Formatting

Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else see the huge gap in between the introduction paragraph and the table of contents? And if it's not just me, might someone know how to fix it? - Goron40 00:14, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Also, if news gets updated they should be altered accordingly. If the mall is breached, just say it has been breached and remove whatever was said before. It just clogs the page if we have lots of "UPDATE: This was posted 5 minutes after previous edit". Try to keep it clean, the page is clogged as it is. --Gethsemani 06:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I see a concerted effort to suck any life out of the Wiki. Lots of updates are the last atmospheric thing left. I would kindly redirect you to a certain episode in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, where a live journal kept by the dwarves of Moria is the powerful witness of their ultimate demise. But no, apparently the Wiki police would like to see just a short notice 'Update: All dwarves are dead'. Bluetigers 07:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to learning that there are actual human beings playing your opponents - humans who also have just as much right to use wiki as you and your side/faction/group. It's a shared resource; best to keep it open and accessible to everyone. If you want to chest-thump, you can spout your jingoist crap all over your own group's page.--Jorm 08:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you please at least try to be civil? Thank you. As of atmosphere, this game is played by two factions which would gladly genocide the other one if they could. I'd rather see history through their eyes, and not through some dull lenses that suck out all the action and emotion. Your pick is the the latter (though a bit hypocritical, Barhah Mall & all), my choice is the former. Heck, even the classified in my sunday newspaper are more live than the dullness on this page.Bluetigers 08:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if it's too dry, I suggest you drink more water. Also: learn to indent.--Jorm 08:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Are we just a little off subject here? - Goron40 11:14, 26 December 2006 (EST)

I woud like to point out to Bluetigers that that is why you have a personal page and the ability to write journal pages here and on other sites on the internet. While I do agree with your sentiment that we should keep atmosphere, the wiki pages are not the place for that. These pages are meant to offer information about locations, groups, items and what not in the game and should be treated as serious attempts at conveying said information. These wikipages are not our personal roleplaying boards, and should not become such either.--Gethsemani 12:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

What a wonderful gift

=D

Caiger is finally back in Survivor hands. So much for the Zombie's plan to sleep here for Christmas.

The Third Siege

As fun as it is to debate things like zerging and zombies using human spies, and whatnot, IT'S NOT NEWS. Bitch about it on here, not in the History section of the front page.

Fall of Caiger

Has it officially fallen into zombie hands yet? Later tonight, we shall see. Matt the Zombie 08:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

At this point, there are around 300 zombies in the mall, i think its safe to say unless a co-ordinated strike happens to take it back, Caigar has fallen. Shacknews feast on limes and appleflappen, and rub themselves up against lamps, and theres not a single breather there to stop them.--Danalov 02:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Zerging complaints

What I would suggest, if you feel people are zerging is contact Kevan (he does listen sometimes, as long as it's serious) or you could always report them to Zerg Hunters Unlimited as they are dedicated to taking down people who are zergers. Don't just pick on level one newbies though! How would you feels as a level 1 charcter when people were going ZOMG ZERG with no proof except your next to another level 1 charcter who joined the day before. Peace out. Pillsy ^FT 15:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Nov 6 - UNBELIEVABLY MASSIVE ZERGING uncovered in Caiger area. Check out this screenshot. Now look at these ids. Nearly all of them are level 1 and joined between November 3 and November 5.

The zombies would like to thank this zerger for the excellent buffet he just provided us. Good luck getting all those people revived, asshole! Love, Shacknews.

Um... New firefighter characters always start in a random fire station, guys. And that's a range of 2000 or so character IDs.

Ok, that makes a bit of sense. So what are these characters' excuses?

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700120

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700182

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700190

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700171

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=702046

The tradition of Caiger's cheaters lives on.... DeathToSpam 03:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Nov 4 - More evidence of Zerging in Caiger Mall -- does one stand with the Zergers, or against them?:

You are inside Caiger Mall. Trails of looted debris litter the floors and escalators. The building has been lightly barricaded. There is a crowd of 558 survivors gathered here. [list names]

Somebody has spraypainted GET YOUR ALTS ON REVIVING DUTY! onto a wall.

To be fair, it's perfectly OK for people to play multiple characters in separate suburbs / quadrants of Malton. Of course, there are currently no penalties for playing multiple alts defensely: healing, reviving, barricading, etc. I doubt Caiger would be as tough if anti-zerging rules applied to both defenders and attackers. DeathToSpam 03:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Nov 2 - More zergers at Latrobe: Rathar of KEF and Ray of KEF. For the love of a living God, please run him out of the mall. --Appelflappenator 15:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Multiblock Stub

I don't know what is happening but this one has suffered the same as St. Luke's Cathedral so I'll repair it for the mean time. It will show as Chudleyton/Darvall Heights. Pillsy ^F! 09:14, 31 August 2006 (BST)

HUMOR

Prince of Caiger

I don't know whose fault this was... but I decided to record it for posterity. Anyone want to own up to it? --Ev933n 04:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A flare was fired 5 blocks to the west and 6 blocks to the south. (48 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "Now this is the story all about how my life got twisted upsi" (42 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "...upside down" (41 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "and I'd like to take a minute just sittin right there" (41 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I tell you how I became the prince of a mall called Caiger" (40 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "In West Becktown I'm born and raised" (40 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "on an NT is where I've spent the most of my days" (39 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool" (39 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "working on the necronet for extra-cred in school" (37 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "when a couple of zeds, who were up to no good" (37 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "started making trouble in my neighbourhood" (36 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I got in one little fight and my boss got scared" (35 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "and said you're moving in with the survivors of Caiger" (35 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I begged and pleaded with her day after day" (34 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "but she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way" (34 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "she gave me a kiss and then she gave me my 'tracter" (34 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I put my flak jacket on and said I might as well kick it" (33 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I saw an empty cab as I came nearer" (32 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "the licensplate said Fresh and had a dice in the mirror" (32 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "if anything I could say that this cab was rare" (32 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "but I thought naw forget it, onwards to Caiger!" (31 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I arrived at the mall about seven or eight" (30 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I yelled to the zeds ..." *static* "... off, smell you later" (30 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "looked at my kingdom I was finally there" (29 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "to sit my throne as the prince of Caiger" (29 minutes ago)
You heard a loud groaning from very close by. (28 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "To whoever just did that Fresh Prince rendition, I say:" (21 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "Very good job! Mind if I copypasta it?" (20 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "Sure. Never give up and always habeeb in the final victory!" (17 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "I HEAR YOU /b/ROTHER" (14 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "We gotta band together and tell all these zombies that:" (11 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "MALL'S CLOSED!" (11 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "Well, if the Mall is closed why the phuk are the lights on?" (9 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "Let me rephrase that:" (4 minutes ago)
27.35 MHz: "MALL'S CLOSED! ITS FULL OF SURVIVORS!" (3 minutes ago)

Some suggestions for surviving the siege

One thing I noticed at Bale, and something I'm noticing here, is that not everyone is on the same page about mall defense. I figure it would be a good idea to have a section in the article, or at least here on the discussion page, to lay down some suggestions for keeping the dead at bay. For the sake of example, here are a few of my own:

Your first priority is barricading. If the barricades are below Very Heavy at a minimum, shore them up before doing anything else--even before killing zombies already inside.
Don't bother leaving the mall to kill zombies. It takes almost a full day's AP to kill one zombie, which can stand up and attack again with no more than 15 AP and often only 1. Your AP are put to much better use healing survivors, reviving fallen comrades, and most importantly, barricading.
Let the entry points go. Survivors with free running can still use an entry point with open doors and 50 zombies inside. Those zombies still can't get in the mall.

Others can add their own, or remove mine if I'm dead wrong about something. This is mostly for the benefit of people who haven't been in a siege before. We could also use this space to log barricade strength, survivors inside, and zombies outside of each corner. X1M43 05:40, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I also noticed that the front page says to combat revive. Why? If you do, you've just wasted a syringe and chances are that zombie is either a) going to jump out of a window and join back in the fight in a few minutes or b) free run inside and PK you. Save the syringes for revive points. --TheTeeHeeMonster 20:53, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Good point. Another thing: Do we have a dedicated revive point? That would be a good thing to list here. X1M43 23:12, 31 Jan 2006 (GMT)
- I think it's St Isidore's Church as usual, along with Yeandill Towers (saw it graffitied there). --TheTeeHeeMonster 00:33, 1 Feb 2006 (GMT)
  - I think that Isidore's Church is overrun by rotters (last I checked, 100+ zombies there). Are there other revive points? Gharbad 11:33, Feb 5, 2006 (EST)

This is far more effective than my puny list. X1M43 16:45, 1 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Offical Mall Defence Theme Song

I would like to propose that VNV Nation's "Honour" be adopted as the official Mall Defence Theme Song:

Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve
A nation that stands alone
Cold voices, faces pale
Gathered unto their judgement day

Such pride remains unbroken
Such words remain unspoken
Just mothers to stand in vain and cry
Tears and medals in the rain

Shall I recall when justice did prevail?
No reason to be found why reason did fail
The all clear resounding
The way was clear to rebuild this land
Shall I call on you to guide me well
To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled?

Stand your ground, this is what we are fighting for
For our spirit and laws and ways
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
For heaven or hell we shall not wait
Shall I think of honour as lies?
Or lament its aged slow demise?
Shall I stand as a total stranger
On this day in this stone chamber?

The all clear resounding
The way was clear to rebuild this land
Shall I call on you to guide me well?
To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled?
On this day of our ascension -
On this day, we praise the fallen!

Stand your ground, this is what we are fighting for
For our spirit and laws and ways
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
For heaven or hell we shall not wait
Shall I think of honour as lies
Or lament it's aged slow demise?
Shall I stand as a total stranger
On this day in this stone chamber?

Thoughts? Commnts? Questions? Flames?

--John Taggart 19:08, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Never heard the song before myself, but like the lyrics. All in favor of it.

I'd like to suggest that, in addition to JT's proposal for "Official Mall Defence Theme Song" up there, we also have this little composition which I kinda made up myself, w/ a little help from the Beatles, as an "Unofficial Alternative Mall Defence Theme Song." While, sadly, I am not at present a Caiger defender myself at the moment, I feel this one could be used in the "lighter moments." Without further ado, here's my humble submission:

Caiger Zombie-Free
(To the tune of "Yellow Submarine," by the Beatles)

In the town where zombies roam was a man who came to me,
And he told us of his dream of a land that's zombie-free
So we wandered through the Heights, 'till we saw a sea of green,
And we build our barricades to keep Caiger zombie-free,

We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,
Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie free.
We all fight to keep Caiger zomibe free,
Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.

And our friends are all on board;
Many more of them live next door.
And the band begins to play:
(sound of a marching band playing)

We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,
Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.
We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,
Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.

(instrumental; sounds of barricades being reinforced, random Survivor chatter, the Channel 4 News Team daily report, gunshots, zombie noises, etc.)

As we fight to keep our Mall,
Every one of us has all we need:
Sky of blue and sea of green
Keeping Caiger zombie-free,

We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,
Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.
We all fight to keep Ciager zombie-free,
Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.
(Repeat last 4 lines several times until either people get tired of it or zombies breach the barricades)

(I've actually left one verse of the original song almost unchanged, since I feel it fits well w/ the theme. Also, the "sea of green" is a reference to zombie blood, just in case anyone doesn't get it.)

Anyway, like I said, I thought I might add this one as at least a candidate for the Unofficial Alternative Mall Defence Song. Praise it, criticize it, or whatever; I just thought I'd put it up for other people to take a look and see what they think. Anyway, happy hunting to everyone at the Mall! --Specialist290 03:31, 20 February 2006 (GMT)

Question regarding entry points

Do we really need them? Why not just let the zombies take the warehouse and library, the cades will always be low that way and people will be able to use the building as entry pointd and we won't have to waste manpower on them (so we will have more people watching the mall)?

I agree. Even this guy agrees with me (which should be the other way round ;) ). Holding Pagram is nothing more than a constant bleeding of AP and defenders which are needed more on the mall itself. Plus, you are simply not able to reach VS+2 like recommended. All players in there are active, everyone baricades up, and so they are at heavy every now and then. The fact that the baricades are supposed to be at VS is a very heavy burden for the defenders of Pagram (and other so-called entrance points), because the zeds can bring them down quicker and thus easier unnoticed by some to many of the defenders. The Mall Defence Manifesto is a very sensible paper, and simply too good to ignore. And in it it says "let the entry points go". We only need the Mall and the NT building (forgot its name) for defence. Everything else is just too costly, especially when the numbers of attackers come close to those of defenders. -- Quacki, 7 Feb 2006

Caiger Mall desperately needs entry points, that is, buildings that are not heavily barricaded. Official entryways to Caiger Mall should be kept Wide Open. An official Caiger Mall Entryway should be WIDE OPEN. Not lightly barricaded, not very strongly barricaded, not VS+2, but WIDE OPEN. If you barricade an entryway, even a little bit, a newbie or exhausted character dashes in there to sleep. Pretty soon a dozen naives are sleeping in there, and it is barricaded up. The spraypaint changes. Now it's an ego thing -- defend our house! When the horde attacks, a dozen barricaders click into action at once, and now the entryway is at Extremely Heavily Barricaded. Stop the dying!

The official entryway should be wide open. Declare one useless building to be zombie party central. Shatter its barricades into nothing. DNA-scan the zombies as they gnaw on furniture. Mall-shoppers run harmlessly past them. When the Free Running entryway is kept Wide Open, the only people who can block your character are death cultists or griefers, and they'll have to work hard and waste a lot of AP to do so.

Can I say it again? WIDE OPEN. Because that way nobody has to die trying to free run into a besieged Mall. --Tycho44 21:17, 20 February 2006 (GMT)

A message

We here at the scavengers, Clear across the city, have heard of your valiant efforts, and commend you all on your ability to survive. We admire your will to live, even through these harsh times. We commend you all, and wish you ammo, axes, and Aidkits. Godspeed. -Kaein

Zombies with brain rot. taking them out quicker with a list of them?

Can we Set up a zombie's around caigar mall with brain rot system? you CAN attack certain Zombies with brain rot by just adding them to your contact. then revive or kill them. so if you find one with brain rot you intention is to kill it. it will make revive's easier. question is. if you DNA Scan or try to revive a brain rotter those it give the link to it's profile? because then we can set up a list of brain rotters and make revive's a dead lot easier!

So far i've found one brain rotter.

Lethoso. http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=186332

- Shadow Link KCF Feel free to use our list compiled by the Science Department if you think it will help in your defense.: DHPD Confirmed Brain Rot Roster Please add to it appropriately if you manage to get info on one. Thanks, 1st Commisioner, Conndraka 03:34, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

Spreading out

Shouldn't we be spreading out around the four blocks?

448 + 628 + 476 + 1093 = 2645

2645/4 ~ 661.

So 661 in each block. Jon Kril 21:54, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)

No. They aren't. The SE quadrant is under constant attack, and so needs the largest garrison. Axeman89 01:48, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

The SE Quadrant is constantly under attack, so it needs the largest Garrison? I'd say we should still be spread out, what if the zeds attack a different corner?[User:SteelVortex2|SteelVortex2]] 09:32, 4 November 2006 (EST)

Retake RiddleyBank

If and When we win the siege, we will hae amassed the larget group of survivors in one place. I propose we take the fight to the zombies. March into RiddleyBank and drive them out. Show the Zombies who runs this town. I leave the floor open to discussion on this idea.

What, why wait until we win? We've got alts, don't we? They're not going to be doing much good in the mall, thanks to the new anti-zerg system, so why not send them en-mass to Ridleybank? The Gingerbread Men, at less than 30 strong, managed to barricade the whole suburb up to EH in just a couple days (granted, the zeds managed to debarricade down to wide open and kill them all in about the same amount of time). Qwertyuiop 18:31, 21 February 2006 (GMT)

And, while we're at it, Nichols mall could use some liberating. Every couple of days the survivors manage to clear it, but then some asshole comes in, PKs everyone while complaining about being combat revived, then lets all the zeds in. Qwertyuiop 18:31, 21 February 2006 (GMT)

They never took ridley, they just barricaded it. The thing you harmanz have to understand is that you can't "evict" zambahs, you can only tire them, or bore them until they leave. It's unlikely that the RRF will ever leave so it's pointless. Also the RRF is on excursion right now so we couldn't care less about Ridley/barhahville until we've finished our tour. Go ahead and barricade ridley, we'd like to have some snacks on our return--Mpaturet 02:04, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

So How Long Has The Seige Lasted?

So how long has this siege lasted? It's been at least a couple of weeks at this point, I'm pretty sure. But I've lost track. Can anyone tell me? --Brasswatchman 04:40, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

Puny Harmans

The zombies will eventually destroy caiger mall and the entrie harman race. do not resist! -The Lurker7

That's so funny I can't stop laughing... Come to Caiger, we will demonstrate our resistance to you. --OmegaPaladin 06:04, 23 October 2006 (BST)

Demonstrated by bleeding all over my fangs..Bwahahaha!Moil 12:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)Moil

PKers

Will you guys do somthing about them cause Psycho Billy just killed me in the NE corner of Caiger Mall @ 14:45 BST 22 July 2006 - Smithy Jones

Cleaning up the Talk Page

Someone should really sort out the comments bellow.

I’ve sorted them into a group for now.

Also, should someone mention the Mini-Siege that just ended? --Heiki 08:56, 6 August 2006 (BST)

Random Comments (to be sorted out)

Nolongerhuman (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=314144) just PKed Leftover Crack (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=303720) and tried to PK me. Both events happened today in the Papps Building just north of Caiger. Can someone put nolongerhuman on a PKer hitlist, please? Or go to my talk with instructions of how to do this? -- Gonzogonzo 15:40, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

I just made it into caiger. Zombies are in!--Maxwell Hammer 07:03, 14 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Is Caiger Mall currently only accessable to suvivors with Free Running, or are the barricades maintained at a certain level? I have a character in Chudleyton reaching their skill xp value threshold, and would like to know if I need to invest in more than one skill at the moment before heading towards the beseiged mall in question for supplies. --MorthBabid 02:01, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I've separated the Zerg list into confirmed Zergs (such as Hally/Haly and joe murphy FP/MurphaliciousFP/Murphalicious) and suspected Zergs (those with similar names and suspiciously Zerg-like activity, but whose Zergness or lack thereof has not been conclusively proven). Hope this helps! --John Taggart 23:04, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Well, May luck be with the survivors as the fight the glorious battle. --ThunderJoe 21:21, 21 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I may as well also send my best wishes to the survivors at caiger. I planned on being there, but not only am I currently across the city, but I'm not equipped for fighting a seige yet. Good luck --Bioweapon 23:33, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I wish they would stop Zerging. --Grim s 13:03, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Got proof? --John Taggart 15:06, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

i love when people that are losing come up with excuses. --Flaunted 14:26, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Hey, there ARE zergers in the mall. I have been in the mall and have seen them. The mall people have frequently been clashing with these cheaters. They have told them to leave and a few have ejected the ones that were 100% proven zergers. I understand you guys wanting proof and I do agree that there needs to be proof before saying these people are absolutely zergers. However, you must know that a lot of discussion goes on in the UD Forums; this is a good place to gather more information. Proof does go both ways though. Saying you can vouch for someone doesn't mean they are in the clear. Also note, they are not loosing. There are 500-600+ zombies around the mall, constant breaches and the humans are surviving. --Jacquie 18:13, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I did not remove their names from the list...which is pretty much me saying, that vouching for them is not enough. also there may be breaches but the mall is still in our control. --Flaunted 18:33, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

You may want to make that more clear as I didn't take your comments that way. I took them as you can "confirm" that those two individuals were not zergers, yet there was no more information regarding as to the reasons for your confirmation. You said "I love it when people that are loosing come up with excuses." My point is that they are not making excuses nor are they loosing and again the UD Forums clearly confirm that. That is pretty much all I have to say. I don't visit the Wiki much and just happened to get to this page because of the zerging issue. We have linked to this page via those forums. --Jacquie 00:39, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Flaunted. I have had to restore the list twice after you deleted it. Also, as for that MurphaliciousFP character, if you are so sure he is not a zerg, how do you explain the recently detected third account? (Murphalicious). Go to the forums and read the Caiger mall thread in thread in the human discussion area. Sift through all the spam in there and you will find all the proof you need. There is some in the Zombie thread on the subject too. --Grim s 01:21, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I just confirmed the Murphalicious/MurphaliciousFP/joe murphy FP Zerg triangle.

Murphalicious and MurphaliciousFP are classic Zergs, very similiar names, created 95 minutes apart. Murphalicious has This link in his real name section. joe murphy FP has that very same link in his real name section. This link leads to his Blog. Zerg Confirmed, end of story.--Grim s 01:27, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

That is interesting that the guy that Flaunted "confirmed" as a non-zerger was in fact zerging. The guy confessed and I find it very interesting. Next time you want to get on this thing and say something that is so beyond the realm of truth, don't. Just a little tip from me to the guy who "confirms" things. Over and out..yadda yadda yadda. --Jacquie 05:33, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

While I certainly don't condone zerging at all (and if I had the ammo and AP to spare, I'd be shooting those accounts myself), I daresay it's a little unrealistic to think that out of the 500+ zombies attacking the mall, NONE of them are zerg accounts. It's just harder to prove when it comes to zombie accounts. --Xenomrph 13:09, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

If Kevan's anti-cheat measures work fine, this is not going to be a problem anymore. --Seagull Flock 17:01, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I play the characters Haly and Hally and apologize for the "zerging" at Caiger Mall. I've only been playing since a couple weeks before the seige and didn't realize the practice was against the etiquette of the game. Hally will be moved across the city ASAP, but Haly will stay and help with the defense of Caiger. I humbly suggest that other folks who are using slight variations of the same name and "zerging" may also be unaware that they are doing something wrong. Most of us are probably at least clever enough to realize that we should pick completely different names if we're planning to violate the spirit of the game. Again, I apologize for my own mistake and will correct it immediately.--Haly 19:31, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Xenomrph, with the new anti zerging countermeasures, Zombie zergs are all but completely useless. Not so with human barricade drones, and since each one can waste around 250 zombie ap on average, and close potentially large breaches (like the Murphalicious zergs did), i would suggest that human zerging is the bigger threat. Haly, there is a section in the FAQ dealing with Zerging, so you cannot claim ignorance. Do not have your characters interact. Zombies do read profiles, and we can put two and two together.

Cheaters are not welcome at the mall, and typically all accounts of the cheater in question are evicted (Sometimes with an execution coming in first, if the person doesnt get out fast enough). I would ask you to remove your Haly account from the mall, as you cheated, and as such have no right to continue there. --Grim s 23:26, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Hey, Grim, who died and made you root@everywhere? Hally/Haly apologized and quite courteously removed Hally from the mall, why don't you reciprocate and let Haly stay? Or are you just that desperate for a win? --John Taggart 23:31, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Care to elaborate as exactly where to find a detailed description of the anti zerging measures, and how do they affect primarely the zombies? Because, as far as I know, the only real measure implemented is the 160 hit limit, and I just can't see how that would affect the zombies more than the humans. --Coco 04:22, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)

The new anti-zerging measures are described in, of all places, the Bugs section, here. Basically, characters operating within a certain (unspecified) distance of one another will find their hit percentages dropping. It's all been speculated that the "Bad FAKs" some characters have been encountering are a similar anti-cooperation measure. Now, zombie zergs attacking the barricades would suffer from the reduction to hit chances, but since barricading at low levels never fails, human barricade drones would not be penalized particularly.

Uh....did Astor19 really write "CURRUNT STATUS: ATTENTON zombie hoard moving toward caiger mall" here or is it a joke? --Craw 22:14, 7 Jan 2006 (GMT)

(http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=380195) Siriusly destroyed the generator. Siriusly said "No random revives, folks. Thank Gohan for me." Siriusly said "Free XP for killing me. C'mon, folks, I've been GKing for a week."

Can we stop the random revives?

PKers, GKers, and Zergers

That section is easily the most biased crock of shit I've seen since the BME's page. Don't anyone say "but he didn't mean it like all GKers and PKers are zergers". If I said "Necrophiliacs, Pedophiles and Catholic priests", you'd know damn well that I was marking the latter as guilty by association. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 12:03, 17 October 2006 (BST)

How right you are Xoid, well since most people only edit to say ZOMG One Zombie outside Caiger, call teh Troopes! I have changed to be more relevant. Zergers are not in the same bracket as PKers and GKers and if anyone has a problem with that then can take it up with someone who cares. Pillsy ^FT 23:10, 25 October 2006 (BST)

about my attacks on caiger

ok.. now im bewing pked... which isnt supposed to be fucking happening. i am only atacking caiger because peopel call it invincible. i want the peopel who sepnd all there tiem there to prove that they cna call it invincibl;e without help from alot of groups.

if they can prove that, i eill back off, if they cant, it will show that u cant always last in UD.
also, ciager sint what is keeping other hordes of zeds from otehr suburbs, the bash proved that 1 buddy. also, nobody is gonna save a mall and let a whole suburb fall!--cody6 13:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

10 Nov

As of this time, the undead have completely overrun the northwestern corner of Caiger Mall. --Comite 03:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

100+ zeds in NW corner...only 8 survivors...no 'cades...it might be over... :( :( I have no ammo left...LOW AP...what else can one do.... (weeping...) --Ignatz 22:41, 9 November, 2006 (EDT)

There are, at this time, 94 Zombies in the NW Corner, with cades unknown. There are also 2 Zombies in the SE Corner with cades at QSB. Zombie incursions have been regular today, but as of this point have all been repulsed. Over 300 Zombies continue to stand outside the mall itself. One thing is so blatantly crushingly obvious, I feel compelled to state it: Either zambah or harman, this isn't a safe place to be. --Peter Moran 03:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There have been heavy break-ins right from the start, and zombie numbers have at one point exceeded 100. The survivors are making coordinated counter-attacks so the results are still unclear; however Caiger is no longer safe as a human stronhold.--Shiakou 02:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, the zombies took that corner, and Kolea is laying outside with a ton of other dead bodies and plenty of zombies. What happens to Caiger now?--Lachryma 04:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This is really going to affect the second Malton Iditarod....Pillsy ^FT 16:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I have found the solution to everybody's problems. Brace yourselves, and take cover zeds. you cannot defeat the assault that is coming for you. It will be everlasting and the answer to all our problems and end all zerging across Darvall Heights and Chudleyton. The answer is River Tactics Zmobies have no use for "territory". Whatever will they do with a mall? Now, i understand the need to retake Caiger Mall as a Survivors Will Live Forever, so until we can retake it, we must employ River Tactics. Soadsod 17:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

River Tactics never work with large numbers. In fact it barely works with medium sized numbers. --Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt!} 17:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Pfffff. Shuttlebank used it pretty well IMO. After all, I lived, And I escaped. What more could you want? Not only that, but if it does fail it is due to the fact that people do not understand it. I'm trying very hard to stay neutral and not blatantly insult people.Also, that picture that has BARHAH in red letters on it? Read the graffiti. muahahah!!! Soadsod 18:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes...River Tactics moved all 1,800 survivors out of Caiger. No...no it didn't. BARHAH Tactics did. We removed the survivors. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CRF DORIS Hunt!} 18:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any other suggestions for application of River Tactics. And at the time I wrote that, the mall was crumbling under the weight of the zmobies, not to mention when I arrived there were less than 50 survivors, all of which were reported to be inactive. Let's not forget the Survivor trait of "surviving by not retreating", which worked wonders. Didn't it? River Tactics could have worked, had we had another day, a little luck, some quick feet and quick responses to it. Sadly, we didn't have any of those. Don't expect any more responses from me, I don't want edit wars. Soadsod 19:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure it could've worked. Contacting 1,800 survivors and telling them to leave Caiger now...That definitley would have worked... --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CRF DORIS Hunt!} 19:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

A Little graffiti goes a long way. In fact, the only way I heard about this was when I got on to my account this morning, who was at Bale Mall and I read the radio, and it was screaming Caiger has fallen and Goatsniper was all like "zmobies winning because they are dancing and having fun, not worrying about living." So a radio and some graffiti could easily contact more than 1800 survivors. Please, can we end the edit war now? I'd like to go play Rome Total War. Or Starcraft.Soadsod 19:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I love how humans were crowing about River Tactics -- as they were fleeing from or dying by the hundreds in Caiger Mall, after 15 days of fighting us tooth-and-nail. I love this screenshot of Horde tactics vs River Tactics, btw: http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/6907/caigermallbn0.png . Chronolith 04:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to comment on that, ahem......BURN!! -Bullgod 06:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Funny you should mention that......look at the one that has BARHAH in capital letters. Not only that, but I wrote that the very morning the mall fell. Soadsod 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

And that proves you guys didn't get your asses handed to you how? i was in the mall all through the seige, i didnt see anything that could be called tactics from the humans. they all just sat there and died. -Bullgod 03:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Apparently you're not getting the message. River Tactics are when you flee as an invading Horde advances, thereby denying them satisfaction and food. What you guys did, after two weeks of siege, was abandon Caiger Mall -- which makes your "BARHAH NOTHING!" quote worth exactly that -- nothing. Chronolith 04:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Take it back

Caiger has like 12 zombies in the most populated corner... I think it could be taken back... Not that it matters anymore... - Terra 19:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

There are already several survivor groups on the case, and many more are considering helping out. Caiger will rise again, it is as much a symbol of what survivors can accomplish as it is an attractive stronghold. Remember, for over year, Caiger was uncontested as a Human Stronghold. But just like the rulers of Gondor, the defenders grew weak, they began questioning if the zombie threat was real and then shacknews struck. When the defenders slumbered and dreamt of the future. Caiger shall rise again! We owe it to all those who held it for over a year, we owe it to every single survivor in Malton to once more erect the bastion of hope! And the Girl Scouts shall be there, on the fore front, selling our cookies as is time honored tradition! --Gethsemani 08:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

hmm...im starting to wonder if i shouldent send my zethren that way again with all this talk of taking it back... -Bullgod 12:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever happens this means that in the next few days another battle for Caiger Mall will begin. We should find some poeple to go and record the events as they happen. --Apex 23:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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