User talk:WanYao

Nota bene before posting here

Post new comments on top, please. And sign them.

Trolling and drama-whoring will not be tolerated. Any post may be deleted at my sole discretion.

Thanks for your time. ;)

Here is an archive of past discussions.

Sooper Sekrit Link to Classyfried Pr0jectz

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not welcome

now that, was funny. yeah, maybe i shouldn't have use vulgarity. either way i'm glad you got i was just fooling around. so can i post on your talk pages again? haha... I understand roleplay perfectly well.. but, is there possibly a way we could change your opinion about being blasphimus of the number XIII? we embrace it to horrify any who come against us. wether they fear superstition, or know the true value and meaning of the number. we are a small section of survivors who bear 13 as a symbol of strenght, power, and fealessness and are unflinchingly loyal to eachother. though devided into smaller groups with seperate goals, we are bound by this, hence, Section 13... Jack ^{S13 T! PC} 16:13, 12 September 2008 (BST)

Question

Hey Wan Yuo, do you mind If I ask you a question? I was wondering if any body ever sujested the idea of being able to look out the windo and see how many zombies are out there. It probally has but I want to make sure. Thanks in advance, Nequa 03:27, 7 September 2008 (BST)

Hundreds of times. Suggest it again and there will be blood. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 03:32, 7 September 2008 (BST)

Yup... It's called X-Ray Vision, and it's spam. Sides, binoculars do exactly what you describe, but only from tall buildings. Equip yourself with some and try it! and... this belongs at the top of the page, eh? --WanYao 03:36, 7 September 2008 (BST)

A short illumination

Thinking loudly about the Kill BlackReaper page you said the following: This should be a Crit 1 speedy ... practically ... I'm actually game for putting this pointless one-man-army pseudo-group up for deletion... but odds are people would vote keep on it. problem is that there is killdeuswhatever and how many other spammy group pages did this guy make??? -WanYao 03:08, 18 August 2008 (BST)

"killdeuswhatever" is not any of PudgeisImbas spammy group pages but the de facto his "inspiration". After he impudently duplicated our page for his cheap wherefores we decided not to complain about it but rather make a joke of it. I personally wouldn´t mind the deletion of Kill BlackReaper but I would certainly become a little edgy if one day I would have to log in and find out that my group is up for Crit 1 speedy deletions...if you know what I mean. --the wallaby^♥ 08:21, 6 September 2008 (BST)

I barely even remember that "case"... I was probably in a foul mood ;) And I really didn't know who started the "trend" or who ripped the idea off, or anything... I think at the time I believed it all to be different incarnations of the same person/group. I think it was a funny as fuck idea when you's first did it. After that, it had been done, thus any further "incarnations" were imnsho kinda pathetic. Any annoying. Hence my annoyance and grouchiness. ;) That's really all I have to say on the matter... Cheers and happy hunting! --WanYao 09:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)

re: Anti-zerging measures

Posts taken from a discussion on a private :( Beerhah.com forum . This is just a start, obviously... It focuses on Finis, but I think it is generally applicable. It also addresses in depth one way of bypassing securities that can't be dealt with -- but also talks about how we can at least get rid of proxies, which are the most common method by which people zerg. It includes links to proxy lists on the internet.

PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS HERE -- unless you have something specifically "technical" to add that will help in implementing anti-zerg measures. This is not here for general discussion, but for informational purposes. However, if you do have such knowledge, please comment! :)

There is some discussion going on on Conndraka's AZM Talk page. If you want to discuss this in more general terms, perhaps that's the best place to go for the moment.

Thanks.

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you could have each character store the ip address that it last used, and when the address changes you have to go through an email re-register process. so if your ip changes a lot (to get around the ip limit) you would have to be constantly re-registering, which would be a pain for anyone who uses proxies, without totally blocking them.

This will inconvenience dial up users (and some people with ISPs with annoyingly configured DHCP servers) since their IP changes every time they connect.

But as for blocking proxies, DroneBL and EFnet's blacklist will, used together, detect most open proxies -- with two rather simple DNS lookups per login.

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If he's just spoofing his IP then a reverse-DNS lookup should shut him down. Kevan would have to implement that from the web server. I've only ever heard of reverse-DNS lookups in relation to email spam filters, but there's gotta be a way to do it from a web page.

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Well... I really doubt that Finis is using only open proxies and TOR. There are some serious issues, and I'm pretty sure that using public proxies to zerg with ~50 alts is impossible... why?

Short example: 1) Let's take one of most known open proxy list - http://proxy4free.com/page1.html 2) Pick up a proxy, open firefox settings and configure it to use that proxy 3) Try to refresh google.com ... connection refused... reset while loading... ? pick a different proxy and try again 4) Try again and again and again... on average you should find a working proxy after checking ~5. 5) Ok... now refresh... hmm - yup - 20 second long lag... you have to get used. 6) Now try to instakill someone by opening 40 tabs with attack links (using various GM scripts or bookmarks) 7) See some 'connection refused' messages...

Ok... now try with TOR - except that you'll have a bigger lag, and your connection will go down less often it will be pretty similar. What I'm trying to say - using public proxies and open anonymity networks like tor is too unreliable to play 50 alts. We have to remember that Finis wins almost every real time combat - it would be impossible with proxies... So... how?

I can see 3 possibilities: 1) commercial, anonymity software/proxies - I seriously doubt - they're really expensive... 2) many IP addresses from different ISPs/networks - also not believable unless he's a really wealthy person... 3) ssh tunnels - it's a cheap and reliable solution - I'll say something more about it:

To use a ssh tunnel you need to have a shell account - very often you can get it for free in your school/work/university if you speak with your network admin. If you have friends working in IT you may try to ask them. Also - many commercial shell accounts are quite cheap (often 5$ - 20$ per year), if you spend some time looking you'll find non-commercial free shell services.

How does it work? Simply - when you have an account you log in via an ssh client, open a tunnel, and configure your browser to use this tunnel like a proxy. It's technically not a proxy, so all proxy-related caching and delay issues don't appear here - in most cases it will slow down our connection by about 0.5 - 1 second without any other noticeable effects.

Benefits of such solution: 1) Your connection looks like it was established from the SSH server, and not from your computer. There is no way to tell if someone is using a tunnel. 2) As said before - it's really cheap (or free) and reliable. 3) Opening SSH connections takes few seconds, if you open many connections before, and use a [censored] firefox extension switching requires 2 clicks with your mouse.

Why do I think that finis is using it: We have few IPs used by him to post on various forums. 3 of them are from different networks in Romania/Bucharest - it suggest using accounts located in his work(s) or provided by his friends (well... the only problem is that I doubt that somebody spending 8 hours per day playing UD may have friends).

How to ban such tunnels... as far as I know there is no way...

I'm not saying that he's not using free HTTP proxies for some of his zergs - we noticed that when http://proxy4free.com/ service wasn't available some of his zergs were much less active.

So... we definitely should think about banning proxies, even if it's not going to stop finis. Using several blacklist will be helpful, but won't block many proxies appearing for 1-2 days (which aren't intended to be public proxies, and their availability is just a result of a misconfiguration). However - we can ban all public proxies - using a known method of scanning every new connecting host on common proxy ports (80, 3128 and 8080) and checking proxy service availability (we don't wanna ban people who just have a HTTP server running in their network = 90% of internet users).

Checking reverse-DNS won't help - it's used by mail servers to verify hostnames of other mail servers in order to avoid relying mail from infected-spam-PCs (all important internet servers have reverse-DNS entries configured, while almost all private PCs (even with public IPs) don't) - it simply allows to tell if it's a well known and configured mail server, or just a PC which was infected by a spam mallware and just pretends to be a mail server. Back to top

synIRC.net also apparently scans for open proxies somehow

you get this message upon logging in:

"synIRC.net will scan your IP for open proxies upon connection to our services."

so it can be done... -WanYao 13:51, 6 September 2008 (BST)

Talk page

Couple of things... 1. I have NO problem with you responding on my talk page to another posters comments... If its applicable open up... 2, Just because I disagree with you doesn't necessarily mean I don't like you. I have some pretty strong beliefs about certain things on the wiki... You beleive differently in regards to some aspects and I respect that. Anyone who can maintain a modecrum of decorum while maintaining their own stances and beliefs is a-ok in my book. I actually do like a good deal of what you have done on the wiki and really wish you had pursued that Mod bid. 3. I would like to see some civility guidelines established but considering the current rules of voting and the propensity of those who actually vote to be opposed to such issues, the Wiki is currently a "Tyranny of the Masses" and is not likely to change in the foreseeable future. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 23:42, 4 September 2008 (BST)

And...

In addition to our encounter with the whole combat revive, it seems you also have an active character who at least visits dulston as well... where i've been trying to wake up the sleepy survivors to the fact that the safest suburb is not, in fact, safe at all. - tylerisfat 02:41, 3 September 2008 (BST)

AZM

Lets see what we can do... if anything. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:57, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Well, I'm waiting on whether Kevan will reply to my comment on his Talk page... Beyond that, we shall see... I don't want to get far ahead of ourselves... But I did comment on the AZM Talk page... And noted the existence of thread about this on Beerhah.com dealing with taking a proactive approach to the zerging thing. It was either Viktor Surkhov (sp?) of 404: Barhah Not Found or Murray J Suskind (yup, the former papa of the RRF) who started the discussion, I think the latter, but it was a while ago, and I don't even remember if it was in a general access forum, or in the Beavers' private forums... ;( But it's there... somewhere... --WanYao 17:38, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Wasn't Quite Spam

I've said this to you about a different aspect of spamination already. Please familiarize yourself with the rules on when a suggestion may be spaminated before doing it again. You might also want to pay more attention to whether the votes in the Spam/Dupe section are in fact Spams or just Dupes. The amount of Spams in this suggestion wasn't even half, let alone the two thirds required for spamination by regular users. If you want more liberties in spaminating suggestions, you should know where to get them. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 15:40, 1 September 2008 (BST)

What are you talking about??? 11 Spam/Dupe votes (Technically 10 Spam or Spam/dupes plus 1 plain Dupe), 2 Keep, 3 Kill. That's SPAM. Rules are at least 7 Spam votes and 2/3 of votes being spam. And, the DUPE status was sorta debatable, so I erred on the side of non-dupe. Furthermore, I spaminated the Suggestion well after the 6 hour limit... All these rules that you say I don't know I pulled from memory... And about an hour later, Karek came and confirmed it as Spam, moving and protecting the page.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Please don't make come on to my Talk page and make baseless accusations and snide comments that just have no place being made at all. Ok? Thanks. --WanYao 19:24, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Sorry, got mixed up a bit, as it's actually just a matter of interpreting that one vote while I thought it was much worse. Next time I'll wait until I'm less tired before yelling at people. Sorry. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 20:08, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Apology accepted... :) It's usually a good idea to have a cup 'o joe under your belt and/or a decent night's rest before dealing with the wiki... A lesson I myself have learned the hard way. ;P --WanYao 17:32, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Radio Enlightenment

In 2006, Citizen M claimed the frequency for Enlightened Broadcast (later Enlightenment Radio)
Because I don't feel like digging through the Knights' wiki to find when it was added, Down by Recruitment is a radio template with the frequency
For whatever reason, in 2007, Ekashp changes it to Those Dudes' radio. He gives no notice of it, nor any mention. He just does it. The edits directly before it still show it as Enlightened Broadcast.

And, I might add, I mentioned that Enlightenment Radio is now a Pirate Radio Broadcast. We no longer lay any claim to 27.98, because nobody listens to it. We now broadcast on relevant local channels (relevant meaning: our victims will hear it), and we have been doing so since at least October 2007, when we broadcast a poem to Hildebrand Mall for the Samhain Slaughter. Next time, Wan, look harder, and, like I do at 11:05 AM with a cup of tea and some schnapps, Praise Knowledge! --DT^PK 19:07, 31 August 2008 (BST)

You yourself say, "Because I don't feel like digging through the Knights' wiki to find when it was added". Exactly! I don't feel like digging through the edit histories, and other various minutiae, of groups I am only peripherally familiar with. And I shouldn't really have to... I don't think that's unreasonable. But, given what I could figure out by a quick poking around the different groups' wiki pages, I corrected what appeared to be an erroneous and/or misleading entry: I couldn't immediately find any information supporting either claim to the station, so I went with what appeared to be the orginal -- therefore most likely "authoritative" version of things. Then I went through the appropriate and polite channels (i.e., your Talk page) in attempt to clear things up. Simple, really. Anyhooo... thanks for your time. Santé! --WanYao 01:00, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Also contacted Those Dudes to see what their take on this is.... --WanYao 02:28, 1 September 2008 (BST)

This misunderstanding has been resolved. However, User:DT is no longer welcome on this Talk page. --WanYao 06:02, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Hey Wan, it's Doom

Just want to let you know, now that the Finis thing is pretty much over, and Santlerville is a good old happy place now, my alts free to do whatever so if you've got anything you need help on I'll send him over. Anywhere (except West Grayside and Wyke Hills, and he can't deal with the MOB crisis in the South, the Watch is already on it), and I can go, or even roll with you if needed.

Also, did someone delete your user page? It's empty save the quote at top, or my browser's got issues.

Oh, I noticed you're changing you user page, hope it looks good. Plus I forgot to sign. --Apocalyptic doom, 30 August 2008, 9:54AM (EST).

Hullo ... Yeah, I'm changing the user page because I am distancing myself from various dramafests... I'll probably add something back to it later on... Also, I can't deal with the Watch seeing as the MOB is in the area atm... But thanks for dropping by! :) --WanYao 20:31, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Wait, 77AP? Is it even possible to fix that? --Apocalyptic doom 10:20, 1 September 2008 (EST)

Reply

About the suggestions talk page, i'm continuing that discussion with you on my talk page, just so you are aware. - tylerisfat 03:29, 29 August 2008 (BST)

replied - tylerisfat 03:37, 29 August 2008 (BST)

and again - tylerisfat 10:09, 29 August 2008 (BST)

yakitty yak, talk talk back...--WanYao 10:20, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Excuse me...

...I would contact you on the appropriate forums, IRC channel, or talk page if I knew exactly which forums, IRC channel, or talk page that you are referring to or I would contact you in-game if had a way to do so. Seeing as how those methods of contacting you are beyond my grasp, I'll contact you here, as the wiki is apparently not too unworthy of your time for you to keep correcting my activity. About that, though your response was a bit aggressive in tone, I just want to clear things up in saying that the spam/vandalism that you've scolded me for has been completely unintentional. If I'm erring, its because I lack editing propriety (which I apparently do), not because I'm trying to manipulate this wiki to suit my own agenda, as you seem to imply.

That said, thank you for your editorial help and correction. I hope that any future correspondence can be on friendlier terms. Finn the Fox 23:36, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Replied. --WanYao 00:19, 25 August 2008 (BST)

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion%3A20080825_Searching_In_A_Dark_Building&diff=1258243&oldid=1258242

This is ass, man. A lot of fine suggestions never go through Talk: Suggestions, and Jon doesn't spam the suggestion page; if anything, his suggestions have a better signal to noise ratio than average. A lot of them are quite good, and helpful to zombies.  Swiers 22:03, 25 August 2008 (BST)

Strange that you ignore everything he's done for the last 2 years on the suggestions page for things he's claimed to have suggested that were suggested multiple times by multiple people 2-3 years ago. He's gotten better about it since his little self imposed break but you can't seriously be claiming 2007 never happened.--Karek^maps?! 00:08, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I know I haven't been here for very long, and I probably shouldn't even get into this but I can't resist. Do you really thing he had that much to do with any of those things that made it in, if he even had anything at all to do with them? I don't think he's a bad guy, but when it comes to suggestions I don't see how he can go from creating stuff like that to the stuff he's put up recently...--SirArgo ^Talk 00:16, 26 August 2008 (BST)

i was venting... and, yeah, i am well aware that i was totally over-the-fucking top... that was the point... But, sadly, 2007 *did* happen, yeah... and even just a month or two ago he was still spamming the suggestions page almost every day... and he NEVER post ideas to Talk:Suggestions... some of his ideas DO have merit, though, like this one... and that's exactly my point... now, this idea, because it wasn't properly developed and fleshed out, will be an eternal DUPE... Too bad. There are many good reasons why it's strongly recommended that people post an idea to Talk:Suggestions before putting it up for voting... And the fact that Talk:Suggestions is a giant fucking trolls' free for all is deeply regrettable.... but I have a position on how to deal with that kind of stuff... thing is, it's not something that seems to fly very well... and i accept that... though, nope, not without a bit of shitstorm to go along with it... ;P --WanYao 02:00, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I wasn't around for a good chunk of 2007, I think. As for the duping issue- all it takes is he either pulls the suggestion and it gets re-submitted, or it goes to undecided, or some brave sole has the nads to take the dupe brigade to arbitration when the suggestion is notably different, as the guidelines specifically say not to make dupe votes in that case.
And yeah, I do believe he developed a lot of those ideas. I remember voting on them.
And yea, I do understand your frustrations, WanYao, and can even understand why John might be a focus / trigger for them. But really, I think you sorta make yourself look bad by such unmerited attacks.  Swiers 04:54, 26 August 2008 (BST)

The thing is, being calm, nice, reasonable doesn't get you anywhere. I've tried that... Sure, the other calm, nice, mature and resonable people will deal with you in like fashion... But for every one of those, you're going to 2 or 3 fucking twat trolls and spammers... Who completely drown out the former... So you're left with a couple of choices after that: you don't bother anymore, you walk away... or you fight fire with fire and you escalate... Sadly, all three choices suck, and fail.

Frankly, I think the entire Suggestions system is a completely and utterly broken disaster... It's a troll's playground, a complete free for all. I think it really ought to just be shut right down, scrapped... Actually, I've come to pretty much the same conclusion regarding the entire wiki: it's utterly, completely fucking broken, and a free-for all troll's playground... and there's nothing you can do about it. Nothing...

So, yeah... I'm frustrated... Does it show??? ;) But seriously, I believe the wiki is simply broken. Period. It's a joke -- the suggestions thing just happens to be a flashpoint for the disaster, is all... And I respect anyone who actually is trying to slog it through, and take "the high road" -- as you two, swiers and karek, both attempt do... But I don't have the patience for it, I really don't... And, the sad thing is I know I'm not alone. Look at how many good users (including sysops) have walked away... and how many more never get involved in the first place... Serial trolling is killing the wiki; and zerging is killing the game itself... For the moment, I do have the patience to slog through the latter mess, because the game is still fun, and the community is worthwhile... but for how long? I seriously wonder how many more days Urban Dead has left, if something isn't done to fix the wiki and the zerging issue...... Hmph. --WanYao 11:59, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Does it really matter if suggestions is a broken free for all trolls playground? Or the wiki for that matter? Suggestions is junk, maybe it gives kevan ideas for what to implement, maybe it doesn't. Either way changing it wouldn't do jack, it has no real effect on the game and thus is barely worth the time people invest in it now, let alone more than that. As for the wiki, it gets the job done informing your average player about what to do and where to go. imhop that's not a bad effort.--xoxo 12:28, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I don't like how you say that the wiki is a trolls playground, when lets be honest, you spend a large amount of your edits trolling suggestion pages. The other thing that caught me off guard was how you said that being reasonable doesn't get you anywhere. Excuse me but....what do you gain from being shit to everyone who either A) Posts a suggestion and is not in a position of power and b) Posts some POV on a suburb page? It just makes the newbs not want to edit anymore. Most of them don't know what POV is, but you flame them anyway. I know, I was one of them, and you made me want to give up wiki-ing altogether. If you want to complain about the trolls on this wiki, then you need to not be one yourself, not flame people (which starts troll wars, which is a waste of time) and most fucking importantly, be a good user. I don't get your logic in saying the wiki is shit, so you will be shit aswell, because it's easier that way. It's a pathetic attitude.--CyberRead240 12:57, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Also, don't take it as a complete flame, while it is sort of that, it is mostly out of both frustration towards your agenda on this wiki, and because you really, really give me the shits when you comment on suggestions.--CyberRead240 13:00, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Oh come on, as if... Yeah, I can be a dick. I'm the first one to admit that. However there is a huge difference between almost all of my posts -- even the dickish ones -- and the kind of bullshit, asshole trolling that I am talking about. You can tell the difference. Or you really should be able to tell the difference... and if you can't... well... I don't know what to say... And, I'm sorry if you're butthurt because I flamed out on you several months ago over NPOV shit... But you yourself weren't all that upstanding in your comportment in all that... And, frankly, aren't to this day... Meanwhile, outside of the Suggestions page and dealing with a certain degree of snideness towards a particular group's representatives who are well known ASSHOLES... I think I've actually been pretty decent in dealing with NPOV stuff. Not always Dr. Phil meets Oprah in Deanna Troy's chambers for tea, but not the SA wannabe you seem to trying to paint me as .. So, not only are you a very, very dark pot calling a kettle black, you're also not even on base... Yeah... But thanks for the input, have a nice day. Ciao. --WanYao 16:25, 26 August 2008 (BST)

And... re: the suggestions page... Get your facts straight. Go read my contributions. No, go actually FUCKING READ THEM. And go see the many times that I am very constructive... And then look at when I am jerk, and why? I am a jerk when someone posts completely broken garbage... What, am I supposed to be all nice and Oprah to people who don't even do their basic homework? No. Get a grip. Especially considering that you and your buddies are some of the biggest spam-trolls on that page. Give me a break. --WanYao 16:34, 26 August 2008 (BST)

And... User:Sexylegsread you are not welcome on this Talk page. Please do not post here again. --WanYao 16:39, 26 August 2008 (BST)

If I felt WanYao was just another asshole in the crowd, I wouldn't have bothered starting this discussion, Sexylegsread.  Swiers 06:40, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Please, call him Sexy....or Read...if you'd prefer...--xoxo 06:48, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Mr. Read was asked not to post here not because I felt anything that was said above was particularly bad or out of line. Wrong? Misguided? Maybe... No. Rather, I went to the Talk:Suggestions page to poke around... And what did I see? A whole SLEW of "Wan's an asshole" and "Wan's a troll" spam from Mr. Read. Far more than I'd remembered, or expected. I was not impressed... So I made the decision, based on that, that I don't want to talk to him or deal with that. That's the reasoning... And, yeah, I read the post on Sweir's Talk page... And, without abdicating my responsibility for my own actions... The atmosphere of much of this wiki really isn't very conducive for, or fostering to (for me anyway), things constructive... That's really about it, I think that says a enough... --WanYao 07:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)

UDWiki:Image Categorisation

Come on Wan! Me having to tell you where something is on the wiki? You're slipping old man. What what? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:43, 12 August 2008 (BST)

stressful fucking day. i don't wanna think! ;P

I normally dont even cat the images if they arent being used, and then ask a sysop to delete them after two weeks. Its a scheduled deletion or something--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:21, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Category:Unused Images is actually decently helpful. Even if we also have a Special page that does the same thing. It keeps the image out of the way of the other people categorizing images.--Karek^maps?! 22:41, 12 August 2008 (BST)