UDWiki:Open Discussion/Wiki Status

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Current Wiki Status

Say what you want about the current sysops, but this era has seen the least amount of uncategorized images, uncategorized pages, and unused files. The disambiguation links were fixed and many of the merged locations have been fixed. If we could come up with a way to deal with orphaned pages (other than linking the few that shouldn't be orphans in the first place) I have a feeling those would be under control, too.

Other Sysop Functions

Other than bitching about A/VB, A/D, A/SD, and A/M is there any other area that needs to be worked on? I'm curious about what other janitorial tasks that everyone feels needs to be done.

My Thoughts

Personally,.... I think that many of the moderators do an excellent job. My only wish is for them to come out into the lime light a little more. It seems to me like there is so much being done, between moderating discussions on policies, maintaining pages (i.e, A/SD, A/D, ect.), Vandalism Cases, Moderation, and Arbitration that they don't always get as much credit as they deserve. I think it would be cool to thank them in some way, perhaps by having a [single] page logging all changes made by moderators. It could be organized by moderator, with a list of their changes beneath them, that way the community would know exactly how much they do,.... instead of Bitching like some people do. --Poodle of doom 20:54, 20 July 2009 (BST)

well, thank you for the comment. I know it is supposed to be a janitorial job and you shouldn't expect gratitude for it. I personally keep a page (for myself) of what I have done on here. It would be nice if the other sysops did something like that too so that if I get bored with what I am working on I can help them out. --– Nubis ^NWO 21:04, 20 July 2009 (BST)

It would be nice if every moderator had something like this. Like I said, you guys are never thanked enough for what you really do. And in most cases, your decisions are overly just (always giving people the benifit of the doubt, always fair for all). It would be nice to have something like this update automatically when a moderator makes a change. -Poodle of doom 22:18, 20 July 2009 (BST)

"Don't be a dick" that should be a rule --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 16:17, 11 August 2009 (BST)

No it shouldn't. As much as I hate to trot out this line (mainly because I have to do it so often), sysops are not moderators. People in general shouldn't be overly gratituitous dicks, but apart from their conduct in official matters (which should definitely be civil) there is nothing that separates sysops from regular users in terms of behaviour requirements. Cyberbob  Talk  14:34, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Being More ProActive

What a lot of sops do, is have their own personal projects. Nubis' are above, I'm slightly obsessed with the other cities. Swiers had Iwitness, the list goes on. Would people like a list of areas on the wiki that need improvements? We need images of a something message in game, search rates in clubs data, that kind of thing? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:19, 20 July 2009 (BST)

You mean something listing stubs, and things that are a little outdated? That would be nice if the moderators could set something up like that. It could operate similarly to the Recent Changes, where it will show things that haven't been updated in [X] Number of Days, the point of which would be to have the community activly involved in keeping the wiki up to date. That said, if you are talking like things that need to be deleted, or changed,... thats what the Speedy Deletions, and Wiki Talk sections are for. -Poodle of doom 22:20, 20 July 2009 (BST)

I think she means things like - This is a new skill - what does the in-game message read for it? Or this is a new item - where are you finding it the most? All of these would be quite helpful actually. Not to mention, I love your work on the locations images, Rossie. That was a great idea. Things that, IDK, get this wiki back to be an information fucking source and not some creepy ass RPing drama shit storm? just sayin'-- #99 ^DCC 02:38, 21 July 2009 (BST)

Who's a she? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:37, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Say when was the last time we had a female as a sysops anyway? If we ever had one that is?--Thadeous Oakley 13:20, 12 August 2009 (BST)

So I guess you guys are just completely not believing Nubis, huh. Cyberbob  Talk  13:22, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Nubis totally has a vagoo.-- #99 ^DCC 17:06, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Wa?--Thadeous Oakley 13:24, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Read this. Also Katthew was a sysop briefly in the very early days of the wiki (she was one of the original lot IIRC but Kevan demoted her). Cyberbob  Talk  13:28, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Ah transsexualism, and I always thought Nubis represented an all new form of sex besides man/woman...And Kevan actually meddling in wiki affairs? Man, that must have been the wiki prehistory.--Thadeous Oakley 13:40, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Actually Kevan was more or less the main player in promotions until the bureaucrat system was really implemented, which happened in late-ish 2006 when Vista and Xoid were given the job. Cyberbob  Talk  13:48, 12 August 2009 (BST)

It switched around a bit: First it was Kevan who promoted a couple of people (Spiro, Katthew, Morlock, Daranz, LibrarianBrent, 'STER and Odd Starter), this all happened in late 2005. Odd Starter got made a bureaucrat in early 2006 and set up the promotions page. He promoted a couple of people (Zaruthustra, Novelty) until the Amazing saga which got him being demoted.

Kevan then ran the system (he promoted several of the old hands, including me, Hagnat, Grim, Conndraka, Nubis, Xoid, Cyberbob and Jedaz and a couple of other people who are no longer active). After that we set up the current bureaucrat promotions system which we have today. Anyway, that's the end of this history lesson :P.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 12:52, 14 August 2009 (BST)

J3D had 2 Cool, ALiM, great fire, the list goes on! Problem was the pages were so awesome the wiki self combusted on a fateful day known as 2/10/08 (or 10/2/08 for your crazy americans) when the pure awesanity of ALiMs birthday caused the wiki to crash for 7 hours. --xoxo 08:23, 12 August 2009 (BST)

The one thing I've been meaning to look into for ages has been the absolutely insane number of double redirects (and there's a good reason I've only been meaning to do it for so long). Apart from that I don't see anything hugely in need of work, but I suck at spotting things that don't show up on any of the Special: pages. Cyberbob  Talk  15:46, 12 August 2009 (BST)

I wouldn't do any of those, they seem to want to double redirect to a merged locations page, which needs unmerging anyways. So the coordinates are fine, the locations should be locations and merged locations should be unmerged and deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:10, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Well that's one of the reasons why I haven't done anything about them (apart from the sheer size of the task) - there's a couple of ways in which they could be dealt with andadsfdfgI'm too tired to be wiki-inggoodnight.Cyberbob  Talk  16:13, 12 August 2009 (BST)

From what I've noticed, the biggest problem on the wiki is outdated-ness. There still are articles that cite obsolite information, a few buildings with incomplete search rates, etc. On top of that all, resources that require regular upkeep, like the Building Information Center and to a lesser extent Necrowatch, are severly out of date, with only a few contributors. Fixing this, of course, would require a fairly large outreach on the community (I still think there should be a reminder on the front page to help update the BIC).--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 02:17, 13 August 2009 (BST)

I've been meaning to update UDWiki:Job Queue for a while, so it can actually serve as a passage for users to keep the entire wiki clean and updated, ie. administration, housecleaning, categorising, suburb archival, closing votes on time, etc. I think if we could find a page that acted as the complete housecleaning portal for the most active of wikizens, we could have a lot of help with those a) annoying projects Ross mentioned above and b) the regular periodic maintenance that any user can do, but are still only done by Sysops anyway. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:54, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Yeah, good point. I remember Ross creating a page of "general maintenance stuff" a while ago - the stuff that pretty much always needs doing, such as categorizations, etc. A job queue revival sounds like a good idea, along with a short-term projects page that has just that on it (short-term projects.) Linkthewindow  Talk  05:59, 13 August 2009 (BST)

I'm happy to work with this further on the Job Queue talk page- we'll need to categorise stuff that has dynamic timeframes, such as deletion votes, promotion candidacies, suggestions votings, stuff like that, and see how we can implement them into a list on the queue. Just general stuff. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:30, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Damn. What did I call that page? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:25, 14 August 2009 (BST)

I don't know, tis a shame. Bump me if you find it again? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:50, 14 August 2009 (BST)

self-congratulations are order!

a first in wiki history: this particular group of sysops is openly panhandling for hero cookies! --WanYao 13:02, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Not really. Cyberbob  Talk  13:11, 12 August 2009 (BST)

"This group"? As in, Nubis? Learn your history tab. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:34, 12 August 2009 (BST)

you should ix-nay this whole frothing-with-lame-vitriol-whenever-wanyao-speaks routine, DDR... it makes you look like bill o'reilly. --WanYao 13:52, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Rather than rather than laughing about "hero cookies" as though literally everything any sysop does to try and improve things is a popularity grab and nothing else, shouldn't you be genuinely happy that (for whatever reason, whether it be something you've done or not) an attempt is being made to make the wiki better and to get some discussion going on how to do so? I'm not having a go, I just would've thought that you would be happy about something like this rather than leery. Cyberbob  Talk  14:00, 12 August 2009 (BST)

You got over your 'cry "ad hominem" at every opportunity' phase, it seems. I totally called it, too. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:04, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Please can we not start down this road, at least not here. Keep it on the user talk pages. Cyberbob  Talk  14:06, 12 August 2009 (BST)

I would prefer not to have this conversation at all. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:11, 12 August 2009 (BST)

So don't. Participation in any internet conversation is entirely voluntary. Cyberbob  Talk  14:15, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Not when you're compelled to get the last word in.--xoxo 14:21, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Indeed.--Thadeous Oakley 14:45, 12 August 2009 (BST)

And nice work deflecting the fact that you were so, so wrong, with the use of irrelevant personal comments... it makes you look like zombie o'lord. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:14, 12 August 2009 (BST)

nooooooowhydidyoudothat Cyberbob  Talk  15:15, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Why the fuck not? I'm not the one who's blatantly wrong. If you don't like it, just ignore it. This whole header that Wan created is never going to be on topic, it can never be salvaged into a decent conversation about the wiki's status, or anything, the whole attempt at stirring up drama is almost sickening. That is all. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:21, 12 August 2009 (BST)

The more times you reply to him in a caustic fashion the more you're buying into his drama-stirring, you know. If you can't counter what he's saying without being dramagenic (yesss I made a new word) yourself you should probably just not reply. Cyberbob  Talk  15:27, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Similarly to you. For someone trying to overlook it from a higher, less intrusive position you aren't succeeding so much. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:30, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Trouble in paradise? ;)--CyberRead240 15:35, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Could you hand me the popcorn and bananas, dear Sir? --Thadeous Oakley 15:58, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Show me where I have been combative in this conversation, or indeed anywhere on this page. I'm not talking about a total cold shoulder, I'm talking about only posting if you can find a way to do so without being aggressive because you know where that's going to end up. I really want this page to be as drama-free as possible. Cyberbob  Talk  15:39, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Cyberbob240 said:

I really want this page to be as drama-free as possible

Sorry, but that had to be done for irony's sake. Seriously? --Thadeous Oakley 15:53, 12 August 2009 (BST)

No, and you're not being particularly helpful. Cyberbob  Talk  15:54, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Well okay, because you always treated me so nicely in the past I'll play ball for now.-Thadeous Oakley 15:57, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Wan suck MY dick

Nubis and the crew do a lot of fucking work on this shit hole little wiki that they don't shove down your throats like J3D's LOOK AT ME ATTENTION WHORE CREW and the other shitheads that have signatures longer than their names to showcase their pissant little RP fag circle jerks. They do the grunt work because it needs to be fucking done and you self righteous little prigs sure as hell aren't lifting a gods damned finger to improve this place. As a matter of fact, with your latest little whining against the OVERPOWERFUL SYSOP THIRD REICH and making demotion a fucking HUG BOX popularity vote the sysops are going to need something like this to actually show you little asshats that they do more than piss you off by saying you can't fucking have your porn on here and just because someone makes a newbie mistake doesn't mean they have to be permed. Now why don't you take your little butt hurt self and go piss off to where ever the fuck Iscariot is hiding these days?- #99 ^DCC 17:04, 12 August 2009 (BST)

There there, calm down. No need to get so worked up. Also, would you mind parting your text with the enter button a bit more, that way it doesn't read like a wall.--Thadeous Oakley 17:22, 12 August 2009 (BST)

People are either going to read it or they aren't.

Spaces

won't

matter

much

to

them.-- #99 ^DCC 21:39, 12 August 2009 (BST)

It does make your words easier to read and prettier to the eye. And while it won't make a huge difference, it will make your point easier to get across. And the fact whether people read it or not in the first place is partly decided by how you present your text. This works this way in any letter-based discussion. Text-composing is an important skill to master in life, DCC. For example, I highly doubt you write job application letters in the same manner you did above. --Thadeous Oakley 22:24, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Dear prospective employer,
Please suck MY dick, you self righteous little prig...

Hey, you're right, the carriage return does make that totally professional. Awesome! And Thad... the max. image height for sigs is 14px, fix yours plz -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 22:43 12 August 2009 (BST)

less swearing for a start... unless he is unemployed :) --Honestmistake 22:45, 12 August 2009 (BST)

Nice Boxman, but if you paid attention you would have known that I was only talking about leaving gaps in his text to reduce the "wall" aspect of it.--Thadeous Oakley 00:06, 13 August 2009 (BST)

typical op paying attention to anything and just waltzing about spewing their opinions and contribs down our throats. zomgosh.--xoxo 01:02, 13 August 2009 (BST)

And you miss that sooooooooooooo much you bitter little fuckstick. -- #99 ^DCC 17:22, 13 August 2009 (BST)

yawn --WanYao 05:28, 13 August 2009 (BST)

BRILLIANT! Throw in "ad homininm" here too plz.-- #99 ^DCC 17:27, 13 August 2009 (BST)

yeah i dont know why he's so in love with the ops all of a sudden...--xoxo 08:02, 13 August 2009 (BST)

because noobface is a fellow lolzords intranetz forum follower. Basically, they buttfuck.--CyberRead240 08:20, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Or maybe it's because we troll the biggest group of retards on here and right now it seems to be the COMMUNITY. And when the dead shit was happening old Nubbie was MIA on the op pages. Except that one vandalism case against him for copying the DHPD page on to his User page. L2History. -- #99 ^DCC 17:27, 13 August 2009 (BST)

They've always been buttfucking. but when the dead stuff was happening and nubis was an op dcc hated the ops...--xoxo 08:39, 13 August 2009 (BST)

It's actually much more simple than you think. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 08:34, 13 August 2009 (BST)

and the answer is?--xoxo 08:39, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Do tell! No, wait. Don't say a word. I'm not going to have time to come up with more profanity filled posts today.-- #99 ^DCC 17:27, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Dw hes working on it haha--CyberRead240 10:33, 13 August 2009 (BST)

DCC, with all due respect I ask you to learn how to reply correctly to people time wise. I'm getting rather tired of fixing your small yet annoying mistakes. You are past the newbie stage. Now could kindly comply with what that, okay? --Thadeous Oakley 17:35, 13 August 2009 (BST)

If it is vandalism then report it k? If not then just read it in the order it is posted and try to figure out what it could possibly be a response to. It's not like I hide who I am talking to you pedantic fuck, Thad. -- #99 ^DCC 14:00, 14 August 2009 (BST)

You going to fix these too so you can feel important? -- #99 ^DCC 14:00, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Asshats...... so willing to turn a blind eye to the sysops misbehavoir --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 21:50, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Maybe less drama, probably more

The thing that I never seem to understand in a lot of Death to the sops type stuff, is what alternative do people want? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:48, 13 August 2009 (BST)

If I got the signals right, some kind of anarchy. --Thadeous Oakley 18:47, 13 August 2009 (BST)

I think its out with the old, and lets start over. Lets face it, the ops have been here since before I was here, ancient. The new ones in now are failed old ops and ones chosen by the dinosaurs.--CyberRead240 03:13, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Age of the sysopship isn't the issue. There are plenty of policy changes that happen all the time. And with the wiki lawyers and red tape it isn't like they can go rogue with power. Even when something needs to be done about a problem getting it fixed is an ordeal and a half. And with the number of sysops that have tried to come up with more workable ways to distribute the power and balance the system it isn't like the old guard is circling the wagons.

The problem is there is no moderation which is what the wiki really needs. Crats really need to have a moderation power since they are the ones actually 100% voted in by the community. Yet they don't have any extra authority at all. What's the point? This never made sense to me because if some Crat is abusing their power you can A/M them and then vote them out. Now with that new "policy" the sysops don't get any extra authority yet can still be removed. Where is the balance in that? --– Nubis ^NWO 14:11, 14 August 2009 (BST)

There's always an element of "death to the admins" at any website, but it's more pronounced here (probably, unlike most forums, we allow criticism of the rules.) Linkthewindow  Talk  07:45, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Probably, unlike most forums, they suck more here.--xoxo 12:15, 14 August 2009 (BST)

If you're so right, how about you answer Ross' question? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:27, 14 August 2009 (BST)

how about you answer my question near the bottom of the header above this one. And in order to not be accused of avoiding the question - well i don't have an answer but i don't consider myself in the death to the sops crowd. I think the system isn't perfect but i certainly don't want you all dead. --xoxo 12:31, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Fair enough. The answer to the above was that DCC doesn't necessarily love the sysops at all- of course, he may, but my guess is that it's just a matter of who he hates least- ops or Wan. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:34, 14 August 2009 (BST)

That and (my POV would be) he has any sort of intelligence to realise that wan is just so, so, so, so wrong and has proved as much multiple times, example being his initial shitstirring comment on this page in the first place. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:36, 14 August 2009 (BST)

DCC and Wan have a history of not getting along. DCC and everyone have a history of not getting along, but sometimes he makes a good point (in the midst of the profanity and homo-erotic references). He has decreased the amount of times he calls people Fags finally. DCC has also actually made good contributions to this wiki in the past so I can understand his frustration. Which is sad that the whole Dead shit storm made people forget them. --– Nubis ^NWO 14:18, 14 August 2009 (BST)

I dunno if he started on the wiki with the dead stuff, but that was the first time i came across him. And as they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.--xoxo 14:39, 14 August 2009 (BST)

DCC actually wrote a bunch of "history" sections on locations. Admittedly, a lot of it was sarcastic making Dunell Hills seem like a ghetto, but it was clever. (it was also a way to get the needed 250 edits to get rid of a vandal case)

This is the kind of edit that makes me hate this wiki. [1] Why delete the content that was there for stupid group propaganda? --– Nubis ^NWO 20:46, 14 August 2009 (BST)

We want a system that can demote sysops through popular vote --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 21:52, 14 August 2009 (BST)

I lost it at "We". --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:14, 16 August 2009 (BST)

Shits so alim.--xoxo 00:25, 16 August 2009 (BST)