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Wyn ♂ ^(♥) 14:07, 1 May 2006 (BST)

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HUMILIATION! --Undeadinator
- <3 -Wyndallin 01:47, 22 April 2006 (BST)
St. Isidore! Haha, I love it! If there's one non-Pagan Ron Burgundy appreciates, it's St. Isidore. I'll make one for Odin, as soon as I'm feeling creative! --Ron Burgundy 21:54, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Moderators

Striking Out Votes

You could try and see how people react, at the moment there is some disambugation if thats allowed. You doing that might make make it more clear. But me doing it, Yep thats certianly allowed, I could've argueably striken out the entire vote on the basis that is what meant to troll and have enough of a reasonable case for it not to be abusive of my powers as a wiki moderater. But seriously, why such a pissy note? It's not like I invalidated your vote or that the damn thing stayed up.--Vista ^W! 18:45, 13 May 2006 (BST)

You seriously do need to read how this wiki is set up. It's a wiki not a forum, moderators don't have any extra power, we've got extra duties. we're not the tsars, we're the clean up crew. users make the rules and we follow them out. I'm sad your losing your faith in some of the users. be glad that you aren't a moderater because then you'd really lose your faith in all users. Want me to crack down on certian user, why haven't you reported them? I specically mentioned that as a possibility. you might want to reread my comment though, I don't think you're allowed to strike out votes, but read the suggestion talkpage on the discussion about that. I certainly do think that vote was trolling because all it was about was how grim s couldn't touch it, njeener njeener. Well yeah that might have maked a good case.--Vista ^W! 19:23, 13 May 2006 (BST)

May I also say that the reason that we're not doing anything about people like rasher and scinfaxi is because we can't. I don't like the status quo but there is nothing I can do to change it. What do you want me us to do about rasher and scinfaxi? We're in the strange position where people are complaining that we're sitting idle, not doing anything, but would report us for misconduct if we actually did do something.--The General ^{W! Mod} 19:48, 13 May 2006 (BST)

But how do I define it in the rules? Users aren't prepared to give us any discretion so they certainly won't allow us to punish people simply because we feel that what they are doing is wrong.--The General ^{W! Mod} 19:57, 13 May 2006 (BST)

The problem yes, we do have our hands bound. we forbid ourself to make policy because we are the one enacting it. seperation of powers. We should not be the ones doing that. regular users that won't get those powers should decide how many control they want to give out. All our terrible powers are indeed checked. MEANING that we can only use them if cerian conditians are met. You keep blabering about how we don't crack down on certian users and I told you twice to report them if they did something we can actually use against them. You thought that Rasher deserved a warning, fine REPORT HIM. is that so hard to do? This is a wiki, our role is not that of policeman. I may only use my "power" when it meets the right conditions so your lovely little comment is totally crap as you want me to use my power were I am not allowed to. so yeah that means my 'powers' there are non-excistant. You want moderaters to do stuff there not allowed to in one case. But as soon as I do something to lower the hostilaty of the suggestions page in a way I'm allowed, you suddenly threathen me with vandalism or misconduct. Wauw, color me impressed. And what is your responce when we say that to avoid such drama is a reason why we make sure that we don't do anything we're not allowed? "It's all your fault for not giving yourself arbitrally more power!" Again this is a wiki, what stops you from trying to give us more power? why must the moderator team take the lead in something they very sensible refrain from when every bloody user can do that. The moderator team is not here to whipe the wiki's bottom, only to take responcibilaties that need trusted users to do. I specifically noted that the suggestion page whould be one of the places I whould be enforcing the rules on when I applied for promotion, as people have always complained that we didn't use our powers enough on that page, but as soon as we do, OMG! go do something usefull!!!! Want me to warn somebody? Make sure that I can. and stop whining when I don't want to do something that I'm not allowed in the first place. I have to deal with that drama way more then you, and I'm quite likely more sick off it as you. So I don't want somebody going all selfrightious against me for actually upholding the rules.--Vista ^W! 21:31, 13 May 2006 (BST)

I'm actually considering doing research and finding out whether or not it's valid to bring you up on Vandal Banning for altering my vote, As it was done in my capacity as moderater, it would probably been revered to misconduct once you filled a report. So yes, your comment did imply a misconduct case. You also seem to have read over that I said it was the seperation of powers, and the extremely bad form of increasing your own power, and the fact that everybody else whould be in a better position to do it that makes us weary of proposing policy changes that whould increase the powers of a mod not the fact that we would be good at it. I'd like to believe that I whould be extremely good at it, as I have done it multiple times in real life to everybodies contentment even though I'm also a very busy person in real life. As for the fact that striking out will appearntly make the sggestions page more hostile instead of less, well I really doubt that. will it make me less liked and my talk page a hotbed some people disagreeing with me? Perhaps, but I never was somebody who cared what people thought about me. I as there were a lot of people who didn't like it, or won't react like you did, So i think that on general it'll work for the best. excluding me perhaps, but mheh I can deal with that. Hagnat, who you deemed so soft as to possibly be worthy of misconduct banned scinfaxi. I would have done it sooner. but that is the randomness of the draw. And if you didn't suggest that the moderater team could give themselves arbitraly more powers I misunderstood the part about cracking down on certain users more. Because I like to think that we actually try to give impartial judgements according to the rules and the merits of the edits that get reported. as we are compelled to do. But you are right I could've simply misunderstood that.

However dispite all that is said, I am glad that you are working on policy and I look forward to seeing it. And I am also glad that you have intervened between the bobs and amazing without resorting to treaths or bans, You let it sound however like I did not, and that is luckily not the case as I arbitrated in wiki-gate, rewrote NPOV at their requests, Etc. I also want to say that I'm quite happy that you check vandal banning so much, and I should not have said my comment that way as I have indeed no knowledge how many times you do check. If you are interested in my involvement, I try to check up between every single edit made on those pages between 8.00BST to 16.00 BST, and less frequently I try to check up between every single edit from 20.00 BST to 23.00 BST. Due to the nature of my work I can usually only react to them during my lunch and coffee breaks or in the evenings.

I'm still at a loss were all this comes from, all I did was doing something a lot of people voiced the moderator team should be doing more. Next thing I know I get accused of abusing power, placing myself above you, (while I should have kept my composure, I do fail to see how calling your, in my opinion not well worded complaints, whining means I whould think myself better then you. But english is not my first language, it that is the meaning is I retract it.)and lot of spoken and unspoken resentment to the moderator team. I think our exchange hasn't been productive in adressing what bothers you. I can only blame myself for going head first into the situation instead of trying to devuse it. I have no excuse other then I am currently a bit feeverish. I want nothing more to resume this conversation on a more productive level. What is your specific problem with me, and your problem in general with the moderater staff? Who are the militant users who are abusing the system within the rules that plague the moderater team so? looking forward to your response.--Vista ^W! 23:25, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Comment on Vista/The General's Pages

I agree with you 100%, especially the bit about the warnings. --Sirens^{T RR} 19:52, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Other stuff

you just stay out of this Blazefire 07:11, 29 May 2006 (BST)

i didnt say to stay off the rrf talk page i told you to stay out of an arguement i was having with one member Blazefire 07:21, 30 May 2006 (BST)

i give up some battles are best won by backing down. and i have no intention of touching the RRF page with a virtual two mile pole

Quick Thanks

Thanks for formating my reply (which I was trying to correct for Scinfaxi; oh, the psuedo-irony!) --Karlsbad 07:06, 15 May 2006 (BST)

###

Neh I only did the current drama part because it's getting so many different votes and loose comments it's becoming a drama in itself to figure out how things stand. those couple of hundreds ###'s are hardly worth stabbing somebody over... well not in any vital parts...--Vista ^W! 20:28, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Thanks gramma

Thanks for the help on the Grammar template. -- Andrew McM ^W! 18:10, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Yeah, I found a link to the list of templates and found St Isidore. My first thoughts were: 'Crap, have I just wasted my time?' *grin* Ah, well, at least I had the foresight to have grammar as well as spelling. And, of course, my one has a big 'LOL' with a 'No' sign through it. -- Andrew McM ^W! 18:18, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Suggestions

I didn't take any offence in it, I just didn't read properly RWXSM 16:16, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Brizth

About that Template: EtiquetteSmall : I had problems with it, didn't show the top color in Firefox, so I tried to fix it, but accidentally changed the color :D Fixed it again, this time with correct color. Seems to work in both IE and FF now. Oh and there seems to be the same problem with the Canadian and Project W! templates. I'll fix them very soon. --Brizth ^{W! M T} 19:04, 23 April 2006 (BST)

Hm. Was using Hagnat's flagbox for that. No idea what's up. Looks fine in my IE, though. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 19:07, 23 April 2006 (BST)
- Ah, I found the problem. There can be no spaces around the color defination when calling flagbox (or other similar templates). I'll add a warning to flagbox template. --Brizth ^{W! M T} 19:16, 23 April 2006 (BST)

Heh, so Grammar was also yours :D Keep it up! More templates can only result in good things. _{Or maybe not, though do create more anyway.} --Brizth ^{W! M T} 21:13, 25 April 2006 (BST)

You have been busy. Anyway, I was actually thinking of few templates. They would be {{Survivor}}, {{Zombie}} and third I have no name for. Basically, they would be for dedicated survivor and zombie players, and the last one for those who play both zombies and survivors (probably nearly everyone). --Brizth ^{W! M T} 21:30, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Well, at least the page has some content now :D And oh, I'm sorry, I misplaced your "THE INTARWEBZ"-prize. But please, have a cookie. I heard they are great. --Brizth ^{W! M T} 23:55, 26 April 2006 (BST)

BuncyTheFrog

It's okay, I have so many words in my head I get them confused sometimes. And as for our last correspondance, I just looked and I didn't leave any indication that I could see that English was my second language. In any case, I don't take offence. BuncyTheFrog ^{Talk GBP} 14:58, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Re: Amazing Banning

The problem with Amazing is that's he's not a minor case. Mr. Aushvitz may have been a bit annoying, but no one would have tried to get rid of him instantly. Some people talked with him, and he immediatly tried straightening up. Even then, his "problem" was only limited to one page. Amazing's crud is spread all over the place and it's been going on for a long time. People have tried to get him to straighten up, and he's blown each and every one of them off. Finnally, he has publicly stated that he hates the Wiki and thinks the mods and the owner suck. As for his contributions, they're rather lame. He doesn't have to be gone forever, but every once in awhile you need to "slap" someone to get the point accross that thier shite won't be tolerated. --Sirens^{T RR} 15:30, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Your vote in the petition

What were you trying to do with all those edits? I fixed your vote, but Mia reverted it. --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 17:05, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Sorry about that. Bolloxed up my strike. My mistake, and I apologize again. Mia got it right. I was just trying to indent to make it not interfere with the counting, and do the strikeout. I'm extremely tired and will be going to bed fairly shortly. Again, my apologies. -Wyndallin 17:09, 22 April 2006 (BST)

That's fine. I should be the one apologising to you, for my mistake. --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 17:10, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Nono, understandable. Especially considering five back-to-back edits. God, I was retarded. Gotta get my wiki and html sorted out. -Wyndallin 17:12, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Everyone makes mistakes, especially when they're really tired. No fault on both sides, shall we say? --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 17:13, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Complete agreement, no fault at all. I'm already on the negative side of the karma scale for the distress I caused to Buncy this evening. *sighs at self* -Wyndallin 17:17, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Yeah, you have to be careful around Buncy sometimes *nods wisely in agreement* --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 17:28, 22 April 2006 (BST)

You do? I wasn't aware I was so menacing. *innocent face* BuncyTheFrog ^{Talk GBP} 17:44, 22 April 2006 (BST)

*grins and pats Buncy* You're not menacing, I was just tired, and I assumed, and we all know what assuming does: it makes an ASS out of U and ME. -Wyndallin 17:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Sush. I'm menacing. Really. Grr. See? You're scared now. Yeah. ... Yeah. BuncyTheFrog ^{Talk GBP} 17:55, 22 April 2006 (BST)

So menacing. *laughs* :D Especially when I was a newbie. What with all that helping me and stuff... *grins* -Wyndallin 17:57, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Pre-Harassment Info

All you need to do is draft a proposal in Policy Discussion, leave it up for debate a bit, then call for a vote on it. --Zaruthustra-Mod 03:53, 23 April 2006 (BST)

Let's do it together Wyndallin! --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 03:55, 23 April 2006 (BST)

Sure, where you wanna work on it before we slap it up in the discussion space?

Shunaria at hotmail dot com - MSN

Shunariadelan - AIM

-Wyndallin 03:56, 23 April 2006 (BST)

Let's do it on MSN. My address is cyberbob690@hotmail.com --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 03:57, 23 April 2006 (BST)

It would be a lot easier if you drafted if publically on a user page, but my definition would be something along the lines of "To deliberately pester or annoy in a willful and systematic fashion, so that it cannot be reasonably ignored." Just getting into a tiff with somebody in a conversation isn't "harassing" them or there arises the old internet game of flame baiting people into attacking you and then reporting them. Which is a very irritating game, for mods most of all. Also, PKing and PKer groups don't count since they're a part of the game, along with just about anything in game for that matter. --Zaruthustra-Mod 05:39, 23 April 2006 (BST)

Well, I'm pretty sure nothing good could come of it, but sure. *braces for drama* --Zaruthustra-Mod 05:47, 23 April 2006 (BST)

MSN

Go on now! --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 14:44, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Public Input on the Harassment Policy

The Drama Llama is still watching you, but I'll be more even-handed here than I would be above this point. -Wyndallin

inputherekthx. -Wyn ^(talk!) 16:27, 1 May 2006 (BST)

So you ask for my opinion then delete it when I post it?--The General ^{W! Mod} 17:51, 1 May 2006 (BST)

Ah, ok, I just couldn't find the archive.--The General ^{W! Mod} 18:51, 1 May 2006 (BST)

Death Groan, etc

Clearly, the arbitration had no effect on his behavior. Timid Dan 16:32, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Channel 4 News Team

The Emerald Guard, eh? What made you think we've got their support? It'd be great if we do- especially for Phase Five- I mean, we need all the Vicious Killers we can get in Richmond Hills and Havercroft. I don't believe we have any reporters in Dartside... what, exactly, is going on? --Ron Burgundy 22:45, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Got it, Captain! If you see that little bird again, tell it that Odin extends his blessing to the Emerald Guard and, when their local troubles are over, they're more than welcome to help the Channel 4 News Team in Glorious Battle! There are more than enough zombies to go around. --Ron Burgundy 22:57, 25 April 2006 (BST)

If you're in town, you're more than welcome to join the Channel 4 News Team in Glorious Battle! We're in central Richmond Hills, at the moment, and are moving south. We've also got some presence in the west of the suburb. We've not run into anything too harsh so far, mostly just ferals. There are just so many of 'em! --Ron Burgundy 20:11, 26 April 2006 (BST)

Template:CookieThief

Yes, this is a petty concern, but flagboxing the template means it can't be set to center itself, which screws up the nice neat look of my user page and angers my OCD. We needn't change it--but since you obviously know more about wiki formatting than I, d'you know how to get it in line with the others?--'STER-Talk-Mod 03:21, 27 April 2006 (BST)

My poor template... *tears* I don't see the point of doing it really, as it's basically just the flagbox code, just formatted the way I liked it. Eww, did it screw up my page as well? BuncyTheFrog ^{Talk GBP} 05:24, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Vandal Report

Come on man. Are you serious about filing a vandal report? It's just fictional humor. It wasn't meant to actually insult Amazing. It was immature jokes. Do you think anyone could get insulted by being defeated by people flying on chickens? Saromu 02:05, 28 April 2006 (BST)

Amazing will. I don't defend him, I barely even tolerate him any more, and I've had enough of his drama, which you're trying to stir up with this. And yes, I'm completely serious about filing a vandal report. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 02:07, 28 April 2006 (BST)

The Draft

We haven't had any new feedback in quite some time. Do you think we should work on the second draft of the policy? --Cyberbob240^{CDF - Arb - W!} 05:55, 30 April 2006 (BST)

We should start it, yes. -Wyndal ^{(talk)-(W!)-(SGP)} 10:13, 30 April 2006 (BST)

Useful Flare Idea

That would dilute their use. For instance if I'm looking for a green flare and the message of a green flare is (many zombies here) if I just keep finding red, yellows, and white flares that'd make it impossible for someone to communicate effectively with this. Unless flares became a lot easier to find, finding each color individually would make it too hard to ever find the flare you need. --Jon Pyre 18:23, 30 April 2006 (BST)

Lexicon

Now, this is just my personal wishes and not the rules of anything...but even though you're playing an NT, I'm trying to convince Lexicon people to keep things fairly mysterious, at least at first. please don't give too much away of your vision for the storyline--the game as a whole will be more entertaining.--'STER-Talk-Mod 20:17, 2 May 2006 (BST)

How does one join the writing crew at the Outbreak Lexicon? Reena

Families of Malton

As a former member of the Outbreak Lexicon team I thought you might be interested in looking at and/or helping with the Families of Malton project. Conndraka^{mod T W!} 01:48, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Huggles All Around

I possess crazy hearts for you as well, my sweet. Come on, let's have a group hug. --Undeadinator 02:16, 3 May 2006 (BST)

I will permit you the honor of carrying my seed to fruition. Be behind the 7-11 on Fletcher Street at half past midnight and bring a spatula. --Undeadinator 02:37, 3 May 2006 (BST)

More Lexicon Stuff

Changed it. Granted, the "if this is true" comment meant that I still could have left it the same, but I went ahead and changed it anyways. - CthulhuFhtagn 00:45, 4 May 2006 (BST)

It's no problem. I had completely forgotten what was said before about Project Sunrise. Had I found it out myself, I would have changed it anyways. - CthulhuFhtagn 00:49, 4 May 2006 (BST)

Don't worry about making me feel bad. I screwed up. So probably drop the references to DAO, change the purpose of the virus to slowing metabolism? I want to keep it tied with the Soldier Survivability System - do you think it's doable? My other option would be to say that they were attempting to reduce the strain on natural resources in 3rd world countries.

Darth Sensitive 03:57, 4 May 2006 (BST)

So, make it a soldier thing. Long times in combat zones without resupply? Or make NecroTech not all bad?

Darth Sensitive ^{talk | W!} 04:14, 4 May 2006 (BST)

I don't see NecroTech as TEH ULTAMITE EVAL! :) You're not obligated to take that tack along with me, but it would be much appreciated. :) -Wyn ^(talk!) 04:16, 4 May 2006 (BST)

Well, remember what I said earlier is just my personal wishes. If you want to be more revealing it's not like you'd be doing something wrong. I'd just prefer it this way. What you did seems exactly what I hoped people would choose to do, though--thanks.--'STER-Talk-Mod 22:01, 4 May 2006 (BST)

Incipient infection (Lexicon)

I took out the conflict by removing the Genomic Resequencing link. The articles seem to work better now. Thanks!! - Nicks 04:21, 4 May 2006 (BST)

Labine50

1)way to be canadian 2)You clearly aren't a doctor or else you'd probably agree with me. When you get first aid, you get less XP per a person. and even less if you get surgery.

(above comment was an edit made unsigned by User:Labine50 -Kb)

Double Stats

Hi. I know you voted kill initally for the "Double Stats" suggestion due to experience concerns, but if you look at the talk page for it, it has been addressed. I don't think Kevan would allow it to be a problem anyways. Right now, the votes for this suggestion are 20 Keep and 11 Kill. Considering what I just told you, if you could help me get my suggestion into Peer Reviewed, that would be great. You don't even need to vote "Keep". If you just removed your kill vote, that would be enough. I'd really appriciate it. Thank you.

About a Lexicon entry...

An article on Willum J. Kersley was written quite a while back. Does it have to wait until the final round before getting moved there, or can it be done now? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 12:59, 21 May 2006 (BST)

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