Talk:The dead of Dunell Hills

I can't help but notice

I was checking out the thread on your SA forums and I had to say something. These "kittenpiles" are a waste of AP. Zombies attacking other zombies is not a great way to bring up your XP because the XP gain is cut by half. Plus also whenever the zombies die you need to use 10 AP to stand back up again. You can use your AP more wisely by attacking strong human buildings like NT or malls.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LuE Colo (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

We do not have lurching gait for the most part, so any benefit attacking humans has is negated by the travel cost. Additionally many of us do not have any sort of + accuracy skill besides vigour mortis, which further means that after traveling we waste yet more AP missing. Sitting in piles wailing on each other means we all AP goes in to gaining exp.--Gregarious Instigator 04:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you shouldn't have grouped up in a suburb deep in the red zone? You might have found some worthwhile targets to bite elsewhere --boxy ^{talk • i} 04:19 28 February 2008 (BST)

We didn't group in a suburb that was deep in red...we made it red.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crying McNuggetts (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

I thought the whole NW had been red for a while -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:32 28 February 2008 (BST)

Just sitting around in a big pile is exact what you guys don't want to be. Look at it this way you guys are like humans right now just without the roleplaying. It is more exciting attacking buildings. Let your big zombies attack the barricades then all the little zombies come in and just eat eat eat. That is the fastest way to gain XP. Death Grip is your friend also.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LuE Colo (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

It's like you type text when you see text but you're not really understanding what you're responding with or to.--ScoobyDooDoobie 04:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

We are the dead

We are the dead of Dunell Hills, we are the omega of your little game.

We have not made our presence felt because we want to play nice and talk about putting on Shakespearian plays inside of police stations on your shitty forum. Rather, we march in lockstep towards the inexorable end of sustainable harman life in malton.

I am but a voice in the choir. We are Many.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dongles (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

We Are The Dead... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Efflux (talk • contribs) 06:16, February 26, 2008.

LUE talked like this once, then they got bored and left. Now let see if your group won't follow the same fate.--TheFlys 20:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

LUE never had 1300 in their horde.--DCC 21:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

This is also the exact same group that changed Urban Dead. They were known as The Many. Before that, zombies were a joke and the game was basically like the intro to Shaun of the Dead. Just stupid RPing with 1 or 2 zombies in every other suburb. It looks like they're going to change it again. Personally I think its good timing and if Kevan was smart, he would allow it as it's more money for him from advertising. Living on the edge of your seat refreshing until your IP maxes is better than just blowing it all on one sitting. Thats better motivation than whatever made up rules are made on this wiki. It's all up to the creator.--ScoobyDooDoobie 05:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember us ever saying we'd end the game, but it doesn't matter. 1300 is a large amount of zombies, and they could conceivably keep all the malls in zahmbah hands. That really doesn't matter except for making survivors feel like they itty bitty penises, but it could definitely be done. The problem is that it's all about Necrotechs. Now, if you had 1300 members playing a strategy like Extinction, sure you could win the game. It's just there's no way in hell you can get 1300 people to do that and have them stay around in the game because it's boring as hell. Mall and fort stomping is fun, holding resources buildings and watching the paint dry in them is not. And after a few months, even mall and fort stomping starts to get monotonous. I'm sure SA will have lots of success this time around, probably stir up a lot of shit for no reason again, but the game won't end. As a zombie player, I'd love to eat crow on that last one, though.--Insomniac By Choice 04:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Welcome to Urban Dead! I ran into your new horde near Nichols Mall, someone got a few XP out of my hide before I fled for my life. If you like, stop by Paradox Central and introduce yourselves in our Across the Barricades forum! http://z13.invisionfree.com/Paradox_Central/index.php?act=idx --Noobermenschen 20:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

the dead of of dunell Hills. record breaking number of zombies.... The man 00:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

• Offer rescinded after you split your membership into two groups. - Sir Fred of Etruria

Unacceptable

This is unacceptable. This page was neither requested nor endorsed by the group in question. It has been requested for deletion repeatedly, and mods continue to abuse their power in denying both requests and edits. The ridiculousness of the administration here astounds me. --Scabby 06:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The decision to leave a page here is discussed here -- boxy ^{talk • i} 07:50 26 February 2008 (BST)

Come on, SA, don't be gay about this. You're getting back into the game, you're going to try to "win" it, and if you keep people interested long enough to level up, you will. That's great. But if you don't want attention, all you had to do was not put in a group name at all. As it is, who cares if you get advertised?--Insomniac By Choice 06:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If you have a group of 1350 zombies, people will get very curious and if they can't find a group with such a name they will make a page. Whether SA likes it or not, there is something called FREEDOM OF SPEECH around here. The man 16:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to the internet or the wiki. There's a right to be informed that comes with wikis though.--Karek^maps?! 17:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So they're not allowed to edit their own page? --Sair 19:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The man is sort of right, a zombie horde that size will most likely have a page written about them even if they don't want one because people see a horde that size and will gather info and make a page about them.--Bill Striker ^C.I.A. 19:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

My version of this page (since it HAS to be here for FREEDOM OF SPEECH and because EVERY WIKI IS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA and because IT'S SO FUCKING GODDAMN IMPORTANT) was so much better than whatever the fuck that NPOV statement is. Did someone in the group write it? I suspect not. --Riseabove 20:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there any chance we could get this protected for members of the group like a regular protection instead of the same sysops that have been openly antagonistic towards anything the group does to try to represent themselves? If it's necessary that there's a nonblank page we'll do that but everyone's tired of all the text being written by your little wiki in-krew by now. --Riseabove 21:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Not possible, but if group members want to edit it, they can request it here. It's not advisable that it be unprotected, I have no doubt it will just turn into an edit war. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Every other group gets to edit their wiki page as they see fit. --Sair 21:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It might be best if some representatives of your group take your complaints to arbitration. Its one of the reasons arbitration is there, after all.--Seventythree^Talk 21:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

My group? --Sair 21:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I assumed you where a member, but yeah, some people from The Dead...--Seventythree^Talk 21:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Will arbitration end with the people who need to be demodded removed? Will it end the constant harassment of our group by people who hate the fact that we exist? Will we be allowed to edit our own group pages as we see fit without interference from others? Will our people stop being banned for bullshit reasons and rebanned just because someone feels like it? Unless you can actually accomplish any of this, then there is no reason to even bother with arbitration. --Laughing Man 22:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Will the giant stick up their collective asses finally be removed?!?! WE NEED TO KNOW! PS also de-mod most of them KTHXBYE --DCC 23:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration might sort out some of the issues that started all of this.--Seventythree^Talk 22:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

As a non sysop who's been itching for a case, I'm more than happy to arby.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The only way you could get us in arbitration is if you could assure a moderator that wasn't a WIKI WARRIOR AND DEFENDER OF TRUTH!!!!! Frankly there aren't too many people I've seen that meets that requirement. Theres a very clear general bias against SA, and against "outsiders". --Gregarious Instigator 22:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Both parties usualy agree on an arbiter. Arbitration is an established way of sorting out these problems, and (usualy) works. To be honest you have no grounds to complain about mistreatment or bias on the part of the wiki if you're not even going to try and follow an established method of sorting out your complaints.--Seventythree^Talk 22:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you saw the part where they recreated a deleted page,(all the protection drama llama) banned people on a whim, and were general douchebags when we tried going through an established method. Get the facts. --DCC 23:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no grounds to be wary of circlejerkery ruling the topic in favor of the moderation staff they (the rest of arbitration, community) up voted when they nominated themselves? The community has gone out of its way to show hostility to us from day one when they called us zergers, and haven't let up since. Well thats going a bit far. Those who have bothered to comment have shown hostility. Arbitrators may be agreed upon but that doesn't change the fact that we don't know who we can trust to arbitrate neutrally.--Gregarious Instigator 23:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Ur fonny.--Karek^maps?! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

RU MR GAY? --Gregarious Instigator 23:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE RESPOND.--Karek^maps?! 23:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

AINT NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH--Gregarious Instigator 23:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

V-Tech Just Kicked In Yo.--Karek^maps?! 23:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

NICE JOB INSERTING THIS WITHOUT ME NOTICING, NEEDLE DICK. --Gregarious Instigator 23:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well as a non moderator, I still offer my serivce. Not all us pubbies are that bad. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 23:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

All the arbitration cases are archived so you can go through them to see how varoius arbitraters act. Hell, I'd arbitrate this case. I realy don't know you guys very much, and I've got nothing againgst you in any real way. Failing that I'm sure you can find someone who would be neutral. In fact, rosslessness might be a better bet, he's fair and unbiased and I might be a bit too busy soon.--Seventythree^Talk 23:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It is being investigated.--Gregarious Instigator 23:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd say he'd do a good job.--Seventythree^Talk 22:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If and when you guys decide to arby it up i'd be interested, i've never had a case and i'd say i'm sufficiently anti-establishment.--xoxo 05:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You know you're all a bunch of fucking idiots, right? The wiki is for information. If the group does not want to create a group page on the wiki, the rest of us reserve the right to create a data page and allow a redirect. This is how it was with the heathers and this is how it will be here. Either SA get off their fucking lazy asses and create a group page or I'm going to start a data page on my user account RIGHT NOW . Honestly, SA should have been perma-banned from the wiki for all this shit they've caused.The man 23:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Perma banned? We're probably the reason why Kevan is able to finally afford a new rice cooker from all these brand new IP hits to his mediocre game. I also find it cute that you're calling people lazy on the internet over a free game that can be played by any jack-off on the planet. Maybe you should redirect some of that ego into something worthwhile like getting out of your parents' basement.--ScoobyDooDoobie 02:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank god someone named THE MAN came along to put us in our place. We probably would have continued on if not for this noble, humble figure! --Gregarious Instigator 00:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

That redirect was a 100% dick move that had nothing to do with providing information and everything to do with "well I'm a mod so I can flaunt the rules and get backed up on it". "All the shit that was caused" has everything to do with butthurt DHPD faggots and stupid self-righteous wikicop sysops. We got off our lazy asses and edited out the stupid redirect bullshit RIGHT AWAY. tyfyc The man. --Riseabove 01:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

They're right that it shouldn't have been a redirect, their actions weren't right but, they are right on that.--Karek^maps?! 02:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Karek, aren't we allowed to make a redirect if a group page is not to be allowed? By the way, SA, if you think this game is mediocre why are you playing it? fucking idiots... I think its you who needs to go out and get a life, not me. The man 18:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

We play this game for comments like this. As you furiously hit the refresh button our boners get bigger and bigger to the point where we are unable to leave our homes. This is the catalyst of our joy, knowing that you're staying inside on a Saturday night while the few friends you have are out enjoying their lives. So please keep typing more love. It's sex to my eyes.--ScoobyDooDoobie 19:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hit the refresh button? whu? You clearly have no idea at all who I am. I just made my post and left for a good 4 days. You honestly think I care about you losers? hah... You know, we both share the same goal: obliterate malton and try to win the game. However, I can assure you that I will never lower myself to your immature, ignorant, and hypocritical level.The man 16:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Because I'm THE MAN and I have STANDARDS!! --Gregarious Instigator ^{SHUT UP | RIGHTS | PETITION} 17:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

THE MAN tellin it like it is on our wiki page cause he doesn't care about us. Word. --Riseabove 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

A Suggestion

If I may make a suggestion concerning this...controversy: This page has a precedent. The Heathers had a page made for them by groups desperate for information on them. Perhaps, if the wiki mods and those 'higher authorities' would be sensible, they would take heed of the Data/Heathers page, and take this non-POV content to a page called Data/The dead of the Dunell Hills, turn this page into a redirect to a disambiguation page which would hold two links - The Data/The dead of the Dunell Hills, and a The dead of the Dunell Hills/group page.
I'm sure this is now not an issue, because SA has changed their name to The Dead, but still, did nobody think of this earlier?--DT^PK 00:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Something somewhat similar was done, they complained about that too.--Karek^maps?! 17:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Somewhat Similar? Oh, of course. And here I thought the wiki was held together by precedent, insane beurocrats, and drama. I see now that that it's held together by the last two only. Meh. --DT^PK 14:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I meant the DHPD thing, although I don't believe that a redirect was the best idea I do believe that moving it to a page called Data/The dead of Dunell Hills makes little sense, what's the point of it other than to make the information hidden away somewhere? And if it's a redirect from the main group page then what does it solve? I know nohting of the Heathers drama, I do know that for the most part this argument here about the page content has died(was kinda done before this suggestion even.) and they've even changed their groups name(and made a page themselves) so this page is basically irrelevant except for historical and informational purposes. Doing the "Heathers" thing would, most likely, either lead to the page being vandalsed or making baseless accusations against their group(I notice both the Zerging thing and the FU alts things are very notable on the Data/Heathers page.)--Karek^maps?! 23:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

We would kick up a shit storm. The handling (or lack of) with our new page is the right choice on the part of the sysop staff. -- Gregarious Instigator ^{SHUT UP | RIGHTS | PETITION} 23:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The new page was much better done, it makes it very clear what you're here to do and that you're a zombie group, that's really all we needed for the wiki.--Karek^maps?! 23:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Shut up you're a faggot

Here is the precedent on the Heathers page, as you can see, it was deemed to be unacceptable that the group page (or place where a group page should be in the case of groups with no wiki page) be redirected to a page written by their enemies. That is what happened in this case as well, the redirect to the DHPD page was taken out, and a neutral stub page written for them by an uninvolved party (me in this case). It's not perfect, but was made necessary by the situation -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:43 3 March 2008 (BST)

Except that the Heathers were allowed to edit their own page, right? They never got a locked Neutral POV on theirs. So...what gives? Does size really matter? If I recall, FedCom and company stirred up a shitstorm over the Heathers as well. And if it's vandalism you're worried about, Pathetic Bill has had numerous vandals on their page, and nobody locked the page over that. Disallowing a group from editing their own page is extremely irregular. In fact, if their is precedent for the locking of an extremely active group page without the groups approval, I'd love to see it, and the reasons behind it. Obviously this page is obsolete, but it's not this page specifically that concerns me. I'm worried that the Administration has been a bit too hasty in this decision, and is a bit too unwilling to adjust their perhaps unwise decisions. --DT^PK 15:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The edit wars and numerous vandal cases made the protection necessary. It would have been lifted in sort order, if there could have been some clear indication that a consistent group page would have been created (constant edit wars, even amongst group members, attracts to much A/VB drama), but a lot of the TDODH's members were saying they didn't want a page, so that's what they got, no group page, just a NPOV statement and a blank stub. Sure, there were some bad decisions made by numerous sysops, but they would have been sorted out if more of the members of this group could have debated/negotiated with them, and been a bit more patient -- boxy ^{talk • i} 08:33 4 March 2008 (BST)