Suggestion:20090326 Burglary (fixed)

20090326 Burglary (fixed)

Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion type
Skill

Suggestion scope
Survivors / PKers / Death Cultists

Suggestion description
"From months of continuing to lever away sections of barricades, survivors are becoming more skilled in finding the fastest way to pry away the boards." This would be a new skill available as a basic civilian skill (100XP). It would give +5% to the destruction of barricades when using a crowbar. This would only be on barricades, not in combat, and only for the crowbar. Therefore, the crowbar becomes more useful for barricades than the axe, making it a more important item, and not just filler.

This would primarily help to deal with over-barricading, and zombie pinatas. I don't think that there's much window for alt abuse, and this would mainly just edge the statistics slightly, without changing the game fully.

NOTE: It is now 5%, not 10%

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Keep Votes

1. Author Keep --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
2. KEEP - As my previous justification. You may have wanted to mention that although zombie rates may need a fix this is unrelated to that, it is too late now though! You may also want to take a look at what constitutes an invalid vote if people start spamming "zombies should be upped first". --Kamikazie-Bunny 20:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
3. Keep Helps the combat revived. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
4. Keep - Crowbars should be useful more often than at the holidays. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 00:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
5. Keep Gives people a real reason to even carry a crowbar. Doesn't unbalance the game in any way. --ScaredPlayer 00:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
6. Keep I tried smashing wood furniture with an axe in real life and a crowbar is SO MUCH better why not make this so in the game --james bodkin 26 March 2009

   LOLWUTSorry midianian, but this ^^^ is just WAY TOO FUNNY --ScaredPlayer 18:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC) Non-author RE -- Cheese 19:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

7. keep humans are rational, tool using, problem solving monkeys... working out how to use a crowbar properly is what humans do. It is true that zombies need a boost to barricade attacks but that does not invalidate what is a simple and reasonable minor buff to an under used item.--Honestmistake 08:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Kill Votes

1. Weak Kill - I'm not sold on the idea, but I do agree that overbarricading is a problem. Anyone who doesn't should try hanging out in Creedy for a couple of days. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 03:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

   Overbarricading is a problem because survivors are selfish pricks. No game fix is going to change that, nor should you expect one to. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 16:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC) Non-author reply struck. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 16:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

2. Kill - While I think Honest is right in that humans are rational creatures and should IRL be able to debarricade more efficiently than zombies, realism has to be balanced with game play, and until the debarricading rates for zombies increases, this suggestion must die. If the zombie rate increases, then humans don't need a skill to be better with the crowbar. Simply raise the efficiency rates for the crowbar against barricades. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 16:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
3. Kill - 5% is hardly enough for it to be significant. Raising the % would make it overpowered. Besides, why would a crowbar be more effective at tearing down barricades than a fire axe? Fire axes are made to break down blocked doors, after all... --LaosOman 22:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - Still no. Zombie rates need fixed first. Survivors do not need this. -- Cheese 20:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

   According to vote justification, this is an invalid vote. Someone strike it as such. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

   This is a valid vote. I very strongly believe that the idea is completely unworkable, gamebreaking and no amount of improvement on the basic idea (without a very radical departure for it) can convince me otherwise. I vote spam on ideas of this nature. Kill on those that are possible to salvage. -- Cheese 21:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

   Do not concern yourself with whether the suggestion is "workable" or not. That decision is to be left to Kevan, and Kevan alone. --ScaredPlayer 00:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC) Non-author reply struck. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 00:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

   Unfortunately, that's not how voting works. The first thing you said, about implementing zombie stuff first, was invalid. This isn't, but it's a kill. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC) - Since we are quoting guidelines here, Comments are restricted to a single comment per vote, and it is expected that Re comments be as short as possible. Reing every kill vote is considered abuse of the Re comment. -- Cheese 21:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

2. Spam - Survivors should never be more efficent at debarricading than zombies are. They shouldn't even be equally efficent. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 20:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

   Opinion= Kill, not spam. Spam is for overpowered. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

   This is overpowered. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 21:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

   Spam votes are not a "strong kill", they are simply here to prevent the utterly ridiculous from clogging up the system. If you do not like the idea, and it's not some crazy uber power or something else ridiculous, VOTE KILL, NOT SPAM. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC) - Take it to talk. -- Cheese 21:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

3. Spam - This simply can not be implemented into the game. As Midinian. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 21:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
4. Spam - Zombies need this. Survivors don't. Also, re'ing every reply won't make people change their minds, but will rather make them decide that you're a prick and turn them against you on this and all future suggestions. --Papa Moloch 03:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
5. Spam - We do not fix the game mechanics because you find combating legal tactics difficult. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
6. Spam - As above. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
7. Spam - I do think a crowbar should be better than an axe against barricades, however it seems that a small buff to crowbar should be implemented to the item itself, and adding a new skill for a 5% increase doesn't seem necessary. For that reason, spam. --Giles Sednik ^CAPDSWA 21:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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