Suggestion:20090409 NT Ruins Ruin Rotter Revives

20090409 NT Ruins Ruin Rotter Revives

Stepdown 19:51, 9 April 2009 (BST)

Suggestion type
Improvement - Buildings

Suggestion scope
Brain rotted zombies inside ruined NT buildings

Suggestion description
You are inside a ruined NT Building. The NecroTech logo is set in the wall behind the front desk, and doors open onto powered-down computer rooms and laboratories. The laboratories have been ruined, with broken equipment smashed to the floor. A thin layer of dust covers the debris. The floor is flecked with dried blood.

At the moment simply installing a generator in a ruined NT building allows you to revive a brain rotted zombie. I would suggest that a powered NT building would also need to have the laboratories and equipment required to revive a rotter in tact as well as a power source, it would seem more believable to me that you would need to repair the building before you would be able to revive a zombie.

My suggestion is that zombies with brain rot cannot be revived within a ruined NT building.

Voting Section

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Keep Votes

1. Keep - It is currently nearly impossible for zombies to hold an NT building due to combat reviving. This change would force humans to fight the rotters rather than revive if they want an NT building back. --M4rduK 20:19, 9 April 2009 (BST)
2. Keep - Equipment functioning in a ruined building never made any sense anyways. --Johnny Bass 20:44, 9 April 2009 (BST)
3. Keep - As Johnny Bass. --Papa Moloch 20:59, 9 April 2009 (BST)
4. Keep - The title is a rather good alliteration. The suggestion attached to it isn't bad either. -- Cheese 21:22, 9 April 2009 (BST)
5. Keep - It is strongly recommended that voters justify their vote. Keywords = "Strongly" "Recommend"--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 21:30, 9 April 2009 (BST)

   Actually, it says "Votes that do not have reasoning behind them are invalid. You MUST justify your vote." (Right below) "As above" is a pretty slick deal, though. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 00:04, 10 April 2009 (BST)

   Number five of the "Advice to Voters" section: "It is strongly recommended that voters (especially in the kill/spam sections) justify their vote to help others understand the reason they disagree. Feedback helps new suggesters get a feel for what the community does and does not want included in Urban Dead, and a deeper understanding of the balance needed for a workable suggestion." It's a common contradiction in the guidelines, which is one reason why I rarely justify my votes. I've been here for quite some time now, I know a few ways around this system. :) --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 01:11, 10 April 2009 (BST)

   Advice to voters, i.e. individual users, does not override the basic rules of the process. Quoting from the voting rules template to the right of your vote: "Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped." Keyword: must, as in required. You may feel free to view justification as a voluntary process, and any user may chose not to provide one, but the operative line in the voting rules template will still apply: "Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user." -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:28, 10 April 2009 (BST)

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

1. Keep - Shy author finally votes --Stepdown 23:34, 9 April 2009 (BST)
2. Keep - Tired of magic kill button survivors get in powered NTs. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 00:04, 10 April 2009 (BST)
3. Keep - It nerfs nothing (survivors can still kill zombies how Kevan intended), yet removes an annoyance to those that wish to play as a zombie. --Roorgh 00:33, 10 April 2009 (BST)
4. Keep - Whaaaat? I thought this was already the case. Now I must make it happen! >=[ D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) OFFLINE 02:56, 10 April 2009 (BST)
5. Keep - Fair and balanced. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:28, 10 April 2009 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill with fire I am strongly against any type of suggestion that makes brainrot even easier. If you don't want to be revived then purchase the rot and keep clear from NT's. It honestly isn't that hard.--Thadeous Oakley 20:02, 9 April 2009 (BST)
2. Kill Nope not needed. --mo ヽ(´ー｀)ﾉ ^{MCM MOB DB} 20:18, 9 April 2009 (BST)
3. Kill As Oakley -- Conner Martel 20:54, 9 April 2009 (BST)
4. Kill - As I explained on DS, I don't think this would be more believable than the current situation. Also, I like being Combat Revived in ruined NTs. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 21:48, 9 April 2009 (BST)
5. grudging kill While I do so hate my rotter being revived i feel this is pretty harsh on those folk who rotter revives were invented for (rotters who change their mind) at most it should be a chance the revive fails rather than a blanket ban. In any event I still find actual combat revives while trying to clear the building to be the real problem!--Honestmistake 23:18, 9 April 2009 (BST)
6. Kill with fire - per the other kill voters, especially Thad and Mid. Linkthewindow  Talk  00:02, 10 April 2009 (BST)
7. Kill - It's hard enough now to keep a rot revive point open, plus this little loophole makes a zombie end-game almost impossible -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:04 10 April 2009 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

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