UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation

Pre-arby stuff

Due to the increased hostility, vandalism, insults, spais, murder, etc. (anything bad, it's happened.) I have been told to go to Arbies. I will accept fair Arby. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haliman111 (talk • contribs) at 23:33, 9 January 2008.

Once again, I offer to arbitrate. I have a good knowledge of the happenings (both past and present) in this case and you both know me to be impartial. -- Cheese 23:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Accepted. I seemed vague in the request for this case, but you already know. This case will solve everything, right? Not just that one page? --Haliman - Talk 23:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully, but both groups have to want this to make any resolution work. -- Cheese 23:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Ohhh....can't we another restraining order again or something..or deletion of both biased war reports.--Thadeous Oakley 23:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki wise, the UBCS has done nothing to vandalize Umbrella's pages. We want the vandalism to stop. Trust me. --Haliman - Talk 23:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm here to represent UBCS too.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 23:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thadeous: We can do that as well, but if you want we can use this as a sort of mediation to get all your issues with each other sorted. Either way, would you be willing to accept me as arbitrator? -- Cheese 23:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

*goes to offline*

Thadeous has gone to sleep can I get an update on this arbitration, I have refused to read anything Haliman posts due to the dangerous raises in blood pressure it tends to cause me (sarcasm). Let me catch myself up and then we'll try and work an agreement.President Jackson 00:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that I have a better understanding, I would rather just apologize for editing that particular wiki page. I don't have a history of malicious editing and the edit in its purpose wasn't malicious at all. I am still a wiki noob as I don't have a complete understand of the wiki coding, I assumed that that particular page was neutral when I edited it being that it was 'our' war. I am currently constructing our own page for this war so there should no longer be confusion by any members like Beau or myself. I am not really familiar with arbitration but if its going to do the same thing as it did with 'Umbrella' routing options than I don't think it could be a problem but I find it unnecessary. Oh and since my name is fixed could I have my toolbar back please?President Jackson 00:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Would both groups be happy just to have a NPOV, mainspace (that is, owned by neither group,) page documenting the war? Linkthewindow  Talk  01:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that create a huge opportunity for an all-out edit war? I think that's what happening right now as well.--SirArgo ^Talk 01:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

As SirArgo said. That is a possibility, better not making it possible.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 01:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Its fine the way it is now, I have finished our own page, and now that I have more knowledge of the wiki I don't think this should be an issue again. Sorry for the outburst earlier but you must see it from my ignorant point of view earlier. I don't think this Arbitration is necessary. Also can I have my toolbar back? Where do I go to ask for my toolbar?President Jackson 03:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

What toolbar are you on about? =/ You've asked about it at least 4 or 5 times but you haven't clarified what or where it actually is. -- Cheese 17:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The only toolbar in the wiki? The wiki toolbar that appears at the top of the selected page for editing. Contains things like the button that places your signature.President Jackson 20:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Clikc on your preferences, edit, and then check to see if what I circled is checked or not.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks man! I don't know how that got unchecked. Didn't even know that was possible.--President Jackson 02:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That only works when both sides are willing to put pettiness aside, and leave their bad blood on the battlefield... so, let the trenchy vs. trenchy propaganda war begin! and may the best group win look slightly less foolish in the end -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:12 10 January 2009 (BST)

And that's why I propose deletion of both the pages.--Thadeous Oakley 10:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Umm, no, Thadeous.President Jackson 20:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

In case they're still trying to decide on an arbitrator I'll volunteer. I've gotten used to stress in my life, I'd miss it if there wasn't any all of a sudden. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Likewise I offer my services, apart from the lack of stress.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Likewise. Anyone getting Deja Vu here?-- Adward  18:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Fourthed. I'll arby if necessary. --Pestolence^(talk) 21:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

If you would like it, I offer to arbitrate as well.--SirArgo ^Talk 21:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Well since we both have our own war "report" now can't we leave at that? I really don't feel anything for an arb case. Besides, cant we settle this at our forum under the same negotiation topic? There is no use in creating an in-game peace when this "wiki war" continues.--Thadeous Oakley 23:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd help, but you banned me. As for the reports, one public report would be better than two POV'd ones. --Haliman - Talk 23:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You actually said: Screw negotiations on your forums! --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 00:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Right, UBCS requested this arbitration, accordingly the community assumes that they will participate and represent themselves. One question only is currently relevant, will Umbrella participate in this arbitration and represent themselves? This question requires a yes or no answer from Umbrella regarding their participation according to the statues set out in the arbitration precedents. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok I am confused. Didn't the UBCS and Umbrella Corporation agree to disagree by having their own pages for this war, because I am pretty sure that's what I was trying to put across. No I am not thinking Arbi's, things are fine the way they are now and should be left at that.President Jackson 02:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You aren't following, your 'agreement' with UBCS means precisely dick now. UBCS brought this case, it implies that they are unhappy with how the current arrangement is progressing. Therefore, as it has been brought, this is now an arbitration case, if you choose not to represent yourself, a representative will be chosen for you and the arbitration will progress and you will be bound by that result. I personally couldn't give a shit about whatever agreement the pair of you have, you are both filling up my admin pages with your drama and if I can I'll end it here and now. Therefore, under the Arbitrations Guidelines that I have explained to you, the precedent you can read from past cases and the guidelines linked from this page; Will Umbrella represent themselves in this case aginst UBCS? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, why not, since this freakin thing cannot just be dropped now. Oi vey.--President Jackson 05:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it can. All it takes is the user who created this case to drop it --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 05:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh well then why don't we wait on word from them first? I have to sleep anyway, I have only had 2hrs these past 2 days.President Jackson 05:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I volunteer to be Arbitatortot. I am unbiased because I think both groups are full of faggots. I will not choose one faggot over another for I hate both you. I will, however, decide which faggot is less wrong and choose that one as the winner of the case. I would then prescribe the correct solution to solve this faggotry that ails your two groups. Failure to accept my proposal would result in big punishments, and possible lynchings. Sounds fair? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I add myself to the overabundance of arbitrators, except I am neutral towards both groups, and less lynchings :|. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I am still for keeping both pages and leaving it at. Creating a POV public page instead seems impossible to me.--Thadeous Oakley 09:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

This is for making a public POV page, and to stop Umbrella's vandalism. Impossible? We will make a page public, and count confirmed kills to keep everything accurate. Neither memberlist will be on the page, and only a basic summary of the war will be included, along with the battle template. I'm sure even Umbrella can figure out how to do that. --Haliman - Talk 18:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I am going to have to disagree with this. The vandalism stopped days ago (with exception to the mistakes made earlier) and this Arbitration is only being pursued by Haliman's UBCS in order to have our Operation: War Drums wiki page removed, since it is threatening to the survival of their group. I would also like to state to Haliman that unless this Arbitration case is dropped I will release secret information on your groups plan to create zerg impostors of the Umbrella Corporation in order to cause havoc with Malton (specifically Shearbank) locals.--President Jackson 19:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

They can't start a arbitration case about this without us, so far as I know.--Thadeous Oakley 19:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That is correct. Both sides have to accept the arbitrator and their ruling. Linkthewindow  Talk  23:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect. If you choose not to represent yourself other users can be chosen to represent you, this has happened in the past. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You know many "unconfirmed" (no screenshot) kills we have made? Unless you take my word for it I am not going to work along to create a false page.--Thadeous Oakley 19:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Funny thing is, he SHOULD know, apparently his UBCS members have been keeping screen shots of us killing them seeing as I have received a few that we didn't have pictures of at the time LOL!--President Jackson 19:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"Arbitration is only being pursued by Haliman's UBCS in order to have our Operation: War Drums wiki page removed, since it is threatening to the survival of their group." - Threatening to our survival? We're kicking your ass. "I will release secret information on your groups plan to create zerg impostors of the Umbrella Corporation in order to cause havoc with Malton (specifically Shearbank) locals." - You're an idiot. What proof do you have? "i saw dem say dis in s soopur sekrit forum!!!" I have proof of Umbrella zerging, which I will post RIGHT now. You brought this upon yourself. --Haliman - Talk 19:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And Umbrella thinks that you two don't need to go to arby...--SirArgo ^Talk 19:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"Threatening to our survival? We're kicking your ass." And I will just pretend I don't have evidence for that being a lie. "You're an idiot. What proof do you have? "i saw dem say dis in s soopur sekrit forum!!!" I have proof of Umbrella zerging, which I will post RIGHT now. You brought this upon yourself." Before this turns into some sort of flame war, we don't have any secret zerging being used to make impostors of the UBCS in order to cause chaos for the other group. The zerging you are likely referring to Haliman is most likely use of some characters that are enrolled in the Umbrella Corporation B.O.W. Program and essentially operate as an alt with Dual Nature intent.--President Jackson 19:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Dividy Header

To try and get things moving, here are the users who have put their hands up to arby. Please can you guys agree on an arbitrator so this can get resolved.

• Cheese
• Iscariot
• Rosslessness
• Drawde
• Pestolence
• SirArgo
• Sonny
• Linkthewindow
  

That's a reasonable list so take your pick. -- Cheese 21:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm good with Ross, Pest, or Link. --Haliman - Talk 21:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm striking my name. I don't need this much drama right now. --Pestolence^(talk) 22:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? We're still going through with this? I choose SirArgo. I guess I'll take the time to get those screen shots of the zerging conspirators.--President Jackson 01:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I would chose Cheese, myself. He knows the most of the story, far more then anyone else. But this case needs to concern the general Umbrella/UBCS thingy. Not just some war report. --Thadeous Oakley 15:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Thadeous (Yeah, I said it.) That's kinda what I hoped it to do. --Haliman - Talk 03:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

So you agree that cheese can arbie? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed then. --Haliman - Talk 22:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Righty ho. Lets get this show on the road then. Shifting this to its own page. -- Cheese 23:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheese's Main Opening statement

Ok. This is a bit more complicated than last time as we're going to try and end the hostilities between your groups using this as a neutral ground on which to stick the negotiating table. After we've sorted that out, we'll move onto the war page issue. For now though I'll detail how I plan on doing this mediation.

• Stage one is for each group to state what they want out of this process and from your point of view what would you like the other group to do in order for your group to put the past behind and work together. This is just a simple statement (or list if needbe) and no replies to the other groups statements just yet. We'll get to that later.
• Stage two is what your group is willing to do in order to meet the requests of the other group. In other words, this is a reply to Step one. Try and keep it civil and avoid completely refusing anything if you can.
  

Stages three and beyond will depend on the outcomes of these first two stages and I'll detail them later on. For now, we'll get started on the first two.

In the build up to this, I noticed two members of each group commenting which I think would be just about right. Unless I ask for other opinions the representatives of each group are as such:

• UBCS
  • Haliman111
  • Lithedarkangel
• Umbrella
  • Thadeous Oakley
  • Jackson

Now the boring bit's done, lets get started.-- Cheese 00:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Stage one

This part is simple. Give me a list of what you want from this and what it would take for you to forgive and forget. Keep it reasonable and no crazy requests involving ponies or gold. Don't use your header to reply to the other group, that's what the next bits for. Only post under your own header, etc.

Since Haliman brought the case, UBCS can go first. -- Cheese 00:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

UBCS

Only Haliman or Lithedarkangel beyond this point

Ok. Since Haliman has not started I think I will have to. The most I want from this is Peace, a cease of all hostilities directed to our group from Umbrella Corporation. Most of this battle comes from the fact that those in Umbrella Corporation will not accept the word "Umbrella" to be related with Haliman, I think that we can name ourselves "Umbrella (insert something here related)" if we want. They don't own the name and if we change our name it must be because we see it fits the situation not because some other groups told us to do it. That's all for the moment.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 20:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I wish to add: The slander in-game needs to end too. We refuse to engage in an alliance until ALL of the slander stops. After that, I think we could work together. --Haliman - Talk 16:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Umbrella

Only Thadeous or Jackson beyond this point

Removal of both slander pages (yeah, the ones up at deletions). They don't belong on the wiki.--Thadeous Oakley 20:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Stage two

This part is rather simple as well and is your groups response to the others reasonable requests. Please keep this part civil and try to avoid starting confrontations. Again, only post under your own header etc.

Don't start posting in this section until I say so. -- Cheese 00:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Let's move on. Post your responses to the bits up there ^ -- Cheese 22:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

UBCS Response

Why stop there? Let's completely get rid of them both. As long as they stay in existence, we won't have peace. Now, onto the war reports. A neutral one could be made with Confirmed kills only, to keep accuracy. Fair? --Haliman - Talk 16:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought we were gonna use this as mediation for all the issues we have... --Haliman - Talk 16:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Response for Thad: Well, those in-game events are produced by the same situation that is here. Being the word "Umbrella" related with us. I think they both can be solved here. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 21:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Umbrella Response

Umbrella Reps only

You can't pull in-game events into the wiki. And I am not interested in an alliance with you. I am interested in stopping all this hassle on the wiki. Secondly, confirmed kills? I will get back to you on that.--Thadeous Oakley 16:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

For a page that we all want to delete your putting allot of effort in it.--Thadeous Oakley 17:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We can handle in-game things here aswell, just remember arbitrator Cheese's rulings can only extend to the wiki.Thadeous Oakley

Next bit

Right, time to move on. I'll let you guys discuss things together here and I'll pop in every now and then to ask questions, clarify something etc. As before keep it civil and try to avoid flat refusal of anything without a decent reason. -- Cheese 19:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Umbrella and UBCS reps here

I stand the same on this issue as I did before this Arbitration started. This arbitration is completely unnecessary and useless, I will not stand for our pages being merged as it would easily turn into an edit war. Secondly the editing has stopped, THANK THE ALMIGHTY SPAGHETTI MONSTER, but the editing (from our members) has stopped. There is no internet collar you can put around people's neck to stop them from doing what they want on the internet, we have warned our members and hoped for the best outcome for future members to come. We never gave any instructions for harassment and we have condoned all these acts back on our own forums. Personal wiki attacks/flaming/wiki drama is beyond needing an arbitration, you cannot force people to get along so don't try it as long as it doesn't spill into pages beyond that which is related to the groups pages.

Peace on the wiki, yes I would say its possible if unprovoked, peace in Urban Dead well there is to be no control over that. We will continue the war until we get what we want and if that reflects upon the wiki who gives a fuck.--President Jackson 00:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you did not sent them. But you left them to do at their own will for quite some time. Now, you don't see us going on vandal around you pages. Nevermind, I'm not looking for someone to accuse. All I want is for this hostility to stop. We have nothing against Umbrella Corporation, but apparently you at UC do have some issues with our existence...such a shame. At this point, is clear that you will continue the war in-game until we change our name... all this for a name? --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 03:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Quite some time? I'm not regularly active on the wiki since I never saw a reason to be other than the occasional update of our groups wiki page. So not until this shit started getting reported on our forums I had to come here and spend hours representing Umbrella Corporation and attempting to halt any negative attention! You say I left them to do on their own like I wanted them to, though that Umbrella impersonator was quite hilarious and lead me to discover my favorite song of all time "Jizz in My Pants", regardless, you actually think that I want to deal with this crap!? If you saw on Haliman's talk page before it was deleted ages ago, you would have noted that I FUCKING HATE THIS WIKI DRAMA SHIT and that I wanted nothing to do with Haliman as it takes time and effort and for what!? I was hoping the Haliman Files was going to be the end of it but, for some reason though there has to be some taint that remains that keeps attempting to call me back until I am where we all are today on this wiki. I could be studying my books on Japanese culture instead of having to worry about this shit, except I do get a little enjoyment in the occasional roasting on the discussion pages. However, I am the President of the corporation. As part of my responsibilities and relationship with those who work for Umbrella (RP or not) I will stand and defend it at whatever cost no matter who opposes! (thick Scottish accent) "...AND WE SHALL CRUSH OUR ENEMIES!"--President Jackson 11:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

You tried to steal it. See the other arby case. And it's not only that, you tried to get us fired, refusing an alliance, making slander pages. Besides, your group wants to rename its name to Urban Biohazard Containment Service. And again, the slander pages you and I put up needs to be deleted.--Thadeous Oakley 11:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

To Jackson: What ever...

To Thad: Hmmm... I did not tried to get you fired. Your requests for alliance where not to be agreed. About slander pages, maybe. About the name... we may as I said we will change our group name by our choice not because you want it.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 18:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe? Those slander pages need to go. It is drama, and I thought we would not want that.

Another thing, I'd like a permanent restraining order between both groups. We leave each other alone and we will not make provocations towards each other. Any new problem that comes up after this case will be taken immediately to arbitration and will be handeld by the current arbitrator, Cheese. How does that sound?--Thadeous Oakley 15:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm...Just to avoid the drama... yeah... slander pages...are slander pages, even thought zergers ones are allowed... I may talk about this with Hal.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 17:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it slander, I enjoy flaming these bastards in discussion pages, so far my ego has yet to be put in its place. I'm not even sure if "flaming" is the correct internet term for burning these guys in the discussions but it sure sounds right and I don't care! Ha! I take back what I said earlier about not wanting to come back to the wiki and join in the drama, this is just too satisfying.--President Jackson 00:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

To Jackson: again...what ever... Apparently you are mind challenged. Just so you know, we are trying to end this.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 01:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

This is taking incredibly long. Can't you speak for the UBCS yourself Li? Or is that title you have for the fancy look :/--Thadeous Oakley 20:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

At difference of some people I like to ask first before jumping into decisions...Now with the pages... they may get deleted anyway.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 23:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah? Does asking normally takes this long? And what are you are saying contributes nothing. They may, I might, maybe, perhaps...--Thadeous Oakley 08:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Normally not, but life happens. Well, I'm just answering to what you say. It's not like I have a definitive answer for that. I'm part of the UBCS not the UBCS. But if you want my personal answer, it is no. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 22:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: UBCS is not willing to delete the page. Reason: the information is not harmful and it may be true or not. If it gets deleted then it gets deleted, until that it will stay there.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 00:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Too bad. No deal. Now if you excuse me, I have some slander pages to make.--Thadeous Oakley 14:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Fuck it. Here's the deal. In-game, all hostilities end, no more slander, and we become allies TEMPORARILY to help the NE of Malton, with the option of making it a full alliance if it works out. Let's face it, this war is based on leadership's (both yours and my) personal feelings. Our members are beginning to grow fond of each other, anyways. Both slander pages (Haliman files and the zerg report) are removed, but a copy is still kept. We keep the copies incase the deal is broken by either side. The copies are not visible to anyone. All the UBCS banned IP's and accounts will be unbanned on the UC forums, and we will do the same for your guys. A special permission mask is made for both side so our guys can interact with each other without actually seeing tactical chatter. The war is declared a stalemate seeing as peace has been made. Stop whining about the word Umbrella in our name. When all's said and done, we already changed our name for you guys. You do not own the word Umbrella. This all sounds fair, and to not accept will make Umbrella look unprofessional to the public. If you haven't realized, we aren't the most popular groups, and I think know our groups are the main drama causers on the whole damn wiki. Both of us. Not just you guys. --Haliman - Talk 23:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Two problems. One, you were put through a trial and the verdict was a sustained ban (indefinite) or until the ban timing runs out (years). Why worry about visiting our forums anyway, I'm not one to care to visit yours. Two, the main reason behind our desire to have you drop Umbrella from your group name is because of ideology not OWNERSHIP, of course we attempted to salvage the name because in technicality the UBCS acronym and name DID belong to Umbrella and not Airheadoh, but that takes more explaining. We would, however, not been bothered if another individual tried to resurrect UBCS other than yourself. It was obvious that you were attempting to spite Umbrella through such an a tribulation as getting that title to start your own group to one day rival and perhaps take over Umbrella. This can be backed up by the fact that you tried to start your own Umbrella Corporation both in U.D. and other online games after you were banned, not to mention joining other groups in the hopes of gaining control of some contingent force to attack us, and the failures the other groups that you created which were hardly a blip on the radar of U.D. Another thing, you started a war by PKing one of our members and we aim to finish it, you say victory cannot be had but you would be very much mistaken as can be noted by PK wars of the past (note: Fall of the Imperium). Circumstances could have been different though, you could have joined another Resident Evil themed group (STARS) or if someone later decided to resurrect UBCS you probably could have joined them, but its obvious in your character you wanted control, with the titles you gave yourself (which is totally by the book for someone who would be so egotistical), being in charge of your own group, and not promoting your loyal members til I had suggested it. Now if you step down you'll feel like crap because you "lost" your personal war, but you shouldn't, other than relations with your group would be soo much better because we get along with your members (for the most part). Oh... Anyway, I am all for the peace.--President Jackson 16:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I read that whole thing, then the end. Reminded me of a song. Anyways... We will not drop the word, I will not step down. We're not asking you to do those either. Also, address me on the outcome of the war. Stalemate is all we will accept. --Haliman - Talk 23:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

(watches youtube video) Wow what shitty music, anyway are you calling me a flip flopper? LOL, coming from the biggest hypocrite I know in UD, that means a lot, gives Wan Yao a run for his money.--President Jackson 22:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Read the whole thing and have soo little to say, disappointing. For some reason whatever this song is that you are reminded of fails with "Network Error". According to your groups own recent polls you DO want to drop the name for almost the same reasons we want you to drop it. I am pretty sure asking me to step down has come across in conversation quite a few times, and I am, we're having an election for a new president! Address you on this war? We have over 100 kills on your group which you can deny all you want since we didn't take policy to taking screenshots, but I am pretty sure since we have been keeping record we've continued a very strong lead. You have two war mongers who are dedicated to the belief that the war is in your favor, we have rooted out the weak and all that remain will continue the war until you completely disband, the majority of your members I'm afraid would not be so eager to continue their service say we were to lift amnesty and aim at complete obliteration.--President Jackson 10:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

And yet after I weighed in logic, the polls have become void seeing as half the voters PMed me changing their vote. OOC: Who's running? Man it's gonna take some getting used to to... Well... Get used to the change. :P --Haliman - Talk 16:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

According to our polls? Meh. "the majority of your members I'm afraid would not be so eager to continue their service say we were to lift amnesty and aim at complete obliteration" ?? Actually, the ones that are still on the war will not care for amnesty lift... We are already being shoot. The lift will only affect the ones in amnesty which would be bad. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 20:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Another header

Okay, you guys are just going in circles now and it's getting a bit stale. I'm going to detail what I think might help and you guys can then discuss what you think of it.

My list of possible settlements:

• Deletion of both sets of war pages and UBCS's Umbrella/Zerg page.
• The creation of an Neutral war page containing a screenshot supported list of kills and a neutral description of events.
• A restraining order between UBCS and Umbrella members on the wiki until you guys stop ripping lumps out of each other. Breaches may result in Vandal escalations. -- Cheese 18:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Discuss

Since I will soon not be here to discuss what needs to be addressed I suggest whomever takes over the discussion to review the points made in my statements (nudges Thadeous) since the UBCS obviously will not.--President Jackson 22:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I wish to add to you're points, Cheese. For the zerg report and UBCS war report, the UBCS should have the ability to restore it if UC breaks their side of the deals. They should get the same right with their war report if we ever break our side. Fair? --Haliman - Talk 23:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

No. I don't think so. That's just stupid and all it would serve is to bring everything right back to where you started. -- Cheese 23:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Our page was already deleted so YES on deletion of the other. The war ended over a week ago without having to merger so I don't think that needs to happen. Restraining order, YES. Let's finish this.--President Jackson 08:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Updates

Ok, with an agreement outside of the wiki, we have decided to take down both the zerg report, and the Haliman files, but keep a copy in-case the other side screws something up.

For the war reports, before you delete the two namespaced ones, let us use the facts on them to create an unbiased report. What should the name be? Not in a namespace, of course. "The Battle of the Dagger" sounds nice. Once I get the go ahead, I'll create the page, then per the agreement, I'll request both war reports be speedy deleted. After both sides are done creating the neutral report, a restraining order (hopefully a long one) should be implemented. Discuss. --Haliman - Talk 14:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

We are not merging the war reports. PERIOD. I didn't spend hours cataloging peoples kills just to have them removed. This thing is over, everything else has been done.--President Jackson 14:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

We're going to be using those cataloged kills... --Haliman - Talk 20:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure he means the non screenshots aswell, Lord Grand General Marshall.--Thadeous Oakley 21:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention he is completely disregarding the time and effort involved in making the page, I guess he must not invest that much pride in his own. Internet is serious business at least on this wiki.--President Jackson 23:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

@Thad: I apologize Mr. Co-Chairman Internal Cheating Director of Dictatorship. @Jackson: Weren't you gonna retire? Not to be rushing... Or... Hell. Maybe I am trying to rush :) --Haliman - Talk 00:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

My title was one word long, actually.--Thadeous Oakley 10:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? You two are still going at it like five year olds! Get this case over with already. You did nothing for a month and now you come back and it's same shit as usual.--SirArgo ^Talk 22:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Who's going on like five year olds? I said end this shit already. Just drop the case, nothing good has or will come out of this. Drop the arby Haliman, this shit is old and retarded.--President Jackson 23:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Drop the case? Srsly? I haven't even checked it until Link asked me to get it started again. I'm happy with how it is. Just remember to add The war is over on your page. @Thad: Mr.Co-ChairmanInternalCheatingDirectorofDictatorship. Better? :) --Haliman - Talk 23:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

(facepalm) Just close this fallacious load of crap already -_-.--President Jackson 04:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I CAN'T. THE ADMINS HAVE TO MOVE IT. --Haliman - Talk 15:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Do I really have to facepalm again? If I am talking to you specifically I will use your name.--President Jackson 21:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Final Ruling

Right, in amongst Uni and various trips to the pub (more of them than Uni I think) I completely forgot about this case. Since it's been going on for ages without you guys actually getting anyway I've decided to reach the following ruling:

• The two named parties, Umbrella and Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service, are forbidden from contacting each other on the wiki in any form for a period of 2 months. This is binding and may result in vandal escalations if broken. Furthermore, I reserve the right to extend this ruling beyond the 2 month period for periods of 2 weeks at a time until the two parties are willing to reach agreement and cease arguing with each other. Any problems with this? -- Cheese 22:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all, but that is just speaking from my former position, since both main representatives from Umbrella Corporation are retired and/or resigned it would be of good intentions that Dr. Eddie Ashford is alerted so he may agree on the side of Umbrella Corporation. Also UBCS member Skouth has already violated such ruling.--President Jackson 03:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)