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Roftwood Wiki Page Header 10: Barricade Plan

The map layout in the Roftwood wiki barricade plan could use an update. It should list 'RP' at Swansborough Park and Turpin Road. I believe those should be the only two revive points in Roftwood because of easy access from the adjacent Necrotech buildings and they are the most actively attended. Where could I go to start a discussion about this? Thanks! --ZombGG (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

From the looks of it, there aren't any active scientist groups in the business of maintaining RPs. So in lieu of such a group, maybe you'd want to ask Bob Moncrief or Stelar on their talk page. You probably won't get any attention on this page from the looks of things. I wish you the best of luck. Dummy991 (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and guidance! O will contact Bob Moncrief and see where this goes! --ZombGG (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011

All suburb wiki pages are undergoing a clean up to remove inactive groups from the group listing (see here: this suburb's groups). If you are a group currently listed in this suburb, you will be contacted on your group's talk page within the next few days and asked to reply with a list of suburbs in which you are active. Groups that fail to reply within two weeks of being contacted will automatically be removed from the suburbs where they are listed.

We're posting here in the hopes that more groups will be aware of the clean up and can respond appropriately, since our team does not have the time nor the manpower to seek out every group in-game or track down its group members elsewhere on the wiki. If you know that some groups in your suburb do not check the wiki, please be a good neighbor and let them know that they NEED to check it for this, or else they will be unlisted in the near future.

The wiki members coordinating the cleanup will be using the table below to track their progress in communicating with the various groups. Please do not edit it if you are not involved with The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011 team.

The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011
Group Name	Contacted On	Date Due
The Boondock Saints	07:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)	Removed
Malton Forensics Unit	07:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC) (by Vap)	Removed
Malton Medical Staff	13:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC) (by spiderzed)	Removed
[[Quartly Study Group]]	----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 01:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)07:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)	Reverted
Ridleybank Resistance Front	23:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC) (by Mis)	Confirmed
Pagans	22:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC) (by Yon)	Removed
Rebels	07:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)	Removed
This suburb has been cleared. •▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Please check your group's talk pages in the next few weeks, and respond promptly when you receive a communication from the GSGM2011 team. Thanks. †hana†ologis† (talk) 07:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation as we cleaned up the group listings for this suburb. Your help in reaching out to groups and replying to our requests has been much appreciated. •▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 03:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Updating Roftwood's radio transmitting buildings?

To increase the accessibility of communication for the survivors in Roftwood should the buildings that house radio transmitters be marked on the suburb map? And be updated like mobile phone mast and revive points etc as well as a subheading describing which buildings have transmitters in them as well as the level at which they should be barricaded. --Tess Eks (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Not sure how much demand there is for such an endeavor, but I'm sure as a project for Roftwood it may certainly be possible to maintain a rather accurate list of radio transmitter locations. You might want to get some direction from the sysops or some other senior member of the wiki if you want to proceed with your plan. Happy editing and good luck! Dummy991 (TALK) 23:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

If you'd like to keep a separate list of radio transmitter locations, that's all good, but as they're not permanent fixtures (destroyable by zombies/RKers) they don't belong on the suburb map. I'd say your best bet is to update a given building's DangerReport and mention if there's a radio in the building. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 13:42, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

Hildebrand Mall and the local resource buildings have come under sustained attack by zombie forces. The mall, Herbert NT and several other buildings have been sacked by the Ridleybank Resistance Front's Gore Corps. --LordMoloch (talk) 01:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Sacked my ass. We will be back shortly. If you didn't use the Gore Corps as a front line offense you would have never cracked us. Keep the news section for broadcasts from the helicopter and put your garbage on the talk page! Benigno ^{SSZ RCC}

Man, it must suck to be attacked by zombies in your beer sipping chat game.-- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 02:16, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Cut out the trash talk Benigno. It makes you look like a dork, not some cool guy. This is a browser game, not you being a Hard Man Who Does Hard Things.

...Nerd. Rememberwhenpeopleplayedthis (talk) 02:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe try attacking with zombies and use PKers for a last resort? Instead of being the first thing you do? Whatever happened to AU10? The GMT Breakfast club? RRF used to play with honor...Benigno ^{SSZ RCC}

PKing is a legitimate tactic and has been for 13 years you whiny nerd. Rememberwhenpeopleplayedthis (talk) 10:46, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

lol Benigno. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 10:56, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Are you serious right now? I'm not hurting at all. It was just the Gore Corps, not REAL zombies. And like I said we'll be right back, no worries Benigno ^{SSZ RCC}

Thou dost protest too much Rememberwhenpeopleplayedthis (talk) 11:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Benigno, I'm going to explain this to you: Your position is an absolute nonsense. My post on the Roftwood page was entirely in keeping with the tone required, as well as being of a far more neutral point of view than some other entries with which you mysteriously have no problem. Let's take as a comparative example one of ZombGG's entries:

"The Northwest corner of Hildebrand Mall is presently under attack by a mob of 16 zombies. Intel gathered by the Roftwood Coordination Center concludes the mob is mostly feral, with a light mix of Ridleybank Resistance Front and The Scourge."

The above is perfectly fine. The tone is more or less exactly that which I have employed and he has noted the work of RCC, an organisation in which he is an active member, in the same way that I noted the involvement of the RRF and Gore Corps in mine. I'm sure there were other zombies in there, but as I didn't have the contact listed, I couldn't pick them out to credit any groups that they might be a part of. In short, I would not change ZombGG's post. Let's now though see what you posted on the main page, just to outline both why I removed it to this talk page (and was correct in doing so), as well as demonstrating just how poor your understanding of the wiki actually is:

"Sacked my ass. We will be back shortly. If you didn't use the Gore Corps as a front line offense you would have never cracked us. Keep the news section for broadcasts from the helicopter and put your garbage on the talk page!"

The page is intended for news and there is a template right at the top of it declaring that it should be kept neutral. Your post there above is not only not neutral, it's not in any way news. It's a combination of willy-waving braggadocio and petulant whining about having been smashed. Unlike my post and that of ZombGG above from the survivor side, it has no place on that page. Thus I moved it here (PS: The Gore Corps was created twelve years ago. Demonstrate a little emotional maturity and come to terms with things that happened over a decade ago).

Now I want to get on to a couple of other posts from the Roftwood page, with which you apparently have no issue:

"With Roftwood seemingly being attacked from both sides a great deal of the live population have found refuge in Hildebrand Mall because of it's high cades and resources... they know that they cannot allow it to fall they depend on it for food, shelter basic requirements as well as power.

Also today the Blackmore Bastard Brigade made their appearance on the Central Malton Radio statementing their intentions of pushing back the Ridleybank Resistance Front, which could give us some leeway here in Roftwood.

Catch you on Central Radio"

"Hildebrand Mall's north east and south west have been broken into and the doors have been ripped off, two zeds inside and much more outside. It seems they attacked from both sides as they have been reported in the masses outside Eligius General Hospital as well making me think that it will be there next building to fall in their conquest in Roftwood. Good luck survivors and allow strength of the gods be with you. Hildebrand Mall cannot fall!"

These are both from January of this year. The first example, by Tess Eks is questionable. She holds it together pretty well at the start, but then strays when she gets into psychological 'analysis' of the mental state and motivations of the survivors involved. This is a minor case on non-NPOV. However, then she completely blows it when she says "...Give US some leeway here. Catch you on Central Radio." Indisputably non-NPOV and should have been edited. The second example though is more egregious and, in being so, probably more in keeping with what you would prefer to see. It's an absolutely ridiculous, non-NPOV call to arms. It was also unsigned. As such, it should have been deleted outright.

So, my question to you, Benigno, is this: If you are such a wiki zealot, why did you do nothing about any of the above? It is, of course, a rhetorical question. Everyone knows exactly why you did it. It's because you're a classic trenchcoater, bitterly whining about having lost a fight. It's juvenile and more than a little pathetic. Your subsequent edits are entirely in bad faith and, in wiki terms, could be construed as vandalism. If you don't know how the wiki is supposed to work, leave it to people who do. ZombGG is a part of the RCC, same as you are. Leave it to him and you'll hopefully make far less of a fool of yourself in future. --LordMoloch (talk) 13:06, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

So, I've been around since 2006, I ran the most successful survivor complex in the history of the game across 8 suburbs for 2 years (SSZ), but I guess I'm just a trenchcoating fool. But anyway, next time attack with regular zombies instead of leaving it to the GC to give you the victory your fragile soul needs to keep living. But let's get into it.

I posted on the main page deliberately, knowing this would be moved to talk. That was the point, illustrating that the "news" report of us being "sacked" and "smashed" apparently, shouldn't have been on the main page. Your other examples of what also shouldn't have been on there, I also agree with. NPOV on burbs pages. But at least admit that it was the Gore Corps and not the real RRF, if it's truly a "neutral" piece of news. I did nothing about the ones you mentioned only because I actually didn't see them. I have only recently renewed focus on the wiki, as our opposition has done so and we feel we need to fight for NPOV as well as keep our causes updated. Things like you sack the mall (with PKers of course, not real zombies) and change the suburb to red - nah, we gotta discuss that.

So lastly, I hope you feel better about yourself now that you've determined I'm a petulant, whiny trenchcoat wearing fool, in your apparently great wisdom. A plague upon your self-righteousness. Benigno ^{SSZ RCC} 23:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

There were at least 40 zombies in roftwood as of that military report on the news. Hardly sounds like it was only Gore corps. So when survivors use words other than what is used to describe things in game, I can also be offended? TRP is strictly a survivor idea, and is used extensively in current events. Not to mention revive points, barricade plans, and other meta organization. None of that is in game. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 00:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah so fight against those things! Go for true NPOV. I will support that! Right now the correct color should be Red. We do have a lot of zombies to clear out in old Roftwood. I was referring to things that have happened before. But I'm tired and I'll never surmount the self-righteousness of the RRF or it's entrenchment in wiki politics so I'm done. Benigno ^{SSZ RCC} 00:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Firstly Benigno, your 'career' and longevity mean nothing. Even mine doesn't and I've done far more than you have in this game, and in significantly less time. This is a game in which survivors traditionally outnumber zombies by around 2-1 and the most powerful weapon in the game is the barricade, meaning that it is essential that zombies work together en masse or else they can be thwarted by the efforts of a single level 2 survivor. In short, running with the majority in the most resource-dense area on the entire map and calling yourself its leader is not very impressive. In fact, when I was Papa, other than the Battle of Barhahpolis and when we were on tour elsewhere, we treated your 'security zone' like it was a walk-in refrigerator. Nowadays the horde is much smaller and more Homeland focused, so you've had a comparatively easy ride for about nine years. When you manage to retake somewhere like Dunell Hills, let me know.

Secondly (and again), the Gore Corps have been around as long as you have. I would have thought you would have been able to come to terms with it by now. Or at least that would be the case if you had any kind of emotional or intellectual maturity. Hell, most of the RCC seem to be enjoying the challenge and invited us onto their Discord. You meanwhile are a middle-aged man, raging at the unfairness of being killed in a zombie apocalypse game and accusing someone else of having a 'fragile soul'.

You say that I should 'admit that it was the Gore Corps'. Was that part where I linked directly to the Gore Corps wiki page really so conceptually complex that you didn't get it? My report specifically identifies the Gore Corps as the perpetrators. For the record: Most of the Corps attacked in zombie form for much of the week, hence we (alongside, as Gardenator has pointed out, other RRFers, ferals and members of other groups that I cannot identify due to zombie anonymity) have ruined so many of your precious resource buildings (Spoiler alert: PKers don't ruin buildings). In fact, we've been feeding your people to one of our new zombies. He started out as a Level 5 when we first arrived, but now he's jumped up to Level 10. However, that's by-the-by. We do what we like and don't care if you are bothered by it. If anything, we kind of enjoy your bitterness. What's a good meal without a little salt?

With regard to my wording, maybe read something a bit more challenging than comic books and gun magazines. I used the term 'sacked' because it is perfectly appropriate give the circumstances. It means to plunder and destroy. We did that. As for 'smashed', which you put into quotation marks, implying that I posted it, well, I did not. That is your little embellishment. Perhaps having so much territory sacked has left you feeling somewhat emotional and you can no longer separate fact from delirious fantasy. --LordMoloch (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

What the fuck is an SSZ? I joined in 2009 and have been a survivor for years, and I have never heard of it. Benigno, are you seriously comparing e-peen with an RRF Papa, a past and current head of the single most famous, longest-lived and storied group in the game? That is hilarious. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}01:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Quick aside in regards to terms like TRP, revive point, etc. The mention of these things isn't NPOV, since they are ideas actively used by players, and can be discussed objectively. Consider:

• "The revive point at Wherever Road has four standing zombies." This is neutral — the revive point isn't being promoted or opposed, the information can be used equally by zombies or survivors, and the phrasing is straightforward and clear.
• "Survivors need to clear the large queue at the Wherever Road revive point." This is marginal — it implies a strategy for survivors (which should be organized elsewhere), but conveys technically neutral information (that there are a large number of zombies in the block). Could be phrased more neutrally, but not removal-worthy.
• "Rotters, let's park ourselves at Wherever Road to clog the revive point! BARHAH!" This is not neutral - it clearly proposes a strategy for zombies, is phrased without any semblance of neutrality, and gives little to no information about the state of the game.

A lot of what distinguishes POV from NPOV language is in phrasing and content density. I hope that clarifies somewhat what constitutes NPOV regarding these terms. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 12:55, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

Roftwood remains a battleground. Ridleybank Resistance Front is pushed back, then surges forward. From week to week, the mall and surrounding buildings change hands. Pkers continue to spearhead the RRF efforts. Ebb and flow. As of today, 8/29/18, Herbert NT is sacked. Careful where you sleep...and who you sleep with! Jeffery Runner 22:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Is this accurate or? Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 00:46, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

What is not accurate? I am there on the scene. I have been PKed, witnessed actions of PKers, saw sabotage, scanned zombies of RRF, and watch the ebb and flow of battle for weeks now. Just giving a bit of information, which was moved from the front page. (Jeffery Runner) 17:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, should have been more clear. It appears to be accurate information, perhaps with a bit more color, but I don't see why it was necessary to remove, other than the RRF member disagreeing with you. Yours seems no worse for NPOV than his on 7/10. Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 17:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)