Developing Suggestions

Developing Suggestions

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• Be sure to check The Frequently Suggested List and the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots before you post your idea. There you can read about many idea's that have been suggested already, which users should be aware of before posting what could be a dupe, or a duplicate of an existing suggestion. These include Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles. There users can also get a handle of what an appropriate suggestion looks like.
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Suggestions

Zombie Hunter Skill Redesign

Timestamp:	Kolechovski 13:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Type:	Skill
Scope:	Zombie Hunters
Description:	What’s suggested: Headshot, still learned at level 10, allows firearms to bypass Flak Jackets worn by zombies. Zombies with Flesh Rot will still get a damage reduction. A new skill, Brain Damage is introduced as a branch, available at level 15, with the current Headshot’s effects, costing an additional 5 AP upon standup. Reasons why: In an apocalypse, as a survivor becomes more familiar with zombie fighting, he eventually learns that aiming for the head will bypass Flak Jackets that may be worn by many zombies. With further experience, he learns to specifically target the brain, noting that this further incapacitates the zombie. This is a reasonable path of discovery for someone in a zombie-infested city, and it fleshes out the Zombie Hunter tree more with realistic skills. Also note that as Flak Jackets are items, they are meant to be more of a survivor item, while Flesh Rot is something that long-time zombies would experience, and would be the more realistic route a zombie would go through. This skill change helps enforce this idea. It also means that the rotten flesh will still absorb firepower, so it doesn’t work against zombies. Brain Damage (the current Headshot) becoming available at level 15 would make more sense with refinement, and it would lessen the amount of 5 AP losses to zombies, especially the newbs, who already suffer 10 AP standups.

Discussion (Zombie Hunter Skill Redesign)

At a glance I like it... --Honestmistake 13:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Would the new Headshot apply to survivor-on-survivor combat? It's the same flak jacket and a survivor's head is just as (if not even more) vulnerable than a zombie's head, so it'd make no sense if it didn't apply to it. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 13:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Supplier

Timestamp:	Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 10:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Type:	Skill/Item.
Scope:	Survivors
Description:	New Military skill. When bought, Supplier allows the player to create a Box of Supplies. The resultant box will be added to the player's inventory (unless they are encumbered more than 70%), and takes 30% encumberance. When placed in a building, any player can search the Box of Supplies. Searching the Box will be as if you were searching the building the box was made in, however no items above 15% encumberance can be taken from the box. The box lasts until the total encumberance of the items taken from the box becomes more than or equal to 30%. Zombies can destroy the box, and gain 5XP for doing so. The box lasts for 3 solid hits. If a Survivor has Shopping, they can choose which store to assemble the Box of Supplies from.

Discussion (Supplier)

Zerg-o-rific. --WanYao 11:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

As Wan. This would become a great tool for zergers, meh-worthy for everyone else. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I see the zerg-properties now. How about if I make it a Civilian sub-skill of Bargain Hunting (making it 3rd-tier)? --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 11:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Ring the Bell

Timestamp:	Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 07:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Type:	Gameplay element
Scope:	Survivors
Description:	Allows survivors to ring the bell found in church & cathedral belltowers. Has the same effect as a flare. Cannot be done in a ruined church.

Discussion (Ring the Bell)

Seems pretty harmless. What's the flavor text? Linkthewindow  Talk  09:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, right. You ring the church bell, You climb the bellfry and ring the cathedral bells, The bell is blocked by rubble, you cannot ring it until the building is repaired, You cannot reach the cathedral bells until the building is repaired, You hear a church bell rining [Number] blocks [Direction] and [Number] blocks [Direction]., and You hear a cathedral bell ringing [Number] blocks [Direction] and [Number] blocks [Direction]. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 09:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Its a bit spammy but if you allow the zombie who ruins the building to gesture defiantly for everyone nearby to see then you get a keep from me "With an awful clang you cast the bell from its tower and bellow triuphantly at the city below" Almost as pointless as making the noise but would at least allow the gathered horde to see your victory.--Honestmistake 09:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

It should definitely have a shorter range than a flare, only 5 blocks or so. Also, I think you should have to fix the bell separately after fixing the building. It shouldn't be cheap either, somewhere around 10AP sounds about right to me. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 15:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

That sounds much better. Any more and it would just become useless spam. How much does it cost to ring the bell? Linkthewindow  Talk  20:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking 1, maybe even 2 AP. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 22:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Higher cost. something like 5ap. It takes 10 to spraypaint a billboard, remember these things are heavy. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Good point. 5 it is! --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 22:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I like 4, it's an even number.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 22:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but 5 is a multiple of 5. I'm a freak like that.--Mkgeeeeze 01:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Law of fives? Just for that, you get my vote. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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60-75 AP Cap

Timestamp:	Mkgeeeeze 22:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Type:	Rule Change
Scope:	Everyone
Description:	Before I continue let me preface this by saying that if this is a dupe I appoligize because that was not the intention. I know this is in the FAQ on the site and Kevan has pointed out the unfairness of this but please here me out. What: This would make your AP maximum somewhere around 60-75 allowing for a little more play time each day. Why: I don't know about you but with the current amount of points I find myself only able to get in about 20 minutes (minimum) to an hour (maximum) worth of gameplay and I would like a little bit more. With 60-75 it's not enough to run all over the whole map but enough to go to a few more places speak with a few more people and fight a few more times. I don't know maybe I'm not budgeting my points well or maybe I'm the only one unhappy with the current amount of playtime, but I feel like I'm not. Why Not: I understand that there may be people worried about someone getting attacked to a fatal or near fatal level and to this I say a few things: Up the AP cost to attack No? Too harsh? Then have a max amount of times that you can attack a certain character. No again? Then do nothing about it. Sorry if I offended anybody or was rude or if this is a dupe. Happy commenting! Note: Depending on the responses I plan to put this up for vote in about a week.

Discussion (60-75 AP Cap)

No time or inclination to rant at you, but this would allow far too much to get done while other players were offline. Fair warning, you're going to get a new one ripped for you by some of the people on this page, so be prepared. --Pestolence^(talk) 22:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Easy solution: make another character. Doubles the time you spend playing the game. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 23:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Very good point. In fact I'm playing with three at the moment, but I still think that you should be able to do more in the game at one time.-- Mkgeeeeze 21:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

No. Just no. 50 was picked for a reason. Kevan knows how the game dynamic works, by which I mean how people spend their AP, and he has chosen to keep it at 50. Any more would change things more drastically than you think.--SirArgo ^Talk 03:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

From the FAQ. There may eventually be character skills which modify the maximum AP and its recharge rate, but the basic starting-character settings will remain the same..--Pesatyel 07:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, point taken. You guys put up a very good argument so I will admit defeat with modesty and not put this up for vote.--Mkgeeeeze 01:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was pointing out that suggestions along that line ARE "allowed". They just aren't looked upon favorably. The BIGGEST key to it is balance. 60 to 75 AP is way too much.--Pesatyel 06:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Corpse Tagging

Timestamp:	Marcusfilby 01:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Type:	Equipment/Skill Enhancement
Scope:	Survivors (Spraying), Zombies (Being Tagged)
Description:	What: An alternate use for the spray can for those with the tagging skill, with all of the usual caveats (1AP, consumes a certain amount of the spray can's capacity, etc). Survivors may tag a zombie player in the same room with a short (5 character) message, word, what have you, using the same criteria as the Graffiti guidelines (no profanity, whatever else). The 'tag' would appear in two places: the zombie player's profile, after their clothing items, in the form of 'MarcusFilby has had 'TAG' crudely spraypainted across his chest in <random assigned color>.' in the room description to differentiate them from other zombie players, on a subline such as 'One of the zombies has 'TAG' sprayed across their chest.' The act of tagging another player would earn a nominal amount of XP for the survivor, say 1XP, and activate the Scent Trail ability of the zombie player in the same manner a DNA scan does. The tag itself would last until the zombie's next death (or incapacitation, whatever you prefer to call it when they hit 0HP), at which point the graffiti is too covered in blood and gore to be legible. Alternately it could be blacked out in the same manner as other graffiti (a space character). For purposes of items that target another (guns, melee weapons, syringes, etc) other survivor/zombie players would be able to select that target by tag (though not necessarily be able to view their profile) for as long as the tag lasts. Why: It's fun, has the potential to be darkly comic, and begs retaliation (who wouldn't want to go get revenge after being tagged, anyway?). The tagging skill in and of itself seems somewhat lacking, amounting to the ability to efficiently spray letters onto a wall. The ability to run up to a shambling (albiet slow moving) zombie and tag their chest/back in a legible manner strikes me as something better fitting the idea of a practiced graffiti artist. Small amount of XP gained shouldn't unbalance much, but gives an incentive for survivors to use the skill. If there is a balance issue I'm not seeing, the XP could be jettisoned and this could be a purely 'cosmetic' alteration. Provides an alternate means of singling out targets for combat, revives, whatever in a manner that's more in-theme than adding them to your contacts list. Why Not...: Survivors spraying other survivors: I'm assuming Romero-style zombies, so they'd be easier to tag than an alert, upright, moving human. While we all know what fun a sharpie can be on a sleeper, the game doesn't seem to differentiate 'awake' or 'asleep' to other players. Lastly, a tag that lasts until the next death is much less of a hindrance to a zombie that wants to be cleared of his body graffiti.

Discussion (Corpse Tagging)

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-- Linkthewindow  Talk  20:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

yawn, this is a zombie apocalypse not...something else.--xoxo 03:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

This is actually a dupe, though I don't have time to find it. Besides, who wants "I'm a dick!" spraypainted on them (and I'm being soft there). Also, survivors already have plenty of ways to get XP.--Pesatyel 08:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Survivors can already use spraycans as a form of harassment and this is just a way of making it more personal. --Papa Moloch 08:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

A griefing tool. --WanYao 11:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Spurn skill

Timestamp:	Explodey 11:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Type:	Skill mechanics
Scope:	everyone
Description:	For dedicated survivors who avoid zombie skills (and dedicated zombies who avoid survivor skills) as a mark of loyalty. In the "Buy Skills" page, in addition to the "Buy this skill" button, there would additionally be a "Spurn this skill" button. Spurning a skill: Costs the same as buying that skill Increases your character's level, just as buying the skill would. This will be reflected in the game stats, e.g. you group's rating will increase. Does not grant your character the abilities associated with the skill Means your character can never acquire the corresponding skill Would be applicable to all skills except Brain Rot Would follow the normal rules for subskills/prerequisites, e.g. you must spurn Advanced Pistol Training before Pistol Training, Advanced Shotgun Training before Shotgun Training, and all 4 before spurning Basic Firearms Training. Optional features (I'm not 100% sure about these) Can be used on skills you already have (permanently forfeiting the ability without changing your level.) (This is why I exclude Brain Rot.) Examples of use Simply advertising that you are a dedicated survivor (e.g. spurning Ransack, Feeding Drag etc but still buying Lurching Gait and Ankle Grab) Making the game more of a challenge (playing a survivor who can never acquire any zombie skills, including Lurching Gait and Ankle Grab) Declaring loyalty to a group that disapproves of certain skills, e.g. firearms skills for groups like Axes High Advertising a personal opinion that a particular skill is harmful, e.g. none of my Mrh Cow characters have Knife Proficiency even though they can all afford it - it's mostly useful for PKing/GKing not for helping the survivor cause.

Discussion (Spurn skill)

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-- Linkthewindow  Talk  02:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I kind of like it, but this really isn't useful, you can achieve pretty much the same effect with just not buying it (except for levels, but you will have more XP so it balances out) and worst of all, it locks people into the zombie/survivor fundamentalist mindsets. Embrace the truth! Dual nature is the only true way! --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 12:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

As Mid. I'm not against it, it just seems a tad... pointless. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you would have to have a fundamentalist mindset already to use this. There are already dual nature characters, fundamentalist dedicated survivors etc. This suggestion is not about encouraging a particular style of play, its more about advertising your chosen style to other players, for those who are already sure they are never going to buy the skills. I also think levels matter, including their effect on the game stats. --Explodey 12:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

1. People who don't have their skills spurned would be targeted as "spies." A lot of people play dual nature, and this would hurt them in the long run, as well as people who play rotted survivors (yes they exist.)
2. Levels don't matter. A level 26 survivor (all survivor skills+scent death+ankle grab,) is equivalent in usefulness to the survivor cause as a level 41 survivor. The game stats? Yeah, you might have a point there, I'll give you that, but gameplay wise, after level 26 (for humans) and level 22 (for zombies,) levels don't matter.
3. This won't change a thing to do with "fundamentalism"- a level 41 "pro survivor" will still be a pro-survivor, not mattering his skills do anything or not. It will just lead to people without this (namely death cultists and pkers, as well as dual naturists) being OMG SPAIS!!!! in many people's eyes.

Linkthewindow  Talk  13:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Re #1: Those who play rotted survivors for the challenge might actually benefit from this, as they could plausibly claim they were dedicated survivors by showing that they had spurned Ransack (and possibly some other zombie skills.) As it stands it's difficult to convince people of this if you have Brain Rot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Explodey (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

That's a good point. But I still don't like how this overemphasizes the idea that people with a mix of zombie and human skills are inherently "anti-survivor"/"anti-zombie." It will just lead to more accusations of people being "spais" by mindless trenchies. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

There are reasons why people would spurn skills without being complete fundamentalists: peer pressure, requirements to join a group, protecting themselves from getting killed as zombie spies. People change and some might want to try other things later, but this locks them in and they can't (not without creating a new character). The problem is the irreversibility, but this wouldn't be very interesting if this was reversible :P. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 15:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

You can still play as "survivor only" or "zombie only" with acquring skills. It seems kind of stupid to NOT acquire SOME skills to "get back on track", so to speak. This applies more towards survivors trying to get back to surviving, but it would make sense to acquire Lurching Gait, Flailing Gesture, Memories of Life, Death Rattle and, maybe Ankle Grab. As for zombies, well you have, of course, the Necronet Access and Free Running. This, again, seems geared more towards survivors since zombies have BRAIN ROT to indicate their status, as well as minimize their ability to acquire (or not) survivor skills.--Pesatyel 01:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC) Oops, didn't read the whole thing. It still seems primarily Survivor focused, because of Brain Rot. And this sounds like stuff we have seen before in the essence, your asking to spend XP to buy levels. When your a zombie, your survivor skills don't show and vis versa.--Pesatyel 01:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Uhh... yes, they do show. All your skills are always visible on the profile page. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 12:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

My bad, I just noticed.--Pesatyel 01:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• • yawn** --WanYao 04:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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Cars

Timestamp:	Allan Smiles 11:50, 31 January 2009
Type:	Cover
Scope:	Survivors
Description:	Wait! Before you put down that this suggestion is under the frequently suggested ideas, read this. I don't think this is a dupe, but tell me if it is, please.(I am NOT suggesting that you should be able to drive cars!) I think that in a city, it is silly to think that there wouldn't be any cars parked in streets or carparks. So, my proposition is that cars should be implemented into the game. Their purpose could be a short-term use for cover. Say that you are lost and running low on action points. You could collapse at any moment with fatigue. A car is perfect for that little boost of APs. If there is a car on the street where you are or the carpark, you can attempt to enter it. Once inside, you are free to rest a few hours. My idea is that the punishment cars can take are sort of like barricades for buildings. There are a few different types of cars I thought up. A Pick-up Truck-Pretty good damage, probably about the equivalent to a very strongly barricaded. A Sport Utility Vehicle-Can take the best punishment of all the cars, probably the equivalent to very heavily barricaded. A convertable-Pretty weak, the equivalent to lightly barricaded. (The weaker the car, the more common it is to find on the street.) If the doors to the car aren't locked, then zombies with the memory of life skill can open the car doors. If, by chance, zombie(s) get into the car, either by bashing it until it is open or merely opening the unlocked doors, they must drag the person out of the car to attack them. When you are looking at a car, when you are ingame and a car is on the same street as you, it'll look somewhat like this: "You are on (whatever street you are on) you notice a Sport Utility Vehicle/Convertable/Pick-up Truck. If you are a survivor. It costs 1 AP to approach the car, 1 AP to try the handle, 1 AP to enter and 1 AP to lock the doors. If a survivor is inside the car and it is locked, you will get a message after trying the doors saying that the doors are locked. Alternatively, if a survivor is inside the car and it isn't locked, you can use 1 AP to pull the survivor out of the car. If you are a zombie. It is pretty much the same, except if the door is locked, you have to bash it until the car is no longer able to keep the survivor safe, then it costs 3 AP to pull them out. You can notice if you approach the car and it is damaged enough to not be able to protect survivors. If it is, possibly a person with construction can repair the car to full hitpoints for 10 AP. I apologize for the length. This seems pretty obvious, so if it is a dupe, I again apologize for waisting your time.

Discussion (Cars)

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-- Linkthewindow  Talk  02:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

It is a dupe, sorry. But I CBAed to find it. --WanYao 20:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Hell I had the idea a few months ago.--Pesatyel 05:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Have seen a few variations of this so it is a dupe... It also ignores the fact that while the structure of cars vary in toughness they all have windscreens which would never count as heavy barricades. --Honestmistake 09:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Suggestions up for voting

• Suggestion:20090208 Nightvision (zombie skill) has been up for voting for a while. Discussion moved to here --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 08:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
• Suggestion:20090205 Gas Siphoner is up for voting. Discussion moved to here --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 12:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
• Suggestion:20090202 Show How Long People Have Been In Their Group is up for voting. Discussion moved to here Linkthewindow  Talk  00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Suggestion:20090201 Scent Enemy is up for voting. Discussion moved to here Linkthewindow  Talk  00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Suggestion:20090201 Radio transmitters in more places is up for voting. Discussion moved to here Linkthewindow  Talk  00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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