Suggestion:20080826 Dead Reckoning

20080826 Dead Reckoning

 Swiers 08:03, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Suggestion type
Skill

Suggestion scope
Zombies

Suggestion description

mechanics

Child Skill of Scent Death, costs 100 experience points

Zombies with this skill would get a new action button, called "Dead Reckoning" (or perhaps something less puntastic). Clicking this button would call up a list of contacts, costing 0 AP and 1 IP hit. This in itself does nothing, but they could then select one contact and spend 1 AP to attempt to "sniff out" that contacts location using scent death. The attempt would succeed only under the following conditions:

1. The contact is a "mutual contact" and so the user is familiar with their scent
2. The contact does not have the user set to "ignore" (this is to prevent people from using this ability on "mutual contacts" who only list them so they can ignore them)
3. The contact is a zombie or a corpse (including reviving bodies- they are corpses) and thus can be detected with Scent Death.
4. The contact is within 5 blocks (the range of Scent Death)

If these 4 conditions are met, the use is told the contacts relative location and condition, as in You detect the decomposing odor of Contact Name`s (corpse|zombie carcass) 4 blocks East and 3 Blocks North. If the conditions are not met, you simply get a message saying there was no such odor.

intent

To make it easier for zombies to locate contacts (especially a horde leader) and hence their horde, without as much metagaming.

Voting Section

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Keep Votes

1. Author's vote  Swiers 09:44, 26 August 2008 (BST)
2. It's neither unreasonable, spamtastic, game-breaking, retarded, badly flavoured, nor does it contain centaurs, so I say keep. --Anotherpongo 11:01, 26 August 2008 (BST)
3. Keep No nukes for zombies! That's why it earns my stamp of approval. --• LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago) 12:12, 26 August 2008 (BST)
4. Keep Nice suggestion, not spamtastic, or a nuke for zombies. Linkthewindow 12:46, 26 August 2008 (BST)
5. Keep, helps hordes. - User:Whitehouse 12:47, 26 August 2008 (BST)
6. It might prove useful for PKers out for revenge. They get bounty-killed and want revenge. So they just sniff 'em out, get a revive, and scout the area within 50 blocks of that location to find the bounty hunter. Of course, the chances of finding the bounty hunter is very slim if they moved... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 14:10, 26 August 2008 (BST)

   Bounty hunters rarely contact list their targets, and even so, it would only work if the bounty hunter was already dead. Not much revenge you can exact on a zombie as a zombie, or as a survivor for that matter.  Swiers 19:43, 26 August 2008 (BST)

7. Keep Even though it contains no centaurs.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:49, 26 August 2008 (BST)
8. Keep - Good stuff. --Papa Moloch 15:49, 26 August 2008 (BST)
9. Keep - Looks good, if minor. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 16:49, 26 August 2008 (BST)
10. Keep - As Anotherpongo. --Kaisuke 17:39, 26 August 2008 (BST)
11. Keep - if zombies want to sniff butts, fine by me!--Squid Boy 19:44, 26 August 2008 (BST)
12. Keep - As Anotherpongo. --Igpeno 19:49, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - it's the wrong flavour for me, because why is a zombie sniffing out their best buddy? Also, this could be used (in a complicated fashion) to track a victim, even after death - and that's not really fair. --Funt Solo ^QT 16:03, 26 August 2008 (BST)

   Why sniff out your best buddy? Because he's the one who nows where food is! It can't be used to sniff out anybody who s not a mutual contact, and who has not "ignored" you, so unwanted tracking is very unlikely and entirely preventable.  Swiers 19:40, 26 August 2008 (BST)

   Mutual contacts are not by definition friendly, or if unfriendly, ignored. In fact, it makes sense to both list your worst enemy and also not ignore them. You have a point about the pack instinct, though. I think this should be weakened somewhat, so that dead body detection is not possible. Your inactive best buddy wouldn't be any use to you! --Funt Solo ^QT 19:47, 26 August 2008 (BST)

2. Kill - Zombies are not bloodhounds. Noses decay just like all flesh - if the living human body can't be used to sniff out friends, one where most things are in a state of decay definitely should not. --Pgunn 16:22, 26 August 2008 (BST)

   Zombies clearly already have much better olfactory capacity in game than survivors do, especially as regards corpses and other zombies. In fact, this ability already quite nearly exists; if you and the "target" are the only members of a group in the area, you would get directions to their location, as part of the "nearest horde members" info. So really, this ability is not much of a stretch from current zombie sensory skills; its just a new application of existing abilities.  Swiers 19:40, 26 August 2008 (BST)

3. Kill As Pgunn--Airborne88^T|Z.Quiz|PSS 16:23, 26 August 2008 (BST)

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