UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Honestmistake/2009-01-31 Promotion

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User:Honestmistake

terrible timing but...' My home internet connection has been down for a few weeks now and is not looking like being fixed for a few weeks more meaning that I am not going to be around when this ends! In fact as I am off work for a for a week I will probably not find out the results until the 24th. Thanks to all that made their opinion known, including Bob and Nubis for their very hurtful comments, and hopefully I will get back to find that I have been awarded ultimate power and AHLG has changed my sig to "Grim_s woz ere" --Honestmistake 15:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

He has more than enough contributions, although the history purge screws with the contributor history. He has been here more than a year now, has taken an active interest in the maintenance duties and policy discussions on this wiki and, while we don't always agree is the kind of user I think should be promoted. He has proven he is able to do the job and more than qualifies. So, assuming he accepts, I think it's about time we gave him a bid.--Karek^maps?! 01:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Very intresting to see the amount of suport (and opposition I have had here) and can only appologize that i am on a restricted interwebz diet at due to someone else breaking my home connection.

I am flattered by the nomination but don't think I have the skills needed to actually do the real work required for the job. Also, unlike Suicidal Angel, I do still sometimes edit the wiki drunk which goes a long way to explaining why I sometimes go off on tangents.That said, I would like to see this bid go through to the finish but feel it only fair to point out that if promoted I want absolutly nothing to do with any aspect of the job which involves wiki skills, though i will do my best to learn some.

Why might i make a good sysop? Well; I do not argue from malice and always with a point. I do not expect to win all (or given this is the internet, any) of those arguments and indeed often become embroiled in them only to make the otherside think. I am always willing to hold my hands up to my own mistakes and would point out that in my 3+ years here I have hardly ever gone a week without editing something and have only once been brought up on vandal charges and that was a pretty stupid and petty case. I am an inclusionist and proud of it and feel that a sysops role should be not just enforcing rules but knowing when doing so is counter productive.

I have been avoiding A/VB recently and don't look forwards to being dragged back, however, I don't think any sysop should be allowed to not get involved there so would obviously have no choice if promoted.

Finally; The Sysops job description includes the phrase "Trusted User" and you can trust me to always listen to both sides of an argument and to always strive to help any users in any way I can (even if its just pointing you at someone who knows what they are doing!) You can trust me not to try any fancy re-organization and not to try to overthrow the wiki... what you can't trust me with is any actual work!--Honestmistake 09:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I literally threw up. You've never been able to resist a good bitch in your entire time on the wiki; why the fuck should anyone believe you'd start now? OMG GUIS I'D ROOLY TROOLY CHAENG SRSLY? Bullshit. You don't even know the meaning of the term self-control. --Cyberbob 09:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You threw up? Bonus!

Seriously though I would like to thank you and Read, Such are your towering reputations for fairness and sincerity that your early support would have doomed this before i even noticed it....--Honestmistake 10:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

DO HO HO. You always were a witty little cunt. What a shame you don't put as much effort into logical thinking (srsly guise - as long as mai harts in teh rite plaec it dun matter wether im rite dus it?) as you do coming up with those shitty jokes. --Cyberbob 10:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, basically what you're saying here is that promoting you would be completely pointless as you wouldn't do a single fucking thing beyond 'keepan ur hart in teh rite plaece and bein srsly srs aboot discushun'. Lol. --Cyberbob 11:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I was going to reply... but honestly, would there even be a point? I mean, its not like you would accept the answer and go away is it!--Honestmistake 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You were going to reply, but you didn't... then you did anyway. Fail. --Cyberbob 14:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr. If that's way you type a large message then you just gave me another reason to remain against. Sorry.--Thadeous Oakley 17:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Vouch - I put him up here, it would be strange if I didn't vouch. I believe he would be a good Sysop. --Karek^maps?! 01:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Vouch - I've known him on the suggestion pages for a while. He's a good guy, doesn't get involved in too much drama and is reasonably level-headed. Not sure if he wants this, though. Linkthewindow  Talk  01:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I've been proven wrong. Although it would be nice if you could learn how to use paragraphs :P. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Against - too fucking serious too much of the time.--CyberRead240 01:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  Also, this proves what Karek knows about what the community needs.--CyberRead240 08:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  Not about my view of the community, it's about my view of the user. --Karek^maps?! 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Vouch - Look. 3 vouches. Now he has to accept. Although he might not. Did I mention Vouch? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 01:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Against - We do not need yet another rules-whoring crybaby on the sysop team. --Cyberbob 01:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Strongly Against This user has shown time and time again that he fails to comprehend basic concepts. His arguments are emotional, weak (at best), nonsensical and off topic. I seriously wonder if someone hacked Karek's account to make him do this. --– Nubis ^NWO 02:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  The "You Ass" section on Karek's Talk page is more than enough to show what I am talking about. The section where Karek says about HM:Iscariot and you both has a long history of disliking the sysops and raging against the machine for the sake of it, I deal with Iscariot off of the wiki and know he acts very differently here and I know you can be reasonable but often enough fall into the category of opposing the sysops for the sake of it that I often find myself having to take your comments on something with a grain of salt. RAGING VOUCH there Karek! --– Nubis ^NWO 02:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  He may be one to argue but he is also willing to admit when he is wrong about something if discussion is actually attempted. He only argues because he actually cares about how the rules are enforced, not like some others who do it simply to cause drama. --Karek^maps?! 04:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  Karek, he may admit to being wrong when you finally get it through his head that he doesn't understand what he is talking about. Look at his comments in the section I mentioned and his comments on the J3D A/M case are frighteningly dense. I don't want another sysop that we will have to babysit or clean up after. He also "splits hairs" on policies by commenting on the wording. He thought the phrase "No Confidence Vote" was too harsh. WTF?

  You know, Karek, it really looks like you are trying to get someone in "the new crowd" promoted so that you don't seem like part of the "elite clique" and so that you can answer Iscariot's cries of you are out of touch with the community. Why are you putting him up now? What has HM done in the last 2 months that all of the sudden made you decide Damn! this is the fresh blood we need?--– Nubis ^NWO 13:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  It's not a sudden decision. I've been considering this for a long while and it's just now that I happened to get around to it(I don't like multiple bids up at once). --Karek^maps?! 00:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  Nubis.... "thank you for your contribution" pretty much sums up my opinion on you and your "vote". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honestmistake (talk • contribs) .

  Firstly, learn to sign. Secondly, you're displaying the exact same arrogance you so often shout from your soapbox that the sysops supposedly have too much of. Enjoy your hypocrisy, dipshit. --Cyberbob 10:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

  Third, it is "Thank you for your input". Your attention to detail is awe inspiring.---– Nubis ^NWO 13:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

  Believe it or not I carefully chose that word rather than your version because I feel it fits what I wished to say so much better. That it so closely reflects your own words was deliberate; hence the quote marks. I understand and accept your concerns, I just don't see the point in arguing with you and Bob when all it does is lead to insults. If you must insist on abuse then take it to my talk page rather than Spamming this page.--Honestmistake 13:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

• Strong 'gainst - Done nothinto deserve this, other wise as Cyberbob/Nubis... WTF hae you been smoking Karke?--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 02:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Abstain - Sorry. I know Honest is contributive, but I'm not sure he's up to the task. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Abstain - Pros: Honestmistake is a solid user and with a long history of interest and contributions. Usually listens to reason and almost always avoids drama. Cons: Sometimes comes up with really weird, illogical positions on what seem to be pretty straightforward issues. Concusion: More time and more active participation in Admin stuff, then he might be an excellent candidate. --WanYao 03:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• AgainstI don't see him that often, nor do I see any great contributions.--Thadeous Oakley 09:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Vouch - Free sysops for everybody \õ/ --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talk • contribs) at 10:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  honestmistake is a good and caring contributor. he is not the kind who acts for the lulz, so he wont fuck up with his admin powers --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talk • contribs) at 10:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  Given the company you keep I'm sure you'll forgive people if they don't find your character reference all that exciting. --Cyberbob 11:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  Given the candidates i have voted for in the past ( http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/Cyberbob240_%283%29 ) I am not sure they should put trust in me either?--Honestmistake 13:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

  You're doing that arrogance thing again. BTW, I would (and did) make a damn good sysop if I gave a fuck. --Cyberbob 13:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Vouch - He mostly has a point when he disagrees with a decision, and even if I disagree, it's usually a difference of opinion -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:23 31 January 2009 (BST)

  Should anyone else bother voting then, if he accepts the nomination? --Cyberbob 11:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  Of course they should. I always take into account other people's opinions -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:13 31 January 2009 (BST)

  Hahaha. That's a good one. --Cyberbob 12:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  When does cyberbob's trolling cross the border into shitting up an Admin page? --WanYao 12:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  My comment was considerably more relevant than that attempt, my dear. If you want to go after someone for shitting up admin pages I suggest you take a look at the amount of shit I've moved off A/VB onto the talk page in recent weeks. --Cyberbob 12:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  When he stops making good points. I do hope that they at least play out the charade and leave the "what do you think about this promotion bid" comments on each other's pages. We expect the Dog and Pony at the Show. Or should that be ass? --– Nubis ^NWO 13:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• Abstain Against i'm on the fence. maybe next time around. don't we have enough users with super powers? and as above i thought HM hated the Sysops?----Sexualharrison 13:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  I do not and have never "hated" the sysops. A few users however seem to think anyone questioning their decision is obviously a sysop hater and screams that loud and often enough that it sticks.--Honestmistake 10:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

  okay that answers that. For the Record. I do hate sysops. but I fear things i don't understand.... now for my vote, will give me gold in the basket? cookies and milk? and tities and beer?----Sexualharrison 13:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

  How about tickets to Spearmint Rhino and a free bottle of cheap champagne?--Honestmistake 13:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

  WHO? and I hate fucking champagne... gimmie a good bottle of 12 year old single malt scotch on your next try. so NO.----Sexualharrison 19:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

  Spearmint Rhino is a chain of expensive Lapdancing bars and if you prefer a decent malt you should have said... Taliskers suit you?--Honestmistake 09:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

• Abstain Don't know him well enough. --Janus ^talk 13:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Vouchy vouch - He's always been decent, polite and such when I've talked to him. He seems to have a functioning brain and such, so yes, vouch.--Seventythree^Talk 15:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

  So if he wasn't polite, you'd vote against? And wtf does "decent" mean?--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 03:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

  Characterized by conformity to recognized standards of propriety or morality.--xoxo 03:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

*Abstain - I haven't seen him much outside several petty squabbles with other users. If/When he accepts his nomination, it would be useful if he would provide some examples of why he should be a sysop. Until then, I will abstain. --Pestolence^(talk) 01:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

• Against - I've got no problems with him, but I don't want someone who confesses that he is wikincompetent looking up my IP. Sorry. --Pestolence^(talk) 02:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

• Against - Because of some of his comments on Jed's last case in A/M remind me that I don't want him judging anything important in that place, or A/VB.--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 02:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
• Against - Wow, I thought this was a joke. His past actions speak VOLUMES.--SirArgo ^Talk 05:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  I probably should not ask... but which actions do you have in mind? --Honestmistake 13:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Abstain - Who? --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 07:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
• Abstain - Who? --ScouterTX 18:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
• Against - I think he needs more experience with the administration aspects of the wiki, although he seems nice and has a pretty continuous interest in this place. --ZsL 01:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
• Against - Only because I haven't seen him do anything particularly special that makes him seem responsible enough for this. Given, I haven't seen him do anything wrong but I don't believe abstaining should justify that. Liberty 03:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
• Vouch - Seems to be a nice, decent bloke. --Toejam 09:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

  Incorrectness aside, don't you think you should be deciding based on a few more criteria than just personality? --Cyberbob 11:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Abstain - I'm sure Honest is contributive and all, but I don't know him well enough. --D.E.ATalk 16:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Abstain Unless the results are tied and then its a Vouch I Don't know Honest well enough to make a distinct vouch but in a close decision I'll give him the benifit of the doubt. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  You absolutely refuse to get it, don't you, Con. This is not a vote, and there will be no "ties". What you say about him is more important than the bolded word at the begining of the sentence -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:37 5 February 2009 (BST)

  I choose to ignore your reality and substitute my own. OR It is in fact a vote, but one of a single entity, the Community. And whereas the single "vote" is determined by the shared perceived value by the community of the candidate. Although you may find my phrasing circumspect, let me assure you I meant what I said to indicate my general ambivalence in the matter, but also included a caveat that expresses my general inclusive nature of the promotions of Honestmistake as a sysop. i.e. I get it a hellova lot more than you could possibly believe sir, its not my fault you don't understand what I'm trying to say. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  Voting is like sex. Conn isn't really abstaining more like he is only going to say 2nd base and groping Honest in the Ops back seat saying "Oh yeah, baby, I'll respect you as a sysop in the morning. You just have to A/VB me tonight." I think I just made myself throw up a little in my mouth.-- #99 ^DCC 09:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

  That was just the teeniest bit o' weird.--BFFs +SA+NSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSANSAN 4 EVA!!! 14:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

  roflmao --WanYao 04:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Vouch - He's a good kid.--xoxo 05:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  Would you believe he's in his 30's? Bit rich to be calling him a kid, mental age or no. --Cyberbob 10:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• AgainstI havent heard of him before sorry it seems like he dosent have enough time on here!--Dr. Sinclair 17:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  Well I have been active in game since september 2005 and on the wiki within a week of starting the game. Since then i have logged in far more frequently than can be healthy and participate in a great deal of discussions etc and sometimes feel like i live on the suggestions pages... I have stepped away from certain areas recently as the drama levels were beginning to annoy me far too much, no doubt I will be back into the fray again soon though. --Honestmistake 17:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  That's kind of ironic, coming from someone who submitted this lovely bit o' spam, and garnered twenty-nine votes that in effect said, "Who the hell are you?" --Pestolence^(talk) 23:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

• Vouch - We need some alternate opinions on the sysop team, badly. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
• Vouch - As Karek said pretty much. --Johnny Bass 15:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
• I've been sitting on the fence with this one, but felt I had to comment. While he means well (I swear those words will be on humanity's grave), he freely admits that his wiki skills are lacking, which means he might not be fit to perform the essentially janitorial duties of a sysop. He certainly has a different view – half the time I really can't work out where the hell he's coming from or going on suggestion votes, and his suggested compromises are baffling in nature. In summary, if he's not competent with the tools we have, I am against his having the powers to look up IPs, ban people, and permanently delete files – even if it is a honest mistake. No hard feelings mate. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
• Against -Perhaps once his Wiki skills have improved, I would feel differently. --Lois Millard 16:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the two weeks are up for discussion on this bid. --Pestolence^(talk) 19:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Confiring -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 22:48 13 February 2009 (BST)

After reading through the bid again, and confiring with the Cheeseman, we both agree that you are a good candidate for the position, however the communities high abstain/against votes, and your own lack of confidence in your suitablity means that I won't be promoting you this time. I would encourage you to consider another bid in the future, after considering what you could contribute to the team, and whether you want to commit to the position. The position will severly test your patience and suitability sooner rather than later, if you ever do get in. You have to be ready to deal with that -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 23:50 13 February 2009 (BST)

"get in". I like your choice of language boxo, it says a lot about your attitude :) --xoxo 02:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)