Talk:West Grayside

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=Non-NPOV News from September 2008

September 2^nd

After having wrecked the surrounding suburbs the Militant Order of Barhah has begun to move into West Grayside. Five zombies have broken into Dampney Grove Police Department with more just across the border in East Grayside. --RichterFury 16:19, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Dampney is the hot zone right now, 10 zombies sitting inside. Rather than wasting our AP trying to kill them all, I suggest we give them the PD and focus our energy in watching the barricades to other important buildings, like Topleaf, Holly Crescent, and most importantly, Pole Mall. If we spend our energy killing every zed, what's gonna happen is they'll break in anyways, full force. --Apocalyptic doom 20:17, 2 September 2008 (GMT)

You're my friend and all, Doom... but that's tactical, sorry... --WanYao 03:53, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Moved News articles from March 2008

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March 27

At least one RRF member has been spotted at Bunstone Alley RP. It is likely that death cultist operations are beginning.--Scott Timewell 04:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC) (moved by WanYao 17:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC))

Revive Point Safety?

It seems like this place isn't the only place with issues of idiots killing zeds at RP, but I wandered over from Wray Heights, seeing as this place would be easier to get a revive compared to a 'hot zone'. I was waiting at the Bunstone Alley [56-83] RP, and as usually it seems like I always need to be killed at least once by people before I get revived. This time it was Losec. Screen shot here.

Woops, I seem to forget to sign these things. Well same poster, and It seems like this is a very active RP point. See screen shots for details. SS1 SS2 .Links to Zygmore and Blooddrop Marauder if anyone was interested. I got a revive soon after, Thanks DoctorMengele Steelgaze 15:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Active Groups List

I'm going to be updating it over the next few days as to make it more accurate.--Mayor Fitting^{Talk RR} 13:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mayor - malhalla still exists, but is not necessarily associated with W. grayside. I leave it to you to decide if you wish to remove it or not.--Maghat 03:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

big bash human strategy

what a good way to start thanksgiving (American)with 67 zombies outside of the pole mall and 100 more or so around the suburb. the zombies are like the whites coming in and making false treaties while the humans are like the natives barely holding on to life. happy isn't--zink 13:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)Zinker^{T!Z!A!R! F !} zinker ^M! Brainzz

Pfft, its the Christmas holiday season, and christmas is notorious for one thing: family arguments. Ergo, from now on, just think of the Big Bash as your creepy Uncle Tommy who tends to drink too much, talks to himself, and keeps getting found outside upside down over your neighbour's prize rosebush. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 14:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you have a pretty tame family, Kia !! ;) --WanYao 12:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about my family. I don't even -have- any uncles. I was just giving a typical Brit-type christmas holiday season involves arguments, drunknessness, and quite predictably, prize flowers of some sort or another :) --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 12:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

it is the same everywhere... ;) that is why i am voting Grimch for 'Crat! --WanYao 12:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You've voting who for what? --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 13:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Halloween chit-chat (moved from News)

What a great way to start off to November. A large number of people were murdered today inside Pole Mall, including myself by a couple of lowlifes. West Grayside is under a serious threat by PKers and with the possibility of The Second Big Bash approaching. The odds of suburb survival are looking low. --Jorne 21:42, 1 November 2007 EST

No offense... but were the odds of suburb survival ever any better than the odds that BB2 would change direction and go elsewhere? --Vandr 05:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The mass murders in Pole Mall appear to have been perpetrated by a large and highly-organised group of killers, many identifying themselves with popular Latin American tradition of Día de los Muertos. It is also notable that Halloween, as it is called in North America, is in fact based on the ancient festival of Samhain, in which livestock were ritually slaughtered to cull the weak from the herd. --WanYao 05:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Halloween is short/slang for "All Hallows Eve", being the day before all saints day which was kinda the opposite of Halloween. --AlexanderRM 20:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Well none of this is news... but... The Catholic church based all its major holy days and celebrations to coincide with and to counter established pagan celebrations. All Saints Days (01 Nov) is their answer to Samhain, and modern Halloween traditions can be traced back to that pagan holiday. --WanYao 21:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Necrotech Mobile Halloween Party

On Halloween, Necrotech Mobile will have a big, scary party at Clapton Stadium. We would like to see you guys there, and have some fun together. So hopefully we see you guys there! Bring booze! -- Necrotech Mobile 18:53, 25 October 2007 (GMT+2)

We'll be there, publicity commitments notwithstanding. --Radio Survivor Street Team 23:39, 25 October 2007 (BST)

New page proposal - barricades discussion

What do people think of this idea: we create a new sub-page called West Grayside Barricade Plan and either move the current plan there (à la Dulston) or duplicate it (à la Buttonville). The barricades discussion that is currently scattered haphazardly throughout this page could then be moved there. Such a step would consolidate the following items from this page:

2) Message to West Grayside;

2.1) A not anonymous response [IC];

8) Septemer 4th, 2007;

14) KEEP VIGILANT! But don't panic...;

20) Barricade Plan Proposal;

20.1) Barricade Plan Discussion.

Should we call for votes FOR and AGAINST? How are things done here? --Dan Everyman 19:24, 21 October 2007 (BST)

I'm up for voting for that. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 19:42, 21 October 2007 (BST)

Moi aussi... And, actually in this case, Dan, you could probably make a page like that without "permission", I think... But it's good ettiquette to ask first, otherwise some people might get a little ticked. Some people on the wiki are pretty, uh, sensitive. :)But it's normal nowadays for barricade plans to have their own page, anyway... BTW, I like the layout of the Buttonville barricade plan, I'd vote for emulating it. But do you wish to be creating a new plan, or just trying to clean up both this page and the map/diagram? --WanYao 20:03, 21 October 2007 (BST)

As long as Demon territory stays the way we like to keep it (ie, you ask before skipping off and changing things), then if someone wants to emulate another plan, I'm happy to talk through our requirements with them while they are doing it. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:06, 21 October 2007 (BST)

I've just created the page to use here. One merely needs to transfer the appropriate contents over. I may get a start on it later on, as long as there are not any big objections. As for changes to the plan itself... Well, we do have a policy... it's generally been well tagged and followed in the past. I'm not really down with any big changes to what we currently have, but debate is always fine, of course. But, for example, making the PD right next to the NTs VSB, for instance, as some person was insisting in-game... no... sheeeeesh... --WanYao 20:13, 21 October 2007 (BST)

Me again... That page would be meant for the policy map itself, and the directly pertinent information surrounding the policy... all the talk ought to go, well, on it talk page. And btw thanks Dan Everyman for input etc! --WanYao 20:18, 21 October 2007 (BST)

I've done some housekeeping here and there. Hope no one minds me shifting nearly the whole lot over there? If people feel that we don't need a link anymore on this page (I'd suggest not archiving it when it gets that old), then feel free to edit those out (...this is mostly aimed at you WanYao!) --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:35, 21 October 2007 (BST)

I followed suit and finished the job! I hvae no problem with what you did -- I did it too, but even more wholesale :) ... Everything pertaining to the Barricade Policy discussion has been placed on the Talk Page of the new page. But if anyone has any objections or suggestions if I did things wrong, please don't hesitate to let me know! Honestly, I also think this is good, because this page was getting very cluttered... We're a chatty lot, no? :) --WanYao 21:01, 21 October 2007 (BST)

Nothing wrong with being chatty! Besides, if you have the Demon's in your suburb, you cannot expect anything less! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 21:25, 21 October 2007 (BST)

I've added a link in the main article that reads: "Discussion: Queries or suggestions about this barricade plan should be posted on the page Talk:West_Grayside_Barricade_Policy" --Dan Everyman 15:34, 25 October 2007 (BST)

Would you mind if I removed the old barricade plan from the main article and included the West Grayside Barricade Policy page as a template instead? No sense in maintaining the same information in two places, one of them is going to get out of date sooner or later. I could also add a link (labeled "discuss the barricade policy", or something like that) which would lead to Talk:West_Grayside_Barricade_Policy. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 11:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Danger Level Discussion

west grayside is being destroyed! amost all of the biuldings are ransacked and if they arent they have zeds inside of them! I just rebuilt barter road and restored it to VSB so people can use it as a safehouse. Hopefully WG will soon be the completely green suburb it once was.--Cort firefighter 06:11, 13 October 2007 (BST)

I agree... we have a bit of a zed problem right now =) But this is what keeps the game interesting, my friend! Personally, I find green suburbs boring. At least this way we have stuff to keep us occupied! =) --WanYao 06:23, 13 October 2007 (BST)

If you don't like it, move to another part of the suburb. I saw a max of ten zombies loitering around near where I am. Ten is not an "OMG we're all going to die" problem. Twenty in each block...then, you may squeal, wail, and carry on like a pansy (and I'll happily join you), but until there are more than ten in a nine-square block, forgive me for not throwing up my hands and screaming like a girl. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 08:41, 13 October 2007 (BST)

Shhhht, play nice! :) Strategically, the Mall and the area near the two TRPs are the most important part of the suburb. The mall seems okay last I checked, and the outskirts are a lot safer, but the importand zone around the TRPs is very dangerous right now. Anyway, many people are working on defending the buildings.... but the Cort firefighter pointed out, we can use more! --WanYao 08:51, 13 October 2007 (BST)

I am fairly near the Mall though! Besides, we have enough problems with Natural Selection, and all their PK-ing to do anything about zombies right now. You want to help keep them lying on the ground (or at least stop people rev-ing them), and I'll get a few of my lot to come help out at the mall! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 23:47, 13 October 2007 (BST)

Wow, yet again we have some random person screaming "Zohmygod, we're all gonna die!". When will it end?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:56, 13 October 2007 (BST)

Simple answer? When they do actually die! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 01:18, 14 October 2007 (BST)

The ironic thing is... didn't we all come here to play a zombie apocalypse game?? Which involves haveing to, ummm, fight zombies... Where's the fun sitting around in a green suburb for weeks on end??? And man I dread the panic if the Big Bash comes to town... --WanYao 05:57, 14 October 2007 (BST)

Give me zombies over PKers! No, seriously, please do. I will swap you LUE for our current 'problem children'! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 06:31, 14 October 2007 (BST)

I just want to mention that typically when LUE attacks, they seem to mainly attack the mall while leaving much of the rest of the suburb quite intact. So, even if the mall is breached, as long as the rest of the suburb is still relatively untouched and the majority of TRPs intact, there is rarely a reason to panic and upgrade the danger levels to Dangerous, and certainly not to Very Dangerous. Just sayin' .... --WanYao 09:37, 4 October 2007 (BST)

One more time: Pole/Clapton/Younghusband are NOT the entire suburb... I'm out of the suburb currently, resupplying, so I can't speak to the situation suburb-wide... But last I was there, only Pole mall had fallen. Everything else -- including NTs, PDs and hospitals -- were mostly a-okay... If that is still the case, West Grayside does NOT warrant a Very Dangerous rating. Please note the definition of Very Dangerous: "Most buildings wide open or zombie-infested; OR hostile zombie mobs of 150+". Please include reports on the other TRPs and their status to avoid confusion. Thanks. --WanYao 22:58, 6 October 2007 (BST)

I can safely say, we are -fine-. We haven't even NOTICED extra zombies except at our revive point. Ergo, very dangerous, my ass! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 23:25, 6 October 2007 (BST)

....Are you sure? Last time I was here, all I saw were Clapton and Pole, and everything else was a giant, unlabeled, grey blob. :).-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:25, 6 October 2007 (BST)

Well... LUE seems to only attack malls and landmarks like Clapton, lately. They didn't touch the NTs last time... So, I'll wait in setting it to dangerous until I get some reports on the NTs, et al... But I have a hunch it's currently Dangerous, not VD. --WanYao 00:27, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Seriously, I'm getting reports about "OMG, teh mall is down, the church is down, the stadium is down, we're all gunna DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE!111!!1!!!1!!oneone!" *rolls her eyes* Noobs, can't live with them, can't put them down them without getting told you're a PKer. The suburb isn't very dangerous, and anyone that tries to claim it is, is a scaredy-wimp, and should promptly fed to the zombies that are gnawing at the walls of the mall. SHEESH! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 01:07, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Jeez, no need to get all pissy about it. :). I say we start attacking random people until they get the point. Any takers? No? Fine. Well, just be happy you aren't in Fort Creedy. I hate that place. Almost as much as I hate Caiger.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:28, 7 October 2007 (BST)

*rubs Angel's shoulders* So much hate and anger there :( --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 02:48, 7 October 2007 (BST)

*Passes out* I can't help it, Kia is great with the massages. ;).-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:53, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Hush, thats a benefit of the Demons that they don't get to know about until we've suckered them in with cookies ;) Err...what was the topic again? --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 02:57, 7 October 2007 (BST)

The danger levels of me spouting out important information? I think I'm at the whipping level now...-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:58, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Uh yes, I quite agree good sir. You are much smarter than I, and I have no other way of raising my Sig Race count accept for randomly posting on pages I won't get in trouble for. +1 -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 02:59, 7 October 2007 (BST)

How true...-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:12, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Hmm, I don't think I'll revert that.-- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 03:22, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Revert what? I didn't do anything. :shiftyeyes:.....:). Good night.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:26, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Every time the Mall falls the burb goes red... No matter what's happening in the rest of the suburb. You wanna see a REAL red suburb, go to Barrville... Anyway, I put it at Dangerous... Which is accurate, IMO. Dunno if it's newbies or just plain old mall ratz... So many mall ratz, never see the light of day, or the stars, or nothin', just flourescent lighting of K-Mart. Poor kids. But Creedy... Yeah Creedy is awful, I hate that place... --WanYao 03:42, 7 October 2007 (BST)

There is too much truth here. Someone lie!-- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 03:45, 7 October 2007 (BST)

To the rescue! I hate everyone. Big enough lie for ya'?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 14:31, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Back on track, even if pole mall, Clapton stadium, and younghusband were the entire suburb, I'm pretty sure YA wasn't ruined today or on my last AP cycle, and today there were 6 zombies in the entire stadium. Can't say for pole though...--AlexanderRM 00:51, 8 October 2007 (BST)

I think the point is that there are still a lot of zombies in the area, and you're as likely to wake up tomorrow dead as not, depending on which buildings the zombies decide to hit. Regardless of how many zombies are in Clapton or Pole Mall right now, if any humans decided to try and retake it, they'd probably be killed within a few hours. Is the rest of the suburb dangerous? I don't know, but 10 blocks isn't that far a walk for a zombie meal.--Insomniac By Choice 02:27, 8 October 2007 (BST)

Of course there are a lot of zombies in the area, no one is disputing that. And no one is trying to make this a green suburb or anything. By the definitions I'd say West Grayside is definately Dangerous -- both technically and practically -- but not Very Dangerous. "Most buildings wide open or zombie-infested; OR hostile zombie mobs of 150+" -- is the definition of a red suburb. We're not quite there... Urban Dead is a cat 'n' mouse game. At any given time a survivor could log on the find himself eaten up, that's the way it is. And zombies try to break into as many buildings as possible, not just to eat bra!nz, but strategically to lessen the number of places survivors have to hide -- making the job of finding those left easier. But the more buildings that are barricaded, the greater the odds are that an intelligent survivor will make it through the night... Last I looked, survivors still have a lot of places to hide in West Grayside... And most of the TRPs are still up and running... So what exactly are we arguing about?? --WanYao 04:46, 8 October 2007 (BST)

WanYao, the danger report levels are guidelines, not rules. It's all about how the suburb is for the majority of the people in it, and considering that most of the time 2/3 too 9/10 of a suburbs population is in the mall if there is one in the suburb. . .--Karek^maps?! 09:36, 8 October 2007 (BST)

Sep. 18th News Talk

We aren't doomed or being doomed, but there are 38 zeds at the revive point. Does this mean it's a horde or just a bunch of survivors wanting to be revivificated? Mark Colbert

Which revive point? Last time I checked Bunstone Alley, the WGW's revive point, there were only 8 zombies there! A couple of days ago, but yes, 8... There were over 30 a week ago... And, for the record, zeds were clogging Bunstone Alley, and quite heavily, when the numbers were above a dozen.

And, yes, West Grayside is under heavy assault. Is it safe here? Hell no. A lot of safehouses are being broken into and a lot people are getting eaten. And in the last couple of days, as the saying goes, "The RRF have entered the building..." However, it's not like every building is open and ruined and there are no safehouses or TRPs available, nowhere whatsoever to hide -- I don't think that's the case. I've been in suburbs like that: currently West Grayside is not like that... --WanYao 17:45, 19 September 2007 (BST)

This one: *Cemetery [52,83]. 38, and someone has started an overflow RP 1 E of that. As for doomed, you can be hungry or be doomed, but you can't be hungried as a present tense verb, nor can you say "we are being doomed". Perhaps I shouldn't be such a dork about this. Anyway, the suburb is undre threat, yes. Mark Colbert

Ok... not trying to make drama or anything... The West Grayside Watch maintains the Bunstone Alley RP. As far I am aware (I could be wrong) that cemetery is run by the Grayside Demons; WGW do not actively work it. We have been working our RP, though, as best we able in these trying times... and while it might be backed up now, when I was last there we were getting through the que... --WanYao 22:35, 19 September 2007 (BST)

Oh... and "doom" is a transitive verb; "hunger" in your example is intransitive. Therefore, one can doom someone or something. Technically, I think "We are being doomed by the blah blah blah" isn't incorrect. But it is bloody ugly. Aaah, grammar pedantry among so-called "news reporters"? Who'd ever have thunk it? ;P --WanYao 22:47, 19 September 2007 (BST)

Yep, 52,83 is our RP. We've been a bit shorthanded lately, and seeing as how most of the dead from the mall head to our RP, it's quite obvious that things will be a bit backed up. We ask people that want a quick revive to post on our forums, it's easier on us if they do, that way we save AP scanning and finding suitable targets.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:28, 20 September 2007 (BST)

The rotters weren't helping. But yes, that'd be our RP, and we're doing our best krath-dammit! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 01:36, 20 September 2007 (BST)

After I stuck a few people, there are only 18 at the revive point as of a few minutes ago. We'll get through it... --WanYao 22:04, 20 September 2007 (BST)

Hooray for the citizens of West Grayside! Party at Wan's house! :).-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:13, 21 September 2007 (BST)

If people stopped frigging pk-ing Demons for no apparent reason other than repetative sadistic thrills, this'd go a whole lot faster! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 01:57, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Well, maybe if you stopped making yourself look so attractive, they'd leave! :D.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:10, 21 September 2007 (BST)

I'd understand if it was just me! But its the little demon minions too! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 02:59, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Ummmm......Your attractiveness is contagious?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:02, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Hmm, I doubt that. But nakedness is! Hold on...we are not getting a talk page that doesn't even belong to us off into a random Demon ramble. Stop encouraging me right now! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 03:08, 21 September 2007 (BST)

I'm not trying to encourage you specifically, more like the entire wiki. I bid you look at what we've done here, and all that was on other random pages, like the clothes page. Now, I have one question. If nakedness is really contagious, who started it?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:16, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Hippies. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 03:33, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Than one more question. You wouldn't happen to be a hippie would ya'? :P. Good night.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:35, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Pfft, do I -look- like a hippie? Ni ni! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 04:01, 21 September 2007 (BST)

No...But...-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 11:08, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Revive Point

Grayside Demons revive point at 52,83 Cemetery is closing briefly due to the current risks. If you are desperate, please use another revive point, or talk to us on our forums, and we'll try to work something out for you. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 06:50, 15 September 2007 (BST)

We appear to be back in business. There are huge queues, but its being worked on! Please be patient! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 09:16, 18 September 2007 (BST)

Updated Active Groups Section

I changed it after leaving messages and not receiving any word back from the groups I contacted. I also updated the zombie and pker groups to reflect West Grayside's status. --Mayor Fitting^{Talk RR} 02:20, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Forgot this PK group "natural selection", we've just had a few members go down to one of theirs. Yep, in a time like this, people are whacking the reviver/surviver groups...fekking morons. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 02:38, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Alright, now something must be done...

If these nightly, coordinated assaults on Pole escalate, it will fall, mostly due to the idiocy of those wherein, and both Graysides will be under threat from a large number of zeds, not to mention the ferrals. I think it's time someone said it- All the major groups in West and East Grayside should join together in a tactical alliance to coordinate defense and generaly beat back the hungering hordes. Keep your grudges, or grudgingly keep your lives and your suburb. Italus 00:20, 3 September 2007 (BST)

Ah no need to panic. Malls fall... c'est la vie... And I didn't know that were any grudges!?! I tend not to pay attention to these things, unless they're personal... y'know? --WanYao 00:32, 3 September 2007 (BST)

I'll keep my grudges, thank you. We haven't been targeted by the zombies as yet. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 01:34, 3 September 2007 (BST)

I don't like grudges. They cause wrinkles and make life both shorter and less enjoyable... --WanYao 01:50, 3 September 2007 (BST)

But grudges are what make the game fun! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 02:10, 3 September 2007 (BST)

Silly editing on the main page

... making people's lives difficult - Say No!
Why are we taking out the ==='s of the individual dates? I use them a lot because its quicker than editing the whole damn page! I vote you put them right back where they were *stamps a foot*. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 19:19, 1 September 2007 (BST)

huh??--WanYao 20:16, 1 September 2007 (BST)

ok, i get. and i agree with kiablade. let's leave the individual dates in the news, please... and archive where necessary. and, let's try to keep the "discussion" of the news to a bare minimum and put it on the talk pages... some is fine, but there seems to be a bit too much of it right now and it's getting very NPOV. i'm not an NPOV fascist, not at all, but i like to see the news section fairly clean. (not directed at anyone specific, that, it's a general observation....) --WanYao 20:19, 1 September 2007 (BST)

I'll openly admit that I do not do NPOV (hence why I rarely post there, other than to kick up something), but lets keep this on topic. Say NO to silly editting, say YES to individual dates! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:49, 1 September 2007 (BST)

It makes the table of contents insanely long unless you do regular archiving. How hard is it to simply edit the month, and put your new entries at the top. There's no need to edit "the whole damn page" -- boxy • talk • 11:58 8 October 2007 (BST)

Active Groups in West Grayside

Anyone else think we should try to figure out which groups can be removed from the active groups list? There are quite a few that have a wiki which hasn't been edited in quite some time. Also, I don't see many in the suburb.--Mayor Fitting^{Talk RR} 01:34, 31 August 2007 (BST)

I'm down with that... Post to the questionable groups' talk pages, and to any forums they might have... give 'em a week or two to respond, and if they don't, ix-nay them? --WanYao 04:03, 31 August 2007 (BST)

Good plan there. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 19:19, 1 September 2007 (BST)

News & Status of Pole Mall discussion

Everyone seemed all right in the GD's HQ last time I checked. Does this mean we need to reclaim the Mall? --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 22:56, 11 August 2007 (BST)

[redacted] Please keep the news NPOV and sign your posts in the future. Thanks. --WanYao 00:34, 12 August 2007 (BST)

I can confirm this. However, it would seem that the horde has now moved on, making this place sort of deserted. The mall is still ransacked as far as I know.--Alchemist 00:38, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Thanks... Thanks. I'll edit my post above to reflect this. --WanYao 00:49, 12 August 2007 (BST)

What the hell..... the Mall is absolutely fine, I'm in it RIGHT NOW.... Italus 03:25, 12 August 2007 (BST)

It seems someone has been playing jokes on the wiki. --Mayor Fitting^{Talk RR} 05:56, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Everybody, be alert! The mall is still ransacked with many zoccupants inside. Any posts to the contrary are likely lies meant to draw you into a death trap!--Alchemist 19:25, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Oh for heavens sake, do I have to actually get up and walk all the way over there in order to verify which of you lot are lying and which are telling the truth. Don't make me have to do that...you don't want me to have to do that! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 19:47, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Until someone can provide screenshots or something, the mall's status is in dispute, I guess. And I have no interest in presenting the situation as safer than it is... I'm on the human side in this suburb. --WanYao 21:13, 12 August 2007 (BST)

anyway, i hope no one took offense to me moving this here... it was just getting out of hand... and as you can see from my Iwitness reports, Pole Mall is currently in suvivor hands. still is at the time of this post, as well. i have my opinions about death doggy and his very IMO very suspicious posts, but i have no interest in dragging this out... cheers, all. --WanYao 01:07, 13 August 2007 (BST)

So we've resolved it. Mall's safe, 'burb's safe, reports of a major attack are (so far) so much crap. Don't agree? Come find me and tell me so- I'm in the Mall right now, along with numerous other survivors. Italus 05:47, 13 August 2007 (BST)

Yeah, it's pretty much established. I believe LUE hit 'n' run a mall a little west of us a few days ago (can't remember where exactly), but the area is actually suprisingly... uhm... boring? ;P Death Doggy is, whether the mod-of-the-hour agrees or not a vandal -- he posted crap news items whose dates didn't even match the dates of his edits, and also changed the danger levels in several suburbs all to Very Dangerous. Whatever... it's probably past his bedtime now, it's history... --WanYao 06:22, 13 August 2007 (BST)

LUE

There's been a lot of talk about LUE destroying Green burbs, like WG. Any plans for preparation? An alliance would be nice. --Apocalyptic Doom, West Grayside Watch

I'm sure there are plenty of alliances, just not a suburb-wide one. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:28, 11 August 2007 (BST)

Well there ought to be a suburb-wide alliance. It's the only hope we've got if something like the LUE really does decide to stop by for a snack. Italus 05:55, 13 August 2007 (BST)

Actually there are no formal alliances of any sort that I am aware, not with WGW. If anything, there seems to be a history of antagonism amongst the major groups in the Graysides... I dunno... I'm a newb...

But, Kiablade, do I interpret various statements made by you corectly: that West Grayside Demons are not interested in being part of a cooperative alliance to defend the neighborhood as a whole? --WanYao 06:27, 13 August 2007 (BST)

Sorry, didn't see this one. No, the Grayside Demons are fine with alliances, but we will not accept one that contains the West Grayside Watch. Other than that, we'll look at proposals on an individual basis. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 03:26, 17 September 2007 (BST)

Yeah personally, WGW's coolness level is too high to be allied with anyone ('Cept STARS). Seems we only make enemies with PK'ers these days anyways. --Apocalyptic doom 20:24, 28 September 2007 (EST)

Suburb flavor text

I wrote some new stuff for the wiki, but I thought I'd post it here before putting it up. Please feel to comment, edit, append, etc.. Anyway, I thought it could go something like this:

West Greyside is a suburb located in south-central Malton.

West Grayside was Malton's number one entertainment hotspot and cultural hub before the outbreak. The suburb was home to Pole Mall, the innovative Hitoshi Abe-designed Clapton Stadium, as well as numerous fashionable clubs and pubs, and several popular cinemas. Whether it was hipsters or hip hop kids, football fans or Miskatonic student-intellectuals, postcard punks or upscale fashionistas, all kinds could be seen vying for the spotlight in the suburb's sidewalk cafes, pubs, clubs and trendy boutiques.

Darker times have fallen upon the neighborhood since the outbreak, however, and life has simplified somewhat -- with the major fashion statements competing against each other now being trenchcoats, tensor bandages and cranial decomposition.

--WanYao 15:23, 3 August 2007 (BST)

Hey dude you spelled Grayside GrEyside in your first sentence. I don't know if it's like that in your actually edit but you know, Greyside may not look like much, but it's actually a HUGE spelling error :) . --Apocalyptic Doom

Neighbourhood, I believe, but apart from that, seems fine to me, --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 15:32, 3 August 2007 (BST)

I'm adding some links to the text, some informational, some more for laughs... keep ideas coming... let's make WG's wiki the hippest, coolest entry in Malton -- we have a rep to maintain, after all!! =D --WanYao 16:17, 3 August 2007 (BST)

i think it just needs a snappy punch line, or something to tie it all up or summarise. it's currently kind of hanging, like the ending of a david lynch movie, hmnnnnnn... =) perhaps i'll think of something later... --WanYao 16:41, 3 August 2007 (BST)

I always find offering free cookies or ice cream works as a clincher, but that is a typically Demon trait, rather than a West Grayside thing unfortunately! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 16:46, 3 August 2007 (BST)

Wan, what 'rep'? "Yo dawg, we'd better not attack that suburb, their mall is deformed like a Tetrus block!" "Shit, man!" Italus 23:27, 6 August 2007 (BST)

tetris was invented by a russian... you don't invade russia, just ask napoleon and hitler... ergo, you don't attack pole mall. Q.E.D. perfectly logical, no? --WanYao 04:40, 7 August 2007 (BST)

Yes. It makes so much sense, it's just stunning to me. Of course, both Napoleon and Hitler were not only twisted fucks who wanted to rule the world, but they both also got rather handily defeated in the end... better pick a new analogy. ^^' Italus 17:53, 11 August 2007 (BST)

"Of course, both Napoleon and Hitler were not only twisted fucks who wanted to rule the world" Hmm, doesn't seem that different from WGW except for the losing part. And the missing part about being drunk. :) --Apocalyptic doom 4:28, 28 September 2007 (EST)

WGW

Just thinking we might have a problem with both the West Grayside Watch and the West Grayside Wolfpack BOTH chosing to have 'WGW' as their abbreviations. This could cause confusion within the suburb. Are there any suggestions on how to fix this? (Mine would be to change the Wolfpack to WGWP - would this be acceptable?). --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:54, 30 July 2007 (BST)

I dunno, a 4 letter acronym? Doesn't seem right for a non radio station. Since the Wolfpack does occupy areas in East Grayside -

"The West Grayside Wolfpack is a conflagration of weirdos based out of the Dimmock Auto Repair building in West Grayside. The Wolfpack, largely, are NOT furries and will probably verbally abuse those who are (or anyone else, for that matter). The Wolfpack's territory extends into East Grayside." (taken from their wiki page http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/West_Grayside_Wolfpack), would it be possible if they changed their name to Grayside Wolfpack with the abbreviation GWP? --Apocalyptic Doom

If they agree to it, excellent idea! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:24, 11 August 2007 (BST)

That's if they're still an active group. --Apocalyptic doom

Revive Points

I believe that if the revive points have specific requests sites, then they should be listed. It is ridiculous otherwise! The edit I made to the main page meant that the three groups running the sites would a) get more custom, and b) allow people to know who to ask if they need a speedy revive. I would expect other groups (I'm speaking from the point of the Grayside Demons) to also have some form of request tool, even if its a blanket one. I vote to put that back in. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 15:16, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Post it on the group pages and mabey mention it on the RPs location stubs then.--Karek^maps?! 15:19, 19 July 2007 (BST)

On the Demon's page, it is there. But people turning up at the revive point might not know that that RP is run by them (the Demons). Tags unfortunately keep getting removed. Using this method, at least people visiting West Grayside will know which groups are good places to search to look for a speedy revive. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 15:33, 19 July 2007 (BST)

The revive points should be where speedy revives happen already otherwise they probably shouldn't be mentioned. But there is a way around this, you can put the Active tag(I think Yagoton has it on their page) next to the RPs to show how fast or slow the RP actually is. No need for posting the group at all, as there shouldn't be.--Karek^maps?! 15:36, 19 July 2007 (BST)

i'm on my way west grayside so i'm going to chime in on this...

i think there's a pretty simple solution to this, one i've seen in a couple of other burbs i've visited. in the TRP "tables" you list the revive points normally, just names and coordinates. but you have a short section in the wiki text listing the RPs, who (if anyone specific) manages them, and the best way to ask for a revive.

so it's look like a little this... and this is just a rough "template"... and i'm laso not trying to favour any single group, okay, just giving examples.. :)

Revive Points in West Greyside

[X,Y] [Name] Maintained by the Grayside Demons. Contact them [here] to make a request
[X2,Y2] [Name] Maintained by whomever, contact wherever.
[xx,yy][xxx,yyy] cemeteries also commonly serve as revive points.
[X3, Y3] [Name] is also a commonly used Revive Point but is not actively maintained by any single group and speedy turnarounds cannot be guaranteed.

Revive requests can also be made through the [DEM Request Tool]

simple, straightforward, and -- in spite of what certain rabid zambahz like to say about pro-harman bias in the wikis -- it's NPOV. Mentioning an active group in this way in the wiki isn't NPOV: it's called objectively presenting relevant and important facts.

my two bits worth....... --WanYao 07:15, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Re: I/The Demons would agree to such a method being used. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 14:59, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Too bad no one really does manage Rps, they just stake a claim to them. RPs may have people from said group working at them but they will always also have unassociated people and the more used the RP the more people who are reviving. Which means that such a mention isn't Neutral and isn't true.--Karek^maps?! 22:17, 25 July 2007 (BST)

To make things easier for us, we have been looking into staking a larger claim over our rev point during calmer times, purely because if people post wanting a revive, and get revived by an unassociated person, it means that a Demon has to make a journey for no reason, which is a pain. Sure, its quicker revives (of up to one hour only during off peak calm times), but it still leaves us with the huge problems unfortunately! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 00:52, 26 July 2007 (BST)

I say this over and over and over in the wiki.... this is GAME. and this wiki is GAME TOOL. not an academic refernce text.

so, i wish people would quit demanding (or posturing as though they demand) the same standards out of the UD wiki that they would out of the wikipedia or out of a scholarly publication. such demands are not only absurd but totally counter-productive.

regarding the immediate subject at hand: if there is a forum or other process run by a particular group to facilitate revs, then that information NEEDS to be clearly listed on the burb page. anything else is a DISSERVICE to the players playing this game, especially the newbs.

pedantic demands for pseudo-NPOV are irrelevant in this case. again, this is a GAME and a TOOL for PLAYERS. it's not the britannica. and a useful game tool in this case facilitates game play by providing information that helps players get a revive as efficiently as possible. this helps keep UD alive and running and enjoyable for all. conversely, being wiki pedants and trying to pretend that this is the Maltonian equivalent of the 18th century philosophe's encyclopedia project is clearly NOT productive to, or facilitative of, the play and enjoyment of the Urban Dead.

now... from what i have seen i will probably be flamed to hell and back for what i've just said... as the pedants willingly stand up to identify themselves as such... yeah, i've been here about a week, and i know ALL ABOUT that by now... but i don't care, because newbie or not, i know i speak with the voice of reason and critical thought on this issue. i also know that i am not alone in that regard... so let's all have fun... okay?

[steps down from soapbox...] --WanYao 19:54, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Is anyone alive?!

Hello, my name is Cash Whizdom. I've been looking around Malton for a new place to call home since my last one (Pitneybank) went to Hell with street wars between CDF and the CGR. But what completely killed us all was when LUE came through and wiped out Giddings Mall in 6 hours or less. But I was considering making West Grayside my new home, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what goes on around there? (i.e. Zed/PKer count and activity) Or If there are any major groups active in the area? Or if there is a forum or some other place that posts are made because it seems as though not much has been said about this suburb lately. Well thanks and me know soon! And don't forget to visit my user page! --Cash Whizdom 19:10, 12 July 2007 (BST)

Re: The Grayside Demons would always like to have another person around (forums link is in my sig). As for zed count, its fairly low. I saw mebe five the last time I was wandering around outside. Few pk'ers, most aren't exactly a problem though. Other groups are the WGW (West Grayside Watch) and the MDD (Malton Death Dealers). As long as you keep off the MDD's turf, and don't antagonise the WGW, its a pretty safe suburb. Course, we're right next to East Grayside, which contains S.T.A.R.S., so you don't want to be too close to the eastern border! Anyway, happy to help, and don't forget, if you come to W. Grayside, let your little Demon out to play! --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 20:17, 12 July 2007 (BST)

Suburb map placement

I think the Suburb map should be placed BEFORE the current events section, as the length of that section may prevent people from noticing that the suburb map even exists. Tyler Rilm 12:16, 16 March 2007 (PST)

It most assuredly should not be, News section is the whole reason people visit the page and thus should be in the most prominence. Don't like long news sections be sure to archive it monthly and keep your news updates short.--Karek^maps?! 10:49, 19 July 2007 (BST)

I propose we delete the Suburb map as it is redundant with the barricade policy map--Johnie 2x4 17:37, 19 July 2007 (BST)

I dissagree entirely! I can't stand the BP Map, and I never look at it, in fact I propose we change/update it! It's too big and all the colors run together. And a lot of the time it isn't accurate either!--Cash Whizdom 19:16, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Oh I personally dislike the concept all together because it is essentially useless. But some people are obsessed with keeping them(usually the ones that made the damn thing in the first place) so any time they get removed as they should be it results in an edit conflict.--Karek^maps?! 18:43, 24 July 2007 (BST)

If we're going to have any kind of map, it should be a coordinated effort between the groups of West Grayside each deciding what is important within their territory, with un-claimed buildings left to a vote. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 18:59, 24 July 2007 (BST)

Well, first of all there is a bookmarked table of contents for people to quickly skip down to the section they're looking for. Secondly... I find the barricade policy maps hard to read, too. But they are very important and shouldn't be dispensed with. If you want to save space, put it on another page and link to it. And if the policy isn't being followed, then it's putting survivors' lives at risk and groups in the area need to actively enforce it. Nothing is more frustrating than wasting APs, sometimes getting killed, trying to find a safehouse because some arse overbarricaded. At least a plan is, well, a PLAN... and gives one an idea where to look at least for a safehouse.

And, for the record, you want to kill the game, stagnate it by driving off new players? ... Overbarricade all the time, make sure newbs are getting killed left right and centre. Then, make them wait for ages, while wandering all over town trying to find an active RP, while Type A-hole jerks grief them constantly at revive points... Then, the second they get a revive and manage to get a safehouse to recharge AP? PK them!!! That's what it's like being a newb in Urban Dead. Trust me, I know... And I'm not whinging, but I am telling it like it is.

Well, anywaaaaaay........ :P --WanYao 19:25, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Barricade Plan Proposal

Can now be found at the West Grayside Barricade Policy Page.

Barricade Plan Discussion

Has been moved to the talk page of the West Grayside Barricade Policy.

H.Q for my group.

Hey, could I claim an HQ for the OMC in the southern factory? Is that anyone in particulars turf?

Chris' 'Redfield 04:04, 18 May 2007 (BST)

not that I know of feel free to use it--Johnie 2x4 14:20, 14 June 2007 (BST)

You can claim whatever you want, just be prepared to back it up if someone else tries to claim it too. Take action and don't look back, always the best way to do things, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.--Karek^maps?! 10:49, 19 July 2007 (BST)

"turf"? turf??? am i to understand that other survivors aren't allowed to use that factory as a resting place, or to search for items they need? --WanYao 04:59, 5 August 2007 (BST)

Depends on the group. Some guard their territroy viciously, while others welcome visitors. Normally turf is the area maintained by a group, where they can put their tags, decide which buildings are barricaded and which are entrances, etc. Speaking from the perspective of the Demons, we allow external survivors within our turf willingly, for our HQ, we only allow survivors that no not belong to rival groups, nor anyone that causes insult or damage (to other survivors, Demons, radio, generator, barricades, etc!). Basically, you'd have to check with the group, whether they are heavily violent, or relatively peaceful should give an indication of whether they are under open territory or closed territory laws. --Kiablade ^{the Demons| GD Forums} 14:00, 5 August 2007 (BST)

MOB alert

‎	MOB Alert
	The Militant Order of Barhah have ransacked a nearby suburb-Kinch Heights. Locals should be advised that the MOB may attack their suburb at any time-and should take precautions. New players may wish to evacuate the suburb. This alert was posted on 17 August 2008).

Pretty much says it. They destroyed Kinch Heights in under a week, so be careful...

Linkthewindow 10:25, 17 August 2008 (BST)