Suggestion:20081105 Flak Jacket Update

20081105 Flak Jacket Update

Kamikazie-Bunny 23:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion type
Improvement

Suggestion scope
Those who wear flak jackets.

Suggestion description
As a response to the new Flesh Rot update I'm suggesting an update to the Flak Jacket...

• Flak Jackets now have the equivalent of 100HP.
• The damage they reduce is now subtracted from their 'health' (i.e. shotgun=2, pistol=1).
• A player wearing a flack jacket cannot see its health, however if it has 50HP or less it has the prefix "a damaged" and if it has 25 or below it has the prefix "a badly damaged".
• When a Flak jacket has 0Hp or below it is automatically discarded with the flavour text "your flak jacket is ruined and falls apart".

The health of a flak jacket will degrade even if you get shot as a zombie with flesh rot (normally armour is worn over the skin!).

Voting Section

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Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. # justification ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. - Keep - How it should be! - Kamikazie-Bunny 23:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
2. Keep/Change - You need to specify how flak jackets are put on once the current one is destroyed, if an additional one is in the inventory. -- Galaxy125 01:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
3. Keep - Flak jackets aren't very important as they only protect from PKers. Making them wear out isn't going to be a big change, while making a whole lot of sense. --Midianian ^{Big Brother Diary Room: [501,06]} 01:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
4. KeepI personally think this gives the flak jacket a good set purpose and gives the item more value because of the need to replace it. I like it. (which makes me wish even more that i didn't throw away that flak jacket as a beginner!) -Yungblood 9:30m, November 5, 2008 (EST)
5. Keep/Change - One of the better ideas I've seen. But make it so survivors can only have 1 in the inventory at a time, or else that would make it so that survivors couldn't be killed. Also, maybe a time limit should be added, just so survivors wouldn't have it on ALL the time. -- Ωmega360 ^T 02:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
6. Keep - I like it.--Studoku ^W! 03:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
7. Keep - Cool Idea. They shouldn't last for ever and this fixes it. Nice suggestion. Legion8 04:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
8. Keep - As the other voters. Logical and makes sense. Linkthewindow ^Talk 05:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
9. Keep - Great idea and you really used developing suggestions to perfect it without overdoing it on the complexity, bravo! --xoxo 05:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
10. keep because!--Honestmistake 08:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
11. Keep – With the advent of Flesh Rot, this no longer harms dedicated zombies, and thus gets my vote. Will make PDs more worthwhile for higher-level survivors. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 10:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
12. Keep - If this had come before Flesh Rot I'd have voted to kill, as said above, zombies should be harder to kill. The only way to toughen them up used to be an 'invincible' flak jacket, the need for this is gone. I think the 100HP for the flak jacket is high enough too, that's 100 pistol shots or 50 shotguns to the chest which is quite an amount - I wish I had a flak jacket like that... --TouchingVirus 10:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
13. Keep - Best. Suggestion. Evar. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
14. - Keep - Still be rare as hell to lose for the average survivor (I haven't eaten lead in a long while) so why not.--G-Man 12:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
15. Keep - *sigh* Alas, I rather liked having infinite flak jackets. But, yeah. Now that zombies have flesh rot, there's no longer any reason to oppose this very sensible change. --Jen 20:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
16. Keep - Part of me wants to say no, but the PKer in me screams, "Yes!" --William Told 02:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
17. Keep - Its dupey but I think its good. And screw these 'lower level zombies' everyones trying to protect. A zombie without flesh rot isn't a true zombie in my opinion ;) I think since any zombie can get flesh rot, I feel flak jackets should, yes, be modified for more of a human use. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
18. Keep - I like this idea, logically its what flak jackets do, they deteriorate the only difference is, is that in real life they deteriorate a heck of a lot faster than that. I'd add a side suggestion to this that flak jackets should only automatically protect people from getting shot and for melee/bite attacks they should only help a certain percentage of the time. My reasoning for this is that when people shoot a gun they am for body, where as a melee attack usually comes from all directions. This added suggestion would get rid of a lot of the kill votes as most of them are voting kill because it helps PKers. User:Wounded Coyote 2:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
19. Keep/Change Love the idea but 100 Hp seems to be TOO much. I'd say make it 50 Hp. Chaplain Drakon Macar 23:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
20. Keep/Undupe Logical, and does not count as a dupe because of the change in circumstances (Flesh Rot) --Explodey 11:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - although this is a great idea I dont like the idea that my dedicated zombie (who I dont spread his name about) can always have the same protection as a flack jacket but my survivor will have to deal with it wearing out. --Lt.G Deathnut | TheStayPuftMan 00:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
2. Kill - make flak jackets finite? meh... Well, you do trade it off by making it much more powerfull (current infinite flak jacket gives virtual 10hp for not-bb survivor and 15hp for bb-survivor), but i'm not convinced --~~~~ [talk] 11:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

   • Note: I am sure these figures are wrong, --Honestmistake 14:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)Pistols do 4 damage to a vest wearer meaning a pistol only kill will require 13 shots rather than 10 to kill a survivor or 15 shots rather than 12 to kill a body builder. --Honestmistake 14:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

   learn multiplication, mistake --~~~~ [talk] 20:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

   I learned it in school and while it is true that a flack vest will leave you with 10 HP instead of being dead if they shoot hit exactly 10 times that still doesn't explain where you got 15 from... --Honestmistake 09:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

3. Kill - Solely on the basis of it encourages PKing, which is not supposed to happen. Things are bad enough with PKers as it is, and the Flesh Rot actually made that situation worse. If PKing can somehow be contained, I would support this suggestion, but really, it just keeps getting worse, and this being implemented wouldn't reverse that.--Kolechovski 20:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
4. Kill - The intent is to make it harder on low level zombies? Fuck that. How about actually suggesting something interesting instead of nerfing newbies who already have a hard enough time.--Karek^maps?! 21:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
5. Kill - Makes it significantly more difficult for newbie zombies to kill survivors. --ZsL 23:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
6. Kill - I like falk jackets the way they work now. --JaredV 20:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
7. Kill - Flak jackets work just fine the way they are. Don't nerf them just because zeds got a new skill.Rocky Ford 05:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
8. Kill - As Rocky Ford. Also, it's tedious enough getting one the first time. I don't want to have to keep getting them over and over again. --Ms.Panes 07:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
9. Kill - As above. This isn't an improvement at all. --Private Mark 02:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
10. Kill - Because I haven't played in awhile, so I didn't know that Flesh Rot was only available after brain rot. Wow, completely changes everything.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 12:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
11. Kill I like my flak jacket! I... don't like this suggestion.--Rachel Akebre 07:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
12. Kill - Don't fix what is not broken, the flack jackets do not need to be changed. --Michaleson ^CAPD 17:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
13. Kill - Unnecessary. Nerfs Dual Nature players who find themselves in zombie form for extended periods of time.--Jiangyingzi 22:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Kill - Isn't this is Suggestion D&DNots? --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}17:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
2. Remember how Crufixs are flavor items? Well, Flesh Skin is a...flavor skill. Besides, do you honestly want to make it harder for harmans to survive an assault by Death Cultists and PKers?--ShadowScope^{'the true enemy'} 23:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

   Er...I just realized I suggested the exact same thing, before Flesh Rot was implemented: Have degenerating flak jackets, and have a skill zombies can pick up that counts as an infinite flak jacket. The only difference was that you do not need Brain Rot in order to buy the Flak Jacket Skill. I don't really see that as a viable difference, so I'll vote Dupe...even though, you know...er...I should have voted Keep. And I don't think other people will agree with me.--ShadowScope^{'the true enemy'} 23:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

3. Kill - I like the way it works nowdays. Janjones 12:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
4. SpamThis is incredibly stupid.--Gamestriker4 01:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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