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| This page is for the reporting of administrator (sysop) misconduct within the Urban Dead wiki. Sysops are trusted with a considerable number of powers, many of which have the capacity to be abused. In many circumstances, it is possible for a sysop to cause considerable havoc. As such, users are provided this page to report misconduct from the System Operators. For consistency and accountability, sysops also adhere to the guidelines listed here. | | This page is for the reporting of administrator (sysop) misconduct within the Urban Dead wiki. Sysops are trusted with a considerable number of powers, many of which have the capacity to be abused. In many circumstances, it is possible for a sysop to cause considerable havoc. As such, users are provided this page to report misconduct from the System Operators. For consistency and accountability, sysops also adhere to the guidelines listed here. |
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| The charge of Administrative Misconduct is a grave charge indeed. If misconduct occurs, it is important that the rest of the sysop team be able to review the charges as necessary. Any charge of administrative misconduct '''must''' be backed up with evidence. The clearest evidence that can be provided for administrative misconduct is a clear discrepancy between the relevant action log (deletion, block, or protection log) and the archives of the relevant administration service page, and this is a minimum standard of evidence admitted in such a tribunal. | | The charge of Administrative Misconduct is a grave charge indeed. If misconduct occurs, it is important that the rest of the sysop team be able to review the charges as necessary. Any charge of administrative misconduct '''must''' be backed up with evidence. The clearest evidence that can be provided for administrative misconduct is a clear discrepancy between the relevant action log (deletion, block, or protection log) and the archives of the relevant administration service page, and this is a minimum standard of evidence admitted in such a tribunal. |
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| [[Example page|Sysop]] seems to have deleted [[Example page|Bad Page]], but I can't find it in the Archives of either the Deletion or Speedy Deletion pages. The [[Special:Log|Logs]] show a deletion at 18:06, October 24th 2005 by a System Operator, but this does not seem to be backed up by a request for that deletion. I would like to know why this is the case -- [[Example page|Reporter]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) | | [[Example page|Sysop]] seems to have deleted [[Example page|Bad Page]], but I can't find it in the Archives of either the Deletion or Speedy Deletion pages. The [[Special:Log|Logs]] show a deletion at 18:06, October 24th 2005 by a System Operator, but this does not seem to be backed up by a request for that deletion. I would like to know why this is the case -- [[Example page|Reporter]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) |
| :The deletion was asked through my talk page. I give my [[Example page|Talk page]] as proof of this. -- [[Example page|Sysop]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) | | :The deletion was asked through my talk page. I give my [[Example page|Talk page]] as proof of this. -- [[Example page|Sysop]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) |
| | ::It looks like the page that was deleted did not belong to the requesting user, so you were in no position to delete it on sight. -- [[Example page|Reporter]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) |
| ::You know the rules, Sysop. All deletion requests have to go through the Speedy Delete page. Next time, please inform the user where they should lodge the request. This is a clear violation, will you accept a one-day ban as punishment? -- [[Example page|Sysop2]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) | | ::You know the rules, Sysop. All deletion requests have to go through the Speedy Delete page. Next time, please inform the user where they should lodge the request. This is a clear violation, will you accept a one-day ban as punishment? -- [[Example page|Sysop2]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) |
| :::I'm not liking it, but I clearly broke the rules, I'll accept the ban. I'll certainly remember due process next time... [[Example page|Sysop]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) | | :::I'm not liking it, but I clearly broke the rules, I'll accept the ban. I'll certainly remember due process next time... [[Example page|Sysop]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) |
| ::::As punishment for failing to follow due process, Sysop has been banned for a period of 24 hours. This will be moved to the Archive shortly. -- [[Example page|Sysop2]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) | | ::::As punishment for failing to follow due process, Sysop has been banned for a period of 24 hours. This will be moved to the Archive shortly. -- [[Example page|Sysop2]] 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST) |
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| For removing the majority of the groups from the historical page as seen [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Protections#Historical_Groups here]. The groups in question are old, historical groups that shaped the early history of the game and have disbanded. Iscariot, being the noob that he is, requested them to be taken down because instead of reading on what makes them historical he did what every idiot does; he ignored it. Boxy, being the worst sysop on the wiki, listened to Iscariot and removed the groups because "they weren't voted on", despite the historical group category existing prior to the rule forcing a vote. These groups were historical for years before someone decided to make it a vote worthy category, meaning anyone who remembered the groups is gone and the majority of the people are new, and thus never heard of them. This is as retarded as someone saying ancient history should be removed from textbooks because no one was around to witness it. Boxy, abused his powers as a sysop to remove groups from historical status. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 04:53, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :I was only following the policy that you voted on, Sonny. As it says on the [[UDWiki:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Historical_Groups|policy page]], "''all groups currently within the category will remain <u>as long as they have a historical significance section added</u> within a month of the passing of this policy''", and I was fairly generous in my interpretation of a historical section too. As long as I could find something on the page referring to their place in UD history, I left them there <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 06:19 9 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| ::You can't add a historical section to a group when its locked and when the group leaders are no longer active. You know as well as anyone we cannot get the original group members back. You ignored logic and what is right for the wiki. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 06:21, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::''You ignored logic and what is right for the wiki. ''. This sums it up nicely. '''Misconduct'''. There is no way that Iscariot's list can be considered good faith and acting on obvious vandalism is Misconduct. You edited a protected page and that is a sysop ability.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:18, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| I will be rolling back all of those edits pending the outcome of this misconduct case. These groups were considered Historical before there was even a Historical policy for the most part, and it is ridiculous that you caved to Iscariots BS and edited locked group pages that existed before he even started playing UD. I have been accused of poor judgment in the past but these edits deserve an explicative that "bullshit" just doesn't cover. You should have at the very least contacted other sysops before pulling this. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:58, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :to add, most of the groups in question were originally determined to be Historical in 2006 and protected by Max. The remaining were done in Jan or June of '08. The decisions were made then and once made should not have been undone...this is History we are talking about. And ''The Undying Scourge'' Not Historical? Come on. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 07:16, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :If you were aware of such things (which you usually aren't), you could have made your opinion clear on the case at hand, it was open for 2 days and still discussed after the action, i believe {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:20, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| i am not surprised that iscariot asked for these groups to be removed, but i am rather surprised that boxy agreed with it. Some of the groups removed are older than myself and many other old dinosaurs of this wiki, and you think ''newbies'' like iscariot have what it takes to decide their historical importance ? yeah right --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 16:54, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :Fuck off with that shit. Being here for a long time does not grant you any special powers of the mind, as can be plainly seen. You do not have the right to be arrogant about the time you have been here because you being here is a bad thing. If anything you should be apologising. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:50, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::Those're still some goddamn historical groups though I do agree with otherbob that I missed the sarcasm or something haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 18:55, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::We all know that if those groups were put up to vote again they'd lose because of newfags like Iscariot not knowing how to read or care. Mall Tour was put up for historical event and lost because people weren't around to witness it. Being around longer means you know the shit first hand. It puts you in a better position than someone new who doesn't know shit. Iscariot doesn't know shit and boxy followed Iscariot's demands to remove groups he didn't care about. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:16, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::Oh no I'm not disagreeing with you there; I'm just saying that in hagnat's particular case he might not want to go around flaunting his longevity on this site so much because people might start demanding reparations. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 19:22, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::Because hagnat was a negro-slave owner?... o_O --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:27, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::Lies. Only my grandad had a few of them, and i barely had a chance to abuse them! --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 19:48, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::You abused my family thoroughly though. I guess it doesn't count because we're Polish huh? Fuck you racist bitches. :) --[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 19:50, 9 June 2009 (BST)
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| Well I have been her almost as long as Hagnat (or indeed pretty much anyone else who has been active for longer than can be healthy) and I don't recognize most of those groups so i don't really think you can blame newer users for wondering what the big deal is. That said there are enough old timers about who were here that a justification for Historic Status could easily be made for the more obvious cases (none of which Boxy deleted) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:17, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :But if a groups historical, it's historical. We shouldn't have to question them being there and re-validate them. Voting them in solved that issue and it only seems right that the rest were grandfathered in.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:21, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :really? So "on strike" part 2 deserve historic status even though it was never a group? Axes High... sure, a few of the others maybe but frankly some of those got on the list to massage egos and made it only because no one got to vote at the time! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:49, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::Comprehensive list with evidence or shut up. :P --[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:55, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::Good point, comprehensive list including evidence of why these groups should be considered "historical" please... that should sort this out! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:57, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::There you go. Best I can do right now. Busy.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:02, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::Your ignorance, HonestMistake, is no excuse. Because you were a noob at the time of those groups' retirements doesn't make them unimportant. You seem to remember Slaves of the Mistress but do not remember the Undying Scourge or the Shambling Seagulls? The Many was the first major horde at the time and was unbeatable until the PA Rebel Alliance. This happened early in the game's history, September 2005 if I'm correct. But we remember Mall Tour and how they lost at Caiger so the Caiger Mall Survivors are remembered. Every group save for the Iron Cross Brothers deserves to be historical. And I say the ICB doesn't deserve it because there were several groups of that name at that time and the only reason people knew about them was one group were neo-Nazis and the other were fighting them in Creedy. History is history for a reason. If newer people know about it right away then it isn't history. History isn't something that you experience after it happens. It happened and it's documented. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:15, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::Not trying to start a fight but really, of the 19 demoted/deleted groups i know of 1 and have vaguely heard of (at most) 3 more. On the other hand i have heard of at least 5 of the 8 that Boxy left alone. Being here for so long does not give me, you or anyone else special privileges and those groups that are there without community recognition should be listed as such... not deleted or moved but clearly marked as having been added before any real scrutiny was mandated. I always understood that Historical Status was only awarded to those groups that had significant impact on the development of the game. "Back on Strike" were not even a real group and most of the others were probably important only in certain locations. I am not arguing for their removal.... merely a decent explaination of what it was exactly that made them worthy of being declared historical in the first place.... without that being present I think Boxy was not being unreasonable to remove their status tag.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 01:24, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::: Plain and simple, Honest...They were made Historical (most of them in 2006) Whatever determination was used at the time is valid (Despite what Iscariot might have to say about it.) What was done should not be undone espescially when it comes to "History" I hate revisionists and find this as bad an edit as going into the archive pages and deleting articles only found on pages not watched anymore. And you cant argue the WHY, because MOST of the people that decided the WHY are long gone. By the way..If I'm not clear on my stance...'''Misconduct'''.[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 01:32, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::But you admit, this is only in ''your'' eyes, with ''your'' knowledge. No one else, save for Boxy, seems to be in such a fuss to go back and remove Historical Groups. If we go back and second guess everything done, nothing of real value will be gotten and people will just wind up angry.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:33, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::Dont blame the groups if you dont know their history and importance. The Red-Eye Republic and The Undying Scourge were the RRF of their time. When i joined the game, they were there and i was shitting my pants trying to avoid getting my harman killed by them (ah, the good ol' times when you are a newbie in a new game). The PennyArcade Alliance was dissolved long before i joined in, iirc, yet i heard lots of people talking about 'em with spraypaint all over the city. The gingerbread man was one of the first groups to ever defy the RRF in its homeland, and a great opponent for several months. Axes High was heavily active in Barhahville, defending it from the RRF. The Apocalypse Horde and the Mistress (aka MrAushvitz) was another large horde that laid waste to several burbs. To be honest, the only group that might have earned a demotion is the Back on Strike, since such event never actually took place. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 02:31, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| Please go and list all those that you add to historic [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/SucceededArchive#Pre_voting_Historical_Groups|here]] so that we have a comprehensive list of groups that legitimately have the template added in the future <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:20 10 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :Done and Done [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:46, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| Neither [[Axes High/Historic]] nor [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Gingerbread_Men&diff=1387080&oldid=1371273 The Gingerbread Men] were historic before the policy was made. [[Axes High]] are still active, and [[The Gingerbread Men]] were at the time they were [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/Archive#Disqualified|voted on]] and asked for it to [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive2006#The_Gingerbread_Men|be unprotected]] and they obviously removed the template <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:20 10 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :And here comes the fun part where I point out you were caught not reading. Axes High was disbanded. Then a user who was not a leader of the original group decided to bring it back and move it into the DEM. It is not the same group in the way the New CoL is not the Original CoL. The member who asked for the Gingerbread Men was not the leader but probably only one member since after that unprotection nothing became of the group. Von Luthius aka Ram Rock Ed, the leader, did not request nor did he participate in the group after it was unprotected. Both of these groups had disbanded at the time but never applied for historic status because all members buggered off an left. When people from the groups came back it was at a much later time, thus the reason why they were added later than the rest. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:29, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::Sonny, (and anyone else) can you double check the list [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/SucceededArchive#Pre_voting_Historical_Groups|here]] and tell me if I failed to "*" any group? Seems like DARIS reformed at some point but I can't recall. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:46, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::[[DARIS (disambiguation)]], but they're fairly clearly not a continuation. Also the [[Shambling Seagulls]] became active again <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:34 10 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| ::::Also [[Paradox]]/[[Paradox (2006)]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:42 10 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :::::DARIS did not reform. That was just the PKA's attempt to rip off their name to gain support. Katthew came back and denied DARIS' involvement. The Seagulls did not become active again, only certain members, not the whole group. Becoming active again later by a few members does not make them unhistorical. Paradox is a very, very large forum. When the original group croaked members of the forum decided to restart it much later on. This would be like saying The Many were active again because The Dead were SomethingAwful members. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 04:18, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::If you shitheads running the wiki had actually listened to us when this new fucking DARIS made their page and let us protect our name then you wouldn't have this issue at all. But the fact that any asshat can come here and say ''I'm starting a group named WHATEVER 2.0''' and no one says ''You can't use that name'' that is why you get these knock off groups. The worst part is that the Dead will probably never get the historic status they deserve because since it is such a large group it will never be without more than 10 members and thus off the stats page. (which seems to be a requirement to be considered as historic). If it was put to a vote, I doubt that the new users on here would vote them in since they only vote on their limited experience of UD. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 14:19, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::I believe there is a precedence that came about recently, where the '10 active users' clause became null because the leaders formally announced that the group in question ''was'' in fact defunct. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:25, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::Recent example is /zom/. Got historical even with 20 members orso active on the stats page.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 18:33, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::I would support the Deads listing as a historical group even if they do still have lots of active users, hell their mass influx to the game turned everything upside down for a good long while and should probably be listed as a historic event in and of itself! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:02, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::Can this discussion about who and who shouldn't be historical move to the talk page so this page doesn't get flooded with this? An official ruling still needs to be made anyway.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:04, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::::You can't discuss anything on the talk page of misconduct. All discussion must be on the main page. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 20:46, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::::Alright. That doesn't make a ton of sense though, but whatever.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:04, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::::::Wait, you're complaining it doesn't make sense? Look at what wiki you're on pal. This whole place doesn't make sense half the time. :/ --[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 21:06, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::::::Damn straight, unfortunately.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:10, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::::::Yes. Which is why you should demote so that things can be fixed. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:12, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::::::::::Demotion? Probably not. But I'm very angry about the fact that he would give in to such insane demands and not even think about it. The wiki is here to be a record of UD. Not to be some pissant wiki lawyer's playground where he argues the most mundane shit. Boxy might be an idiot, but clearly the problem here is Iscariot. This is the 2nd case of him using a legitimate admin page to further some personal agenda. And no, I am not counting A/M, A/A, and A/VB. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:59, 13 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::::Yes, SirArgo is right, can you stop banging on about what you care about Honest? Add something constructive or don't bother being here. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:35, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| Even though Sonny's attempt above to define history as something fixed and absolute is laughable -- and his typical hysterical frothing is, well, typical Sonny-ness -- he's nonetheless correct in being outraged over this. Come on boxy, even I know the majority of those groups, and I'm a newfag. And even if there is debate about the historicity of some of them, your reclassification circumvented policy and procedure with no justifiable reason -- and even less community input. It's even more unbelievable that you did it at Iscariot's urging -- as if Iscariot has the best interests of the wiki at heart..... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:13, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :You're a newfag who's upset because I troll you on IRC. gobak2buthurt --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:23, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::you flatter yourself to think that. really you do. oh, you're certainly noticed on IRC, sonny.... but not in the way you believe. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:55, 10 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::You're an idiot. Enjoy your stupid. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:06, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| The groups shouldn't have been removed, this was a long past decided issue that has been addressed multiple times not the least recent of which was when I went through and locked all those pages as in accordance with the policy. Common sense does not go out the door because a rules lawyer won't shut up and it is a sysops job to work within the confines of common sense not the letter of the policy.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:57, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :It should have been documented somewhere in the Historic Voting system then, eh. But meh, it's [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/SucceededArchive#Pre_voting_Historical_Groups|done now]], so let's hand out a punishment, move on, and get over it already <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:07 11 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| '''Misconduct''', and I think a warning will suffice. Or a horribly painful demotion. ;) --[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 02:28, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :I am partial to the latter suggestion. Nubis and Conndraka, would you support this too? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:48, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::It was a joke and we all know it. :P. But seriously, sonny, did you ban me from IRC?--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 02:51, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::No. It was Revenant. Also, stop joking. This is seris bisnes --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:07, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::I fucking love how not one of the #udwiki admins is actually a sysop. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 05:34, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::Technically I won when I ran for sysop because most of the Against votes were sockpuppets of DEM members. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 05:38, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::Not a vote--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 20:32, 11 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::Well, most of the #udwiki admins and users WERE sysops at a time. But grim got demoted, i asked for my demotion, swiers stopped joining in and so did thari... i am not sure about Karek, but last time i was actively joining in the channel he was always there. So, there you go, we used to had plenty of sysops active in the channel. Its not our fault that the current team doesnt show there. So shush about it. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 00:27, 12 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::He's not complaining because there are no ops in there, he's complaining that none of the ops that do go there, or any ops in general, have admin status. I'm not complaining about it, I don't know how to use IRC too well. Barely a week ago I remembered that we actually had a channel. So I've been active in there. So nyeah!--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:33, 12 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::::So have me and DDR <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:28, 12 June 2009 (BST)
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| Using IRC to decide wiki related issues is very poor form since there is no verifiable log. Besides, IRCing about a wiki? How little of a life do you have?--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:59, 13 June 2009 (BST)
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| Can I haz warning now? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:06 14 June 2009 (BST)</small>
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| :If I may make a suggestion. You should demote him for his heinous crime. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:07, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::Not going to happen. sorry that you aren't quite the unspoken overlord of the wiki youve been desperately hyping yourself up to be :( --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:12, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::Nonchalant repartee --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 10:35, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| I'll confirm the '''Misconduct''' now as above, and unless there is any discussion about a punishment when I get home in a few hours, I'll close the case and slap on a warning. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:17, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| :FUSS! DEMOTE !!! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 10:32, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::sigh... Would anyone other than Sonny like to push for demotion here? Or anything other than a warning, even? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:34, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::I'll second it. Those groups are historical and there was no reason to remove them from historical just cuz izzy made some sort of inane argument. you should know by now that izzy brings nothing productive to the table. plus with boxy's stellar past, I think it may be time the old boy retired.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 10:43, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::(AS is about as reliable a party as Sonny) --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 11:58, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| :::::Hence why I haven't bothered making an argument against him. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:14, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::::::JUST because it is asked for...[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 04:16, 15 June 2009 (BST)
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| Can someone summerise this for me in say, 2 to 3 sentences?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:57, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| :[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] [[A/PT#Historical_Groups|A/PT request]] remove [[:Category:Historical Groups|historical groups]] [[User:Iscariot/Historical Groups|before voting implemented]] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=PA_Rebel_Alliance&diff=1461858&oldid=1411910 boxy comply], [irc://irc.nexuswar.com/udwiki sonny hear about it] [[A/M|sonny go mad]]. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 13:07, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| ::<3 --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:19, 14 June 2009 (BST)
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| # For Now. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 04:16, 15 June 2009 (BST)
| | Check the [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive|Archive]] for concluded Misconduct cases. |
