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If you're not smart enough to figure out this is my talk page, then leave. Now. If you do stay to chat, don't be an ass.

soup

thought you might like to know that rakuen's promo bid has been due for final processing for a few days now kthx --Cyberbob 11:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh hai (part 2 of ?)

In reference to your UDWiki:Terms of Use page, I think it'll need rewritten quite heavily so that shows clearly what applies to us user types rather than the payment bit (which only applies to Kevan). Mind if I have a stab at it? =) -- Cheese 15:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh hai (part 1 of ?)

I'd just like to draw your attention over to this important document that requires your attention while I stealthily help myself to the contents of your wallet. We're just 6 votes short of the required 20 and your participation in the vote would be greatly appreciated. =) Thank you. -- Cheese 21:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Steelin' Mah Votez

I am going to find some reason to misconduct you, and no you cannot borrow 3 pence from Honestmistake. IT ALL BELONGS TO ME! --ZsL 17:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Karek promotion

He has got a clear vouch from the community, and although he seems hesitant to remain a sysop, he hasn't replied to my message on his talk page. I say we confirm his sysop status, and if he is unwilling to continue, let him go through the demotions page -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:59 22 February 2009 (BST)

Thank You

For being the first sysop I have dealt with to see reason. I can promise with certainty I will not be a bother to you or the wiki in general. That being said I do request my group page Lockettside Valkyries be taken off protection status. There really is no need for that is there? Also, I apologise for my earlier vandalism under the Leonidas titles, I had just seen 300 for the millionth time and figured if I was banned anyway it wouldn't hurt to have a little fun. That won't happen again. Eternal Chimera 01:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

No, for some reason that email account was lost when I switched from dsl to Comcast. So if you sent anything important may I request you simply post it on my talk page?Eternal Chimera 01:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and congratulations on making Sysop. That said, I predicted it would happen at some point. It just took longer than I thought because you're not enough of an ass. =]

Eternal Chimera 01:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate it. Just don't get yourself in trouble for helping me out. I've already brought myself down by losing my temper, I refuse to drag you with me. After all, worst case scenario, I can always make more alts. I've already set a bloody wiki record. I'm not an asshole but I am stubborn. =] Eternal Chimera 01:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand. If at all possible I would appreciate having my original unbanned so I can abandon this account along with any others (I have dozens I've created I've never even used yet, just in cae I run out of proxies =P). Eternal Chimera 01:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
SA, you should ban him immediately....Jed got DEMOTED for refusing to act about a "known" alt.--CyberRead240 01:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Understood, and thank you. As for you, "Sexylegsread", you are unaware of the situation. Kindly silence yourself until a verdict has been reached. And I am NOT a "him". =/ Eternal Chimera 01:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I am aware, you feel you should be allowed to come back and edit but you have a history of abusing the wiki through alts rather than finding more sufficient way to fight your way back on here. Also there are no girls on the interweb.--CyberRead240 01:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
God you're an oily little fag. Butthurt too, but right now mostly oily. And fag. --Cyberbob 01:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Oily? What will he do next!--CyberRead240 01:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually Iscariot is more of a vandal than Izumi ever was. --Karekmaps?! 04:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about breaking your little rule but as of right now I do not have a reliable email address to cntact you with, so this will have to do. I was just wondering if you have any recent news on my little predicament, as I have business that needs taking care of, been piling up for over a year now. I would much appreciate being up and running sometime in the near future if it is at all possible to convince the other blockhead sysops that I pose no threat to their precious little drama-filled online community. Regards, Izumi. Superiority 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
There is nothing I can, or will do unless you can follow one simple rule. I said no more accounts, do you have a forum, anywhere other than here, for me to contact you at?--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 23:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hell, if you can use the internet, join the New Malton Colossus forum, and PM me there. Just not here.--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 23:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Resurrection of Caiger Mall Page

You still planning on putting this page up for deletion? I've got no clue how to do it and would really love to see it gone. --Johnny Bass 16:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Help, please

I have 2 images that I've uploaded, but I'm not going to use them. (they just aren't working the way I'd like) Can you tell me how to get them deleted? They are Image:Blooddrop.jpg and Image:Tiny_knife.jpg. It appears that I can't just delete the pages, myself... --LEt 22:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

If you uploaded them, you can probably get rid of them at A/SD. --Pestolence(talk) 22:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I can take care of them. I'll cite this section of my talk page as Author consent.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 23:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd put them through the system if I were you, Angel. You might get taken to misconduct for just deleting them offhand. In fact, I think that's what the example is about... --Pestolence(talk) 00:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
*Cough cough*--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 01:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh... --Pestolence(talk) 01:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! I didn't realize I could request that they be removed at A/SD. I'll do that next time! --LEt 00:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
No problems.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 01:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The Ladder Theory

Let's talk about changing the vandal ladder. Please answer honestly and fill in the circles completely. This is a timed test.

  • What do you think about the idea of making it 3 warnings and after that you can start banning?

()Strongly Agree (O)Agree () Neutral ()Strongly Neutral ()Disagree ()Strongly Disagree

  • Each case gets the punishment fitting it regardless of warning level. i.e. blanking pages, walls of text, or impersonation can earn a 24 ban even if it is a first offense)

()Too bloody confusing ()Bans for Everyone (O)There really isn't a consistent scale for each action now that I think about it. Or maybe there is.

  • Did you notice that on the page it says Modification of these guidelines is expected as a part of the growth of this community. Those wishing to modify any part of this document should discuss the changes on this page's talk page. Consensus of the community is required in order to change these guidelines. but the talk page is locked?

() I did not ()That explains a lot! () LOL (O) I did when I first saw the page. Haven't cared since.

Emot-argh.gif--– Nubis NWO 19:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Your test answers sucked for the most part. :P I added in an answer on the last question. :) --BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 20:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I was quite fond of "strongly neutral". But seriously, other than adding a "floating 3rd warning" to be used like a Get out of Ban Free card can you think of any way to implement a legit way to alter the ladder? It needs to be something that a policy can be based on. NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!!--– Nubis NWO 22:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
How about just leaving the ladder how it is, and should one or more sysops decide they don't think the punishment is suitable compared to the action, they can forego said punishment in favour oh a lesser one. It allows the system to be rigid enough to easily follow in the majority of the cases, which seem to be okay in terms of punishments being handed out accordingly, but flexible enough to allow small cases that, while not entirely good, don't deserve a month ban or something.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 23:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Because that will result in unpopular users not getting the benefit of the doubt (or the 3rd warning) because it will be argued that they already had 2 chances. You see that Read didn't get any slack when his "vandalism" wasn't wiki ending. We need a change in A/VB and I think I have a few ideas.--– Nubis NWO 15:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I think it could be done my way, but you do have a point with unpopular users getting shafted on a small issue. Our current team likes to sheep towards one way more often than not. :/ --BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 22:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Here: Consider the user's past edits, warnings and blocks, the severity of their offense, the likelihood that their edit(s) could have been made in error or otherwise in good faith, and the type of user in question [...] It shouldn't be too hard to remain impartial if you follow that?--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
We're also supposed to assume good faith. Read's first revision was him trying to bring it within policy, and Hag straight bans him. No good faith assumption there.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 22:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes. I'm not talking about read, just about not using a very structured ladder system. Good faith should always be assumed, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Elections

Will you be standing for the upcoming 'crat elections? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 03:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hell, I don't even know when they are at the moment. :D --BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 11:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Should be any day now-as soon as someone bothers to make the whole bid thingy (it's been three months and two days since the last one.) Hell, I would do it, but my intertubes are made of fail at the moment ;(. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The next one is towards the end of the month, the time runs from a successful conclusion of the election i.e. when Cheese received his 'crat status. Given this, the question is, will you stand and serve as 'crat? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 11:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Meh, sure, why not? I doubt I'd win anyway.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 22:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

If you get crat, I'm going to laugh at you. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHAH! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I forgot to thank you

For this edit. Thanks :D. (Seriously though, I thought I did this days ago. Sorry :(.) Linkthewindow  Talk  14:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I did. My god, I'm an idiot.
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Linkthewindow has given Suicidialangel a cookie for for fixing my user page, and getting thanked twice
Linkthewindow  Talk  14:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Uranium

BOMBS--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 02:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

N is for no survivors? --Pyrranha 23:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Less than three--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 04:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

A point on faith

wikipedia:Bad_faith. The point? Intentionally abusing policy is always in bad faith. For some reason people always seem to not realize that when ruling on certain users cases. If he was intentionally trying to abuse a loophole in a policy the existence of the loophole does mean he wasn't breaking any rules according to the words but that he was breaking the purpose of the policy, that he knows as much means that the edit is in bad faith and that it's in bad faith means it does in fact qualify for punishment under our vandalism policy.--Karekmaps?! 22:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I'll test it on my ye olde monitor later. Damn, that piece of code was so obvious >:(. Linkthewindow  Talk  00:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

RE:PARTY!!!

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Axe Hack has given Suicidalangel a cookie for no reason at all.
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Sysopness

Congratulations! You are now a sysop. =) After almost unanimous support, there's not really any other outcome. =p Anyway, good luck and try not to break anything. Enjoy! -- Cheese 11:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations SA. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the cool guys club. And link, ur next. --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talkcontribs) at 12:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Do eet nao! - Can 'crats nominate folk for promotion? =/ -- Cheese 12:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Of course they can :P --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talkcontribs) at 12:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hah! Now do some work. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I did before you even said this. :P --Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 16:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

You look funny when you delete stuff. Also, what is your opinion on this template? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

It has a lot of stuff to punch in, which was inevitable. It's a lot better than using the code, since I won't need to go back and copy+paste stuff to use. I might start converting my game to template, then start up the story again today... --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I made some large adjustments, not 100% fond of the colours, but I can always change those afterword. Does it look usable? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Congrats. You may now begin screening potential Arbiters for when Iscariot gets a wild hair. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 22:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers!--Janus talk 13:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Sig

Perhaps I'm wrong, but don't you have to keep a link to your page in your signature? (Sorry if you have one and I'm just being dense, but your sig on the sandbox doesn't look like you have one). --Pestolence(talk) 18:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. --Pestolence(talk) 19:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Satisfy my curiosity

You always lived in the US?--Thadeous Oakley 21:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Very fast response: Fail or Win?

I was just wondering if it was coincidence that your in-game character is named Engel while you call yourself suicidalangel. You see, your name is suicidalangel. "Engel" is the direct Dutch translation of the word "Angel".--Thadeous Oakley 21:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Aber ich spreche keine Deutsch. I dropped German two years ago, the grammar was too hard :P. I knew it wasn't coincidence!--Thadeous Oakley 10:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Errrrr*tic

I dunno really, it was just a vague feeling I had at the time. Actually reading your bid got rid of it. --Cyberbob 21:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Your thoughts

on this? Also i'm adding you to UHUB.--xoxo 00:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Code Stealers

That's too bad. Looked like a hilarious group. -- CITIZEN VI 03:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again

Meanie. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it's good that we got that cleared up. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
No chickens. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Mittens are fine. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
You can haz kittens.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Gut the kitten of its innards, turn inside-out like a sock and you've got a mitten. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Substitute the kitten with yourself? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Bah, wimp. Quick question, how does this look? Is it looking/working the same as my userpage? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Good. Of course it looks messy at the moment, having filled in things with only gibberish. I'm making a template. :)--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
But mine will be the bestest and the longest. It will probably be the only one that is completed. I am planning on finishing it. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe, how lengthy of a game will you make? I'm hardly past the starting point in mine (I have it all laid out in my head). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, well... :P and stuff. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

:D I think I'm going to read your bid now, since I pounced on it fairly quickly. Rawr. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL (Yes that's an acronym son)

I would have lol'd at this there, but I've been banned from his page :'(. So, lol here. Also, your talk page confuses me... --Pestolence(talk) 21:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Trying to find my way around the empty/confusing talk page

So I can say thanks =] Liberty 12:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Postin on ur talk page

Amidoinitrite? --ZsL 12:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Fuck no. :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha! We made you remove the rules of your talk page, due to our inability/indifference to post properly! --ZsL 01:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Dammit, I should have seen that coming... --ZsL 01:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

For the unofficial warn, it won't happen again :D. --Leroy jankens 21:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear SuicidalAngel,

Can I have my spider back then please.--Lexicality 23:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

D:! My spidah!--Lexicality 23:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Assylum

could you add a few NPOV explanation of what was Assylum and who was part of it ? And list it on Category:Wiki Groups --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talkcontribs) at 11:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Team Angel Sigs

It should totally be something along the lines of BFFs NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSA etc. 4 EVA. Well, that sig for at least a week.Emot-argh.gif--– Nubis NWO 09:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Psst. That could end with you guys getting dragged to VB for impersonating each other. ;p -- Cheese 22:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm changing that signature back to the last available version, SA. I had to go to the page history to work out if it was you or nubis that was signing on the promotions page. Tell me why I shouldn't take you to vandalism for deliberately breaking the sig policy to make some kind of bullshit point? -- boxy talkteh rulz 23:41 5 February 2009 (BST)

It's not a templated sig, so I've changed it on the promotions page. Please don't use it again -- boxy talkteh rulz 23:46 5 February 2009 (BST)
Because it has my link in it. ^^. Fine, I've made it more acceptable. If you find it unacceptable now, get started on some sort of policy, because this does not break the spirit, nor the letter of the rules. Also, I await my week ban from lack of due process.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 23:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Thankyou. It's still potentially confusing to newbies, however at least it's easy for most people to know who's sig it is now.
BTW, even if you were escalated, it would be a warning, not a week ban, numbnuts -- boxy talkteh rulz 23:59 5 February 2009 (BST)
Thanks, crotchrocket. ;). I really don't expect y'all to follow due process anymore, if you hadn't noticed.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 00:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
It's great when people insult eachother in good fun...... artard. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I thought we had something special Gnome? How could you do this to me? :'( --BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 00:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Wha? ... no no! It was in jest! Please don't leave me! OMG! Oohhh... --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
kk i stil lov you.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 00:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
i wuv u too... --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, y'all successfully confuzzled at least one person...  :) --Jen 03:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Eep...I thought it should go here, because it related to this discussion. And, naw, it's no problem. I'm rather amused by the whole matter. :) --Jen 03:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Will we still be BFFs if this goes south on me? --– Nubis NWO 03:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Look,i don't give a shite what sig you have but this is stupid, read got a week ban for far less. I know you didn't think he should have but the clear bias from boxy and the like isn't okay. Please change your sig, or convince them to strike reads ban and have whoever banned him do the time from a/m. Sorry to be such a fun sponge...--xoxo 04:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

That's what we are trying to do though ???Where have you been?--– Nubis NWO 14:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW --Cyberbob 12:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for breaking my page when I look at it from a different computer Bob. But yeah, if you didn't notice from the Not Vandalims rulings, we don't think he did anyhting wrong from the start.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 16:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a little hard to take your righteous indignation at bobs BAAW seriously, when you're displaying that intentionally fucked up sig, hypocrite. Just FYI -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:19 11 February 2009 (BST)
I'm sorry Boxy. I can't help it that it doesn't look broken on my screen. Sorry for wasting your time.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 19:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
"I was going to change it in a week anyway. Which is tomorrow. So keep crying about it Box man." Good, now you can go back to lecturing the kettles without looking too black yourself -- boxy talkteh rulz 03:39 13 February 2009 (BST)
I'm sorry Suicidalangel. I can't help it that it doesn't look broken on my screen. Sorry for wasting your time. --Cyberbob 17:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your input. --Cyberbob 16:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I love that line. --– Nubis NWO 18:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

For next time

=) Thought you might find this useful. -- Cheese 15:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

See, thing was, it looked deleted. I went back and checked right before you deleted it a second time (As I've had my coffee now, and I remembered the MFWA), and noticed it was one of them. Then it was gone. :'( --BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 15:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

OMFG!

your a crat! burn everybody and everything! WOOO!----SexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png Boobs.gif 21:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

And so ushers in a new era of terror and villainy... Sounds fun!-- Adward  22:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Links Sysop Bid.

Going to decide? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 00:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/OrangeGaf

Worth a warning in your opinion? --Janus talk 14:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

What would you warn him for? --Pestolence(talk) 21:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
This part. Meh, I'm probably being too prude. --Janus talk 21:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Huh?

You're a Bureaucrat now, eh? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 00:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)