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Use the '+' tab at the top to create a new section at the bottom. If I've come to you, let's keep the conversation there; if you're coming to me, I'll be replying here. The archive can be found here. CONTRIB WATCHING You probably already know this, but you've been added onto the contribution monitoring service. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:49, 24 August 2009 (BST) Image:Example.jpg If you're not wanting it overwritten by teh newbs you can get it protected. I've just tested it out and you can't overwrite a protected image as a regular user. -- Cheese 21:58, 25 August 2009 (BST) Most excellent! To A/PT! --  RoosterDragon  22:03, 25 August 2009 (BST) Crazy EMRP idea I'm sure you've been asked something along these lines before, but what are the odds you could create a bot that could analyze external military reports and update danger reports accordingly? So if say, Johnny posts a EMRP to be filed for Yagoton, and the bot sees the words "The Whatmore Building", it could use that section of the report (bounded by the ellipsis's on both sides) to update the building's Danger Report?--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 23:21, 28 August 2009 (BST) I had been working on just such functionality a good while back, but then a bunch of users started recording manually (and they still are) so I focused on some other stuff instead. Guess I should probably think about finishing that off. --  RoosterDragon  23:46, 28 August 2009 (BST) That "bunch of users" is, for the most part, Kittithaj and myself =P all considered, a bot would be a real time saver, and would be less mistake prone. Also, a bit more complicated, would it be possible to program a bot that can use the "serious collateral damage", "infrastructure intact", "only one building with power". etc. blurbs to infer status reports (on the multitude of 'unknown' buildings)?--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 23:54, 28 August 2009 (BST) Is there enough information for that? I don't think you'd have enough to nail down a specific status for these buildings with any degree of certainty. Unlike named buildings which get a general status indicator and a horde (or lack thereof) report. --  RoosterDragon  00:22, 29 August 2009 (BST) My idea was for something that could just ball-park guess unknown staus reports off of the military.It would use the extreme infrastructure and power reports (and zombie counts) to make a logical guess at what the unknown, really-out-of-date reports were (i.e. EMRP states the suburb is "wrecked" and without power; therefore St. Phony Hospital, which has an unknown status and hasn't been updated in well over a month, is likely ruined). If this were to work, it would just replace reports marked 'unknown', since such a system would be a little too inaccurate to replace real reports. The way I see it, inferred reports, while far from ideal, would be better than a wall of unknowns. Am I making any sense?--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 01:10, 29 August 2009 (BST) I guess you could get away with it for extremes. You'd need blanket ruined/intact though, otherwise you wouldn't have enough information about individual buildings. --  RoosterDragon  01:23, 29 August 2009 (BST) Yeah, I'll admit the idea's a bit of a stretch. All the same, the more extreme reports aren't particularily uncommon.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 01:30, 29 August 2009 (BST) Well, I'll see what I can come up with. Gotta get it working before we can consider having it guess at stuff, after all :P. --  RoosterDragon  01:36, 29 August 2009 (BST) Ok, just ran the thing on the backlog of reports. A good thing too, it seems the manual updating suddenly became much more patchy. Talk about timing. Anyway, I noticed a few minor errors I was able to patch on the fly. If you notice anything odd over the next few days and updates please shout. See the bot's log for a comprehensive list of changes. One thing I spotted was that when logging reports, the bot posts a timestamp sans the timezone. It's actually always done this. Should I add the timestamp back in? I'd probably have to fix a lot of logs retroactively but guessing the timezone won't be a problem at least. On the bot's log I've already noticed the red links. The bot would update the disambiguated page but didn't record that name properly. I've fixed it so that fix should show up in the next record. Also, I'm still working on the "horde building" functionality. That's when you get a report "maybe 20 zombies outside the Specific Building" which happens so rarely I didn't worry much about it. That and it requires a lot of extra code because it can be any building whereas the general building reports are limited to strategic buildings. I did make it so that if this building is also reported on again in general status, the reports would be combined, but this failed :P All that said, things look pretty good. --  RoosterDragon  22:35, 3 September 2009 (BST) Well, so far, so good. From my experience the "horde building" reports are for the most part limited to hospitals and police departments, and generally say "a dozen" or "twenty". Considering that a lot of these buldings share the same name, I could see how it could become a problem. Not sure if you noticed this or if it would even help, but I noticed specific buildings appear to have specific messages (A is reported "being held" when safe, B "power's on"). I might be wrong, but if this is the case it could come in handy.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:18, 5 September 2009 (BST) The reason I edit more recently is because Rat of Steel keeps editing a lot of bot-doable edits. And he make mistakes more than once, including a deletion of important suburb data. Despite the fact that I warned him twice about leaving those tiresome edits to our EMR bot and focusing on quality mistake-free edits, he ignores me and continues to add more of them, making mistakes along the way. I even suspect he is another bot himself, because his edit pattern is very repetitive, and he never replies back any comments and criticisms. So, to prevent more damage, I take the matter in my own hands and edit those things before he does. Anyway, the new bot feature is good. So it lessen my and Red Hawk One's works updating those buildings manually. Things that can be automated furthermore are blanket reports like "infrastructure looks intact" and "the whole suburb is wrecked." Even "only Specific Building with power" can still be automated (for the said building, but not anywhere else.) The same thing can be done for "being held", "lights are on." Even just the word "definitely..." can be added as ruined (because it always follows by "...fallen.") Still, many fuzzy details need human ingenuity to deal with. For the horde building, as far as I can remember, all of them are important strategic buildings. So, no need to worry about unimportant buildings that have no danger reports (you've removed them all, right?) And even if such a case comes up, can't you just order the bot to skip it? And the duplicate names aren't going to be a problem. Because the name of the suburb is always right there at the beginning of the report. It won't be too hard to add it to make a specific report on said suburb's building. And, this is a very minor detail, but malls don't use "ruined" in their danger reports, but the bot reports fallen mall that way. I do understand that "in zombie hands" needs visual confirmation of the zombie number inside. And people sometimes add wrong tags as well. So, if it's too much of a bother, you don't need to fix it. -- Kittithaj 11:20, 5 September 2009 (BST) P.S. About the missing timezone stamps, I think of the same way. It's nice to have them fixed. But only the most fuzzy people (like us) will care. If it's too much hard work for you, then leave it alone. -- Kittithaj 12:17, 5 September 2009 (BST) All good feedback chaps. I'll look into adding smarter treatment of certain strings later, for now I just want to ensure it's doing the basic idea correctly. So: Malls using "ruined", I'll adjust that to ransacked, that was just an oversight on my part. As far as using ruined v in zombie hands. It's a debatable choice. I prefer ruined since that's all the military can be sure of. Though I'm willing to change it. Also, to be clear on the terminology I'm using on the fly here, here's an example report: 25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Suburb, I've got about forty active ... a horde of twenty or so outside the Horde Building ... lights are on across the suburb ... infrastructure looks intact too ... some survivor activity in Strategic Building One ... Strategic Building Two has definitely fallen ..." (10 hours and 55 minutes ago) Strategic Buildings are Forts, Malls and NTs (just something I made up with when I created the map) but I later realized the military only report on these locations, as far as I can tell, for the last two sections of the report. The "Horde" building is just the building the military notices has a lot of zombies outside. There's rarely enough for them to say anything other than "a few small groups" or whatever. Strategic buildings are limited to forts, malls and NTs which are easy to deal with. The horde building can be literally any building in the suburb however. Including "blah, horde, blah - outside a factory" which is of limited use :P. This is more difficult to deal with as I need to alter the in-game name to the wiki version, and possibly disambiguate by suburb and then maybe even co-ords for a few rare buildings. That and the horde building might also appear later in the same report as a strategic building. If it's a generic building (like a factory), but that building is the only one of its type in the suburb, a report could still be sought out. So getting comprehensive and correct reports for horde buildings could take a little while, and since they're so rare I didn't make it a priority. I'm still trying to think of a good method of identifying the cut-off transmissions and filling in the blanks. The bot just ignores them if it can't match an entire statement, so you guys can do those reports using your superior human ability to extrapolate if you like. Not sure about the extreme conditions yet though. Might wait until the extraneous reports are purged. Otherwise it could entail like 50 read/write requests which is added server load, but mostly damned boring to sit through when I'm processing them. Finally, the timestamps, I'll fix the bot so it logs new reports with timezones. It would be a bit much to fix all the old ones for me though. (But not for another bot, of course :P) --  RoosterDragon  18:36, 5 September 2009 (BST) Funny, I could have sworn the "Horde Building" was only either a hospital or police department. A bit off topic here, but any chance you could have a bot check Category:Confirmed Groups against the stats page? I tried doing it by hand but it was even too tedious for me.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:12, 6 September 2009 (BST) Okay, perhaps I misuse the term "important strategic buildings." The correct term I should use is "important resource buildings." So, sorry for the confusion. And I can somewhat confirm Red Hawk One's observation. Those horde buildings are resource buildings. I'm not sure if they're restricted to just hospitals and PDs like he said. But I believe unimportant building (one that doesn't need and shouldn't have a Danger Report) is never reported with zombies outside on External Military Radio. And, yes, "ruined" and "ransacked" are correct statuses for the automated bot update. Without a real scout looking at the number of zombies inside a building, "in zombie hands" can't be use. Don't worry too much about strange cases and minor exceptions. You don't have to spend time writing your bot to cover them. Those things are better be handled with human intelligence. After all, robots are designed to do tedious, boring, and easy stuffs, leaving humans free to do creative things. By the way, about Red Hawk One's project, the Confirmed Groups category is overused. But what are you going to do about it? You'll piss a lot of people if you try to remove that tag from their group pages. Also, an umbrella group like Dulston Alliance is big and very alive, but nobody is using that name to mark his/her group. Instead they use names of subgroups inside it. Removing such groups because they don't show up is strange and counter-intuitive. Just a thought. -- Kittithaj 17:55, 6 September 2009 (BST) While organizations like the DA obviously exist, the category is for confirmed stats-page groups; technically they shouldn't even be on there in the first place. Of course, it wouldn't be to hard to manually go back and re-add organizations to the list.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 22:16, 6 September 2009 (BST) It's a dumb category all things considered. For horde buildings, I swear I've seen reports for some insignificant buildings and even a report for "a factory" like I mentioned. Guess I'll have to look though some records and see if I'm remembering right. --  RoosterDragon  14:43, 7 September 2009 (BST) Well, Red Hawk One, you are correct. I won't argue with you on that. After all, you're just trying to enforce the rule laid down by the category creator. But as I said, some won't understand why that their 9-man group is tossed out. So be careful! You should put in the reason for category removal on edit summary of their group page (copy and paste works best here) so they understand and won't add it back/flame you. Perhaps the category should be renamed somewhat? The word "Confirmed Group" actually means a group that really exists and not made up by one guy. So that's why it is so misunderstood and overused. How about "Group Bigger Than Ten Members"? I know it's a bit too direct. But no one can mistook that. And, The Rooster, if you say so, then I believe you. After all, I'm just posting them. You're the one who goes through all those EMRs. And if it's the case, can't you just order the bot to skip generic buildings without Danger Reports? -- Kittithaj 20:15, 7 September 2009 (BST) a/sd category usage I was watching you tag some templates with template:speedydelete, I was wondering, any way to template that category category:Speedy Deletion Candidates onto the Speedy Deletion Queue permanently so pages with speedydelete template can be reviewed through a/sd? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 16:50, 29 August 2009 (BST) Transplant A/SD onto the category page. Then the listing appears at the end. I know of no method to directly transclude category members. See what the other wiki has to say on the matter. --  RoosterDragon  16:56, 29 August 2009 (BST) A/DM table Don't get it... Vista, Firefox, coding is fine. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:11, 31 August 2009 (BST) Looks fine to me (IE and FF). --  RoosterDragon  22:16, 31 August 2009 (BST) ;_; --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:11, 31 August 2009 (BST) Ha! Look at it now! It just won't stop! --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:25, 31 August 2009 (BST) Still fine here. --  RoosterDragon  21:56, 1 September 2009 (BST) Try hitting Ctrl-0 (zero, not oh) on that page. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 23:08, 1 September 2009 (BST) Thanks. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:08, 2 September 2009 (BST) *walks away mumbling quietly about how much he hates Vista*... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:06, 3 September 2009 (BST) minimaps There are a few pages created by your bulkupdatesbot that are on the orphans page. Brooke Hills/Minimap, Brooksville/Minimap, and Buttonville/Minimap. Were these supposed to be integrated into the suburb page? Are they the images being used, just still showing up as orphans somehow? --– Nubis NWO 06:16, 6 September 2009 (BST) They're being transcluded onto those suburb pages, but appear as orphans as they have no other incoming links. --  RoosterDragon  15:05, 6 September 2009 (BST) Is there a way we could make a page to dump them on for proper links? That way the orphan listing is more accurate and saves time when going through it.--– Nubis NWO 19:24, 6 September 2009 (BST) I altered Template:Suburb which trancludes these templates so it also provides a normal link to them. That should fix your orphan problem without the need for an ark. --  RoosterDragon  20:03, 6 September 2009 (BST) Protect Those signature pages. It'll make things easier. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:45, 8 September 2009 (BST) And to think I was just popping in before I logged off for the night... --  RoosterDragon  01:49, 8 September 2009 (BST) But then the vandals win! Nil gold 01:52, 8 September 2009 (BST) Ugh. Can't we just block registration for an hour or so until this guy calms down?--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 01:55, 8 September 2009 (BST) May just have a bunch of old accounts sitting around for just this purpose. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 01:58, 8 September 2009 (BST) Good catch with those two, Rooster.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:37, 8 September 2009 (BST) Regarding Whittenside EMR 25.96 MHz: "... leaving Whittenside, counted about forty outside ... all stragglers, no groups ... can't see any signs of life ... it's a wasteland down there ... Fort Perryn is looking wrecked ..." Its Danger Level was at a ghost town since September 5. Today's the bot changed it to dangerous. Let's compare the two: dangerous - Zombies inside many resource buildings; OR hostile mobs of 50+. a ghost town - At least 2/3 of the suburb's buildings either empty of Survivors or Ransacked/Ruined AND max 60 zombies in suburb and no zombie groups above 10. Isn't a ghost town more fitting? Only 40 zombies are there. Everything is wrecked. No lights whatsoever. I was very surprised by the change, and decided to change it back. The bot seems to contradict the levels, which are also written by yourself. -- Kittithaj 23:27, 11 September 2009 (BST) Not written by myself, they've been around since forever. Let me dig up my code for estimating the levels ... here we go: 3-star infrastructure, default to safe. M.D if zed >=30, D if zed >= 50, V.D if zed >= 100 2-star infrastructure, default to M.D, safe if zed <= 12, D if zed >= 50, V.D if zed >= 80 1-star infrastructure, default to D, M.D if zed <= 30, GT if zed <= 20, V.D if zed >= 60 0-star infrastructure, default to V.D, D if zed <= 50, GT if zed <= 20 So it estimates ghost town for 0 or 1 star infrastructures with 20 zeds or less outside. Otherwise it estimates a low(er) level of danger. My reasoning was that if there's 40 outside, there's probably a bunch more spread around inside buildings leading to a dangerous rating of some sort. Obviously it's all just wild assumptions, but there's not much else to go on. So, yeah it's all adjusted somewhat, but it can be tweaked if you think it's significantly off. --  RoosterDragon  15:49, 12 September 2009 (BST) Don't let hagnat know that you attributed his creation to someone else... He's bad enough when people don't mention his past work... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:32, 19 September 2009 (BST) So Hagnat wrote the levels? Well, since all the history prior to 2007 were mysteriously removed, and I wasn't here before that, I never know who started it. Anyway, interesting estimation, The Rooster. So, this means EMRs only count the number of zombies outside? I have just known that. This is kind of make sense since they *cough*Kevan*cough* are counting it from military helicopters. Anyway, I have found some info that might be of interest, if you haven't already known it, that is: EMR 25.96 MHz: "... about forty in Edgecombe ... mostly just small groups ... a lot of buildings with lights on ... infrastructure looks intact ... power's on at the Caffin Building ... the Maver Building has fallen - repeat, the Maver Building has fallen ..." The report said infrastructure looks intact, yet the last part said a Necrotech building has fallen. So, "infrastructure looks intact" is not the same as "can't see a single ruined building", and it's not a blanket term indicating all buildings are safe, as I once thought. This could change the way EMR Summaries are updated. But perhaps that's a bit too hair-splitting. Besides, the current three star system works fine as it is. So, if it's too much of a trouble to change, then it don't need to be changed. It's just one quirk I think I should mention. Now I wonder if there is an EMR with "can't see a single ruined building" and a downed building reported afterward... -- Kittithaj 20:57, 21 September 2009 (BST) Everybody seems to think it's outside zombie counts to the extent that I believe them, though I've never found any wiki pages with some nice screens proving it. The "looks intact" must indicate that most buildings are intact, and that's enough for 3 stars in my book. --  RoosterDragon  23:31, 22 September 2009 (BST) Oh, and Kevan wipes page history occasionally to help the server out. It depends when he does it, but the history is generally a year or two tops. --  RoosterDragon  23:45, 22 September 2009 (BST) I can give anecdotal evidence of the outside only rule. SFHNAS regularly encountered this problem. You can have 15 zombies meatshielding inside a building and the EMR still states "looking clear in kempsterbank" --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:23, 23 September 2009 (BST) OBR Ally Template No need to respond, Rooster. Just dropping by to thank you for the contribution to the template. Much appreciated! :D --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 07:07, 15 September 2009 (BST) Suburb danger levels. Any way of showing time since they were updated, or a bot that could reset to unknown those not updated in say a month? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:16, 18 September 2009 (BST) Add a user line so people can sign/timestamp the edit like the building reports. But do we really need such a function? --  RoosterDragon  01:02, 19 September 2009 (BST) Nope, I was just curious to see. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:24, 19 September 2009 (BST) ghost in wiki catacomes What's the go with, say Category:Suggestion? Has one article in it which doesn't exist... It's shitting up my specialpages, but only wantedcategories, the invisible article isn't actually in special:uncategorisedpages or anything. Odd? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:15, 25 September 2009 (BST) Discussed here, does it have anything to do with the missed talk page on the ghost? -- boxy talk • teh rulz 13:37 25 September 2009 (BST) Ugh, so many bugs related to that one goddamn page. I bet these head-spinners could be fixed by Kevan just updating the wiki... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:41, 25 September 2009 (BST) My standing theory is that the buggered example suggestion page (Suggestion: make_suggestions their own pages) had these categories on. When the namespace became real, the space between it and the title caused a big error. Thus the page is a ghost that causes a few errors. --  RoosterDragon  12:55, 8 October 2009 (BST) May I use your template for my page? I am looking to create a wiki page here, and I am new to all this so I am looking for interesting pages to use as inspiration. May I be allowed to use your page template with minor variations? Variations being obviously liking to my talk and what not with color variants, and text of course. --Ash Brimstone 23:05, 25 September 2009 (BST) You can do with it as you like. --  RoosterDragon  12:45, 8 October 2009 (BST) helpo I know you aren't around usually so I'll just be brief and say if you find this and you have the time, I need someone who is better than me at coding for this relatively simple task. Help out? TIA. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:56, 30 September 2009 (BST) Thanks for totally archiving that topic a mere week after posting this and making me dig through the page history. Anyway, have seen. --  RoosterDragon  13:01, 8 October 2009 (BST) Your recent changes to Map Colours. Today you have made changes to those templates: Template:StatusMap safe Template:StatusMap under attack Template:StatusMap under siege Template:StatusMap ruined Template:StatusMap in zombie hands Template:StatusMap rebuilding Template:StatusMap rot revive Template:StatusMap unknown Now when they show up on the suburb page, all NT building coordinates appeared in black. For example, in Raines Hills page, three different statuses, Safe, Rebuilding, and Rot Revive, are all black. This happens on both IE and Firefox. Please do something to correct this. I don't want to just revert them all, because that could cause some unwanted side effects. You're the only one who knows how the system works, thus the only one who can fix it. -- Kittithaj 23:05, 21 October 2009 (BST) Fixed I believe. --  RoosterDragon  09:09, 22 October 2009 (BST) I see. One little # symbol makes all the differences. -- Kittithaj 20:46, 22 October 2009 (BST) Well, the intention of my change was to move the hash from the colours to the formatters. So it's natural it would be the culprit :) --  RoosterDragon  23:08, 22 October 2009 (BST) Co-ordinate-chen? Do you know how I could make Template:Status show a different co-ordinate based on which TRP it's User:DangerReport-ing? --RahrahCome join the #party!20:52, 22 October 2009 (BST) The variable {{{xy}}} contains the co-ords. --  RoosterDragon  22:29, 22 October 2009 (BST) Doctor Doctor! "The signature comes up and throws the timstamp in a box under the sig! 1!" --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:26, 24 October 2009 (BST) May be a span tag problem, haven't been able to see the prob yet. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:28, 24 October 2009 (BST) The first rule of signatures: It's always a span tag problem. --  RoosterDragon  17:33, 24 October 2009 (BST) Ty! --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:08, 25 October 2009 (BST) Stalking Monroeville - Needs attention on everything. This has subcategories requiring attention. How does it need sorting? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC) Well the locations need sorting into proper categories. Do we need "Monroeville Locations" and "Monroeville Suburbs" categories akin to Malton's "Locations" and "Suburbs"? The groups need sorting out a bit. Checking to see what misc pages shouldn't be in the Monroeville category (and which ones are missing) would be helpful. There's some loose templates that can go into the Monroeville templates category etc etc. Just common sense stuff. --  RoosterDragon  13:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC) Same with the birthday boy? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Aye. Ideally it'll follow Malton's system. Malton>Locations>Some Building Type>List of those buildings Malton>Suburbs>Some Suburb>List of places in that suburb but we only need that if there's enough locations to bother keeping pages for in the long term. --  RoosterDragon  13:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC) New Barricade Plan template An interesting revise of the system. Still, if you ask me, I prefer the older, smaller one. All those building information are duplicates of the Suburb Map, shown in the Suburb page directly under it. So they're kind of redundant. But, since I wasn't there while you guys were brainstorming for the changes, what can I say now? :\ What I'd like to ask is to keep the Template:BarricadePlan intact. So any users or groups can continue to use it if they prefer it that way. As usual with all major changes, I decide to archive old versions of the barricade plans under my own namespace. In case there are problems, and the history is not available (i.e. deleted by Kevan), they can always be retrieved from there. While I was archiving them, I found a problem regarding Earletown Barricade Plan. You see, there were two conflicting barricade plans for Earletown. One was designed by BOW, and called Suicide Prevention Protocol. The other is the one currently in use. I have voiced this concern with DanceDanceRevolution before. But we couldn't find a conclusion due to the lack of response from both parties. I myself think BOW's one was better designed. And yet I don't want to change it back because it's not my business. Then today, after the new template was put in place, all former barricade images were deleted. I believe the current Barricade Plan is Image:EBP.jpg. So the picture can stay deleted. The BOW's plan, however, is in Image:BOWbarricade.jpg. Is there anyway to recover that back? Until this problem is resolved, there should be two separate pages. One for the current Earletown Barricade Plan. And one for BOW's plan. The page BOW/Suicide Prevention Protocol shouldn't be redirected to Earletown Barricade Plan either, since it's not theirs and both plans are completely different. And to prevent similar problems from happening again, I think you should leave any barricade plan within userspace/groupspace or has group name attach to it intact (no editing, no redirecting.) And only work on the neutral <Suburb> Barricade Plan pages/templates instead. After all, a group barricade plan belongs to that group. Let them decide if they want to switch to the new template or not. -- Kittithaj 03:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC) Rooster can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the intention was merely to use the new template for the <Suburb> Barricade Plan pages and templates. The wrench in it all is that some suburbs (like Earletown) do not have these pages or have redirects set up to go to a page in a group's namespace. You can certainly speed up the process by posting the Move Request for the sysops to deal with, otherwise it'll be taken care of in due time. I know Rooster is updating the Template: <Suburb> Barricade Plan pages, and I am doing so as well. But with only the two of us it will still take some time. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 07:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC) I think this is a bit of a screw up on my end. All these goddamned plans. I originally moved the BOW plan to the Eraletown page because it was linked to and Earletown Barricade Plan redirected into it, it had also been tagged. I imagine I then later ran across the template, thought it was more recent and then just blindly copy-pasted over the image having forgotten my earlier move, hell I even changed the tag to unreviewed as a result. I've managed to save the BOW plan from the almighty google cache. Since the "EBP" image was unattributed to any group, and that's the one I based the template off, I think you're right in that it can stay deleted. I'll restore the BOW page as a separate entity from the plan and fix up the text. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll tread more carefully around the weird special cases. Man I wish this wiki were better at picking a scheme and sticking to it. --  RoosterDragon  08:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC) PS: I forgot to mention, we designed two templates. The large one you see by default, and also a smaller one which looks more like the original. Try calling {{Dakerstown Barricade Plan|Small}} somewhere and you'll get a small version. Looks good on suburb pages, though of course barricade plans aren't meant to be on suburb pages to start with *que another rant about inconsistancy* --  RoosterDragon  08:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC) PPS: Maverick: I might be cheating and using a script that turns out the whole plan and just needs me to enter the cade levels. Now it takes 5 minutes not 25 :D --  RoosterDragon  08:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC) The script has made things infinitely faster. The entire NW quadrant is done. I'll be moving onto the SW tomorrow. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 20:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Silly billy How does one change Template:DramaLevel's colours on the slategray version again? I made an ugly. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC) You need to change the Active/Inactive text colour templates as well. It doesn't make a difference for the blue one as they're both white but the inactive one is black on the slate one. Cyberbob  Talk  13:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Ah yes. Danke! --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC) YOUR USERPAGE Can I desecrate it? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC) Of course. It's my fault you can too! :) -- SA 02:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC) I'd rather get it straight from the rooster's beak; when I decide to destroy a page, I don't dick around. Also, SA will automatically get 7% of the mayhem I cause as royalties. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC) But it was so beautiful... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC) o sa u theving bitch. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC) I am not a thieving bich.-- SA 03:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC) No, ur a cunt. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC) Agreed.-- SA 03:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC) we must respecs our Civilians Under Navel Training; they r imprnt ppls, and this r imprnt page. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC) Thanks For some reason I missed it earlier, but I just now noticed your edit to Image:SoC_short.png. I just wanted to say thanks for doing that, rather than outright removing the advertisement that it's associated with. You definitely went above the call of duty, and I wanted to make a point of singling you out and expressing my gratitude. —Aichon— 22:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC) Random Thought After the Trps are done, how about adding a status light on Template:Locationblock between [[{{{suburb}}}]] and [{{{coordinates}}}] to indicate the danger level of the suburb the building is in? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC) It's a decent thought, why not raise it on the talk page? --  RoosterDragon  21:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC) true. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC) your opinion please Hey rooster. Thank you for your explanations on my talk page about Category:Location Images. I've designed a little template that would go on that page and replace the current subcat template, which doesn't appear to work as designed. Anyways, I'd just like to know what you think about the template in terms of it's usefulness and how it looks. (edit) And, while we're on the subject, I wonder if you could check this conversation out and weigh in there with any relevant info. Thanks, you're the best!--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 00:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Link in a cell I'm trying to work some wiki magic on the table here . Is there any way in which I could link the cells to their respective suburbs without adding in spaces or text? I've tried, but adding in a non-breaking space ruins the look of the map. I think it's possible by adding the link as a characteristic of the square, but I have no idea of what mark-up to use to achieve that. Rahrahbahb 10:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)