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| ===[[Save the yeti]]===
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| Something should probably be done about this, probably merging with [[Save the Yeti]] {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 02:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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| :Redirect to [[Zerging]] ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)</sub>
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| ::That's appropriate. Case closed. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 04:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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| :::On a more serious note, if two pages exist then a disambiguation page is probably in order. Name one Save the Yeti (group) and the other Save the Yeti (Parody) or something appropriate. I don't really like the group page as is. I really would mind seeing it redirected to [[Zerging]] but anything that doesn't glorify the "group" would be better than it is now. As is, the list of profiles is the only thing I find appropriate. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)</sub>
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| ::::I really didn't think there was anything in the group page that "glorifies" them.. I thought it was a pretty cut and dry presentation of "This is a zerg group and should be viewed with disdain. --[[User:NOCKTRNL|NOCKTRNL]] 18:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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| ===FOD Stuff=== | | ===[[Knights Templar/LastKnight Standing]]=== |
| Been meaning to do this for a while. FOD's official group page is now [[The Flowers of Decay]]. I need old pages moved over to the new namespace.
| | Could someone please put a space between Last and Knight in the page title? Thanks. |
| | | [[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] ([[User talk:Roddy Winters|talk]]) 20:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC) |
| *[[Flowers of Decay]]
| | :Moved. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC) |
| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/GroupBox]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/GroupBox]]
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| *[[Talk:Flowers of Decay]]
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| :>[[Talk:The Flowers of Decay]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/history]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/History]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/campaigns]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Campaigns]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/diplomacy]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Diplomacy]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/achievements]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Achievements]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/kills]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Kills1501-2000]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/kills1001-1500]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Kills1001-1500]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/kills501-1000]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Kills501-1000]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/kills1-500]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Kills1-500]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/DAFFODILS]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/DAFFODILS]]
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| *[[Flowers of Decay/recruit]]
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| :>[[The Flowers of Decay/Archive/Recruit]]
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| I can fix links and redirects after the move. Thanks in advance. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>04:02, 5 February 2014 (UTC)</sub>
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| :Done. Let me know if you see any issues. I didn't fix any links or any of the existing re-directs, so those are all up to you to fix. Once you fix everything, I or one of the other sysops should go back through and delete the redirects that the moves created, so let me know once that's done. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:20, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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| ::Ok fixed all the links and redirects. I'd like to keep [[Flowers of Decay]] as a redirect but all others can now be deleted. All of the talk pages for the new archived pages should be correctly redirected. There are a couple of double-redirects now but should be cleared up by deleteing the original sub-page talk pages. A few links still exist on [[User:Raddox]]'s and [[User:RobOppenheimer]]'s pages but I figured they can fix if they ever come back to the wiki. There's a couple of sandbox pages I want deleted and I'll putnthem up on A/SD. Thanks for doing this Aichon. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)</sub>
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| :::I have deleted all obsolete redirects but the ones to the main page and the main talk page. I have also fixed Raddox' and RO's old links, as such minor link repairs are as good faith as it gets when it comes down to userspace edits. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::Thanks. You missed some talk pages. [[Talk:Flowers of Decay/history]], [[Talk:Flowers of Decay/campaigns]], [[Talk:Flowers of Decay/diplomacy]], [[Talk:Flowers of Decay/kills]], [[Talk:Flowers of Decay/achievements]]. Also, the links you fixed on Raddox and RO's pages are not quite correct. Sorry, none of that is a big deal to me just pointing it out before it's cycled complete. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>18:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)</sub>
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| :::::Deleted the named talk pages. As for the userpages, I can't be bothered to go through them again and re-check the links. Feel free to fix them yourself. If anyone drags you to VB, you can say I told you to. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 22:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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| ===[[Saucer of Milk]]===
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| *[[Kamikaze Roadkill]]
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| *[[User:Vanankyte|Vanankyte]] 21:46, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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| *:Done. I have left the redirect for now, as your members change their tags and references. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:49, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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| ===Cobra stuff===
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| *[[Cobra]]
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| :⇒[[Cobra (disambiguation)]]
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| *[[Cobra (group)]]
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| *[[Cobra (group)/Diplomacy]]
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| *[[Cobra (group)/Extensive Enterprises]]
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| *[[Cobra (group)/Guide]]
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| :⇒[[Cobra/Guide]]
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| *[[Cobra (group)/Joining]]
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| *[[Cobra (group)/Recruitment]]
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| [http://forums.pkalliance.net/index.php?showtopic=1148&view=findpost&p=22007909 As was noted on the PKA on 2nd December 2012], '''all''' members of [[The Original Cobra]] have been MIA on the contact list, with multiple key mambers having been inactive for an even longer time. None of them has become active again since.
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| Ever since, both in-game and on the wiki [[Cobra]] and [[Cobra (group)]] have been used synonymously in common speech. As was most recently seen [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/NWO vs Cobra, Aichon and RadicalWhig|in the latest arbitration case]], the distinction doesn't serve any purpose anymore and solely causes unnecessary confusion.
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| In the interest of the wiki being an as truthful and accurate information resource for Urban Dead as possible, I hereby request that the above move requests get carried out. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:52, 12 October 2013 (BST)
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| :I feel like the current article [[Cobra]] should be split, with the top portion moved to [[Cobra (disambiguation)]] and the lower (content) portion moved to another page. Disambig pages shouldn't have such content on them. Not sure what title would be best - Cobra (Original) seems like it'll have some confusion, maybe Cobra (former group)? {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 16:42, 12 October 2013 (BST)
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| ::Maybe simply Cobra (historical)? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 17:30, 12 October 2013 (BST)
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| :You've got balls, I'll give ya that. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:27, 12 October 2013 (BST)
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| It's terrible form to not inform the lesser cobra on their talk page. Do that, give it a week, and I'll consider it. Are you concerned that all the links to cobras history will now send you to a group that was created much later? --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]] 00:04, 13 October 2013 (BST)
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| :I will gladly send them a notice to get that sorted out. - As for incoming links, this won't be a problem at all, as they are pointing to the very same group. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 12:25, 13 October 2013 (BST)
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| There's [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cobra_vs_Doc_Ryleigh#Ruling|an arbitration ruling]] regarding this stuff that everyone should brush up on. It specifies that the page be "sealed" as a former group page with a disambiguation block. That former group is Bullgod's "Cobra" that is now inactive, but was a well-known group that had a decent wiki presence, plenty of content, and, most importantly, possessed the original claim to the [[Cobra]] page. As a continuation of that same group (at least, I believe that is what you would claim of yourself), you would normally be entitled to edit the [[Cobra]] page, except for the fact that the arbitration ruling bars you from using it for your own group.
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| In such a case, the only option is to create a new page and use it instead. The Dead had to do it when they were forced to create [[The Dead 2.0]] because they weren't allowed to edit [[The Dead]] after they returned, and they didn't even have to deal with the complication of a competing claim to "The Dead" as a name. The circumstances preventing you from using the page are a bit different, but the outcome is the same: you're not allowed to use it. Sorry. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:32, 13 October 2013 (BST)
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| :You are citing Karek's conclusion, but omitting the reasoning behind that conclusion:{{cquote|Karek|The problem that I keep running into though is that both groups do, in fact, exist. The reason this is an issue is that the wiki is a reflection of the reality of the game not the other way around.|[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cobra_vs_Doc_Ryleigh#Ruling|Karek]]}}
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| :The other group has ceased to exist as far as the reality of the game is concerned. Furthermore, on the wiki [[Cobra]] and [[Cobra (group)]] have now for a long time been used synonymously. With the reason for the distinction being gone, the distinction should go as well, as it serves no purpose anymore but to cause confusion (like in the recent arbitration case).
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| :As for The Dead, the reason behind it not being editable is a very different one. The Dead are a historical group page, and the decision to put the revived group under the same name would undo historical status, as historical groups must be inactive. A similar example would be [[Flowers of Decay]]/[[Flowers of Disease]], where the revived group has decided not to re-use the old name in order to not harm the historical status. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 12:25, 13 October 2013 (BST)
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| ::Let me restate things a bit, since I didn't convey my thoughts well. The inactivity of the other "Cobra" is irrelevant, since it doesn't change the fact that the page belongs to ''neither'' of you. The ruling states that it belongs to the ''former'' group, and the former group is as (in)active today as it was the day that Karek made his ruling. As such, the situation remains unchanged.
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| ::If you can track down Goribus or whoever and get them to agree to dissolve the arbitration ruling, I certainly won't object. Hell, grab Karek and get him to affirm that he ''never'' intended for it to bind you in this way, and I'll probably go along, since I'm sympathetic to your situation. But without provisions for inactivity in the ruling, we don't have much recourse. It's one thing to use a provided line of reasoning to better understand what was intended by a vague statement, but it's something else entirely to outright ''nullify'' a ruling, since 1) it's not our place to do so, 2) the arbitrator may have had unstated reasons that are still valid for making that ruling, and 3) we've never treated the reasons as binding, only the ruling itself. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:52, 15 October 2013 (BST)
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| :Is there a precedent for altering an arbitration case's outcome due to further changed circumstances? If not, then it stands (possibly unless another arbitration case is brought to change it?) {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 17:25, 14 October 2013 (BST)
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| ::There's precedent for ignoring ridiculous rulings (e.g. put an image of a duck on the [[Main Page]]), but I'm not aware of any precedent for ignoring or altering rulings that are reasonable and have remained in place for years unless there are provisions built into the ruling. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:52, 15 October 2013 (BST)
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| Declaring this a '''no action taken'''. If you would like the pages moved, the arbitration case must be voided by action of Goribus or opening of a new case. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 05:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
| | ===[[SPECTRE]]=== |
| | Please move [[SPECTRE]] to [[SPECTRE (survivor group)]]. The reason is that there is a new unrelated group also called SPECTRE that has now appeared on the stats page. [[User:Thisisbright]] leads new SPECTRE, wishes that the stats page links to the new group and has already attempted to reach out to former SPECTRE members [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFlammaster_II&type=revision&diff=2419139&oldid=1566073 here in March]. No response has been forthcoming. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">▋</span>]]</span>''' 18:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
| | :Alrighty. I'd either put a note about the other SPECTRE group on the [[SPECTRE]] page or keep it as a disambiguation. Either works. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
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