Developing Suggestions

Developing Suggestions

This section is for presenting and reviewing suggestions which have not yet been submitted and are still being worked on.

Nothing on this page will be archived.

Further Discussion

• Discussion concerning this page takes place here.
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Please Read Before Posting

• Be sure to check The Frequently Suggested List and the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots before you post your idea. You can read about many ideas that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a dupe: a duplicate of an existing suggestion. These include Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles.
• Users should be aware that page is discussion oriented. Other users are free to express their own point of view and are not required to be neutral.
• If you decide not to take your suggestion to voting, please remove it from this page to avoid clutter.
• It is recommended that users spend some time familiarizing themselves with this page before posting their own suggestions.
• After new game updates, users are requested to allow time for the game and community to adjust to these changes before suggesting alterations.

How To Make a Suggestion

Adding a New Suggestion

• Copy the code in the box below.
• Click here to begin editing. This is the same as clicking the [edit] link to the right of the Suggestions header.

• Paste the copied text above the other suggestions, right under the heading.
• Substitute the text in RED CAPITALS with the details of your suggestion.

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• Name - Give the suggestion a short but descriptive name.
• Type is the nature of the suggestion, such as a new class, skill change, balance change, etc. Basically: What is it? and Is it new, or a change?
• Scope is who or what the suggestion affects. Typically survivors or zombies (or both), but occasionally Malton, the game interface or something else.
• Description should be a full explanation of your suggestion. Include information like flavor text, search odds, hit percentages, etc, as appropriate. Unless you are as yet unsure of the exact details behind the suggestion, try not to leave out anything important. Check your spelling and grammar.

Cycling Suggestions

• Suggestions with no new discussion in the past two days should be given a warning notice. This can be done by adding {{SDW|date}} at the top of the discussion section, where date is the day the suggestion will be removed.
• Suggestions with no new discussion in the past week may be removed.
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Suggestions

Give Parks An Inside

Timestamp: A Big F'ing Dog 21:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Type: Location change

Scope: Parks

Description: Right now parks are just another outdoor square, no different than wasteland or streets. However most city parks are usually separated from the street by a fence and do have a inside and outside, just like a junkyard. The difference is that as public property a park wouldn't have high fences, and it wouldn't have much to barricade with if anything. What I suggest is giving parks an inside/outside with no door just like a junkyard, but not allowing any barricading either. Parks would also not be a valid targets to free run into or out of - clicking on a park from indoors would drop you outside. This would give parks a purpose as a hiding place for both survivors and zombies. Can't find an unbarricaded building? Maybe you won't be spotted hiding in the trees of a nearby park. Secretly amassing a horde to attack a nearby building? Avoid detection by hiding in a park instead of right out on the street.

Discussion (Give Parks An Inside)

Parks can currently be used as RPs. This prevents that.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

This idea's also come up before; one incarnation had the plants growing to obscure sight and they could be trimmed down. I seem to recall an argument along the lines of "survivors shouldn't get yet another hiding place, and zombies shouldn't ever need or even want to hide." --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I want this to be implemented, JUST so that hordes of thousands of zombies could lie in wait in parks for survivors to come in with low AP, looking for a place to hide. :D --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

That would be funny... though really, when you want to "hide" a horde, you might as well just have it a suburb away or scattered around in smaller groups and then co-ordinate a massed attack. Also, they can "hide" as dead bodies. :P --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I know, I've always wanted to see a group of a couple hundred zombies slowly filter in to a place and wait as bodies. One minute, it's a normal green suburb; the next, every block has thirty zombies! >XD --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

... say, wanna start a new group called "Shock and Graagh!"? :Ð --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

To answer your point Yonnua, this shouldn't prevent parks from being used as revive points. Nothing would prevent zombies from standing outside the park to wait for a revive. If you want scientists to see you, just don't go inside. --A Big F'ing Dog 22:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

So basically you want to swap park squares for woodland --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh you other city rascal! But yes, that's what they want, except they want it to be enterable. -- Rahrah needs new ideas for his sig. 22:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Why? There really isn't much in "parks" to enter. Bathrooms? This could be easily implemented using Rosslessness's link.--Pesatyel 03:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

If nothing else, it would provide some RP flavor so . . . seems like a good idea to me. Douglas Summers 23:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Malton doesnt have large multi-square park areas though. That said I do like the idea even if it isnt a new one. --YoEleven 00:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

That's my point. Othe then bathrooms, how many parks have "buildings" on the grounds people can even enter?--Pesatyel 07:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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Zombies can bash down doors

Timestamp: Enigma179 09:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Type: Gameplay change

Scope: Zombies

Description: My last suggestion was shot down quickly, and that was probably my fault, but hear me out. I've heard that being a low level zombie isn't extremely fun; You don't get to attack survivors except for the lucky finds in the street, unless you go through the trouble of travelling with a horde you can't get into safehouses, and even if you find a loosely barricaded place with the lights on inside, you bash down the barricade and can't get in, because of one thing. The door. I propose that zombies without Memories of Life can bash down doors as if they were another barricade level, as I can assume the survivors lock the doors. Those with memories of life of course, can waltz right in without going through the trouble of taking down another barricade level. This would allow lower level zombies to get xp in the standard way without Zking and Memories of Life still saves you some AP.

Discussion (Zombies can bash down doors)

Something like this was proposed very recently by Zombie Lord, I believe, and I seem to recall that this aspect of his suggestion was well-regarded. I think it'd be a good idea. Zombies without a horde are weaker than survivors without a group, and this helps the newbies specifically without overpowering them. Sounds good all around. The only concern I'd have would be for lowbie survivors without Construction, but unbarricaded buildings that have their doors closed but are also unruined are uncommon as it is, and sleeping in ruined buildings has always been dangerous. It'd change very little for lowbie survivors. —Aichon— 10:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I like it. When I Z, I'd like to know that if I wanted to, I could rip off the doors and feed on the meat. My one problem is that, where do the smashed doors go when your recade? Cookies and Cream 15:20, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Assuming they haven't been ripped to shreds, you could just repair them using a toolbox. Chief Seagull (talk) 15:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

When playing a Z you're supposed to travel in a group - of any level low or high. The whole balance of this game is based on low numbers of Survivors and Zombies the Survivors have the advantage; High numbers of each the Zombies have the advantage. All of our favorite zombie movies would have been pretty dull if there was only one zombie knocking on the door... Yawn of the Dead --YoEleven 00:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Closed doors are really important in sieges, and this harms newbie survivors as much as it helps lone zombies. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

s mentioned above these would need to be repairable otherwise NO building would have doors pretty quick. How would pipes factor in?--Pesatyel 05:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I honest thought this has been proposed like, 50 times. But I'm not going back to check :P. Either way, that's basically the way I'd imagine it should work, so no objections here. Locked doors will still act as an insta-barricade (as per pipes) for survivors without construction, but won't be completely invincible to new zombies. The argument is that low level survivors have any number of things they can do to get XP, several of which (ie healing) don't require any skills to do, and only requires one to do effectively for XP gain. Whereas zombies only have one source of XP and need to max out at least one combat tree in addition to MoL to max efficiency for their XP gain. RinKou 06:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I was thinking that (I didn't put much detail in the OP anyway) when a door is bashed open, you can close it at the cost of one AP, no skills required. This means that there won't be a whole crapload of buildings out there with no doors, and people won't have to start door-repair plans to keep a suburb somewhat safe. And to YoEleven, when I started Urban Dead I had no idea about this wiki, revive points, hordes or anything, I thought that the closest thing to organization was feeding groan. If I ever did get to a horde bashing down a barricade, I wouldn't be able to get more then one or two punches out of the survivors before they were all devoured. And it makes perfect sense from a flavour point of view, zombies would try to break a locked door just as much as one with a couch behind it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enigma179 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

The closed door thing is just ridiculous. So lets do this. I would propose that the door be it's own level of barricade, so it would require 3 successful hits to gain entry. The door would be instantly closed again whenever a survivor added barricades, exactly how it works now. The door would essentially be 1 last level of barricades to protect survivors, that zombies with memories of life could simply bypass by opening the door. The door never breaks or needs repair, it is either closed or opened, and it can be opened by MoL, or by "forcing" the door open with 3 successful hits. The hit rate would be the same as to barricades.

How about this for flavor text?

• You smash at the door (this is a miss)
• You smash at the door, it creaks. (this is an unsuccessful hit)
• You smash at the door, weakening it. (this is a successful hit)
• You smash at the door, forcing it open. (this happens after 3 successful hits)--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 20:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I like the three-hit idea. That'd handle my concerns about lowbies by making this more reasonable, while still giving solo, lowbie ferals a chance to get into buildings. —Aichon— 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I think that a problem with the three-hit idea is that survivors could potentially use doors as a somewhat effective barricade. 3 successful hits, plus perhaps one more if the survivor inside happened to have a pipe... that means that the zombie has to work through 4 levels of barricades, the equivalent of a lightly +2 barricade. It may seem low, but to a newbie zombie, even if it does have vigour mortis, it won't be able to get that barricade down in one sitting (I'm pretty sure). Survivors shouldn't rely on closed doors and pipes to defend themselves against zombies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enigma179 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Well, keep in mind it's an improvement over the current situation, where newbie zombies can't enter at all. I also don't know of any survivors who rely on pipes frequently. I've seen that cited quite a bit, but I've yet to hear of anyone actually putting it into practice on a regular basis. And this change wouldn't have any impact at all on veteran zombies, so all-in-all, it seems like an improvement. The number of hits necessary can always be reduced later as well. —Aichon— 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I say cut it down to one level of barricade, but have each zombie forcing it open have to open it separately. The flavour text for successfully opening it could read:

• You smash at the door, forcing it open. It swings closed heavily behind you.

This would cause it to be less of a nuisance for low-level zombies, while still maintaining a level of protection against them - each zombie would be its own separate threat, until one with memories opens it properly for them. 20:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

As mis. One level, normal memories of life means you can just open it, otherwise to open it is half hand attack percentage. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Same. I like it this way. Cookies and Cream 09:18, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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Building Population Cap

Removed for further thought. Those still wishing to discuss it can find discussion here. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 21:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

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Adding PUMP Shotguns Read Before Killing

Timestamp: --Supercohboy 05:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Type: Add New Weapon, Balancing with others

Scope: Survivors and zombies, inventory(?)

Description: The concept is adding a pump shotgun that does less damage than the double barrel, but has six (or five realistically) shells instead of two that you can load. Im thinking in the range of 7-8 damage, with the same default possibility to hit(%5)or a little more (%6-7), which would be added on to with training(firarms training, shotgun prof). This would also mean changing the text of Shotgun to Double Barrel Shotgun, which may prove a pain to change, but I thought it would be worth it. Now as you see this is different from other weapon suggestions, I'm not suggesting a military-grade shotgun I mean like ones you see in *a certain game where you are left to die* where it's pump action but doesn't look military grade. If I'm wrong about that than they could just be civilian pump shotguns, like hunting ones. Tell me what you think, and I'm sure it needs tweaking somewhere;) UPDATE: Changed the way the accuracy part of the reading looks for easier reading, and look at that, my shotty here ends up being a combo of 2 that were scrapped. Does that decrease my odds then? lol...I may also tweak the damage-to shell ratio in this version or a future version if I try this again. Discussion (Adding PUMP Shotguns Read Before Killing) WARNING This suggestion has no active discussion. It will be removed on: Jan 20 at 16:29 (UTC) Okay, I fixed your formatting so there was a barrier between suggestions. One sec and I'll pull out a set of dupes. Okay done. Dupe 1 Combat shotgun, and it seems to be combined with this one. -Devorac 06:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Alright, so you want a weapon which deals 8 damage, has a 70% hit rate, and has six shells. Well then, looks like the pistol, shotgun, fire axe, and all other weapons ever conceieved are now useless.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Adding new firearms only makes all the other firearms weaker, by diluting the search odds and making stockpiling more difficult. That's before you get to this weapon being a super-pistol which renders the pistol almost obsolete. 15:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC) *Sigh*You guys don't understand what I was saying. Its just a shotgun with a little less damage, SAME ODDS TO HIT as the other (maybe a little better by a few percent), but can carry more shells. That's it. Sorry if It was hard to understand that way. Thanks for fixing the formatting Devorac. Looking at the dupes after I write this. Thanks you for the output, but you guys misunderstood what I was saying. I'm editing it to be more clear now. Is this where I should put down replies to suggestions? --Supercohboy 18:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC) I understood perfectly. It's just a really bad suggestion.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Oh, I understand it. It's a new weapon, and as it deals different damage it needs unique ammunition. As such, it dilutes search odds by introducing two new items to the possibilities - finding a gun and the relevent ammo for said gun is now harder, as there are three guns and three types of ammunition. It's already frustrating enough finding clip after clip when you need shells, bringing in a third (sixth) possibility makes things worse. 19:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC) User:Grim_s/Sandbox/GunSuggestVote --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC) That makes sense. Wow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sorakairi (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. Alright then. Since this suggestion has been kicked in the faced and KOed....do I delete it or does it get archived by a moderator or something? I will clean up my own mess of course but what do I do with it throw it in the trash or put it on a shelf?--Supercohboy 20:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Just delete it from the page if you want. Either that, or leave it to be discussed more, and it'll get wiped after a while.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC) How about making it use 2 AP to fire (one to "fire" one to "pump")?--Pesatyel 04:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC) How about, if this gets implemented, we increase the odds of finding a clip. Because We can never have enough clips. Cookies and Cream 01:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC) What is your point?--Pesatyel 05:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC) The only ways it going to be in the game if 1. ammo is scarce 2. Its inaccurate but deals a bit of damage if it hits or 3. is accuret (not to accurate Maximum of 66%) but deals a small amount of damage -- Boomer Australia 16:29 13 january 2010 (EST) Suggestions up for voting New Candy Each Year Discussion moved to Suggestion talk:20100108 New Candy Each Year.-- | T | BALLS! | 09:26 9 January 2010(UTC) Killing Blow Flavour Text Discussion moved to Suggestion talk:20100107 Killing Blow Flavour Text.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)