UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation

Pre-arby stuff

Due to the increased hostility, vandalism, insults, spais, murder, etc. (anything bad, it's happened.) I have been told to go to Arbies. I will accept fair Arby. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haliman111 (talk • contribs) at 23:33, 9 January 2008.

Once again, I offer to arbitrate. I have a good knowledge of the happenings (both past and present) in this case and you both know me to be impartial. -- Cheese 23:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Accepted. I seemed vague in the request for this case, but you already know. This case will solve everything, right? Not just that one page? --Haliman - Talk 23:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully, but both groups have to want this to make any resolution work. -- Cheese 23:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Ohhh....can't we another restraining order again or something..or deletion of both biased war reports.--Thadeous Oakley 23:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki wise, the UBCS has done nothing to vandalize Umbrella's pages. We want the vandalism to stop. Trust me. --Haliman - Talk 23:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm here to represent UBCS too.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 23:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thadeous: We can do that as well, but if you want we can use this as a sort of mediation to get all your issues with each other sorted. Either way, would you be willing to accept me as arbitrator? -- Cheese 23:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

*goes to offline*

Thadeous has gone to sleep can I get an update on this arbitration, I have refused to read anything Haliman posts due to the dangerous raises in blood pressure it tends to cause me (sarcasm). Let me catch myself up and then we'll try and work an agreement.President Jackson 00:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that I have a better understanding, I would rather just apologize for editing that particular wiki page. I don't have a history of malicious editing and the edit in its purpose wasn't malicious at all. I am still a wiki noob as I don't have a complete understand of the wiki coding, I assumed that that particular page was neutral when I edited it being that it was 'our' war. I am currently constructing our own page for this war so there should no longer be confusion by any members like Beau or myself. I am not really familiar with arbitration but if its going to do the same thing as it did with 'Umbrella' routing options than I don't think it could be a problem but I find it unnecessary. Oh and since my name is fixed could I have my toolbar back please?President Jackson 00:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Would both groups be happy just to have a NPOV, mainspace (that is, owned by neither group,) page documenting the war? Linkthewindow  Talk  01:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that create a huge opportunity for an all-out edit war? I think that's what happening right now as well.--SirArgo ^Talk 01:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

As SirArgo said. That is a possibility, better not making it possible.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 01:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Its fine the way it is now, I have finished our own page, and now that I have more knowledge of the wiki I don't think this should be an issue again. Sorry for the outburst earlier but you must see it from my ignorant point of view earlier. I don't think this Arbitration is necessary. Also can I have my toolbar back? Where do I go to ask for my toolbar?President Jackson 03:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

What toolbar are you on about? =/ You've asked about it at least 4 or 5 times but you haven't clarified what or where it actually is. -- Cheese 17:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The only toolbar in the wiki? The wiki toolbar that appears at the top of the selected page for editing. Contains things like the button that places your signature.President Jackson 20:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Clikc on your preferences, edit, and then check to see if what I circled is checked or not.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks man! I don't know how that got unchecked. Didn't even know that was possible.--President Jackson 02:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That only works when both sides are willing to put pettiness aside, and leave their bad blood on the battlefield... so, let the trenchy vs. trenchy propaganda war begin! and may the best group win look slightly less foolish in the end -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:12 10 January 2009 (BST)

And that's why I propose deletion of both the pages.--Thadeous Oakley 10:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Umm, no, Thadeous.President Jackson 20:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

In case they're still trying to decide on an arbitrator I'll volunteer. I've gotten used to stress in my life, I'd miss it if there wasn't any all of a sudden. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Likewise I offer my services, apart from the lack of stress.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Likewise. Anyone getting Deja Vu here?-- Adward  18:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Fourthed. I'll arby if necessary. --Pestolence^(talk) 21:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

If you would like it, I offer to arbitrate as well.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Well since we both have our own war "report" now can't we leave at that? I really don't feel anything for an arb case. Besides, cant we settle this at our forum under the same negotiation topic? There is no use in creating an in-game peace when this "wiki war" continues.--Thadeous Oakley 23:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd help, but you banned me. As for the reports, one public report would be better than two POV'd ones. --Haliman - Talk 23:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You actually said: Screw negotiations on your forums! --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 00:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Right, UBCS requested this arbitration, accordingly the community assumes that they will participate and represent themselves. One question only is currently relevant, will Umbrella participate in this arbitration and represent themselves? This question requires a yes or no answer from Umbrella regarding their participation according to the statues set out in the arbitration precedents. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok I am confused. Didn't the UBCS and Umbrella Corporation agree to disagree by having their own pages for this war, because I am pretty sure that's what I was trying to put across. No I am not thinking Arbi's, things are fine the way they are now and should be left at that.President Jackson 02:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You aren't following, your 'agreement' with UBCS means precisely dick now. UBCS brought this case, it implies that they are unhappy with how the current arrangement is progressing. Therefore, as it has been brought, this is now an arbitration case, if you choose not to represent yourself, a representative will be chosen for you and the arbitration will progress and you will be bound by that result. I personally couldn't give a shit about whatever agreement the pair of you have, you are both filling up my admin pages with your drama and if I can I'll end it here and now. Therefore, under the Arbitrations Guidelines that I have explained to you, the precedent you can read from past cases and the guidelines linked from this page; Will Umbrella represent themselves in this case aginst UBCS? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, why not, since this freakin thing cannot just be dropped now. Oi vey.--President Jackson 05:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it can. All it takes is the user who created this case to drop it --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 05:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh well then why don't we wait on word from them first? I have to sleep anyway, I have only had 2hrs these past 2 days.President Jackson 05:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I volunteer to be Arbitatortot. I am unbiased because I think both groups are full of faggots. I will not choose one faggot over another for I hate both you. I will, however, decide which faggot is less wrong and choose that one as the winner of the case. I would then prescribe the correct solution to solve this faggotry that ails your two groups. Failure to accept my proposal would result in big punishments, and possible lynchings. Sounds fair? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I add myself to the overabundance of arbitrators, except I am neutral towards both groups, and less lynchings :|. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I am still for keeping both pages and leaving it at. Creating a POV public page instead seems impossible to me.--Thadeous Oakley 09:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

This is for making a public POV page, and to stop Umbrella's vandalism. Impossible? We will make a page public, and count confirmed kills to keep everything accurate. Neither memberlist will be on the page, and only a basic summary of the war will be included, along with the battle template. I'm sure even Umbrella can figure out how to do that. --Haliman - Talk 18:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I am going to have to disagree with this. The vandalism stopped days ago (with exception to the mistakes made earlier) and this Arbitration is only being pursued by Haliman's UBCS in order to have our Operation: War Drums wiki page removed, since it is threatening to the survival of their group. I would also like to state to Haliman that unless this Arbitration case is dropped I will release secret information on your groups plan to create zerg impostors of the Umbrella Corporation in order to cause havoc with Malton (specifically Shearbank) locals.--President Jackson 19:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

They can't start a arbitration case about this without us, so far as I know.--Thadeous Oakley 19:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That is correct. Both sides have to accept the arbitrator and their ruling. Linkthewindow  Talk  23:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect. If you choose not to represent yourself other users can be chosen to represent you, this has happened in the past. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You know many "unconfirmed" (no screenshot) kills we have made? Unless you take my word for it I am not going to work along to create a false page.--Thadeous Oakley 19:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Funny thing is, he SHOULD know, apparently his UBCS members have been keeping screen shots of us killing them seeing as I have received a few that we didn't have pictures of at the time LOL!--President Jackson 19:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"Arbitration is only being pursued by Haliman's UBCS in order to have our Operation: War Drums wiki page removed, since it is threatening to the survival of their group." - Threatening to our survival? We're kicking your ass. "I will release secret information on your groups plan to create zerg impostors of the Umbrella Corporation in order to cause havoc with Malton (specifically Shearbank) locals." - You're an idiot. What proof do you have? "i saw dem say dis in s soopur sekrit forum!!!" I have proof of Umbrella zerging, which I will post RIGHT now. You brought this upon yourself. --Haliman - Talk 19:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And Umbrella thinks that you two don't need to go to arby...--SirArgo ^Talk 19:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"Threatening to our survival? We're kicking your ass." And I will just pretend I don't have evidence for that being a lie. "You're an idiot. What proof do you have? "i saw dem say dis in s soopur sekrit forum!!!" I have proof of Umbrella zerging, which I will post RIGHT now. You brought this upon yourself." Before this turns into some sort of flame war, we don't have any secret zerging being used to make impostors of the UBCS in order to cause chaos for the other group. The zerging you are likely referring to Haliman is most likely use of some characters that are enrolled in the Umbrella Corporation B.O.W. Program and essentially operate as an alt with Dual Nature intent.--President Jackson 19:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Dividy Header

To try and get things moving, here are the users who have put their hands up to arby. Please can you guys agree on an arbitrator so this can get resolved.

• Cheese
• Iscariot
• Rosslessness
• Drawde
• Pestolence
• SirArgo
• Sonny
• Linkthewindow
  

That's a reasonable list so take your pick. -- Cheese 21:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm good with Ross, Pest, or Link. --Haliman - Talk 21:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm striking my name. I don't need this much drama right now. --Pestolence^(talk) 22:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? We're still going through with this? I choose SirArgo. I guess I'll take the time to get those screen shots of the zerging conspirators.--President Jackson 01:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I would chose Cheese, myself. He knows the most of the story, far more then anyone else. But this case needs to concern the general Umbrella/UBCS thingy. Not just some war report. --Thadeous Oakley 15:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Thadeous (Yeah, I said it.) That's kinda what I hoped it to do. --Haliman - Talk 03:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

So you agree that cheese can arbie? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed then. --Haliman - Talk 22:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Righty ho. Lets get this show on the road then. Shifting this to its own page. -- Cheese 23:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheese's Main Opening statement

Ok. This is a bit more complicated than last time as we're going to try and end the hostilities between your groups using this as a neutral ground on which to stick the negotiating table. After we've sorted that out, we'll move onto the war page issue. For now though I'll detail how I plan on doing this mediation.

• Stage one is for each group to state what they want out of this process and from your point of view what would you like the other group to do in order for your group to put the past behind and work together. This is just a simple statement (or list if needbe) and no replies to the other groups statements just yet. We'll get to that later.
• Stage two is what your group is willing to do in order to meet the requests of the other group. In other words, this is a reply to Step one. Try and keep it civil and avoid completely refusing anything if you can.
  

Stages three and beyond will depend on the outcomes of these first two stages and I'll detail them later on. For now, we'll get started on the first two.

In the build up to this, I noticed two members of each group commenting which I think would be just about right. Unless I ask for other opinions the representatives of each group are as such:

• UBCS
  • Haliman111
  • Lithedarkangel
• Umbrella
  • Thadeous Oakley
  • Jackson

Now the boring bit's done, lets get started.-- Cheese 00:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Stage one

This part is simple. Give me a list of what you want from this and what it would take for you to forgive and forget. Keep it reasonable and no crazy requests involving ponies or gold. Don't use your header to reply to the other group, that's what the next bits for. Only post under your own header, etc.

Since Haliman brought the case, UBCS can go first. -- Cheese 00:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

UBCS

Only Haliman or Lithedarkangel beyond this point

Ok. Since Haliman has not started I think I will have to. The most I want from this is Peace, a cease of all hostilities directed to our group from Umbrella Corporation. Most of this battle comes from the fact that those in Umbrella Corporation will not accept the word "Umbrella" to be related with Haliman, I think that we can name ourselves "Umbrella (insert something here related)" if we want. They don't own the name and if we change our name it must be because we see it fits the situation not because some other groups told us to do it. That's all for the moment.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 20:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I wish to add: The slander in-game needs to end too. We refuse to engage in an alliance until ALL of the slander stops. After that, I think we could work together. --Haliman - Talk 16:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Umbrella

Only Thadeous or Jackson beyond this point

Removal of both slander pages (yeah, the ones up at deletions). They don't belong on the wiki.--Thadeous Oakley 20:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Stage two

This part is rather simple as well and is your groups response to the others reasonable requests. Please keep this part civil and try to avoid starting confrontations. Again, only post under your own header etc.

Don't start posting in this section until I say so. -- Cheese 00:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Let's move on. Post your responses to the bits up there ^ -- Cheese 22:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

UBCS Response

Why stop there? Let's completely get rid of them both. As long as they stay in existence, we won't have peace. Now, onto the war reports. A neutral one could be made with Confirmed kills only, to keep accuracy. Fair? --Haliman - Talk 16:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought we were gonna use this as mediation for all the issues we have... --Haliman - Talk 16:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Response for Thad: Well, those in-game events are produced by the same situation that is here. Being the word "Umbrella" related with us. I think they both can be solved here. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 21:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Umbrella Response

Umbrella Reps only

You can't pull in-game events into the wiki. And I am not interested in an alliance with you. I am interested in stopping all this hassle on the wiki. Secondly, confirmed kills? I will get back to you on that.--Thadeous Oakley 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

For a page that we all want to delete your putting allot of effort in it.--Thadeous Oakley 17:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We can handle in-game things here aswell, just remember arbitrator Cheese's rulings can only extend to the wiki.Thadeous Oakley

Next bit

Right, time to move on. I'll let you guys discuss things together here and I'll pop in every now and then to ask questions, clarify something etc. As before keep it civil and try to avoid flat refusal of anything without a decent reason. -- Cheese 19:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Umbrella and UBCS reps here

I stand the same on this issue as I did before this Arbitration started. This arbitration is completely unnecessary and useless, I will not stand for our pages being merged as it would easily turn into an edit war. Secondly the editing has stopped, THANK THE ALMIGHTY SPAGHETTI MONSTER, but the editing (from our members) has stopped. There is no internet collar you can put around people's neck to stop them from doing what they want on the internet, we have warned our members and hoped for the best outcome for future members to come. We never gave any instructions for harassment and we have condoned all these acts back on our own forums. Personal wiki attacks/flaming/wiki drama is beyond needing an arbitration, you cannot force people to get along so don't try it as long as it doesn't spill into pages beyond that which is related to the groups pages.

Peace on the wiki, yes I would say its possible if unprovoked, peace in Urban Dead well there is to be no control over that. We will continue the war until we get what we want and if that reflects upon the wiki who gives a fuck.--President Jackson 00:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you did not sent them. But you left them to do at their own will for quite some time. Now, you don't see us going on vandal around you pages. Nevermind, I'm not looking for someone to accuse. All I want is for this hostility to stop. We have nothing against Umbrella Corporation, but apparently you at UC do have some issues with our existence...such a shame. At this point, is clear that you will continue the war in-game until we change our name... all this for a name? --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 03:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Quite some time? I'm not regularly active on the wiki since I never saw a reason to be other than the occasional update of our groups wiki page. So not until this shit started getting reported on our forums I had to come here and spend hours representing Umbrella Corporation and attempting to halt any negative attention! You say I left them to do on their own like I wanted them to, though that Umbrella impersonator was quite hilarious and lead me to discover my favorite song of all time "Jizz in My Pants", regardless, you actually think that I want to deal with this crap!? If you saw on Haliman's talk page before it was deleted ages ago, you would have noted that I FUCKING HATE THIS WIKI DRAMA SHIT and that I wanted nothing to do with Haliman as it takes time and effort and for what!? I was hoping the Haliman Files was going to be the end of it but, for some reason though there has to be some taint that remains that keeps attempting to call me back until I am where we all are today on this wiki. I could be studying my books on Japanese culture instead of having to worry about this shit, except I do get a little enjoyment in the occasional roasting on the discussion pages. However, I am the President of the corporation. As part of my responsibilities and relationship with those who work for Umbrella (RP or not) I will stand and defend it at whatever cost no matter who opposes! (thick Scottish accent) "...AND WE SHALL CRUSH OUR ENEMIES!"--President Jackson 11:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

You tried to steal it. See the other arby case. And it's not only that, you tried to get us fired, refusing an alliance, making slander pages. Besides, your group wants to rename its name to Urban Biohazard Containment Service. And again, the slander pages you and I put up needs to be deleted.--Thadeous Oakley 11:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)