UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot vs Karek

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User:Iscariot versus User:Karek

It is clear, looking at both recent history and the extended past in the metagame that User:Karek has some sort of problem with me. There looks to be no attempt to resolve whatever it is that is causing this user to feel aggrieved, it falls to me to act in good faith and attempt to parley a resolution.

In order, therefore, to prevent disruption to the wiki project I propose we see if a form of mediation can be achieved through arbitration to prevent whatever the problem is from negatively impacting the wiki experience for the community. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 16:24, 17 September 2009 (BST)

Volunteering to arbitrate.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:29, 17 September 2009 (BST)
Iscariot, whining about another user having a problem with him who isn't making any effort to settle things peacefully? I AM SHOCKED AND APPALLED. Cyberbob  Talk  16:39, 17 September 2009 (BST)
In the past it was always other people that brought up a case against Iscariot which he blew off completely by refusing to pick an arbitrator. It seems hard to swallow that he has suddenly decided that this system is workable and helpful without any sort of policy change on it. However, dropping the St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr name is a step in the right direction. --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 18:18, 18 September 2009 (BST)
The way to deal with such personal disagreements in times past was arbitration. I fail to see how I'm not acting in good faith for the wiki. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 16:46, 17 September 2009 (BST)
Arbitrators cannot "make" people reconcile their differences. All they can do is to implement restraining orders, which I know you know. This is basically just a stupid and transparent attempt to have a dissenting voice kept away, KEPT AWAY! that has been dressed up as "parleying". Good faith my left nut. Cyberbob  Talk  16:52, 17 September 2009 (BST)
There is no viable case here and his past behavior makes this lolriffic for it's sheer level of wrongfulness. Yeah Iscariot, I have a problem with you, I have a problem with you because I can be reasonably sure that every time you're around you'll try to pull some ridiculous bullshit against me because you have issue with me and have on many occasions let your personal bias cause me hassle. The only viable solutions you have to settling that are; grow up and try and make amends for past behavior while modifying current/future behavior or to go away. Choose one of those, there will be no case. --Karekmaps?! 22:25, 17 September 2009 (BST)
This isn't a case, it's an attempt to resolve whatever problem you seem to have with me with the aid of an impartial third party. One would think a good faith attempt to protect the wiki from whatever disagreement you seem to have with me would be the epitome of good faith, alas it seems you see it not. I shall wait a day to see if you change your mind before archiving it.
I tried. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:10, 17 September 2009 (BST)
I have no clue about any problems that may or may not exist between iscariot and karek. And I hardly know either of you. So if you both want a really impartial 3rd party to arbitrate try me =) --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 23:23, 17 September 2009 (BST)
No, you want to claim you tried. There's no need to protect the wiki, you're the one that spills it over onto here with ridiculous cases like trying to get me vandal escalated for putting up a reassessment bid as a sysop. If you want to resolve it you know how to find me and where to do it, everything else is just point scoring. --Karekmaps?! 23:30, 17 September 2009 (BST)
I'd much prefer to do this in a public arena, last time we were on an IRC channel you left, then came back, hurled abuse and banned yourself. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:38, 17 September 2009 (BST)

Arbitration is for content disputes on pages, not mediating people's issues. As what Karek said, but you could also try just dealing with it, like everyone else on this wiki has had to "deal with it" with you. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:26, 18 September 2009 (BST)

Not to weigh in on either side, but the guidelines do mention the use of arbitration as a solution for personal disputes, admittedly in "rare situations". -Wulfenbach 01:00, 18 September 2009 (BST)

This arbitration is pretty good, and imma gonna let you finish, but Amazing had some of the best arbitrations of all time!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 00:58, 18 September 2009 (BST)

"I thought that was really inappropriate. You know it was like just Iscariot's acting the fool — why are you butting in? I, I hear you — I agree with you. The Iscariot guy seems like a perfectly nice person. He's on his soapbox. What’s Anime doing up there? He’s a jackass."--SirArgo Talk 03:33, 18 September 2009 (BST)

I offer to arbitrate on this arbitration case that aint. I promise ill be completely unbiased toward karek and ill not forbid iscariot from ever posting on adminstration pages or creating/commenting on policies. You have my word on that --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 19:54, 18 September 2009 (BST)

I would offer to arbitrate but I really don't see what there is to arbitrate on. Its nothing but a clash of personalities and (so far) has not involved actual vandalism or any real threat of it... either ignore each other or agree to disagree because "arbitration" cannot settle this in any real fashion. --Honestmistake 20:26, 18 September 2009 (BST)

If arbitration is used as a form of mediation, it can help deal with their problem with each other, so that there is not even a chance of vandalism. It's better to stop problems than have everyone hate each other.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:25, 19 September 2009 (BST)

If you think that Iscariot is actually after true mediation you're extremely naive. The only thing an arbitrator would be able to do would be to throw down a mutual restraining order, which is exactly what Iscariot wants. He doesn't want Karek to "stop hating him", he wants him to cease being relevant as a voice of dissent to his terrible attempts at wikilawyering. Cyberbob  Talk  15:36, 19 September 2009 (BST)
Well of course Iscariot doesn't want to resolve an argument. He's back to his old A/VBing, A/Aing, A/Ming (probably coming shortly) self.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:52, 19 September 2009 (BST)

Given Karek has shown exactly zero good faith in this process and no intention of solving any issue in an open manner I am forced to archive this case as unaccepted. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 16:17, 27 September 2009 (BST)