of course there should still be a mechanism to make it a poor parachute... perhaps a 50% chance of a headshot and a 50% chance of setting current AP to -1. --Honestmistake 23:18, 31 March 2010 (BST)

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