User talk:Rosslessness/Hmm

For all your Zerg Based Discussions

A+ work, would read and click on copious sexy thumbnails again. Though very unlikely, it's possible they're just very strong roleplayers and have a consistently weird style of writing they agreed on in a back room. The timing stuff is ridiculous, however, as is the fact that lots of the members have tons of posts on the forum. Chev being quick to jump on someone else for "zerging" is interesting to note, too. Thinks like a zerger, perhaps? Definitely worth a closer look. You intend to present this to them at all and see how they respond? --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 20:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I've PM'd all the members of the forum I haven't identified as possible zergers, group members and allies alike, presenting them with the evidence. I'll leave it for the group to make its own conclusions. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Have you thought about talking to the ZHU? -- 

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20:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

its linked on the resensitized lerg zist as we speak. I could always link it. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Sadface. There is a typo. I can't find it again, but you used "there" instead of "their" of "they're". And I will come up with a counter-point, if only to get a free cookie. -- Rahrah wants you all to know that MOM is open now. 21:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, you might want to point out that Dave Radcliffe, m dear and J Long all posted in the recruitment section within a minute of each other. -- Rahrah wants you all to know that MOM is open now. 21:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Meh. They don't fufil any of the other criteria. Different descriptions, no shared screenshots, different join dates and no shared log on times. Plus dave radcliffe was active in vinetown for the whole of the last year. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Now that's making a strong case. Unlike others (*cough*) I have seen in the past, this one actually has some good points. Nice job Ross, although the amount of work you did is outrageous for my own lazy standards D; --Thadeous Oakley 21:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I dono about zerging, but as you may remember, they did a damn good job of hunting me down earlier this year. :/ -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 21:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, I think they're bestest buds in real life, and they play in the middle of school.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 22:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's one hell of a case. I could have sworn I PKed Chev or one of the other members, but I can't find him on my list. I guess I'll just have to get back into PKing... --ZsL 22:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Not really proving anything. But I dug up some a message from Cheveyo off the old FOD fourm. --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 23:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I concur. There are too many damn red flags for this NOT to be true. (plus, the zerging is probably why they don't use RG- because it's probably a hugeass hassle when you're reporting for five alts. --Penguinpyro 23:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

This will be my first and last time answer these false allegations. I am not a zerger and I never have been. You will notice that my character has been around a long time. A lot longer than the rest of the people in the group. There is no reason for this at all. This is a game. But, you are trying to make this personal. It seems that you could do a lot more important things than this with your time. And by the way, I never accused you of zerging. Maybe someone else did that. But I can guarantee you that it was not me. It seems you are going after the wrong person here. --Cheveyo 11:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

You really should dispute at least something about what he said. He's presented a mountain of decently-compelling evidence, and you've presented a simple statement. For outsiders to this whole situation, such as myself, you can guess how this must look. If what he's saying is so patently false, challenge it. Dispute his claims. Tell us not just that he's wrong but why and how he's wrong. Personally speaking, if someone attacked my integrity like he's essentially attacked yours, I wouldn't stand for it, and I don't know how any other innocent person could either. —Aichon— 13:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

At least HE'S not being a jerk. Jerk.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Since you first posted this, most of the characters have removed the "..." from their description. The timing is interesting. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T19:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Response To Chev

Hello Chev. Thanks for responding. If you didn't spraypaint an entire suburb to accuse me of zerging, fair enough. I don't have any evidence that is was you, only a strong suspicion. As your post on the AZS chatboard does show, you do accuse people of zerging. I can only apologise if this was not the case.

Yes. Your first character was active long before the other alts. I can't dispute that. However I strongly disagree that this is proof you aren't zerging. I believe that no one comes to the game on day 1 with the clear idea of cheating. We all start with one character, learn about the game and its mechanics and over time, learn about other things. Then over the weeks and years we create alts to experience different sides of the game.

Which is interesting as you've only got one declared alt. Never fancied being a zombie, or running two independent characters? I mean, you only need 50ip hits to run one character right?

But then again, 4 of the 6 original characters I accused you of zerging with? All were created between the 8th and the 16th of December 2007. All four of them registered on your forum on the 19th December 2007. All of them write ... in the exact same style ...

If you have nothing to do with any of these alts, then does it not worry you that they're all acting in a remarkably similar way? I'd do a full investigation of the group. Looks like you've got a determined zerger in your midsts whose been duping you for years. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

tl;dr, Chev's a zerger or to stupid to recognize a zerger in his group.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 20:21, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Response to the accusations

Ok guys. I will try to explain what is happening or has happened. I am an English teacher in Asia. I taught in Korea for five years and am now teaching in Thailand. Being as this is a game that you have to read and understand in order to play the game. Some students are encouraged to participate and play. I tell them the group name and they join it. Their English isn't that good so they tend to copy the style of the leader. That is why there tends to be the similarity in posting styles. Also, they tend to log on when they are at school on the same server. So they take turns to play and post as they are unable to log on as multiple users on the same system. And that is why it seems that a few people joined the group one after the other, created their characters near the same times, and post in a similar manner. I really am upset about all these accusations as it seems quite personal. I don't think it is needed. I am sorry to Penguinpyro for accusing him of being a zerger. I admit that was a mistake. Sometimes, you are just trying to get a response. And it seems that matter has been cleared up. And I will ask Penguinpyro to accept my apology. I was wrong to do that. Personal attacks are not needed in this game. We all love our characters and sometimes we do take things personally. But in the end, it is still a game that we all enjoy. --Cheveyo 09:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

You're an English teacher who writes in broken sentence fragments connected by misused ellipses? And you encourage your pupils to do the same? (I don't believe an English teacher would produce the sentence "Being as this is a game that you have to read and understand in order to play the game.")

Your pupils play when you play and stop when you stop? And their characters are drawn from a clearly American cultural palette not a Korean or Thai one?

I think your explanation above is a collection of lies, and I think you are a cheat. Billy Forks 09:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

You can believe what you want Billy. That decision is up to you. This is an online game and they play in the Asian time zone. This is turning into a personal attack and I don't think it is needed. I have given an explanation of events that have transpired in the past. That is all. I have not attacked you personally. Yet, you are attacking me. Why are you doing that? I think it is time to let things go. This isn't solving anything at all. And things will just escalate if things continue the way they are. In my opinion, this page is a personal attack. And I feel that the right thing should be done. I have not attacked you personally and I think that this needs to stop. --Cheveyo 12:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Cheveyo, would you mind saying the name of your school and town/city???--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:06, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Could I get yours Yonnua? I highly discourage Cheveyo to reveal that, whether he is making it up or not. It wouldn't be the first time we had problems with privacy on this wiki. --Thadeous Oakley 14:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Touche.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

You reall want to know where he lives? Thats quite disturbing Yonnua. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:37, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

No, i was just going to check if there was a school in a town/city in Thailand, where students were taught English. If he couldn't provide one, we'd know he was lying, and if he could on short notice, then he'd almost definitely be telling the truth. but it doesn't matter, because of the privacy issues which I'd forgotten about.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

"I have not attacked you personally. Yet, you are attacking me. Why are you doing that?"

I haven't previously attacked you personally. You have slandered my group and one of it's oldest members, you've cheated against us, and now you're telling a lot of ridiculous lies about your actions. And you try to adopt this 'wounded innocence' tone? You are a liar and a cheat, and that isn't a personal attack, that's an accurate description based on your actions.

And who comes off worst in all this? Well, it's your own friends - the honest members of Blackhawk Nation. Have they had any good battles, have they done anything cool? I expect so. Were there other players out there who thought "Those BHN guys, they were pretty effective!" Probably. But you've covered all of that with shit, haven't you? What's BHN's reputation now? "Those BHN guys, it was all that one zerging, lying piece of shit, Cheveyo."

Well done, moron. Billy Forks 08:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Another Response

Thanks Chev. You've been teaching the same children English for three years? Thats strange. Their English isn't good, so they copy the style of the leader? really. After three years of tutelage?

Heres my favourite question. remember the screenshots?

User:Rosslessness/Hmm#Day5

All taken off GMT time. Plug that into a converter to Thailand time, and thats, +7 hours.

Are you really telling me that your students were logging on, one after another between 8.46pm, and 9.35 pm On a sunday night ? Thats a pretty commited school you have there. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:37, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I had the same english teacher for 4 years, it's not that strange on secondary school...but yeah, a very unconvincing story of him overall. Still, I imagine that for Korean and Thais students, who probably never used the latin alphabet, english is a hard language even after three years. Hell, I had 3 years of French, still can barely do anything with it. --Thadeous Oakley 13:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

But were you hanging around your school at half 9 on a sunday night? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

...I did not response to that point, because it's a good point Ross. Just saying' --Thadeous Oakley 17:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Been Thinking a bit more

I note that all the original profiles have lost their ... distinct style ... of writing ... overnight. Wonder why that was. I have a couple more questions for chev, but Im busy for 8 hours. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 08:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thought About your response

Cheveyo said:

Ok guys. I will try to explain what is happening or has happened. I am an English teacher in Asia. I taught in Korea for five years and am now teaching in Thailand. Being as this is a game that you have to read and understand in order to play the game. Some students are encouraged to participate and play. I tell them the group name and they join it. Their English isn't that good so they tend to copy the style of the leader. That is why there tends to be the similarity in posting styles. Also, they tend to log on when they are at school on the same server. So they take turns to play and post as they are unable to log on as multiple users on the same system. And that is why it seems that a few people joined the group one after the other, created their characters near the same times, and post in a similar manner. I really am upset about all these accusations as it seems quite personal. I don't think it is needed. I am sorry to Penguinpyro for accusing him of being a zerger. I admit that was a mistake. Sometimes, you are just trying to get a response. And it seems that matter has been cleared up. And I will ask Penguinpyro to accept my apology. I was wrong to do that. Personal attacks are not needed in this game. We all love our characters and sometimes we do take things personally. But in the end, it is still a game that we all enjoy. --Cheveyo 09:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

A few things.

"I taught in Korea for five years and am now teaching in Thailand."

Now I don't know why you wrote this, but I guess you think its relevant. Now, this means one of two things.

1. You started a new job last year. This would explain the large gap between posts on the forum for all the accounts.
2. Its an irrelevant fact. You started your new job several years ago. This does not explain the gap of 10 months between the posts of all the forum accounts.

Now if 1 is true, then yes it would explain why there was a gap between the posts. You didn't have any students to practice their english in the game.

However

When you started this new job, moving from Korea to Thailand did all the students move with you? Because otherwise, how would your new students be able to log into the accounts that your original students had created. Unless you had all the passwords. In which case, well done, you've confirmed that you have the ability to zerg with all these accounts.

"Their English isn't that good so they tend to copy the style of the leader. That is why there tends to be the similarity in posting styles."

Reading through your forum, I've found no evidence in any of your "students posts" of

• Spelling Mistakes other than the odd missed capitalisation.

• Misuse of Tenses

• Incorrect sentence structure.

Other than ... the ... weird typing style ...

Posts like the one below also make me question this statement.

It seems this "Student" was clever enough to read the wiki, understand about reviving, DNA extraction and the target stack.

Thats very clever of him.

"Being as this is a game that you have to read and understand in order to play the game. "

Thats fair. It is a game where people should be able to read and understand.

However, today. The profiles of 8 of the 11 alts were changed. To ... remove ... the ... writing style ...

Amongst these were Jeffrey Black and bad billy

So I assume they are your "students" as well.

If you are encouraging english use. Why aren't they registered on the forum? That would be the perfect place for them to use their english writing skills, would it not? Otherwise, how could you justify devoting teaching time to playing the game? Or is it all done in their break times? Because that would be strange. Logging on one after another to a forum, and having to get you to check their spelling everytime. When do you get a break?

Oh yeah. And you still haven't explained how they all logged on one after another at 9 o'clock at night on a sunday evening.

Thanks --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh snap. I have nothing against you or BHN personally Cheveyo, but Mr. Ross has just torn apart your abili big-time. --Penguinpyro 02:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah you seem pretty cool Pyro. Sorry about the accusation. This is enough Ross. It is funny that this is happening after the BHN kicked all of the zeds out of St Ferreols. This seems to be the main reason as you cannot believe that a group would have its members launch a timed assault in order to accomplish a task. And, it is strange that when one St Ferreol's zed wakes up. Five or six more suddenly wake up and get back in the hospital as well. Why is that? You seem to love claiming other people are zerging. But remember I am not the one claiming you are a zerge. It seems that you have started this witch hunt because you believed that I was calling you a zerge. I never did. Maybe you should try to find out the real person who is doing it. Instead of wasting your time harassing the person who didn't do it. But, if you insist on calling me a zerge. Maybe I should create ten new characters and devote my time to hunting you down. Nothing else will matter except the fact that you will be dead everytime. I don't have any now. But if this keeps us, I guess I might as well. If I am going to be accused of it. I might as well do it. And what a better target than you. Leave me alone and get a life. I am tired of you. You need to move on. This is abuse. If this is the best thing that you have to do in your free time, I actually feel sorry for you. What a sorry life that must be. Now get over it and clean this up and find the real person. Because someone is calling you out and it is not me. Remember that. --Cheveyo 09:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)