Talk:East Becktown

PLEB?

Removed the following from the pre-amble:

It is currently occupied by a group known as the People's Liberation of East Becktown, who have been trying to regulate barricades, and defend the area from zombie incursions.

PLEB isn't currently regulating barricades as they are all wide open. Question if PLEB is active? Their wiki hasn't been updated since Dec. '07. --ZaqWer 18:09, 22 July 2008 (BST)

Barricade Plan

Are you aware that your barricade plan is a kind of Berlin Wall for anyone coming in from the west? Look at it, you have a SOLID WALL of EHB on the west side, that is DEADLY. I recently tried to make a dash into E Becktown on lowish AP admittedly... and had to go all the back where I came from because of this "Becktown Wall." This will certainly hurt not just newbs, but anyone needing to find an entry point to a safehouse -- especially if they happen to be low on AP... say their buildings got swarmed??

Put a couple entry points somewhere in that sea of EBH... Club Bragge would be great, nice and central, but maybe too out of the way at the very end of the wing, so too hard to enforce. So how about the factory or Rideout Museum? And in the North Wing, add an EP, say at the warehouse 22,32...

Seriously... you barricade policy is unsafe. Just 2 VSB -- heck even only 1 -- entry points would fix it. I hope someone notices this and fixes it. Thanks. --WanYao 13:57, 9 August 2007 (BST)

Colours

Changed Richmond Hills to a pink colour - thats ffcccc - for reference. For 
several days now there have been zombies leaking in over the eastern border and 
now apparently the Red-eye Republic have set up shop there. Not sure how 
serious the situation is... but perhaps worth an alert.
--Perikles 12:09, 9 Oct 2005 (BST)

Not to say that I doubt that these suburbs could be dangerous, but I don't think it's neccesary to note that on the map. I think that the suburb colorization in the mapbox should probably be limited to dangerous activity that will most likely be prolonged; something that should deter someone from traveling or staying there. Not that I think you're not trying to be helpful, it just seems that these are too difficult to verify, and become quickly outdated; zombie hordes are almost always on the move. If you really want to show this information on the page, at least mention it in the text, with a timestamp. So that it can be easily checked for viability, and removed when outdated. --Raelin 22:07, 24 Oct 2005 (BST)

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PLEB are currently working on the assumption that if we are updating and checking the page on a daily basis, and actively gathering reports about our neighbouring suburbs, particularly those with significant recent zombie activity (Darvall Heights, Eastonwood, Richmond Hills, and Haverton), then colorisation is fine.

The current (--05:06, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)) status of the map boxes (and in order of percieved threat severity) is as follows:

• Darvall Heights - currently overrun by a zombie horde (CotR).
• Eastonwood - CotR have now moved into western Darvall Heights, however, unaligned zombie activity has yet to die down. We expect to be able to change the colour to normal, soon.
• Haverton - The horde has apparently started to head away from Haverton, so this should drop soon.
• Richmond Hills - currently occupied by a new zombie group who have made the suburb significantly more dangerous than it was. Will be downgraded if their activity level drops.
• East Becktown - Although we've seen a surge of activity since the CotR turned up, only the imminent threat of invasion warrants the current colour.

The only one of these reports that might be considered a prolonged threat, is Richmond Hills due to the Red Eye Republic setting up shop there, but merely marking this suburb would give a dangerously incorrect impression about local zombie activity.

If anyone thinks differently, then edit this page, and add your thoughts! The above is merely what we are currently doing, and we are amenable to change. :)

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Ars Requiem respectfully submits that the East Becktown History section is little more than PLEB propaganda and has only a partial basis in fact. As a zombie group of over 70 members operating in East Becktown since November 2005, we feel we have some perspective on the area. That it differs from the PLEB party line does not thereby invalidate it. --John Ember 15:39, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT)

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PLEB respectfully suggests that Ars Requiem should feel free to add some items of historical fact, if they believe that the record is incomplete. However, none of the current items appear inaccurate or propagandising. If there are any specific criticisms, please detail them, and we'll be very happy to make amendments. --Han 14:29, 3 Feb 2006 (GMT)

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As there's been no further input on the NPOV issue for two weeks, I'm removing the dispute label. If anyone would like to restore it and re-start the discussion with some specific points, please do so! --Han 12:07, 17 Feb 2006 (GMT)

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Telephone mast down. --William Raker 17:32, 11 April 2006 (BST)

current state

i just took a little stroll through this palce as a zed and dicoverd mostly all buildings have been baracaded on the eastern side, with most buildings haveing zeds outside —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cody6 (talk • contribs) .

Phone Mast status report

If you time, can we get you to update http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Mobile_Phone_Mast#Locations with the current status of your local phone mast? Thanks. Asheets 20:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply, indicating that you are active in this suburb. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
The Crimson Clan	26 January 2010	Removed
Malton Fire Department	26 January 2010	Removed
Malton Forensics Unit	26 January 2010	Removed
Malton Police Department	26 January 2010	Removed
Soldiers of Crossman	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Daubeney Resident Zambahz	26 January 2010	Confirmed
Edge of Extinction	26 January 2010	Removed
This suburb has been cleared. Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2010 team. Thanks. Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation as we cleaned up the group listings for this suburb. Your help in reaching out to groups and replying to our requests has been much appreciated. Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply with a list of suburbs in which you are active. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
The Preston Arms (group)	18:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)	Removed
Soldiers of Crossman	18:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)	Confirmed
U.B.C.S	18:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)	Removed
Daubeney Resident Zambahz	18:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)	Confirmed
User responsible for contacting groups in this suburb: --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 19:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2011 team. Thanks. --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 19:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who helped. The great suburb group massacre has finished and as a result The Preston Arms (group) and U.B.C.S have been removed from the suburb group listing. Dead Hand was added during the process and presumed active.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 18:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Notification

Over the coming weeks/months, the East Becktown Defenders will provide both the suburb and as many locations in it as possible with flavour text, a clear history and a decent lay-out. We commit to making these entertaining to read for everyone on the wiki and as neutral as possible. We WILL NOT use this as a propaganda tool and mentions of the EBD will be few and far between, and mostly restricted to recent events, if any. We WILL use information gathered on this wiki to compose the histories of locations, including pages provided by both active and defunct groups on either side of the living/undead scale.

If you encounter anything that is factually incorrect or that you don't want published about your group, feel free to say so in the appropriate location's talk page or by contacting any of our members.

PB&J 12:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

ebd sit rep

This should not be near the top as it is POV. This suburb page design is also nonstandard. The history section should be moved higher on the page and the POV section should be removed. Thoughts? Brains? HAMBARGAH? -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 07:32, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Peralta and I created this version of the East Becktown page just under two years ago and back when we implemented the change noone seemed to have an issue with it. We felt that the layout of the suburb pages were tired and old, so we redesigned the page to be a bit more exciting. All important information is still on there, just the layout has changed to have the most important stuff at the top instead of in the clunky design the pages have always had. While the EBD Sit Rep appears to be POV, it's actually using information from the wiki building danger statuses, we just created lines for it to use as it updates with any status updates. We were potentially planning to do all the suburbs, but we had spent 2-3 months on the EB page that we just never got around to doing more than that page.

I honestly don't see an issue with the page as it is right now. We expanded on the suburb history, so that is why it is at the bottom since it is so comprehensive now. All that really changed was the layout. Everything else functions as it always has. stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 11:06, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

What are your thoughts on the bias Gardenator? Other than the danger map at the top left, it's the same info that would be placed on the right column of a suburb page. Personally, I'm a fan of the Danger Centre (?) map that uses individual building reports to paint a picture of the status of a surbub. I think it is much less likely to be POV than a generic suburb status. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted to edit the recent events without editing the whole page. Should be fixed now. The layout is nonstandard, but then was there a standard or is it more of a guide to keep each suburb page the same? For the EBD sit rep, the main POV thing would be that it is from the EBD. In other words, would I (or another zombie only player) be allowed to edit it with new info? I just glanced at the source page for it earlier. It is autogenerated? I am posting from my phone so don't want to have too many windows open. However, looking at the detailed history, I see no mention of The Dead, which strikes me as odd. I am sure we went through the suburb several times in 08 and '11. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 16:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok so... the EBD Sit Rep? We wrote the flavour text, however the entire thing calls on the building danger report, so the EBD itself doesn't physically change what it says as it was created as a cycle and is dependant on whatever the building statuses are. We kept all flavour text neutral tbh, none of it is really EBD specific. And like I said, the game is old, the wiki is old and tired, Peralta and I wanted to inject some new excitement to the wiki, so we did. Everything on the page was on the page before, so we haven't removed all the important side bar stuff. As for no mention of The Dead, we went through the DEM archives and whatever else we could get our hands on, and nothing seems to have mentioned The Dead at all. stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 21:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah game is old and I agree that something on a main page should not be altered without a good cause. It is funny that we like to hate on RP players but then I get caught wondering why they did not add our group to the epic tale of a suburbs history. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 21:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Chiming in here (a bit late) since I wrote most of the history. I went through a massive amount of group pages, building and suburb statuses, etc. so I'm confident I covered *most* of the history, but I'm also well aware of the fact that I'm a flawed human being and might have mussed some stuff :) If so, feel free to add it in there! PB&J 13:40, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

It's a wiki... if The Dead were at any point involved in the suburb's history, there's nothing stopping you from adding it in as long as it's accurate. stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 02:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

To answer your specific question, the EBD report is autogenerated from the building DangerStatuses — if those are updated, then the report will update with them. I can understand an argument for changing the title of the section to "latest sitrep" or something like that, if there were multiple groups consistently active in the suburb and on-wiki. But since it's pretty much just the EBD (I don't think the DRZ use the wiki at all, and SoC are based a suburb north) I don't see a prublem with the sitrep as it stands.

As for the suburb page layout, there's no official layout set by wiki policy. Originally the East Becktown rework was done with the idea that if it went well, the new layout could be applied to the rest of the suburbs, but that's a lot of work that just hasn't happened in the subsequent two years. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)