UDWiki talk:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB vs Zeug and Extinction

And so it begins...--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 15:37, 24 September 2008 (BST)

Ha, yeh, should be fun. I was going to go to the vandal reports first then on to arbi but they took it one step further and took it to deletions ... which is just a beautiful display of barhah.com meatpuppets ... and open for 14 days! And now it's just me and jorm, I can't tell you how much wiki fun this is for me. He usually runs screaming but now it's one on one in the ring of death. Awes.--Zeug 08:47, 25 September 2008 (BST)

If one looks through all the relevant records, one will find that the person who engages consistently and vociferously in -- to use different terminology than zeug -- petty name-calling and wiki-bullying in this matter (and in general) is zeug himself. No, he's not the only one engaging in flaming and insults -- I have done it myself, of course, so have others -- but he's led the pack by miles.... consistently.... He exactly fits the bill of the type of wiki-personality whom he claims to be "opposing and resisting" perfectly. Like, for instance, not treating the UZM page as the community page which it is -- and consistently demanding that people play by his own rules in editing this community page. Many people -- a large chunk of the zombie metagaiming community, in fact -- did not want to be associated with his technologically adept form of impersonation -- and when they tried to remove themsevles, Zeug unilaterally went against these wishes of the community and reverted -- again and again and again -- their edits... All that zeug EVER demonstrates is a self-obsessive arrogance and unwillingness to "play nice with others"... and an almost pathological desire to "push people's buttons"...

What a load of hypocritical, sophistic bullshit... --WanYao 16:30, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Furthermore, if Zeug continues to me name me by name in this case, as he's done several times -- and I'd say this potentially applies to Iscariot, as well -- then perhaps I ought to be officially included in this Arbitration case. See also Jorm's statement that others can join in... Given the facts that I was part of the edit war, and that in said edit war I was acting as a wiki-community member, not a MOB member... This is up to Cheese and Jorm, however... and all said and done I don't want to be part of this shit... but..... --WanYao 16:40, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Jorm's comment applied to groups, not individuals. But that doesn't change the fact that zeug is naming me repeatedly in this case. Which use of largely ad homimen attacks, in a context in which I am not officially permitted to defend against or to rebut his attacks or "arguments"... well... I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here, leave it at that... And, no, I don't want to be officially a part of this case... But I hope these facts will be duely noted by the Arbitrator... --WanYao 16:58, 25 September 2008 (BST)

I am not part of this case. This is Jorm's case and have no want to get involved. However, as with previous cases I am concerned by the fact that things are being said about me for which I have no right to reply. I did mention this to Cheese on his talk page and expected him to make the appropriate comment in his section when he posted it. He has not done so. If I were to begin a case, which I may be forced to do going on what has been said, it would be against Cheese as the controlling user of this process. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:24, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Exactly... This isn't our case, and I don't want to be involved, either... But my name, and yours, are being dragged into it... repeatedly... and libellously. Among other things, as part of a wonderfully duplicitous tactic of trying to implicate some sort of "hive-mind meatpuppetry", when in reality the only thing taking place is an intersection of opinion among free and independent agents. --WanYao 17:33, 25 September 2008 (BST)

You free and independent agents are funny. Why not take my 'libellousness' to arbitration? Please. I'd love to keep this going. We could match up insults and sophistry one on one ... cept you know I'd win hands down. --Zeug 02:32, 26 September 2008 (BST)

Disagreement

I have to disagree with you, Zeug. I am not a good example of a wiki user. I'm a piece of shit and not a nice guy. It just so happens that you were rational (unlike a lot of people that flip a shit at the mere sight of my name) and worked with me. But I am glad we could work it out in a nice clean fashion. My point? I don't have one. Just, I'm not a nice guy for doing a nice thing. I'm sure Hitler loved puppies. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:44, 26 September 2008 (BST)

He didn't. He killed them and ate them. With a tomato sauce dip. Like mini sausages. Only with a bit more dog in them. He also cooked parrots and wore them as earmuffs. -- Cheese 00:01, 27 September 2008 (BST)

Adolf did love his German Shepherd Blondie, and was pretty much a vego. He liked to joke at dinner to his guests about where the meat they were eating came from, the slaughterhouse, while they were eating it. Rather grotesquely ironic considering he was responsible for industrial scale human abattoirs and the deaths of tens of millions of people.

As for whether you make a good wiki example, well I don't think wiki's should be about enforcing 'polite' conversation, there's plenty of room for bastards with low tolerance thresholds. Wiki's should be more about enforcing a degree of up front honesty whether polite or not rather than gang bangs and bad faith. Katthew is another good wiki example.--Zeug 14:45, 27 September 2008 (BST)

Wan Yao responds to the ruling

Cheese, you said, "Fourthly, this ruling does not apply to Iscariot or WanYao in any way as they are not involved in this case." However, you also said, "I also request that neither Jorm or any representatives of the MOB edit the page without due reason."

As I've said elsewhere, I acted as an "independent agent" (with an openly admitted, and also perfectly legitimate "intersection of opinion" with Jorm and Iscariot) in editing the UZM page. However, as a MOB member, I shall ignore the former quote and follow the latter. Thanks. --WanYao 03:59, 27 September 2008 (BST)

Said like a good and loyal MoBBIE! See you on #mob Wan.--Zeug 14:51, 27 September 2008 (BST)

The ruling is now confirmed not to include me in anyway. I thank Cheese for making this clear in his ruling. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:29, 29 September 2008 (BST)