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:::I think a better system would be to ignore body parts. '''You gouge...''' or '''You tear''', Claw, Swipe, rend, scratch grab. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:36, 3 October 2009 (BST)
:::I think a better system would be to ignore body parts. '''You gouge...''' or '''You tear''', Claw, Swipe, rend, scratch grab. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:36, 3 October 2009 (BST)
::::Agreed.  It just looked like the discussion was headed in the direction of specific locations.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:34, 5 October 2009 (BST)
::::Agreed.  It just looked like the discussion was headed in the direction of specific locations.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 05:34, 5 October 2009 (BST)
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===Ingame-Event Email Notification===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:ZuS|ZuS]] 21:52, 27 September 2009 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' A way to choose to be bothered with ingame events while not logged in
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|'''Scope:''' Available to all players
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|'''Description:''' I just logged in to a familiar scene: 3 messages with "Lights go out in..." and one involving <Spy Name> destroying the generator in my building. Awesome. So what was I and 20 other survivors doing while some random guy entered and smashed the single most valuable possession in 4 adjacent buildings, including the one I was in? We were catatonic.
The suggestion is very simple: allow players to choose to receive an email if one of limited range of events occur.
'''Mechanics:'''
It should be a single ONE event per day, it should be specified before you log off (or else the email is not sent), and should be something obvious to your character, like someone blunting the axe on the generator or chewing your leg. It could be a drop down menu with options as simple as: "''Guard <item(barricade,genny,radio)/person/yourself>''" if you are a survivor, or "''Sniff <human/zombie/new arrivals to area>''" if you are a zombie.
Naturally, someone guarding the barricade would not notice a Free-runner comming in, destroying the generator and leaving. And someone guarding the generator would not notice zombies eating everyone present alive. It is the ONE option that you chose, onlye ONE email per day and only IF the event actually happens. Of course, the developers could chose to have some fun with this and allow a % chance of sending you a random vivid nightmare, because you dozed off at watch.
'''Content of the email:'''
The email could contain something like: "While you are picking your nose, <PKer Name> enters the building, takes out 3 pistols and a shotgun and starts emptying them into <Victim>. You watch as blood and brain tissue are plastered on the walls. You wait in suspense to see if you're next!"
The text could be less informative as well, maybe generated from a number of different messages depending on the event itself. "You hear banging on the door." might be the only content of an email sent to someone who was ''Guarding the door'', in an event of a zombie breaking in or a player trying to enter a too heavily baricaded location.
'''But we will be doing nothing but sending emails then!'''
It's only one email per player per day, and only if they choose to set it at log-off AND the event actually happens. Worst case: 70% of the population is logged off and the other 30% of population manages to trigger ALL the events - a completely impossible scenario - you have to send 25k emails during that particular day. If that is too much, maybe consider just one per week or make the option cost some AP. The "remember to play the game" effect is more than worth the trouble.
Implementing something like this would engage players more in the real-time environment. I personally like the idea of possibly being detected as I approach a group of 20 zombies and start shotgun-blasting one of them. And I certainly like the idea of noticing someone smashing my stuff or friends and giving him a piece of my mind together with some buckshot.
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====Discussion (Ingame-Event Email Notification)====
If someone is asleep then someone is asleep. Our characters go to sleep when they run out of AP, and are effectively asleep when we log off. If they're going to wake up due to some in-game reason, then it needs to make sense...and having someone wake up for a genny being attacked but not for a horde storming through the door does not make sense. I just see this as being the wrong approach. It's arbitrary (users are forced to select only one choice from among several, why?), complicated (how would an interface for this work?), and doesn't make in-game sense (zombie hordes breaking through the barricades are louder than GKers doing their dirty work, so why hear one but not the other?). All of that said, the idea does seem intriguing, and might be more feasible if it had a bit of a different twist.
What about something more like an intruder alarm or a motion detector? Make it an item that could be found, installed, and destroyed in a manner identical to that of a Transmitter. If a breach in the barricades occurs, a single e-mail could be sent out to all active survivors inside the building. A single checkbox on the Settings page could handle opting in/out of the notifications. And then rather than assigning some arbitrary rate on the number of e-mails sent per day, the survivor should instead receive one e-mail with a notification, and should be informed in that e-mail that they will not receive any additional notifications until they log back in (essentially, it would work identically to the way that many message boards handle notifying users of new posts in topics that they subscribe to). This ensures that people get notifications exactly as often as they act on them and that the server doesn't send unnecessary e-mails, while also ensuring that only a subset of the population is illegible to receive the e-mails at any given time.
That said, I'm not sure that I would even support my own idea if someone else put it up as a suggestion (if someone else wants to run with it, by all means, do so, since I have no intention of pursuing it), but it's just there as a demonstration of what this suggestion might look like if the layers of arbitrariness were removed. All I mean to say is that the current suggestion makes little sense in or out of the game, and isn't a very elegant solution to what appears to be a minor problem. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:54, 27 September 2009 (BST)
:I like the concept of it being possible with an item, similar to a radio transmitter.  This would mean that you could only have one in a location at once, and it could be destroyed.  There would have to be the opt-out option in settings, and I think it should only affect barricades.  That being said, I have no intention of pursuing it as a suggestion either because I don't think it is needed.  Either you're on UD and you're watching the 'cades by refreshing your page every so often, or you're offline.  I don't want pseudo-players. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:24, 1 October 2009 (BST)
Instantaneous response to break-ins is severely overpowered, and this is a crapload of bandwidth spam that you want Kevan to handle out-of-pocket? How about no. 25k a day, or even 25k a week, is patently absurd. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 23:57, 27 September 2009 (BST)
:Yeah, I know. And boy do I like to abuse it when I get the chance. FAK, FAK, FAK, FAK woah, that guy has 300hp! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:37, 28 September 2009 (BST)
Ew. No thanks. As nice as it would be for pro-survivors to have this kind of thing, they're already in a strong position and need no more help against zombie break-ins at all. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:16, 28 September 2009 (BST)
It is hard to tell, but from what it SOUNDS like reading it more than once, if [event] occurs, I get an email sent to me, the player.  Assuming I check my email every minute, I then have to log in and "respond".  Is that about right?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:19, 28 September 2009 (BST)
:(There are ways to be notified of e-mails instantaneously, e.g. e-mail program in the system tray or idling, mobile e-mail alerts. If warned like I have been before through IM chat, I can respond in ten seconds or so) --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:07, 28 September 2009 (BST)
::That doesn't alter what I said.  You play the game and "set" this before leaving.  Then, Sometime within the next 25 hours (the normal time in which people wait so they can maximize their ap with each play), you get a message (via email or IM or whatever) that "something happened".  The whole suggestion rests on the idea that most of us players spend all our waking moments checking emails (or have immediate access to a computer if via some other form like phone message) and such where this would be useful.  As I said, you'd have to be checking your email every few minutes and, if your going to be doing that, your online and you might as well just be logged into the game itself so you could react immediately.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 07:25, 28 September 2009 (BST)
:::That doesn't alter what I said either. I don't have to check my e-mail, I have Thunderbird open all the time and get a pop-up and fancy beeps the moment I receive anything. I don't have to check, it's automatic. Same with the phone, and phones have browsers too. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 16:06, 28 September 2009 (BST)
::::I think this is the big issue. Between push notifications on my iPhone (which has a nice browser with UD bookmarked) and background processes on my desktop, I can, without my active involvement and at any time of day, get notified within one minute when something worthy of a notification occurs . Effectively, it'd be the same as if I was logging in and refreshing constantly, except that I wouldn't actually have to do that (which also means I'd be able to circumvent the IP hit limit conveniently). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:59, 28 September 2009 (BST)
::::Ok, so you get your message....then what do you do?  You have to log into the game, right?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:35, 29 September 2009 (BST)  You know what?  Nevermind.  My point was that something like this would only be useful for the small handful of players that have immediate access to the game at a moment's notice (when the message arrives).  Most players can't (which is one of the reasons AP suggestions always fail, but I digress).  If you have access to the game that quickly, why would you bother with emails or texts or other messages when you can be IN the game constantly?--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 04:38, 29 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Two reasons: first, you don't have to waste IP hits by refreshing to see how things are going, and second, it takes no action on your part (i.e. it's entirely passive). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:43, 29 September 2009 (BST)
::::::I forgot about the IP limit.  But it isn't entirely passive.  You still have to log in and respond.  It isn't like the suggestion is saying you have an "auto response" to the event.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 03:25, 30 September 2009 (BST)
:::::::Right now, someone wanting this sort of functionality has to engage in two actions: refreshing regularly, and then responding when a condition is met. With this suggestion, the refreshing part is cut out, hence my reference to it being passive, but I can see where you're coming from, and I think we're just talking semantics at this point. Sorry for the confusion. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:29, 30 September 2009 (BST)
::::::::Probably.  No big deal.  The author's primary argument is that a character should be able to react when something happens and the player is not logged in.  I'm not sure an email message would help much (or, more to the point, only those that have quick access would have the advantage).  Instead, what if a player who wanted to "react" when they weren't online could do so by allocating AP for it?  Say, for example, he allocated 5 AP to "guarding" the generator.  The 5 AP would be deducted immediately then, when the player is logged out, the next 5 times someone attempts to attack the generator, the "guard" would respond (attack the gker).  If there is a 6th attack, well tough, your out of allocated AP for guarding.  Just a rough example idea, but it wouldn't be an auto-attack because you would be spending the AP  on it (ie. not a free ability).  And if nobody attacks the generator?  Your still out the AP you allocated.--[[User:Pesatyel|Pesatyel]] 06:55, 30 September 2009 (BST)
I think most people understood the proposal correctly. A couple of thoughts on the first some posts :)
1) I don't buy the arbitrary nature of the suggestion as an argument against it - it's available to both humans and zombies as a general awareness of stuff you just can not sleep through. A % chance of not being alerted is not impossible to implement, if the event can forego unnoticed.
2) Zombies can't use motion sensors, but they might be able to hear/see/smell a human entering their area and emptying 5 shotguns into the zombie they stand next to.
3) It is only one event per day because of email limit and a potential to have people cooperate with different alerts, thus promoting community play - wee.
4) It's perfectly fine that someone would notice a generator being smashed, but not the barricades and vice versa, because the generator might be in the basement. Same goes for zombies standing in the same block of the city, they can choose to actually roam together or a few streets apart.
5) If you respond to an email in 10 seconds, I don't know what to say to that really - if you have 10 people resonding in 10 seconds, yea in that case it's overpowered. But most people are not your kind of crazy, and sending the mail when it's convenient for the server might be more than a minute away as well. I think for most people this would be a curiousity and something that reminds them to log on like 4 days after they logged off, maybe even help get them hooked - not a bad deal for UD in general. For me it would do 3 things: give me a chance to release my frustration with cross-teaming characters leveled solely for the purpose of helping the other team do stuff usually impossible for them - it would at the very least leave their name in my inbox; a chance to coop with perfect strangers about little stuff in the game, like splitting the choirs of sleeping next to the door and the generator; and the excitement of attacking a zombie that is potentially going to awaken and attack me back - I think that would be awesome.
6) Yea, the bandwidth might be a problem, depending on the server config. For my personal computer 25k emails(don't get mind-stuck with this number, it's the worst case that can happen only in my wildest dreams) would take a minute.{{unsigned|ZuS}}
:"I think for most people this would be a curiousity". Well, clearly not, because I don't see a single positive review of this suggestion. --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 07:38, 28 September 2009 (BST)
I like it but I see a lot of problems, mainly because a lot of people have roaming internet through phones/laptops etc and they can be set to give an alert when you recieve an e-mail. however i doubt if many folk have access to that all the time as, well, people do sleep. All said and done though I would prefer to see this as a new "perk" for donations... not many people are going to find this useful and those who do can damn well give Kevan a fiver for the slight edge it would give them. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:20, 28 September 2009 (BST)
:I must say I'm intrigued.  However it would provide some terrible power to zerg sentries who could hang out in various buildings and just monitor whatever is going on.  Also, if you check a box to send alerts it should by default become unchecked within 24 hours, that way people who create characters and abandon them aren't contributing to server load with endless email requests.  Finally, Honestmistake has a decent idea about it being a donation perk.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 11:38, 28 September 2009 (BST)
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Bravely climbs the wall of text.*...Nope, won't work.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:48, 28 September 2009 (BST)
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Suggestions

Bikers Store

Timestamp: M arcusF ilby T 00:23, 6 October 2009 (BST)
Type: Unique Location
Scope: Everyone
Description: The Bikers' Store would be an addition to one of the malls - Pole or Blesley, preferably - carrying a variety of fashions common to motorcyclists of various stripes - rice rocket racers, touring/club bikers, western-style bikers, vet/army surplus riders, motocross racers, etc. Not as familiar with the European riding scene as the American one, so if there's something I'm neglecting please offer your insight.

Face

  • a pair of aviator's goggles
  • a pair of wraparound sunglasses

Head

  • a <colour> full-face motorcycle helmet
  • a <colour> open-face motorcycle helmet
  • a <colour> German motorcycle helmet
  • a <colour> ATV motorcycle helmet
  • a <colour> bandanna1
  • a <colour> cowboy hat
  • a <colour> khepi hat2
  • a <colour> beret3
  • a horned Viking helmet

Neck

  • a <colour> bandanna1
  • a studded leather collar

Shirt

  • a <colour> T-shirt4
  • a sleeveless <colour> army surplus shirt4

Jacket

  • a <colour> leather jacket6
  • a leather club jacket
  • a <colour> leather racing jacket
  • a <colour> army surplus jacket
  • a <colour> padded leather jacket
  • a camouflage jacket

Coat

  • a <colour> duster5
  • a bright yellow rain slicker

Trousers

  • a pair of <colour> chaps over jeans
  • a pair of <colour> leather pants6
  • a pair of camouflage trousers

Boots

  • a pair of <colour> leather boots6
  • a pair of steel toe-capped boots
  • a pair of studded leather boots
  1. in existing colours plus plaid, skull-print, iron cross, and pirate.
  2. limited to blue, gray or khaki.
  3. limited to red, green, black and blue.
  4. in existing colours plus black skull, flaming skull, iron cross, pirate, Bule, Hurley Davidsen, Triton, Triamfe, and Docuti.
  5. limited to black, brown, olive or khaki.
  6. leather clothes are limited to black, brown and red.

Discussion (Bikers Store)

Why a store? You can add it as a clothes suggestion.--Orange Talk 00:49, 6 October 2009 (BST)

While talking it over with a pal, one idea became several on a theme... seemed to be more tidy to roll them up into one suggestion than 16 or so separate ones. Less spam on the suggestion page, anyway. BTW, random aside - love the nav template code on your userpage. Inspired. :) - M arcusF ilby T 02:01, 6 October 2009 (BST)
Your missing the point. This is a clothing suggestion. Unless said location contained actual items, that's all it is.--Pesatyel 06:14, 6 October 2009 (BST)
Alright - debate over what type of suggestion this is aside for the time being, anyone have any suggestions as to its substance? - M arcusF ilby T 17:59, 6 October 2009 (BST)

Surely this is suggesting a unique location? Like the Goth Store? Rather than simply a clothing suggestion? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:09, 6 October 2009 (BST)

The store would only have clothing, hence it being a clothing suggestion. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:01, 7 October 2009 (BST)
I still think stores are votes under the main system. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:38, 7 October 2009 (BST)

Screwing with Generators!

Timestamp: Cookies and Cream 12:52, 4 October 2009 (BST)
Type: Multiple
Scope: Everyone
Description: This is a multiple part sugestion.

Part 1: Different buildings have different Generator lasting times. I suggest: Offices 100 Hours; Necrotechs 60 hours; Hospitals 60 hours; Motels 100 hours; Schools 80 hours; Malls 40 hours; Forts 50 hours. If I have missed any, or you want different times, place in discussion.

Part 2: When the Generator gets on low fuel, the lights should dim and be less powerful, therefore reducing Search Rates and. Standing outside a Dim building would be: You can see dim lights flickering in the building. Inside would be: The lights are dim.

If you dont like it, FLAME IT!

Discussion (Screwing with Generators!)

I don't like the different fuel times, but I do like the idea of additional flavour text. Having the "dim lights" stuff when the generator is running low on fuel would be a nice touch. We're coming to get you, Barbara 13:18, 4 October 2009 (BST)

I agree with the above mentioned gentleman. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:25, 4 October 2009 (BST)
Great idea. Not so keen on the suggestion listed here, but Misanthropy's idea sounds like it'd be a quality change (I think this is the third time I've agreed with him in the last 48 hours...). —Aichon— 14:00, 4 October 2009 (BST)
Ditto to that; lower search rates are dumb, but more flavor and a bit of info sounds fine to me. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 16:25, 4 October 2009 (BST)

I think the argument is presuming that said buildings have everything running which they probably would not. Well, Necrotech buildings and hospitals maybe. But the people in the buildings would be minimal energy I'd imagine so "in game" that can be easy to explain why a generator has the same fuel span in all buildings. Other than that and, as others said, the "dim lights" part isn't bad.--Pesatyel 20:24, 4 October 2009 (BST)

There wouldn't be any machinery or special equipment that would justify the change in fuel times. Except possibly hospitals, due to the Surgery skill, and NTs, due to Syringe Manufacture. But the dim lights sounds great, but what kind of reduced search rates are you thinking of? As flavour text, it'd be a great addition, but reducing search rates may have opposition. --RahrahCome join the #party!20:31, 4 October 2009 (BST)

The differing fuel times doesn't really work considering that all the generators in Malton are portable generators that people have picked up from a mall or a factory, and presumably pretty standard. So the time doesn't really make sense. I definitely love the dim lights flavour text, though as said above the reduced search rates might be hard to pass. Personally, I wouldn't mind. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 09:52, 5 October 2009 (BST)

This would be an annoying game change and it doesn't even reflect the way generators work. A generator doesn't work like a battery, which has an amount of stored energy that depletes based on how much power you draw from it. Quite the opposite. A generator creates a steady supply of power until the fuel runs out. There wouldn't be different fuel times based on what's hooked up to the generator, because the fuel burns at the same rate and outputs the same amount of power either way.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:17, 5 October 2009 (BST)

This is silly and unnessesary. This would just hinder us. - ginger

I was thinking it would just be a 5% change in search rates for Dim lights. In response, to Giles "generator creates a steady supply of power until the fuel runs out idea, it's totally realistic that I can jump between building while carrying a generator, toolbox and 6 shotguns. or that, when approached by zombies wanting my flesh, that i will constantly be able to aim at the head, and that a Flak jacket even protects their head. Cookies and Cream 03:44, 6 October 2009 (BST)

What do your examples have to do with his? Even I gave a better argument against this suggestion. It isn't a battery that is strained for power in certain building requiring more than in others (NTs) and survivors, logically, would shut down all "non essential" parts of the building to conserve power meaning buildings that would "use more power" WOULDN'T be using it for that reason.--Pesatyel 07:43, 6 October 2009 (BST)

Meh, I can't be bothered to respond to my fail :). Anyway, what did you think of the 5% drop for Dim lights? Cookies and Cream 10:45, 6 October 2009 (BST)

Sorakairi and Pesatyel, you're not understanding a basic concept. You can't conserve generator power by unplugging things. The rate of fuel consumption is constant. This is like explaining the airplane-treadmill debate to someone who doesn't grasp that airflow over a wing provides lift.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 15:36, 6 October 2009 (BST)
I am understanding the argument. I was explaining other possible arguments in order to explain that THAT part of the suggestion is useless.--Pesatyel 02:22, 7 October 2009 (BST)

The lower search odds are just a bad idea in general. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:31, 7 October 2009 (BST)

Dim lights being visible from neighboring blocks (or even just outside) are a fairly significant boost to survivor information. If you're carrying a fuel can, you will be told where there is a need for it without having to go into the building -- boxy talk • teh rulz 10:13 7 October 2009 (BST)

Remember last item dropped

Timestamp: ♥ Moonie Talk Testimonials 22:10, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Type: Interface
Scope: Everyone
Description: When dropping an item you have multiple of instead of the drop menu drop down box defaulting back to ------ nothing on page load it keeps the same item you just dropped in focus (like attacking). e.g. you drop a pistol (0) then upon the next page load where it says you have dropped your pistol pistol(0) is selected in the drop down drop menu. May be a dupe i didn't bother checking.

Discussion (Remember last item dropped)

I... think I followed what you were trying to get at. Seems rather unnecessary. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 22:55, 3 October 2009 (BST)

I'm trying to make sure I have this right. You mean, if you want to drop multiple items of the same type, after dropping the first, the next one of the same type is automatically pre-selected in the drop-down menu when the page loads to show you've dropped the item? If so, it seems nice in theory, but with differently-loaded pistols I can see it being a mess - unless it's accompanied by a function which sorts your guns in the menu from lowest-load to highest-load. We're coming to get you, Barbara 23:02, 3 October 2009 (BST)

There are some edge cases that could use addressing, as Misanthropy pointed out, but on the whole, I really like the idea. If you overstocked on syringes or FAKs (not sure why/how you would, but let's just say) it'd be a pain to remove them individually. This would make it that much easier. As for guns, my suggestion would be to select the one with the least remaining ammo, given the choice of multiple guns to choose from. —Aichon— 01:19, 4 October 2009 (BST)

That is, basically, how it used to be BEFORE Kevan added the null item (the ------). People complained about accidentally dropping something they didn't want to drop. So, yeah, this suggestion isn't going to make it as the point is to improve the game, not return it to a worse state.--Pesatyel 20:05, 4 October 2009 (BST)

This is a dupe, got suggested after Kevan put item codes in. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 07:40, 5 October 2009 (BST)

Flak Jacket Nerf

Timestamp: Kamikazie-Bunny 18:06, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Type: Balance/Flavour
Scope: All Players
Description: Inspired by the suggestion discussion below, anthropometrics, mechwarrior and probability and statistics.
Currently:

Flak Jacket
Grants a 20 percent damage reduction against attacks that deal 5 damage or more.

Proposed Change:

Body Armour
Has a 60% chance to grants a 20 percent damage reduction against attacks that deal 5 damage or more.
If a kill shot occurs (even when the body armour has an effect) the effects of body armour are automatically ignored.

Effects:

No more players wearing body armour on their heads.
You can still cause maximum damage to a player by hitting an extremity/ weak point e.g. arm, leg or head.
Although body armour increases survivability flesh rot is now more appealing to zombies (and more effective).
Body armour covers a range of defences including flak jackets/bullet-proof jackets/plate mail...

Considered increasing the % to 80 but looking for input first.

Discussion (Flak Jacket Nerf)

Oh dear. *runs away from flame war John Ibans 18:16, 3 October 2009 (BST)

I'm going to raise two obvious points here:

  1. Nerfs Flack Jackets
  2. Why?

Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 18:23, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Actually it doesn't nerf anything. It doesn't DO anything.--Pesatyel 18:28, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Yes it does, it basically makes FJs only have a 60% chance to work. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 18:41, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Oops, my bad. CNR. I was looking at his kill shot thing not the fact he reduced it from 80 to 60. I'm just curious what makes him thing ANYONE would go for this.--Pesatyel 18:51, 3 October 2009 (BST)
From 100 to 60.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:55, 3 October 2009 (BST)

You DO realize what your suggesting is pointless, right? Think about it. You said KILL SHOT. Let's say you have 8 HP and a flak jacket. If I hit you with a shotgun, you die and I earn 20 XP. First, the remaining 2 HP "lost" to the flak jacket are irrelevant as you are STILL DEAD and you can't be at "negative HP" as, when you stand up you will be at full. Second, I earn XP on the damage of the weapon, NOT the damage sustained by the target.--Pesatyel 18:28, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Everybody is going to vote kill on this. It completely kills the flak jacket, for no real reason. User:Armpit_Odor/sig - 18:35 3 October 2009 (BST)

Suggestion:20070902 Flak Jacket Change Raises similar issues, and with Flesh Rot becoming more common, the people this most hurts are dual natured players and those trying to avoid PK'ing. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:40, 3 October 2009 (BST)

So, if I'm to understand the "issue" correctly, some flavor text suggests that people wear Flak Jackets on their heads, so we should change the mechanics of Flak Jackets to make Flesh Rot more appealing to zombies? Sounds like a logical fallacy to me. I don't have a problem with making Flesh Rot more appealing, but this isn't the proper way to do it, and no other valid reason is proposed here for nerfing Flak Jackets. —Aichon— 18:47, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Yeah, I'd be opposed to this. It's an unnecessary change that won't make a big enough difference to be worth the hassle, the coding and the added random factor. We're coming to get you, Barbara 18:59, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Ditto what Misanthropy and Aichon said. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 19:13, 3 October 2009 (BST)

I like this, for the simple reason that people seem to think that flak jackets are worthwhile in the first place. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 07:42, 5 October 2009 (BST)

It's actually not a bad idea and it would make flesh rot more interesting. But I'd say the flak jacket would have to work more like 90% of the time. 1 in 10 shots getting through for full damage would be enough of a boost. The percentages could always be changed in the future, assuming this change was implemented, which it wouldn't =( --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:53, 5 October 2009 (BST)

More details

Timestamp: John Ibans 21:39, 1 October 2009 (BST)
Type: Flavour, greater detail
Scope: Available to all
Description: It seems that zombies wandering the town have two attacks, "crush shoulder", and "bite shoulder". While I sure don't mind that, I would like more detail, such as "You flail at USERNAME's chest, causing 3 damage" or "You bite USERNAME's back, causing 4 damage, they become infected". The simple statement is that I would like more zombie attacks (randomly selected) that all do the same amount of damage, but attack different body locations (even striking the head would be cool)

In addition, I think this can also be expanded to survivours, wuch as "you strike a zombine in the chest with your fire axe, causing 3 damage" or "you fire at a zombie's leg, causing 10 damage. Their rotten flesh absorbs 2 damage".

Mechanics: Well, randomness. I don't know exactly what language Urban Dead is written in, but I imagine that broadening the extent of described attacks would take a bit of monotinay away from constant crushing and biting shoulders. This proposal would not change damage or anything else, just the text.

Discussion (More details)

So, basically adding some additional, random flavor text for zombie attacks? I like the idea. Seems simple to implement and adds a bit of variety to an assault on a survivor. —Aichon— 22:13, 1 October 2009 (BST)

Why does putting a pistol round in a zombie's face do the same damage and level of injury as shooting his foot? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:35, 1 October 2009 (BST)

Why does every firearm ever fired automatically hit a flak jacket? Urban dead is a game of such questions. I enjoy the flavour, as long as its zombie only. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:46, 1 October 2009 (BST)
Classist. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:54, 1 October 2009 (BST)
Entirely. Surely all you survivors are aiming at the head anyway? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:43, 2 October 2009 (BST)
You shoot Bob the Zombie for 5 damage. Their flak jacket absorbs 1 point of that damage. They take a Headshot and die.
Obviously, flak jackets cover every part of your body. ?:I --Bob Boberton TF / DW Littlemudkipsig.gif 19:30, 2 October 2009 (BST)
Somewhere on the wiki theres a long page about how zombies wrap flak jackets around their heads. Anyone? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:33, 2 October 2009 (BST)

I see only one issue, and it's kind of minor. If this is giving random body parts, it'll be using the same mechanic as the hit rate %. If you know about Groove Theory, that might be a problem. If people see that Head hits are more successful that leg hits, then they may find out what the current interval is. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:06, 2 October 2009 (BST)

The other issue I see is that while some of us like the added flavour, how many people pay that much attention to the damage messages beyond confirming whether or not you actually hit your target? Don't get me wrong--I'd vote Keep if this goes to voting--but I feel that it would be wasted programming for all the appreciation it would get from the average UD user. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 07:19, 2 October 2009 (BST)
You mean that, for instance, if the current interval is 8 seconds with a window of 1 second, there's the possibility that "head" hits would occur during the first .5 seconds of the window and "leg" shots would occur in the second .5 seconds, clueing the player in to where they are landing within the window? Seems kinda unlikely to me, and is certainly a minor edge case, as you said. More likely is that people who try to use Groove Theory would only see the same flavor text over and over again while they're in that groove, which isn't really an issue since using grooves is not supported gameplay practice. —Aichon— 08:25, 2 October 2009 (BST)
According to kevin, it's patched anyway. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 18:28, 2 October 2009 (BST)
Kevan just changed the system by which it works. He didn't completely erase the potential for abuse. if you read to the bottom of the talk, there's conjecture about a new groove.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:11, 2 October 2009 (BST)
Yeah, it's not fixed at all. In truth, I can confirm that it's working and is fairly simple to abuse. Since I became aware of the concept last week, I've already figured out the interval for FAK searches and for zombies using Claw (e.g. I went about 19/20 and 22/24 in successfully finding FAKs in my last two restocking runs), and am hoping I can come up with some reproducible results that I could pass along to Bug Reports or Kevan at some point soon. I'd love to see the RNG fixed, to be frank, since I know that there are others who have doubtless researched this at length and are capable of abusing it to the extreme. In the meantime though, and speaking from a small bit of experience, I don't think that the flavor messages would have much impact on people abusing Groove Theory, though I could very well be wrong. —Aichon— 23:28, 2 October 2009 (BST)
Last time I checked it the groove was well and truly obvious and working. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 07:43, 5 October 2009 (BST)

Well, the simple thing would be to just NOT include "head" in the random target flavor text. "Head" already has a special mechanic (headshot) which would supercede this flavor text (unless the headshot mechanic changes). The main problem with the idea is that it isn't JUST "flavor text". If I attack you and hit your hand, it could (and probably would) be argued that it should have some "effect" beyond just doing standard damage.--Pesatyel 01:59, 3 October 2009 (BST)

And along the same lines, "foot" and "hand" just wouldn't be included in the random text. John Ibans 15:01, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Your missing the point then. "Hand" was just an example. If I injure you ANYWHERE on the arm or leg it would have essentially the same effect. People would argue that a leg wound would slow you down. WHERE on the leg wouldn't matter.--Pesatyel 18:16, 3 October 2009 (BST)
I think a better system would be to ignore body parts. You gouge... or You tear, Claw, Swipe, rend, scratch grab. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:36, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Agreed. It just looked like the discussion was headed in the direction of specific locations.--Pesatyel 05:34, 5 October 2009 (BST)


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