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Developing Suggestions

This section is for general discussion of suggestions for the game Urban Dead.

It also includes the capacity to pitch suggestions for conversation and feedback.

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Adding a New Discussion

To add a general discussion topic, please add a Tier 3 Header (===Example===) below, with your idea or proposal.

Adding a New Suggestion

• To add a new suggestion proposal, copy the code in the box below.
• Click here to begin editing. This is the same as clicking the [edit] link to the right of the Suggestions header.

• Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
• Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.
• The process is illustrated in this image.

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|name=SUGGESTION NAME
|type=TYPE HERE
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|description=DESCRIPTION HERE
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• Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
• Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change.
• Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
• Description should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.

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• Suggestions with no new discussion in the past month may be cycled without notice.

Please add new discussions and suggestions to the top of the list

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Suggestions

Corneal damage/Dark seeking

Timestamp: PAYNETRAIN 05:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Type: new skill

Scope: zombies

Description: This is a skill which is only available to zombies.....now we all know that zombies spend half of their lives in the dark except when breaking down barricades and entering a building,so this skill blind sight allows the zombie to see better accuracy in the dark and have a lesser accuracy in lighted places(just the opposite of survivors who have better accuracy in the light)this allows the zombies to easily kill survivors who are just standing outside which increases the risk of "just standing outside".a lesser accuracy in light will also mean that the zombies will probably first go for the generators first rather than survivors(probably!).....

Discussion (Corneal damage/Dark seeking)

So, basically, you intend to 1) shift zombies' priorities towards taking out gennies and and 2) make killing street treats and 3) dark building inhabitants easier.

Thematically, this is plausible and feels right. No issues there.

Gameplay- 1) "Just standing outside", as it is, is usually a suicide move in any burb with an actual zombie population, however, so this won't change much. 2) I enjoy the idea of zombies having a further accuracy advantage in cinemas, thus making sleeping there more of a tactical choice (a trade off between security from PKers and security from zombies). 3) I am not so keen on the idea of *having* to take out the genny first. Most permagreen burbs are loaded with needlessly placed generators everywhere, so this would again contribute to the "rich get richer" your last developing suggestion had. However, this is not much of an issue because, after all, this would be an optional skill that players can choose not to take if they don't want the light debuff. I think this is a pretty solid idea overall. --RadicalWhig 06:28, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Decaying barricades

Timestamp: Labla 13:42, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Type: Barricade change

Scope: Everyone

Description: Add slow decay of barricades to unattended buildings, making over-barricades ghost towns at least useful to new players. Rationale Urban Dead player base is shrinking with each day, which has great impact on the game. Suburbs without large buildings (Malls) or/and organized active groups become desolated. This in turn leads to creation of over-barricaded ghost towns in many cases. In normal condition zombies would work like savanna wildfire, ruining suburb from time to time (and later survivors would reclaim red part of the city). This doesn't necessary happens, in some part of the Malton it is hard to find a single zombie or numbers are so low, that ferals have very low impact. This is natural as predators follow their pray, which leads to clustered player activity in UD. What is the bad part? Barricades in desolated areas stay the same or goes up thanks to Fiddler's Green Syndrome. It is hard to find any use for those places, beside huge free running lanes. New players will avoid this area - finding a safe house can be close to impossible. Experienced survivors will also have hard time finding entry point. Same goes for zombies, EHB and small food supplies just drives them off. At least in case of completely ruined suburbs, there are mobile groups and also unaffiliated survivors who enjoy reclaiming this type of terrain. So what we can do with over-barricades ghost towns? Solution Add slow decay to unattended buildings. Barricades should go down after some time. Keep in mind that main beneficents should be new players. Buildings with lower barricades make good safe-house for new survivors. They are also easier to open up for zombies. Possible problems Finding right balance, it is a double edged sword. Example: negative impact of too fast decaying barricades will not be limited only to survivors - think pinata tactics. Mechanics This is part I would like discuss, before submission. Barricades are central part in UD mechanics and even slight change can have great impact. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something crucial, leaving a loophole. Bellow you will find the very first draft. After 3 weeks without touching barricades, decay should kick in. If building is empty at the time, barricade should go down a one level per day. Decay stops when someone rebarricades building (successful attempt) or barricade level reaches VSB+0. This means that building at EHB+2 would drop to VSB+0 in about a month. Why VSB+0? I picked up this level, because it is used at rot revive clinics as good compromise. Provides some security, on other hand it can be taken by zombies pretty easy.

Discussion (Decaying barricades)

Great idea. It'll have no impact at all on suburbs that are being hotly contested, but for suburbs that have been largely abandoned, it should help to make things easier for both sides, since new survivors will spawn there more often (they only spawn in VSB buildings) and newbie zombies will see VSB cades and know that they can actually have a hope of taking them down and getting inside. Plus, it'll avoid Fiddler's Green, as you said, meaning that entry points should be easier to find in those suburbs. —Aichon— 16:19, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

It may have been suggested before, I will eventually check. Also, welcome to Developing suggestions, feel free to ask any questions, and using the comments box on your edit to ask for help is always a genius move. Well played sir. --Rosslessness 17:42, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

It was suggested before, probably more than once e.g.: Suggestion:20091010_Barricades_Degrade_With_Time. Not sure if different rationale and better, more specific description is enaugh to not get duped. --Labla 18:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I like the mechanic, but I would prefer something that actually reduced the playing area rather than (as this seems to) increasing it. There's a reason a number of suburbs are effectively abandoned, and it's because the player base has shrunk. Having new players spawn in useful but practically empty suburbs probably isn't the best thing. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 18:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Same mechanic, just one ransack on top of that and new players won't spawn there. --Labla 18:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

out of box thinking I know, but how about any building with a repair cost above x, has all their barricades destroyed? The decay description could be modified to reflect this.--Rosslessness 19:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

So, you'd essentially wear down pinata barricades over time? Yeah, I could go for that as well. —Aichon— 19:37, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the issue of overcading of repaired buildings in green(ish) suburbs is a bigger one that that of piñatas. Although I assume the suggestion as presented here would affect both equally. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 20:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I believe the piñata is a viable tactic, and I don't wish to damage it, however, in my experience they're almost impossible to maintain. A single life cultist can easily break them down, so a high decay value wouldn't mess with them imo. As for green areas, it's more tricky. Maybe a "Maintain barricades" button for 0ap? A decay rate and description for cades? I just want to keep it simple. --Rosslessness 20:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't put in a "Maintain Barricades" button that doesn't seem to do anything. I'd just put in some flavor text along the lines of, "The building has been very heavily barricaded. The barricades are dusty after weeks of being untended and are starting to come apart." Something like that would tell people both what was causing the issue (leaving them alone for weeks) and how they can fix it (tend to them). —Aichon— 22:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello!

• Suggestion comments. The mechanism for barricade decay probably won't make sense. Sometimes it's okay to have things not make sense in Urban Dead, as long as it makes sense for it to not make sense. For example, the existence of zombies, revification syringes, magic self-surgery.
• Other comments. The real problem with barricades is that they're boring. It's not gamemechanic-imbalanced (though arguably gamefun-imbalanced). Barricades prevent the two sides from interacting most of the time. Barricades don't interact with anything and they're not interactive. They don't come back to shoot you after you break them down, nor do they rise up to bite you from under your feet. They don't say anything, and they don't move. They block zombies from eating survivors and survivors from being eaten by zombies. The main excitement of the game is the two sides interacting.

Barricades are boring. I don't have a solution.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestions up for voting

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