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The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010?

What do you say? It's been almost a year since the last one, and although we still have a few weeks left in 2009, I don't see why we can't get it done by the end of the year. Think of it as a wiki-wide resolution. Is anyone in favor of another activity check starting within the next week or so?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 05:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it so necessary just now, but I'd help out. --

 

 

 

 

05:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I had talked briefly with Rooster about this and felt that maybe the 2nd week of January would be better since people are likely not to be checking the wiki regularly (if at all) right now due to the holidays and finals and all that jazz. But yes, it is overdue--as is a Radio Frequency Massacre. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 06:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm more up for the timing that Maverick and Iscariot mentioned. It's best to wait until after the New Year before starting. But I'm definitely in favor of another one, and we could probably roll the Radio Frequency Massacre into the same operation...if the group doesn't acknowledge, we can just zap any frequencies they have as well. —Aichon— 11:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's all in hand. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And in fairness should only take 3 weeks. Pitneybank first time around had 43 groups, now its got 8. Which reminds me, I need to go ask the MPD if their suburb listings are accurate. Last DEM group to do. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. These aren't so necessary anymore, it was the initial one that did the job. --

 

 

 

 

11:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I want a new sexy template though. The inactive ones Link did for top of pages is fine, but we want something 2010ish for the actual activity check. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Okays --

 

 

 

 

11:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

So maybe start first week of January?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 00:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Second! --

 

 

 

 

01:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

If DDR's dead-set on starting on the second week, I have no issue with that either. :P —Aichon— 01:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I think he means seconded. I could be wrong.--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 02:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing he meant "seconded" as well, but I was making an attempt at a tongue-in-cheek comment. It seems I'm too tired at the moment to do so very well. —Aichon— 02:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

It's okay Aichon; we're all tired. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry guys :( I meant the second week. --

 

 

 

 

06:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Wiki bug?

Anyone else see two misplaced [edit] symbols under the "Become a fan" section of Malton Medical Staff? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope, just you. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 04:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The section isn't labeled that, but I see them as well. I'm guessing it might be related to their use of images somehow, but am now sure. —Aichon— 05:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a common problem with images aligned to the right, so I'm not sure why it's happening with some people when all the images are on the left, it may be the group template, I can't tell cause I can't see it an I can't find a Become a Fan section. --

 

 

 

 

06:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

It's actually this section. And there's at least one image aligned on the right there. —Aichon— 06:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a buildup from the section two above that one, because of that long image alongside it, I presume. --

 

 

 

 

07:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Solution ideas, anyone? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 15:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

A few ideas:

1. Use smaller images (i.e. images that are vertically smaller than the sections they are in).
2. Use a table/div layout, and place the images in a completely separate column/div. Note that a div within the text will still have the problem.
3. Use the __NOEDITSECTION__ magic word if you don't actually need those edit links.
4. Create your own edit links and place them where you want. It's possible, but tricky, and I don't have the code laying around for it at the moment.

Those are my best bets, but they all require changing the page visually somehow. —Aichon— 19:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Aichon; I'll just kill the edit links. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 21:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Meh.... --Imthatguy found some weed 20:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixing the mess that is the Guides namespace

For the sake of organization, we should make Guides: a proper namespace (via Kevan,) instead of the pseudo-namespace it is now. A few pages will have to be moved (possibly more.)

Thoughts on this? Linkthewindow  Talk  04:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Why the hell not. Having proper namespaces created from pseudos doesn't hurt anyone, and guides have been a part of the wiki since the beginning. --

 

 

 

 

04:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

It makes sense to have it be a proper namespace, but I'm unaware of what it would change at a practical day-to-day basis level. How would this help organization? —Aichon— 04:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

You'll be able to use {{PAGENAME}} properly, and use search to find all guides more easily. Also, my general impression has always been that pseudo-namespaces are Not Good. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

If it were me, I would just assume that silence implies consent and ask Kevan to add the new mainspace.

But, I feel like doing a straw poll, to confirm that I've got consensus for what's a really quite a minor change. Linkthewindow  Talk  14:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

You've got my consent. So that's three... did you need more? :P --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 19:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

If this is the straw poll, then you have mine as well. —Aichon— 23:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Dead.

Like I said almost ayear ago.
Urban Dead is slowly dieing......... Well I'mmouta here--Jerrel Yokotory 01:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes. And...? Some of us only discovered the game within the last year. It's still enjoyable. —Aichon— 01:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

HOLY SHIT IT'S DYING JUMP SHIP 02:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

*awaits Jerrel's return to say the exact same thing in a few months* --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 02:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Still like it, still play it, still think you're a drama queen attention-whore who is full of crap. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Still bitter you didn't get ops?!? No power trippin for you! --

 

 

 

 

02:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Ou sont les neiges d'antan?

I don't know if anyone else is seeing this, but it looks like the snow has stopped. Can anyone confirm this, and if so, is it worth putting on the in-game news template?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 20:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed, but not worth reporting.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Where are the snows of yesteryear? They made the world so white... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 23:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Just stuck it as an unofficial note in News. --

 

 

 

 

10:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Was this Talk:News not good enough for you? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Not really, I just checked around the archives and did it the way I'd also seen it done. You're the weirdo in THIS outfit. --

 

 

 

 

10:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. Wasn't really concentrating. Got to do a lot of preperation for my upcoming arbies case. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

It's cool, I was just kidding. I wouldn't have added it on there but I missed your entry on the talk page, I assumed any action would have been noted here so I just stuck it on the main. --

 

 

 

 

13:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

District pages?

After some initial coding, I have decided to follow Rooster's advice and just check with the general community before I do anything further. As some of the folks here know, I'm a big believer in districts as a concept and as a means of organizing Malton into manageable bits. As such, I have been working on district versions of the standard suburb page and the barricade plan pages.

Obviously both of these example pages need some work, but I am checking here to see if people think these would be worthwhile additions to the wiki or not. If they are, then I will get to work on sprucing up these example pages into a nice clean format before creating ones for all the other districts. If the community doesn't think that they are needed, then I will take them to Deletions. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 10:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I guess it's up to you, but I really don't think they are so necessary. Suburb is a fine enough system on its own. --

 

 

 

 

10:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I agree with DDR. I don't think they're needed, as the current system is already enough, and this would probably give more work, rather than lubricating the system. But, like DDR said, if you feel that these would be helpful, you might as well make them.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 13:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd say setup the rose district and see if it takes off as a usual page. No point doing them all yet. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I think they're worthwhile but not necessary, in the strictest sense. That said, I think the organic approach Ross suggests is a good one. Let's see the Rose District act as a template for the others. I think it can be made to work, and can be useful, but I think they'll be much less dynamic than the suburb pages in the end. —Aichon— 19:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but if it is, then please disregard this statement.

I've been using Wiki.UrbanDead for a while now and I just have a small question regarding the pages of individual buildings in the districts of Malton. I was just curious if it is allowed to alter building descriptions and post pictures of buildings from real life so that the building would have a bit more history and flavor to it rather than just an empty page. --Adlehyde 19:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. But remember this is a collaborative process, so don't be a dick if someone disagrees with your additions. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I am aware that this is a collaborative process and in most cases, I am quite passive when it comes to disagreements so it shouldn't pose a problem. As well, I am curious if it is frowned upon to improve the grammar, punctuation, sentence structure of entries made by other people? The reason I ask this, is because I was looking around districts and having found one and a building that suits my needs, I find that is has a lot of entry history, some of which dates back to 2007. --Adlehyde 22:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Define 'entries'. If it's unsigned history fluff, go change it. If it's a signed comment like this, don't. If you're talking about old news postings, they can be archived. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

By entries, I mean that it is old but signed history and news fluff. I can post the link to the page if you'd like to see what building I am referring to. I also discovered that there are two links on the bottom of the page, both linking to archival pages for tenant entries and listings of tenants. If permitted, I could clean up the page so it isn't a long listing of entries and history. --Adlehyde 22:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, is there a way to rediscover the district in which your character "woke up"? I can't remember where my guy started from. --TheBardofAwesome 13:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

No, there's not. I remember my namesake alt starting in Quarlesbank, but everyone else escapes me. Shame, really. 14:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Damn. I was hoping that there was a way, just one way I could find out. I mean, I don't mind making it up, but I'm gonna hate myself for doing it. And it's even more annoying considering this is the first character I've really played. --TheBardofAwesome 14:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

How long have you had the character? If you haven't moved much and you know how long you've had it, you can narrow it down quite a bit. 14:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I've had the character since mid-January and I've moved around a lot. I was relatively new to the game and wanted to see what Urban Dead was like. Such a bad mistake, IMHO. *Sigh* It's interesting though. I mean, even from what I can that it's entirely randomized, it'd be cool if there was a way for your starting location to be logged. Amazingly enough, while I was looking at all notepad documents on my computer, I found a saved document saying that my guy was from Barter Road Fire Station in West Grayside. I can't believe I saved it to a document, but now that I think about it, I remember it vaguely. Amazing what you can find in your saved document files, isn't it?--TheBardofAwesome 15:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Destroying the Red Links

The wiki is currently full of Red Links, basically pages that don't exist, but are listed on other pages. These are generally due to them

• Never being created by people who start something and then don't finish it.
• People who mispell page names, normally Location pages.
• Pages that were deleted or moved in the past.

The current number is 16000.

Most of these links (8000 or so) are only linked in one place, namely an admin archive, which records when they were moved, deleted.

As such I propose revisiting these protected archives and removing the brackets from their entries.

So for example Red Links becomes Red Links.

The page histories themselves will remain, and you can still find them recorded on the appropriate page, along with the reasons for their initial removal. And they can still be found by searching, they just won't be listed on Special:Wantedpages

Any objections? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I have a major objection, it screws with our Kill List which is designed to show up when someone creates an account with the same name as the victim.

Also, isn't this going to wreck the 'What Links Here' functionality? That's going to make getting recreated pages deleted hell because it'll be a nightmare to find the previous case. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

PK list has a specific objection, that's fair. We'll make the PK list page immune, as you've got a valid reason for it to exist. As for recreation hell, how about a year limit? All the lists from 2005-2008 are dilinkified, and it rolls forward per year. Do we have an issue with pages being recreated over a year later? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Won't searching for the page title still bring the previous case back up? 17:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)#

How about we leave it all alone and you lot go put all the links back. Red links affect no-one excepting those with OCD who are looking at obscure lists generated by wiki software. There's no reason to make life harder for people in any way for this. Go do something useful with your time instead. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of how this discussion goes, Im going to trawl the links. Several hundred of these Red Links are ridiculously lazy locations mispellings. The suggestion here is just because I'm lazy. Its all part of a process. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't fucking help when Mis is purging them from protected pages, so even though there's disagreement no-one can do anything except cause drama through an arbitration case to force reversions until the end of the case. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

If more than one person decides they want red links to misspelt Danger Report pages back, I can revert all my edits. 17:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I see more than danger reports. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Hold up for now. We'll got consensus either way. No point doing lots if we're going to have to revert. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Seems like correcting misspellings is fine, but I'm a bit up in the air on eliminating formerly-legitimate links to pages that have since been deleted. Seems like it could lead to "sleeper" problems that won't be obvious or apparent until later. —Aichon— 06:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Your list shouldn't be affected by this; I'm pretty sure there aren't user pages on Special:Wanted.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

That's nice to know, but the group's wiki page is not in User space. —Aichon— 06:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The pages they're linking to are, and that's what matters. :P --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 10:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

*slaps forehead* Point. —Aichon— 21:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Iscariot is right, but that shouldn't stop you from going through the right links Ross and either nuking them or just removing their brackets, for the ones that should be dealt with as such. --

 

 

 

 

08:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Sigh. Looks Like I'm going to have to do it "properly". --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Given the amount of time without support, can we have all of these that were done undone now? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:41, 31 March 2010 (BST)

I didn't actually realise he'd gone through with doing those sorts of links? --

 

 

 

 

13:47, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Some of the older deletion archives were altered. I don't mind typos being fixed but to remove all links can lead to making comments nonsensical especiall when some of us use links in regular sentences by altering the link text. Point made? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:16, 31 March 2010 (BST)

I rolled back any of my changes. 15:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)

What I don't understand is why none of those high-linked admin archives were changed. I actually inadvertently put them on my projects list this arvo, but meh. The point is I never actually monitored the work Ross had done on these so I didn't know he'd actually 'fixed' those links we complained about, let alone kept them. --

 

 

 

 

15:15, 31 March 2010 (BST)

The links to deleted pages should not be broken. Going to the whatlinkshere page of deleted pages is a good way to find out the history and context of a page that has been deleted. It saves manually going looking for the relevant archives -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:56 11 April 2010 (BST)

That was the consensus. As such I'm trawling through the links for stuff that is obviously spelling mistakes, mostly on locations. Anything that had an editing history is being left as it is. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:45, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Just out of curiosity,...

When you go to the Urban Dead website, and you see the side bar google ads, like the one for eRepublik, I assume that Kevin gets some sort of kick back for those to help support the game. Does anyone know how much? -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 18:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

What's the deal with the referrer in your link?--ConfusedMatthew 13:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)

I think it may have actually been mentioned somewhere on his talk page, but I'm not sure tbh. --

 

 

 

 

13:14, 31 March 2010 (BST)

Vandalism?

I could be wrong, but I think there's been some high-scale vandalism on the Malton suburb map. --TheBardofAwesome 05:35, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Oh yeah, it might be April first where some of you live...nevermind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheBardofAwesome (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Yep, it was a prank for April Fool's done by a random user. I've reverted the edits. —Aichon— 07:21, 1 April 2010 (BST)

Suburb Maps on redrum.soul-fantasy.net

On each suburb's page, there is a link to it's map on redrum.soul-fantasy.net. For example, Dakerstown is http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/map.php?suburb=1. These maps were very high quality and superior to the other maps available on the wiki.

This website has been down for the last few months. Does anyone know why? --BravoLeader 06:55, 6 April 2010 (BST)

I think a major historical UD portal went down a month or two ago... I think it was Resens or something, this may be where the maps were hosted. I'm very sure there were mirror sites somewhere... --

 

 

 

 

07:18, 6 April 2010 (BST)

There are two alternatives that offer similar features as the old RedRum one:

• http://map.aypok.co.uk/index.php
• http://dssrzs.org/map

Hope those help if that has been a request for alternatives. --Spiderzed 07:39, 6 April 2010 (BST)

Oh man, thanks for that, nice work! --

 

 

 

 

07:59, 6 April 2010 (BST)

furthermore...

Should we be replacing the redrum links (on individual suburb pages) above with the new ones? the redrum maps have been down for a while haven't they? --

 

 

 

 

11:33, 18 April 2010 (BST)

We should. The old links won't work any more since they don't use that domain name any longer. Personally, I'd prefer the DSS maps, I think, though I suppose we could consider ways to introduce both links in order to not play favorites. —Aichon— 11:39, 18 April 2010 (BST)

You lot are the code monkeys, can't we find a way to replicate the same system in the wiki so we don't have to rely on a third party and potentially partisan website? I thought we'd learnt this lesson with the iWitness link on the main page. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:21, 18 April 2010 (BST)

If I had the time, I could make one, sure, but it'd still have to be hosted on my own site, rather than here, since there's just no way to replicate some of those features in wikicode. In the end, that'd be as partisan as anything else, since I'd be driving traffic to my own site for personal gain. —Aichon— 00:12, 19 April 2010 (BST)