UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs The Apocalypse Horde

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The General Vs. The Apocalypse Horde

I am levieing an arbitration case against The Apocalypse Horde due to there extremely antisocial use of large, and gruesome images. I believe that it is wrong to use such images on a group page, due to the large amounts of bandwidth used. I request that these images are either removed, or, at least, shrunk, to allow for standard browsing of the page without these obnoxiously large images.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 21:25, 18 September 2006 (BST)

I would be willing to serve as arbitrator.--Gage 21:31, 18 September 2006 (BST)
I am prepared to accept you as arbitrator.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 21:32, 18 September 2006 (BST)
Hey, I was typing to ask but you said yes already...--Canuhearmenow Hunt! 21:33, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Has the other party been informed of this case?--Gage 22:46, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Have you tried to explain this situation with them before opening this arbitration case ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 23:26, 18 September 2006 (BST)

One of their sections is easily handled with the use of the <gallery>Image:image.jpg|caption</gallery> command. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 23:46, 18 September 2006 (BST)

How about contacting me as well?

Well, no one informed me of this until I logged in and saw missing images. Nice to know that an arbitration essentially means 'delete with impunity and don't tell the person'.

Anyhoo, on my behalf, the images are all from classic high profile zombie movies, and well, if you are offended by zombie images, why are you looking at a zombie apocalypse game?

Also, why is a blood covered zombie face inappropriate (skinny gringo) but a severed blood covered zombie face in a cooler okay (a sense of unease)?

PS thanks for the gallery setting thing, that was really good and makes the page much nicer. Whoever did it, that's grand. I just didn't know about that function or would have employed it.

--Roysten Crow 24:26, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Do you wish to pursue this arbitration General?--Gage 02:23, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Well, someone has already assumed that I'm wrong and made the changes and deleted the images, without even informing me. 'General' also threatened me and told me that I'd be banned, of course, without telling me that there was the availability of the arbitration process or indeed that it was even going on, namely, this...

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Roysten_Crow

From this I assumed he had both the authority and permission, and there is no mention of anything about me being allowed to challenge his assault on my page.

Is this the case?

--Roysten Crow

The General did not threaten you. He warned you for putting up a picture on the wiki which showed full frontal nudity. We are not a porn site. He deleted the gruesome images from your group page because they were of
  1. A man with his arm cut off, a bloody gory stump still visible.
  2. A man who had been disemboweled. Rib cage/ intestines visible.
  3. A gory and bloody face.
He took you to arbitration to remove others. There is a good chance all of the rest of the images will be allowed to stay. I just have two questions:
  1. Does the General wish to pursue this further?
  2. Would Roysten_Crow accept me as arbitrator if he does?--Gage 02:45, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Er, my main problem is that it in your rules says that both parties should be represented. I wasn't even informed.

Also, it's just latex and red paint. It ain't even vaguely real.

Also, it's zombies, not real people.

Also, I find it odd that I've had this stuff up for yonks...nothing.

A person called MrAushvitz asks to join, we let him in, AND THAT SAME DAY you lot throw a fit about images, and oh look! The people who have a deal with the images hate his guts and have little bitchy emblems decrying him all over their pages.

Wow, and suddenly the Horde page is a problem.

What an amazing cooincidence.

Arbitration? Yeah, so long as you like the person and they're a mate. What a sham.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roysten Crow (talk • contribs) 23:29, 18 September 2006.

You are your representation. If you accept me (as The General has) I will be the judge. I was going through the upload log when I found the offensive picture. I had no knowledge that MrAushvitz joined your group.--Gage 04:15, 19 September 2006 (BST)

To answer your question, I do still want to persue the arbitration, unless they are prepared remove the images.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 08:18, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Enough already

The Horde page is pretty old. Nothing bothered anyone, nor should it because it's a zombie game, and oh, wow, look, pictures from zombie movies. Even the film board classify zombie violence as different to violence depicted against people.

In addition, the pix

1/ The Asian dude with the missing arm? He's really missing it in real life. A picture of a real amputation would be fine, if a little creepy. Add some latex red tatters and 'boom' oh the horror.

2/ The bloody gory face? It's a zombie!!!! They don't die from shaving nicks. All zombie pix have blood on them. All zombie pix have wounds. They're zombies!!!! Dead folk!!!! Mobile stiffies!!!! Cadavers what have bought the farm!!!! Corpses that now actively practice the pushing up of the daisy!!!

3/ Chewing a severed leg? Fine. A bit of guts? The Horror, the horror. Again, its a zombie, its from Day of the Dead. You can see that seen on telly, just not the bit where they hit the floor, which, strangely enough, ain't in the picture.

4/ Tits? Oh sweet jesus no, the horror, the horror. You see 'full frontal nudity' of this kind on film posters and Page 3 of the Sun.

So...

A person you hate joins the group and literally, within a few hours, someone has deleted images, and strangely enough the first one deleted is of that very player's character.

They also start arbitration against the group page without bothering to inform us, and also, issue threats to ban if we dare to meddle with their decision.

Then, a person who hates the new Horde members guts and plasters this fact over his page boldly steps forth to generously arbitrate.

As you can expect, my faith in fairness here is a little strained by this point.

Okay...

1/ The pictures were already deleted by the person who started all this. He just deleted them and warned me I'd be banned for trying to put them or anything like them back. Talking about deleting them is a moot point. It's been done.

2/ I haven't uploaded them again. I've left them with an external link that states that these zombie pictures are too zombie for a zombie game. In fact, I did this before I even found out that this fake and jaded 'arbitration' fiasco was going down.

3/ You have a problem with this Ausvitz dude, fine. Take it up with him.

In conclusion

You deleted, then you bitched. There has never been an arbitration process. The images were deleted, I have not put them back, and have left a link elsewhere instead.

Why is this ridiculous charade continuing.

We're heading back to the game now, so feel free to continue your feeble persecution of this group to sate whatever it is you have against this player who none of us know, none of us have met, and who just asked to join us and we said 'yes'

What sadistic nazi Asian amputee gore encrusted tits out fiends from the lowest level of hell we must be.

--Roysten Crow 8:55 19 September 2006 (PST)

I didn't levy this before because I hadn't seen your page before. It's a text based zombie game, which means that those images are not what I expect to see. I deleted the images that you complained about, this is about the ones which weren't bad enough to allow for a deletion, under the present rules, but which I would like removed. This is not because Mr Ausvitz joined your group, so cut out your fucking persecution complex. I am giving you a chance to do this fairly through arbitration, and you throw it right back in my face and insult me (plainly not having read a word I said). As you have not rejected him, I take it that you accept Gage as arbitrator, I have made my case, you have made your rather rude one. It is up to the arbitrator to decide.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:16, 19 September 2006 (BST)


Yeah yeah yeah, whatever captain bullshit artist.

Your deal started in the space of a couple of hours since he joined.

And now I'll wait why your bestist mate decides?

I am AGAINST Gage.

Gage hates this Auschvitz dude.

You hate this Auscvitz dude.

Auschvitz dude joins Horde

Connect the dots

You are a petty small minded liar.

I've removed the pix and yet you now continue your little rant crusade. It's pretty clear what your REAL deal is.

General: "I hate these pix and I deleted them" Me: "Okay, I'll external link and they don't appear." General: "Oh that was easy. Er, um, wait, I hate other stuff too!!! I'm so important, I'm so fab, all my mates will back me up because I'm so juicy."

You really need to get a life mate. You say I'm paranoid? Nope, just realistic.

--Roysten Crow 18:30 September 2006 (PST)

The End

Okay, in summary

1/ You had a prob with the layout.

Some people sorted it (thanks to them, it looks grand).

2/ You had a prob with some pix.

They're gone. Sorted.

Why is this still going on?

There is nothing left to arbitrate, and even so you continue, but of course, I'm paranoid?

ONE person finds a prob with some pix, others don't, and even praise the site, but the single person gets their way.

Oh that's very nice.

This whole thing is ridiculous, spawned by a petty, stupid person who cannot just let this thing lie and who has to keep badgering and hassling to prove how important and powerful they are.

What a complete pantload of farce.

I don't care about arbitors, people have come forth, General hates them. I don't trust mister 'I hate the horde because they acecpted someone I don't like' (I have no idea what this person did, nor do I care, nor should it be relevant or even have warranted all this crap).

I have been reasonable, I have done what this General tool has mewled about. This should be the end of it.

Of course, we now give you Gage and General with their next session of revisionist action, denial, and flimsy assault...

Yawn

--Roysten Crow 19:07 September 2006 (PST)

Woah woah woah. Its not a "site" its a page, on a wiki. It is not YOURS nor is it Property as such. Therefore acting like you actually are protecting anything is idiotic, because its about a PAGE on a WIKI. Not your site that you built from the ground up. As such, you play by the rules of the actual site, aka the UDWiki; and if you think you have an arguement (which you might, I don't care enough to check) you then take it as the rules of the wiki state- basically, choose an arbitor and state your case. Easy enough, isn't it? --Karlsbad 03:23, 20 September 2006 (BST)
Actually, karl, that is THEIR page. According to our history of page property that page is theirs to do as they wish. Just like the CDF page is that blueish hell and we cant do a thing about it. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:33, 20 September 2006 (BST)
You COULD, if you actually thought that you could get an arbitration case passed. However, as no one cares enough to bring it up, its easier to ignore. --Karlsbad 06:46, 20 September 2006 (BST)
You my friend, are one paranoid motherfucker. How could I possibly have known MrAushvitz joined the group? I couldn't have. I looked on all relavent talk pages, all places where it could possibly be... and guess what... I didn't find it. So where is this information? I didn't know until you told me! I don't care, and I am not really offended by any of the rest of the images; I don't know what your problem is, but whatever.--Gage 03:25, 20 September 2006 (BST)

Arbitrators

Here are the arbitrators I will accept, if Gage is rejected:

--The General T Sys U! P! F! 16:06, 19 September 2006 (BST)

I like how you left yourself on that list. *rolleyes* Cyberbob  Talk  16:13, 19 September 2006 (BST)

lol, that was a mistake, but if they really are stupid enough to pick me to arbitrate my own case, then i'm not going to stop them.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 16:14, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Okay. This is ridiculous. I have received a blessing from The General and no objection from the Horde so I expect to start the case soon.--Gage 17:56, 19 September 2006 (BST)

You must be new here. Rasher 18:40, 19 September 2006 (BST)
Do you have anything constructive to say, or are you just trolling?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:56, 19 September 2006 (BST)
I think he's referencing the fact that gage has to actually be accepted. It's not enough that he isn't explicitly denied him. Just my opinion.Jjames 21:57, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Roysten Crow - you must pick an arbitrator. I have no bias against you or your group, nor do I hold any favor for The General. I will endeavor for a quick and (hopefully) painless end to this if you just cooperate.--Gage 22:06, 19 September 2006 (BST)

Me! Me! *Shakes hand in air vigourously.*--Canuhearmenow Hunt! 20:51, 21 September 2006 (BST)

Arbitration

Following this case from the beginning, i have made several changes to the Apocalypse Horde page that were approved by their owners AND that comply with all requests made by The General when he opened this case. All gruesome images were already taken away from the wiki, linked in the page just below a nice notice about their content. There is no more case here, so i ask this arbitration case to be closed. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 21:34, 24 September 2006 (BST)

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