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| ===[[User:Yonnua Koponen|Yonnua Koponen]]===
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| Alright, so it's been a month since I was nominated by Thad, but as I said at the time, I thought it would be best to wait a month before running. So, the basic skin of the matter. I'm experienced in all manners of wiki activities. I know the admin pages well. I've also performed several large scale janitorial tasks. I helped Ross kick the Orphans, and I've been helping to keep the list down since then. I archive the suburb news once a month, an activity which I just performed on Thursday. Generally, I'm an active member of the community, and I'm hoping to take it to the next level, and help contributing as part of the sysop team. Well then, err, thanks for any vouches, and if you have any queries or issues, feel free to express them.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 12:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *<s>'''Abstain''' {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 13:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)</s>
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| *:'''Against''' - Nah, too obnoxious. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 17:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Weak Against''' - You've been getting better at everything but you aren't someone I trust when handling drama- and it's not something I have faith you'll stay away from. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 13:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Everything you do is positively contributing to the wiki. You're not afraid to have an opinion, but you're not a dick, either. I'm sure you can handle the drama and be a good janitor. 'Nuff said.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 13:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Weak Vouch''' -Both as DDR and Giles. And hell, you kicked <s>the</s> some of the Orphans! --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:50, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:I got rid of a few. Maybe 100 odd. Ross did about 15 times as many as me. Mine was a very small part.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 13:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *::Fixed. ^ --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| * '''Vouch''' - You're a keeper. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}14:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| * Slightly weaker '''vouch''' than last time. Although the admin stuff is all there, some of your dealings with the more prickly wiki users have been less than perfect. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| * '''Ross'''.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| * '''Vouch''' - I trust him to what is right. ---{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 15:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Weak Against''' - He is an active member of the UDwiki community, but as sysop, he would potentially have to deal with conflicts among other members. I have experience on a firsthand basis how thin skinned and immature he can be at times. --[[User:FLZombie|FLZombie]] 16:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:That would be when you accused me of vandalism, and I then showed you inconclusive proof that it wasn't me?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 16:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *::Not all questions or complaints have to be taken personally, Yonnua. It was not a vandalism accusation - if I actually did think it was, I would have reported it as such. It was a simple request to not alter the map - which may have occurred accidentally. I included images to show proof that the map was accurate as I had fixed it - not knowing that I had attributed the changes to you erroneously. Yes, I apologized to you - twice in fact - in view of how upset you were evidenced by your childish name calling. I am an otherwise helpful editor, at a level of expertise that could only be described as beginner or novice. I am not a troublemaker, and was attempting only to help. The wiki is a place where editors of all levels of experience contribute, and perhaps I should avoid dealing with you in the foreseeable future. I think you are a great editor, and I wish you the best, but as Sysop, it is expected that you will have to deal with more that a fair share of "stupid pricks... posting slanderous(sic) accusations" and you can't get into a fight every single time. I will end my involvement in this discussion with an apology for having caused you so much trouble. --[[User:FLZombie|FLZombie]] 01:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| * '''Weak Keep''' - He's a nice guy who does tons of wiki-helpful things, but that's not what makes a sysop. I'm unsure of his drama-immunity; though I've seen him avoid plenty, I've also seen him get caught up in a few shitstorms. I'd probably be more enthusiastic if I knew why you wanted sysop powers, Yon.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 17:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *: To help out with the general admin tasks and flow of the wiki. Give me something to do on weekends. Also to provide support when other admins are absent. Oh, I also want to enforce a harsh ansd ruthless dictatorship to crush any wiki-resistance. ;) --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::So you basically want op buttons for teh lulz and to rule on dramatic cases?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| * '''against''' Active player, but says NO to every suggestion --[[User:Winman1|Winman1]] 17:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *: Umm, no I don't...?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *::He's just butthurt because his ideas suck.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Just to counter winman1's incredibly lame rationale. (oh and he does good work too) --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 18:20, 15 November 2009 (BST)
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| *'''Against''' - you sound like you're black... insta-against--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 19:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:I love you(r) Rak.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Seems like he'd be good. [[User :Armpit Odor|<span style="color:red"><sup>A</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>R</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>D</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>M</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>P</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>R</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>I</sup><span style="color:green"><sub> ! </sub><span style="color:red"><sup>T</sup></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>]] - 20:49 15 November 2009 (BST)
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| *'''Weak Against''' - I actually would've been more up for supporting you last month. In recent history though, you've had a few lapses in judgement, such as the suggested policy that didn't go through, the dealings with Iscariot's vandal data, and one or two other matters that I don't recall off the top of my head. None of them are permanent black marks, but, as DDR mentioned, I'm afraid I wouldn't trust you with drama, which you've demonstrated an interest in getting involved in. I think you're a nice guy and do good work around the wiki (even thanked you for it earlier this week), but the drama issue is something I can't get around right now. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - I don't think you are ready for the responsibilities involved in being a sysop. Don't take it personally. I think you're pretty cool, though :P --[[User:Chekken|Chekken]] 01:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' i'll change it to vouch if you promise to kick bob in the nuts once a month.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 01:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - because i hated Winman's suggestions too --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''weak against''' - You're a solid user, but I'm not quite convinced that you're sysop material. Not yet -- and one extra month isn't time enough... However, I don't think it matters what the community thinks anymore... c.f. red hawk one... le sigh --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:+1 Mr. Yao. +1 --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' -If I get in a mood where I feel like causing a ruckus, I would do it when you are on watch, because I don't think you are good enough to handle my shit. Hence, you vicariously shit yourself. You would understand if you gave yourself more than a months waiting time, instead of going away, making no improvements or endearing yourself to the community at large, besides getting in shitfights (and losing them) against some of the userbase and ultimately proving that if shit goes down, you can't handle it--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 07:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - Holy crap, been scrappin the bottom of the bloody barrel for awhile now on these promotion bids, but this is scrappin the shit off the floor underneath the barrel.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>07:43 16 November 2009(BST)</tt>
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| *:come back when you have had some real experience at creating mild shock.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 07:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *::Not interested in shock, mild or otherwise. It's just the sad truth.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>07:47 16 November 2009(BST)</tt>
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| *'''Against''' A frequent contributer who does a lot of useful work but I am not sure Yonnua could even contemplate being a neutral judge when dealing with anyone he disagree's with and that is an absolute must for sysophood. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ''For more concluded bids, see [[:Category:Promotions Candidacies|Promotion Candidacies]].''
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| | *[[UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Hagnat/2019-08-14 Promotion|Archived as Unsuccessful]]. |
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| | *[[UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/DanceDanceRevolution/2018-07-30 Promotion|Archived as Successful]]. |
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| I have actively contributed to the wiki since July 2009, and have worked intermittently since early 2009. In this time I was the driving force behind completing the [[BIC]] (as documented [[User:Red Hawk One/My BIC|here]] and in my contributions), and partially behind the recent revival in demerging locations pages (as evidenced in the prior link, as well as the previous three month's A/SD records). I often follow [[A/SD]], [[A/PT]], and [[A/MR]], although as a regular user I am currently unable to really do anything on those pages. So far as I can tell, I have made no enemies, and am polite and professional in my conduct with other users. For these reasons, I wish to run for sysop, in order to better maintain the wiki as an information source for the game.
| | ==Archived Bids== |
| | | ''For earlier promotion bids, see the following:'' |
| Thank you,
| | *[[:Category:{{CURRENTYEAR}}_Promotion_Archives|This year's promotion bids]] |
| | | *[[:Category:{{LASTYEAR}}_Promotion_Archives|Last year's promotion bids]] |
| --{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 05:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
| | *[[A/SA|Sysop Archives]] for older bids and related sysop activities |
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| *'''Vouch''' - Demonstrates an interest in the wiki and how it works. Shows no issues with drama or poor handling of drama. A good janitor. The more of these users we have, the better. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 06:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 07:10, 31 October 2009 (BST)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Beep boop {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 07:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - No involvement in administrative or policy pages. There's no need for you to have sysop powers in order to remain a valuable contributor to the wiki. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *Like I said, I'd need to know how you react in a hostile situation before I could approve of you. We've always had too many strictly janitor sysops and not enough judges to judge the damned and stuff. Fuck I'm not even sure what I was going to say anymore.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 09:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - Unless he stays away from the drama sections. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 09:35, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' however, '''Question'''. What would you do with your sysops powers, and why do you need them? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *:'''Question''' answered on my talk page if anyone wants to read the response. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - I'd vouch you straight out of the gate, but you need more drama experience. Argh, why are all the people I want as sysops runnign at the same time!--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 11:35, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' If Sysop status just gave you the ability to tidy things up easier I would vouch. It doesn't though, it also calls upon you to make fine judgements about vandals, misconduct etc... and for that people should have at least some evidence of how you would exercise that judgement. In otherwords.... get some experience in the areas that show your judgemnt. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Exremely Weak Vouch''' - You've done ALOT of work for this wiki, but if you want to get strong supports, you should get on more admin pages. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 13:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - While doing a lot for the wiki, i must agree with Honestmistake about vandals, and misconduct. I will say i log in a lot and on Recent Changes you have done quiet a bit of work. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 14:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch'''--[[User:Winman1|Winman1]] 21:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - Who? Also, what's with all the sudden flood of Sysop bids?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 04:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:They all felt like now would be the best time to run. It's not like the amount should change your opinion of whether someone deserves 'ops or not.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 04:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:: I abstained because I've never met the guy and know nothing about him, and am therefore unqualified to judge his character or usefulness as a sysop. It is wierd that there are so many bids though.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''No'''' who the fuck are you even, I dont even know even what are you right? So bad.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 05:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Knows what he's doing, has made plenty of good contributions and is able to be critical without being a douche. Great user and would make a great sysop.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 14:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - You don't need extra buttons to do what you do. You don't need extra buttons to improve the wiki. I don't want you to have extra buttons because I have no idea of how you're going to act when you get on A/VB or A/M. This notion that people who implement new systems and templates on the wiki will make good sysops is simply idiotic, they either make a mess of rulings or they just stick their heads in the sand and ignore these pages even when they are required. We already have two drama adverse sysops simply taking up space on the roster, I don't want more that will leave ruling in the hands of a small group. We need sysops that can rule based on understanding this community, its precedents and policies. They can then be taught to move/delete/restore pages far quicker than we can teach you what you need to know about vandalism, misconduct and good faith. Also, messing up a move isn't serious, causing a ruling to go the wrong way because you want to be nice can have much more serious consequences for this community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - As [[User:WanYao|WanYao]] and (surprisingly) [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 22:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC) | |
| *'''Abstain''' - I've seen your edits and agree that you're a valuable contributor, but I don't feel that I have a grasp of how you would handle certain situations that sysops must face. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Yawn, nahhh''' - charlie does everything janitorish about 5 minutes ''before'' its due to be done and so as iscariot, well his first sentence - i assume the rest is in a similar vein. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - in soviet russia, promotions vouchs you --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 14:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''against''' needs moar drama... tell iscariot to shut the fuck up a lot more. that would swing my vote.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''against''' -- In the past I have generally voted against people who nominate themselves. All the candidates I've ever voted for had somebody else nominate him/her. I sense a pattern... [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *<s>'''Vouch''' -Good contributor; liked his answer on Rosslessness' talk page. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)</s><small>Response after input period closed struck -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)</small>
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| :[http://tinyurl.com/65bw37 :'(] --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::You're comment is valid, Janus, donut worry! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::We iz profesionls! --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 23:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Shush up, I've had a bad day with spellinga nd ragmmar. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::This is not a voting process, all vouches are valid while the bureaucrat team does not reach a decision. Vouch unstruck --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 17:36, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Leave it striken, it's ok and it's still readable. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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| Alright, might as well get this on the road. I consider Red Hawk One a user trustworthy user when it comes to keeping his mind on his job and not getting carried away in activities he considers unnecessary on the wiki, ie. drama. There are an interesting number of againsts made critiquing Red Hawk One, not based on his experience or past work, but lack of such in drama fields such as A/VB, A/M and A/PD. There have been sysops who notoriously avoid these areas (ie. Rooster and Link) and stick to gnoming duties, and we consider them to be good sysops; and we should have more of these. I think we should all work towards being accepting towards these types of users as potential sysops, not because we should be ''obliged'' to, but because sysops with no drama aspirations and a hard-working attitude are ideal in no-nonsense, helpful operators.
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| To be able to promote a user under these circumstances, you have to trust the budding sysop to be capable of ''choosing'' to avoid the drama fields once the buttons are given, and Boxy and I trust Red Hawk One. '''Promoted'''. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 00:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :Promoting a user with a 33% approval rating from the community, the last time we promoted someone with such low numbers it was Hagnat and look how well that turned out....
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| :Considering the fact that nearly half of his vouches had no comments or nonsensical remarks it really makes the case for doing away with this system and letting the 'crats promote whoever they want given they are already. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I forgot this was such a quantitative system we had here. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 12:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::There's little point in asking for community input if not even 50% of those turning out to register their opinions would vouch for the candidate. His numbers are actually slightly higher in the early 40's I think. Potentially someone could receive a single vouch out of 21 votes and you could still promoted, since you aren't actually going with the majority (and it's not like this bid was meat-puppeted) it seems stupid to continue with a system that you out and out ignore. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::I know how and why you are saying this and I understand- But we do have the best intentions at heart and Boxy and I did discuss this thoroughly enough to discuss all the points that the community raised- we are going to try and move towards a community where "needz moar drama" is no longer a prerequisite for sysops who have absolutely no tendency to confront it, and the only way to do that is to prove to them that it is the case. And now we have A/RE, so it means the outcome of our actions- whether it be in the form of them failing their first bid or the form of us failing for promoting too willingly- can and may have subsequent repercussions. I'm willing to stake my future position on striving towards this goal. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 12:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::Two side points, first, it's not up to you and Boxy to be dictating through your positions where this community should be going that would be an act of moderation, you should be concerned about what this community needs and does not need right now. Hoping for a utopia isn't going to make it happen. Secondly, I heard you talk of staking your position before, yet to see you do anything to make sure you can't just change your mind when events go different to how you want. However both of these are not critical to the points here and can be debated elsewhere.
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| :::::A/RE is insufficient, it'll allow him eight months of a Hagnat style sysop reign, falling back on "Well he'll be gotten rid of there" just won't cut it considering the problems he could cause. What you have is a candidate who was promoted on the basis of four vouches in effect if we discard the ones without comment and the idiot comments. Of the over 20 users that showed up, 20% trusted this candidate enough and wanted him to be a sysop enough to vouch and write an actual sentence saying so. What we have here is the polar opposite to J3D's second promotion, a candidate without support being promoted for no discernible reason, we don't have an unassailable mountain of moves/deletes/protections to go through. It's incomprehensible to me how a voted 'crat team can so blatantly disregard the community to put in someone without any perceivable merit, particularly when Rorybob took the time to engage criticism and justify himself to the community and ended up being rejected. If memory serves this candidate answered a single question and buried his head in the sand for the rest of his candidacy. J3D was advised to request demotion after his promotion, Red Hawk One should certainly do that if he cares in any way for the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Hagnat floundered like a retard around the drama sections- Red Hawk One, I trust will not do such things. Why are you disregarding the entire point of our reasoning to suit your flawed argument? And FYI, I don't think he will bother considering self demote until users ''other'' than you kick up such a stink. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 13:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Surprisingly, I agree with Iscariot. He's said basically what I'm wondering.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 21:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::As Drawde, thus as Iscariot. I don't have a problem with Red Hawk myself if he indeed does stay away from the drama sections, however there is nothing really stopping him besides the trust you speak off. Yet I do question why you go against the input of the community. If you and Boxy trust him, than that's all fine and dandy, but this isn't just about the trust of bureaucrats, it's also ,and mainly, about the community trust and I frankly don't see much of that here. Put the community's interest above your own next time, plz.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::Wow... You's '''completely''' disregarded the input of the community... And yes I know it's not a vote, it's not a popularity contest. But when a sysop bid clearly lacks community support -- as was the case here -- you should fucking pay attention. Sheesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| I'm not pushing for him to demote himself, as I figure now he can just give it a go, but as I said. We need sysops who do ''everything'', not just the janitorial work (ex. Rooster) or drames (Like Conn used to be).--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :Of course, but until we find sysops who ''can'' do everything, we shouldn't be limiting ourselves to such a vision when there are willing users who want to take on some of the other workloads. This is the entire point of what we are trying to show you all. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 22:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Do sops do stuff? I was wondering crats, what did you feel the main difference between Red and Rory was? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Oh, you mean besides the fact that Rory is dopey and up to the creation of his bid he was still making mistakes at tasks that Red Hawk One has been doing flawlessly since we've known him? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 22:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Yeah. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::It was obviously rhetorical. If you want to delve any further into it, see Boxy's talk page. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 22:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| everyone shut the fuck up. pretty please? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 23:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :Only because you said please.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :No. You went against the wishes of the community... The No's outnumbered the Yes's, with several Abstentions. Most everyone who voted No had articulated reasons for saying No. Very few Yes votes had much substance. The community has every right to be dismayed. You may have dictatorially overruled the will of the community in this promotion, but you can't silence the dissent. No matter how much you wanna... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::It's not so much as silencing dissent as it is getting people to stop bitching because there's not much we can do at this point to change what happened. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Oh no, not you too? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::(edit conflicted)
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| :::Expressing our discontent is a valid and justifiable activity, SA. Even if there's nothing that can be done after the fact, if people are dismayed they ought to make their discontent known. And "shut the fuck up" coming from cyberbob of all people isn't a healthy or constructive way to deal with our (admittedly futile) discontent. And cyberbob's wonderfully mature and professional reply above just proves my point. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::*Not a vote. See the top of the page? Not a vote.
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| ::*Yeah you're right it was all me, totally 100% me... ohwait I'm not a bureaucrat and haven't spoken to DDR one-on-one in weeks.
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| ::*row row etc
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| ::~fartz~ {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::No, the "''substance''" that was expressed by the community was put into consideration. People like you only ever ''come'' to bring "''dissent''" onto the community and then you complain when you aren't treated as part of it. Your entire role on this wiki is to come once a month and complain about the status quo, god knows why you feel we don't listen to you. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 02:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::The fact that I have other things to do doesn't invalidate my arguments. But we all know that you kids think you're the most important people on the wiki... And that because you have nothing better to do than edit conflict me every time I try to reply, that makes you more important... There's a reason, though, that a lot of good users have walked away from both this wiki and the game in recent months... But you're too close to it to see it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Regardless, we run it, and by doing nothing less than a lot of hard work, so do as much work as we do and become a member of the community again or back the fuck off and watch it get run by those who keep it clean. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 02:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I count 9 Vouches, 8 Against, and 5 Abstains (or other comments). I know this isn't a vote, but to say that he had more against than for is incorrect. Just wanted to point that out. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Exactly. And we took all comments into consideration and made a decision. Wow, doesn't seem so totalitarian now does it? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 03:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::I count 12 Vouches, 9 Against, and 4 Abstains (or other comments) for Rorybob. Yup, does seem completely fair to me. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 12:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::Do you need me to quote the top of the page again? Shit, it even has it in nice big letters to make it easy to read for you. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 12:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::I'm fully aware of the "this aint a vote" thing. But, as I already said up there, I'd like it if the bureaucrats put the community's opinion above their own. I really don't see that here, correct me if I'm blind.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 12:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::You're aware that it isn't a vote, and you claim to not have a problem with that... then turn around and basically say you want it to be a vote. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 14:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::No Bob, Bureaucrats ''should'' overrule the community, when it's clear the user in question is using meat or sockpuppets (which is exactly the reason why I think this shouldn't be a vote) or something in that manner. I don't see that here. Basically, Community Trust > Bureaucratic Trust. {{unsigned|MisterGame|}}
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| :::::::::So now you're saying it should be a vote with a few exceptions - that really are rather rare anyway, so effectively it's a straight vote. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 15:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| :Look closely at the '''against''' and '''abstain''' "votes" a hell of a lot of them (mine included) would have been vouches if Sysop status did not automatically include the power to rule on vandalism and misconduct.... Perhaps its time to look again at making those judgements require a seperate vote so that when sysops say we were vouched as "trusted users" it can be taken seriously. Clearly Red is not trusted in those areas because we have nothing to go on.... Saying he will not be active there is nonsense, Grim said that in his promotion bid too by the way! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ===[[User:Rorybob|Rorybob]]===
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| {{vndl|Rorybob}}
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| I have actively contributed to the wiki and its community since July this year. In this time, I have played a part in setting up the [[Building Information Center]], and also started up the [[Lexicon:Survival|Survival Lexicon]]. I am an occasional visitor of [[DS]], and am familiar with the process of [[A/D|Deletions]]. I believe I have had no major disagreements on the wiki with another member.
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| I am currently unmerging locations pages and updating all [[:Category:Auto Repair Shops|Auto Repair Shop]] and [[:Category:Factories|Factory]] pages with their corresponding [[:Category:Building Danger Levels|Danger Reports]] in the process of updating the [[Template:Trps|TRP template]].
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| What say you, denizens?
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| --{{User:Rorybob/Sig}} 12:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - Great guy, needs more edits. You've done 500 in two months, but 1000 takes you back to 2008. More time in the community. 1 month, 2 months? Just to bring it up to 1000 recent edits.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 12:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Can't believe I am doing this. But I like you, and some of the work you've been doing demonstrates that you know how to use the wiki. This is a very weak vouch though, only because if you kept this up for another month and came back you'd have my full support. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 12:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' Rory has done good grunt work, asked questions when he's stuck, revived the lexicon and thought the [[Monroeville Many]] were historical.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' No. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 13:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''ROSIE O'DONNELL SIZED AGAINST''' WHO THE FUCKING MOTHERFUCK ARE YOU? GTFO WITH THIS FAGGOTRY.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *<s> Not yet my good sir. But keep up the outstanding work!--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 14:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)</s> Fuck it he does good work anyway. Horde vote enhanced amirite --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 01:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *:Ubrite. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}22:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' Seems to have done a lot of work towards making the wiki better. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 15:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - You are a good user and a positive force. But you need more experience. Take the [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions#Unmerged_location_pages|unmerged locations]] you cited. They aren't actually finished yet. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Schandua_Auto_Repair&diff=1589183&oldid=1588481 For] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Takle_Auto_Repair&diff=1589182&oldid=1588482 example]. I'm not blaming you, because you probably didn't know about the extra coding needed, categories to add, etc., but this does demonstrate you need more time to learn the wiki, which I'm confident you will. Keep up the good work!--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 17:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| <s>*'''Against''' I'd like to hear some more of your work first. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 17:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)</s>
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| *'''Vouch''' - Hey, why not {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 20:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - I think this dude is pretty level-headed and "well-intentioned", I definitely like the idea of him being a sysop now or in the future. --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 21:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Seems like the right material. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 21:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - I've never met him and know almost nothing about him, and am therefore unqualified to judge his worth as a sysop candidate. He can't really be that active if I've never run across him once, though.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - I haven't been around the wiki for long, but I'm decently aware of most of the other sysops in general, yet only vaguely aware of him. The bit I've seen is okay, but not nearly enough to base a decision on. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Abstain''' - Turns into a vouch when the mudkip gets back in your sig. But really, as Yonnua's bid, more experience blabla, I'll vouch in another month if you keep doing good work and run again. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 22:34, 29 October 2009 (BST)
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| *:'''Re:''' It's still there on /sig. :P {{User:Rorybob/sig}}22:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC) <-- See?
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| *'''Vouch''' - Excellent janitorial type. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' but only because I have not seen you active in any of the areas that require you to deal with drama (or make sound, policy based decisions) Show your mettle there and it will be a solid vouch from me. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 23:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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| :[[A/M]] and the like? I see. It shall be done at some point in the near future. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}00:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| ::[[A/M]], [[A/VB]], [[A/A]]. The three drama capitals of Wikonia.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 00:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| :::exactly those types of page. A sysop is a janitor and you seem to have all the needed skills but I don't recall seeing any presence in the area's that are contentious. Obviously you can't "rule" but making you opinion known helps us judge if you are right for the parts of the sysop role that call for you to be trusted in every sense. Keep up the good work though... someone has too :) --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - As Rooster --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 01:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - As Honestmistake, become a little more active in those areas and i will change my vote. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 04:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - I've seen some of your input, and it's been sound thus far. Keep up the work and I think you'll make a great sysop. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 05:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''As Iscariot''' - once he makes a decision. This guy seems pleasant enough but will probs just sheep vote... {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *:I agree, Rorybob is clearly the sheep here. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *::Okay so i could ignore you but thats boring, pretend that i didn't notice your sarcasm - always good for a laugh but you play the sarcasm card so often that even i'm starting to tire of it or i could point out that your comment is entirely irrelevant to what i wrote and that my as iscariot vote could have been an as anyonewhohasnt voted yet vote but you know that already too so i'm not left with too many options. I guess i'll just go with unedited wall of text and see what happens. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *:::So... That hasn't been your usual strategy for the past 2 years? Oh... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 09:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *::::God no. 9/10 i'd go with pretending to not notice sarcasm. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *:::::Meant unedited rants. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 09:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *::::::Yeah i know, i just think they aren't one of my more used tactics. From time to thyme to be sure, but not that often. Wheres bob gone? {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *:::::::...? Idon'geddit. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}12:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - i strongly believe rorybob will not misuse the tools that come with sysophood. He is OK in my book for promotion --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 16:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Vouch''' - Rorybob has proven a capable and friendly editor, who has selflessly volunteered for a majority of the recent tasks designed to better the wiki.--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - As Honestmistake --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''Against''' - You don't need extra buttons to do what you do. You don't need extra buttons to improve the wiki. I don't want you to have extra buttons because I have no idea of how you're going to act when you get on A/VB or A/M. This notion that people who implement new systems and templates on the wiki will make good sysops is simply idiotic, they either make a mess of rulings or they just stick their heads in the sand and ignore these pages even when they are required. We already have two drama adverse sysops simply taking up space on the roster, I don't want more that will leave ruling in the hands of a small group. We need sysops that can rule based on understanding this community, its precedents and policies. They can then be taught to move/delete/restore pages far quicker than we can teach you what you need to know about vandalism, misconduct and good faith. Also, messing up a move isn't serious, causing a ruling to go the wrong way because you want to be nice can have much more serious consequences for this community. Additionally this user has previously decided that his own opinions and perceptions are all he needs to go around changing stuff for other groups. I have doubts about his ability to remain impartial. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:In my opinion, the majority of those that put themselves up for sysop don't need the tools that come with the post, nor do they have much experience in A/VB or A/M. From looking at the Successful bid history, I can only see [[UdWiki:Administration/Promotions/Jedaz|Jedaz]] needed the "buttons". (Although the reference to needing the Move function is very slight, it is the only mention of needing sysop tools I have seen reading through the old bids.)
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| *:I am also slightly confused by the comment "This notion that people who implement new systems and templates on the wiki will make good sysops is simply idiotic", as leadership is one of the criterion for sysophood, something which implementing new systems requires. I also found a [[UdWiki:Administration/Promotions/Swiers|quote from Vista]](A former Crat.): "...the position of a sysop is that of a glorified janitor." You may well say it's idiotic, but that notion seems to have stayed for at least two years.
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| *:In response to the last statement, I was in the wrong. If I were to find something on the wiki that I disagree with, I would now check around and try to find out about the oddity. I suppose there is no-one I can thank for that trait than you, Iscariot. But I might mention Vista once again, who (in the same speech) said this: "The only place where a small amount of personal judgment is possible is the vandal banning page."
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| *:-{{User:Rorybob/Sig}}19:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *::At least you, unlike the other one are actively engaging criticism rather than burying your head in the sand. You're not seeing though the difference between a good programmer and a good community leader. Take the recent Nubis misconduct case, given the magnitude of that case we ''needed'' every sysop to participate and state their judgement and opinions about it, it's part of the responsibility of being a sysop. The Rooster didn't, even when reminded. The Rooster is an excellent programmer but he is a bad sysop. Sometime you ''have'' to go into the drama for the good of the community, even if all you're going to do is post 5 paragraphs of reasoning, opinion and precedent that boils down you "Yep, I agree". I don't know how you'd do this because I've never seen you in any drama or attempting to create policy or bring forth relevant precedent. I don't want you getting buttons on the basis that you've done some helpful templates and watch you completely mess up user's vandal cases, misconduct case etc. for eight months until I can get rid of you. ''You'' really have to make the effort here to prove as best you can that you'd be able to cope with this to the community ''before'' you get the buttons. To be fair, I don't think you'd break the wiki if given move powers, but I'm not sure that you'd make the right decisions in places like VB or Misconduct. You don't need the buttons to continue your good work, and your use of the admin pages (to get emptied combined location pages deleted say) won't actually change as you can't do these actions yourself according to policy due to the need for oversight. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *:::Truly told, I don't have any of the experience you deem necessary. I will, therefore, try and immerse myself in Misbantration, or whatever shortening of the three pages names tickles your fancy. In all honesty, I have pretty much no idea how arbitration works and have actively avoided it before now, prefering to stick with what I know. But, seeing as I want to be a sysop, I need to learn how that and the other misconduct pages work. So, in short "I agree." {{User:Rorybob/Sig/1|19:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)}}
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| ::::Arbitration isn't a "misconduct" type of page... It doesn't often work and is mostly a tool for people to to persue their petty vendetta. Looking to reform it back to a useful community page on the otherhand would be well worth it if successful!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 19:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''no''' wow july huh? come back when you done anything i've noticed.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 17:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *'''against''' -- In the past I have generally voted against people who nominate themselves. All the candidates I've ever voted for had somebody else nominate him/her. I sense a pattern... [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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| The nomination has ended, and Boxy and I have talked about Rorybob's bid. First off, I'm going to say that neither I nor Boxy have any compunction with promoting hard-working users who don't deal with drama, we've had plenty of fine examples to demonstrate that such users make good ops, and even past our time, if there was anything I would have stay in the wiki's administration culture, it would be that mentality.
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| More to the point, Rory is an example of one of these users, and oneday, personally, I would like to see him as an op. But at the moment, he's a little bit rusty with the going-ons and falls a little short of op material, and personally, Boxy and I would like to see an extension of his great community work before he is promoted. Keep it up, bud, and I think you'll become an op soon. '''Rejected''', but try again in a month or two. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 09:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ===[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]]===
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| '''Promoted''' and [[UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/Rosslessness (3)|archived]]. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 13:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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| ==Archived Promotions==
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| *[[:Category:Promotions Candidacies|Complete list of Promotion Requests]]
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| *[[:Category:Successful Promotions Candidacies|Successful Promotions Candidacies]]
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| *[[:Category:Unsuccessful Promotions Candidacies|Unsuccessful Promotions Candidacies]]
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| *[[:Category:Unaccepted Nominations|Unaccepted Nominations]]
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| *[[:Category:Withdrawn Promotions Candidacies|Withdrawn Promotions Candidacies]]
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