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Ultimatum

The Necrotech Assassins are a large presence in Crowbank. As you appear to be the areas central survivor authority, the NTA has opened communications with you to discuss the future of the suburb. It feels a shame that having just been retaken, it should be plunged in to a war that could compromise its delicate state. Therefore, I have for you an ultimatum. We feel that it is unfair that your group has been shunned from Malton after all it has done, and so we are willing to offer you an alliance. As the recent Malton Uprising declared war on you under the premise that you allow three alts per your organization, I would allow some of your members to enter the NTA, and continue their regular actions as members of the DEM. This would allow you to appear to have changed, yet also continue as you are. It would also mean that you would be lent support from our agents, who would also cease their current murders on members of your groups. As my men are covert, you shall not discover who is actually working for me. The only way to cease the attacks will be to form an alliance. I also wish for a full support accord to be agreed, that we can work together in any large-scale battles in the future. These are my terms. If you do not Respond and accept the alliance before new years day, 3 days from now, then I shall reveal the full extent of my force, and declare war on the DEM. The hidden NTA agents, and those who have yet to begin PKing, will all be given the DEM as a focus, and will be sent en masse to eliminate all life in the Crowbank area. This will remain as a constant until you surrender, and submit unconditionally. However, if you do choose to form an alleigance, we shall work on the conditions fairly. I wait for your response. --Necrotech Officer of Defense, Alexander Koponen 16:44, 28 December 2008 (BST)

Attacks on Bigger Mortice members.

Just to point out that our only enemies are Dragonhead. We are not pkers as such. We kill members of Dragonhead because of their crimes against us, and their crimes against the Zog of Marrinium.

All other players and groups are safe. We deem it a great shame that Dragonhead seem unable to fight their own battles. Signed: Bigger Mortice.--Zombiek 22:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

The Great Suburb Group Massacre

	Group Confirmed.
	This group was confirmed active. Thank you for your reply.

Thanks! --Pedentic 03:40, 31 July 2008 (BST)

This group is active.--FT ^MCI 20:30, 31 July 2008 (BST)

What's with the anti-DEM sentiment?

I am a bystander. I have never been in a group, but I have seen the DEM around. Now, I am seeing a lot of really violent and enthusiastic anti-DEM sentiment around, and I don't really understand, so I will ask you. Why do people hate you so? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orionriver (talk • contribs) 18:47, September 11, 2008.

Various reasons. Some people don't like how some of our groups operate, some people don't like our policies, some people don't like our tools, some people think we're arrogant, and some people have simply heard a lot of crap about us that isn't true.--William Told 04:35, 12 September 2008 (BST)

Don't forget the respraying of barricade info with recruitment spam and insults! Oh, and this of course: "Some people don't like how some of our groups operate, some people don't like our policies, some people don't like our tools, some people think we're arrogant" --ScouterTX 22:59, 12 September 2008 (BST)

Our folks are lectured never to spray over useful tags or other groups' messages, and it's been my experience that most don't do so. Usually when someone finds their tags have been sprayed over with a DEM recruitment message, the useful tag had been replaced by something inane (P00tie wuz heer, l0lz0rz) before our team tagged it. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 00:04, 13 September 2008 (BST)

I'd like to point out that there is no way for any DEM member to prove that the Revive/Entry point was sprayed before they sprayed it.--Janine 14:11, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Agreed. Just as there is also no way for our accusers to prove any DEM member maliciously sprayed over a useful tag. So it's a push. Except lately, nothing's a push, is it? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 17:55, 13 September 2008 (BST)

But when you a wall with "Bill was here" sprayed on it. You automatically suspect Bill, not John. And the DEM works in assigned areas where they should know where the vital entry and revive points are. So shouldn't any DEM member who comes across such blind spraying, quickly spray it over with the correct message? It is common sense after all.--Janine 18:10, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Lots of assumptions in the mix there: that all DEM work in assigned areas (they don't), that all DEM would intuitively know what the "correct" message would be -- that there is a "correct" message in anything but a completely subjective sense -- and even that all DEM have common sense. If you're speaking of a specific suburb or a specific DEM crew or a specific building or instance, by all means give us some details and we'll be happy to take it up with the DEMs in that area who may or may not be responsible. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 19:04, 13 September 2008 (BST)

So you're saying that the ENTIRE DEM is controlled by the same command structure and that the DEM doesn't work in the suburbs it claims to be working in?--Janine 02:43, 15 September 2008 (BST)

Uh, no, I'm afraid I don't see where you're getting that at all. But it doesn't cost me anything but a little of my time to take your grievance to the appropriate command person, once I figure out what suburb/building you're talking about. I'm not in business to piss off pro-survivors, so if our people are doing something they shouldn't be, and thereby making people mad at "the DEM," I have an interest in helping to stop it. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 06:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)

I hope that answers your question. ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by William Told (talk • contribs) 12:15, September 14, 2008.

@ Orianriver: William Told's answer up top pretty much covers it. Any further comments in this thread are pretty much just an expansion of his last point. --Jen 21:44, 14 September 2008 (BST)

One reason may be the Uniform Barricading Policy,the policy that has killed thousands of survivors and wasted numerous AP,plus the policy was anti-newbie,which has contributed to the HUGE amount people leaving the game and new players rejecting the game since they can't find a place to rest without being killed.And this is only part of the many reasons people hate the DEM.They also support the use of bots.(which they have admitted to.) No wonder anti-DEM sentiment exists.--Gamestriker4 23:37, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Go have a look at the literally hundreds of players that use the UBP and advocate for it. The UBP is designed to allow new players entry into resource buildings. However it is clear you have no idea what the UBP is who supports it or how it's used so I guess I'll just let you go about your daily dose of the wiki.--Kristi of the Dead 08:22, 25 October 2008 (BST)

I've read the page plenty of times Kristi.I didn't ask you if people support the UBP.Just cause hundred of people support something doesn't mean I should.Oh and here is evidence of the DEM's corruption.--Gamestriker4 21:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Clearly you have no idea what you've read if you read it hundreds of times. Perhaps you should read it 200. The whole point of the UBP is to make sure new survivors can find a place to rest a night. Otherwise every group in the game that claims this police department or that one would barricade it to EHB (Ex. Heavily Barricaded in case you didn't know). Even more simply your expertise in the game isn't such that you are able to decide why HUGE amounts of players are leaving the game. Further you fail at rickroll.--Kristi of the Dead 22:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You realized you just commited vandalism by erasing my comment in the "Truth" section.--Gamestriker4 01:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, why don't you toddle off and report her to A/VB, see how far that gets you? (Hint: nowhere. This isn't a community page.) -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 02:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Kristi,if the UBP is designed to let noobs in,THEN WHAT THE HELL IS WITH ALL THE EHB BUILDINGS?--Gamestriker4 12:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

While it's nice to have VSB resource buildings for new players to enter as well as entry points for freerunning access not every building in the game can be VSB. And aside from that if you look more closely at the UBP(as you claim to have done) you will see that it is intended as a default for suburbs that don't have a customized barricade policy posted for their own suburb. So I'll say it again more clearly because it seems you are new and don't understand the wiki or something. The UBP is only used in suburbs where there isn't a posted customized barricade plane already. More simply: Don't like the UBP? Get together with local groups in all 100 suburbs and come up with an updated barricade plan for every suburb. In other words quit complaining about the UBP and actually put some effort into the survivor cause and help design barricade plans so we don't have to use the UBP.--Kristi of the Dead 12:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Krisit,I've been here for almost 3 years,I am a loyal survivor and I've put more than enough effort into the survivor cause and what's a barricade plane?--Gamestriker4 01:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

a typo. BTW what's a Krisit? If you've been here for 3 years and put more than enough effort in the cause then you need to STFU about the UBP. Simply put quit crying about barricade policies and come up with some of your own. I mean it's obvious your effort stops at blabbing your own opinion I mean 3 years and you don't know what vandalism is on the wiki? So once again either make your own barricade plans for suburbs you feel are too tightly barricaded and get others to follow it or shut the fuck up.--Kristi of the Dead 03:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Truth

	Seeds of Fail
	This user or group thinks that the Malton Uprising is going to fail, and that Secruss and Alphy should just keel over and die already.Seriously.

{{UprisingFail}} --Blanemcc 10:04, 14 September 2008 (BST)

Yep pretty much the biggest pile of fail I've seen in some time. Too many leaders not enough followers. I mean as john lennon once said " you can't build a future on hate" and in this case ignorance isn't a very good base for a future either.--Kristi of the Dead 03:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The Last Stand

Hello i am a member of the group The Last Stand, where a small group that has been in the game for little over 3 years, and i would like to ask you if you would be willing to allow us to ally our selves with you, i have just learned about the evil intent of the DA and the MU, and have been working with Lemonhead and the PDA for about a year or 2 in the attempt to protect our burb from the zombie infestation, again i would like to ask to form an alliance with your group, thank you for your time and please consider us Xig2

Just an idea

No idea where else to post this idea, but here it is. The DEM has most of the major needs of Malton covered. Except for one. Engineers. There is no group in all of Malton that comes into a suburb, builds barricades, sets up and maintains generators and radio transmitters and reports the status of their suburb. A corps of engineers paired with a military operation could more quickly bring a suburb from dark and ruined to barricaded and lit. The problem is that it lacks to glamour of shooting or revivifying zombies of curing the sick and wounded. That's also the reason why the MCI is the least popular group in the DEM. So, i think it's a good idea, but it probably wouldn't take off. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stilwell (talk • contribs) 16:55, September 27, 2008.

No. Garbage disposal is more important than engineers. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)

That's kind of the MFD's purview, perhaps minus the transmitters. The idea has been floated around the DEM before, especially right after the ruin updates. Major stumbling block, besides the fact that it lessens perceived MFD responsibility, was the utter lack of XP available to folks who do nothing but repair, cade, and power, IIRC. But an independent (i.e., not DEM) group of engineers could be a fun RP thing. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 02:04, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Over 450?

At a stat page count a while ago, you had little over 300 members: Malton Police Department 90 Malton Fire Department 60 Malton Civil Defense Unit 47 Malton Forensics Unit 42 Malton Emergency Medical Service 30 Malton Marshals 19 Axes High 21 A more up to date one puts you at under 300, so unless a third of you are not wearing tags, you should edit that 'over 450 members' out, along with the 'gaining members every day' as according to those counts, you're losing members. Just saying. --Aldaris 09:53, 3 October 2008 (BST)

thanks for bringing that to our attention we'll get right on that--Kristi of the Dead 10:31, 3 October 2008 (BST)

Current counts puts us at 314.GeraldThompson 22:35, 10 October 2008 (BST)

A city wide problem

Hello, I'm Soldier UDW leader of the Special Zombie Extermination Squad. I appreciate the size and strength of the DEM, I wish my group is strong as yours. What I'm here for is because the zombies are beginning to overrun the survivors and me and my entire group is going to take part of the Malton Uprising. If you have any updates or word around the city, tell me about it. I will provide some use.

-- Soldier 01:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

you're joining the malton uprising? That's not really something the DEM supports :). And I thought it had desolved... In any event feel free to stop by our forums over on brainstock and we'll get you hooked up with ally forum access. Then perhaps we could work more closely together.--Kristi of the Dead 13:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Uh,Soldier,you realize that the purpose of the Malton Uprising is to kill DEM members.--Gamestriker4 12:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

How do I clear myself from the rogues gallery?

I was added for killing a GKer who was literally going to ever corner of Caiger Mall offing generators. Once I killed him I informed everyone in the building that he was a GKer and deserved it. I do not think that helping insure high search rates is a crime. How can I clear myself of this? http://www.ud-malton.info/rg/i/1049109 --Xan2020 04:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Xan. The RG forum has a thread for appeals such as the one you describe. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 19:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I filed my appeal. I just hope it goes over well.--Xan2020 21:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The Great Radio Group Massacre

	Group Confirmed.
	This frequency was confirmed active. Thank you for your reply.

I know this is a random request, but it's for all groups regardless of size.

-- Linkthewindow  Talk  22:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told the last guys... Please contact us by forum in the future. It's a total fluke that I'm seeing this right now, I almost missed the notice about the cleanup on the main page. Yes, though, we are still here.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 01:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Aww, I would have swung by the forums after a week or two. Or maybe I could have impersonated y'all instead, and saved you the trouble... ;) --Jen 03:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Anyway we can't use forums as it sets a double standard, and will thus mean that all groups will want to be contacted that way. Sorry :(. Linkthewindow  Talk  07:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Great Suburb Group Massacre, 2009

	Group Confirmed.
	This group was confirmed active. Thank you for your reply.

Occasionally, general checks are done of group activity. This may seem like a stupid question, but it's for all groups, regardless of size. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, this is not actually a group, but an organizational construct of member groups and strategic partners, but: yes, we are active. - Stephen Krantz 17:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Good enough for me! Linkthewindow  Talk  22:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! - Stephen Krantz 11:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I wonder what would have happened if you hadn't confirmed... Would it had mattered that we asked each DEM group and sub-group separately? I see redundancy in these queries, Linky! Mayhap we should stick to asking groups if they are active... less polytiks to consider.(The preceeding statement was made in jest) --YoHoho^Talk 15:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Eh, sorry - was that a question? - Stephen Krantz 16:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I was just wondering what would have been done if no one had confirmed that the DEM was active, just the groups within it.--YoHoho^Talk 23:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, we can try next time, can't we? - Stephen Krantz 06:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure! It can be a game. Heads or tails: Do DEM groups have to put all of their tags onto the suburb pages or just some? =P --YoHoho^Talk 15:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that's up to the groups to decide. - Stephen Krantz 16:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Rhetorical question, Krantz. *pats* --YoHoho^Talk 16:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. You did know I'm not the brightest, right? - Stephen Krantz 16:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that... lets just call you focused on the literal. --YoHoho^Talk 17:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)