UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Generaloberst/2012-03-14 Promotion

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Generaloberst

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Hello. I would like to apply for the position of system operator. Please take your time to read my motivations and consider voting for me.

On this wiki, I am known as Generaloberst. I'm almost 20 years old and an ethnic Dutchman. I'm a person with a very wide interest in the world. While most people are only interested in one thing, or a small range of things, practically everything in this world interests me. Art, language, politics, medicine, computers, sports, nothing escapes my curiousity. I am rational, inquisitive, evaluative and very free-thinking. Also, I'm always calm and neutral. My IQ is 130.

I graduated high school on many beta subjects (chems, psychics, economics, math, etc). The alpha subjects I have learned through selective, unremmiting self-study; yes, I actually do speak 8 languages (within 3 alphabets). Furthermore, I have knowledge of the computer languages HTML and C++, which I've worked with for a gamestudio on professional level. Right now I'm in university (I'm studying management). Though there is enough time left for me to be active ingame (I've been active since 2009) and on this wiki.

Should you vouch, you vouch for neutrality, activity and my general knowledge. This wiki needs my input as a sysop. Generaloberst 23:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against I can't say I've seen anything you've done that would make you a good sysop. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 23:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against times ten - You've done absolutely nothing for the benefit of this wiki in the long term. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  What I've done so far is deleting outdated items and update building statuses. Also, I'm the person that was behind the plan to update the dangermap reports. Generaloberst 23:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Links to these would help, all I see looking through 500 edits was you updating buildings you ruined and complaining about ghost towns. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 23:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

  Suburb danger levels, also the open discussion. Generaloberst 0:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I covered the first one in "complaining about ghost towns." And I didn't see a single edit by you on your second link or the talk page. --Bad Attitude Kirsty _{K.C. R&D d.b.a. Org XIII} 00:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  It's the open discussion for the same plan, that's what I ment. I had done my say in the relevant discussion, which is also linked to on that page. Generaloberst 00:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  I'm a bit disappointed that that's what you're citing, since the discussions are stalled, you haven't moved them forward in months, and nothing has come of them. Compare the stuff you're citing with a similar project like the revamp of the barricade plan template from a few years back. Similar issues, but it had a few people driving it forward and doing actual work to make sure it happened. It finished in just a week or two too. Take your discussion through to completion and you'll have something that might be worth citing. For now, what you're citing as an accomplishment is actually a failed project, and the fact that you didn't realize that reflects poorly on you. —Aichon— 00:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Of course I realise that's quite unfortunate. My intentions, however, were good, which is always something worth citing. I don't see it as my fault that the project wasn't realised at the end. Generaloberst 09:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Good intentions are good, but they don't mean much without action. And while I don't fault you for the project failing to come to fruition, I do believe that its lack of conclusion makes it a poor choice to reference for an indication of your wiki activity. —Aichon— 14:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against --Papa Moloch 00:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Strong Against - To be honest, I think you're a nice enough guy and I like you on a personal level, so I don't want this to feel like a personal attack, because that is not my intent. Even so, you're simply not sysop material, and I'd like to detail my thoughts for why.
  Your intro text alone demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of what the wiki needs in a sysop. That you're going into detail over topics such as your ethnicity, IQ, and fields of interest rather than discussing your stances on wiki matters in that much detail should be red flags for anyone (over 2/3 of your intro was about your background, rather than the wiki). In fact, I'm having trouble finding much of anything relevant or beneficial for you in your intro. Many of us have higher IQs (myself included), many of us speak multiple languages, many of us know HTML and C++ (in fact, by the time I was 18, I had already dabbled in over three dozen computer languages and worked in the space industry), many of us have completed wiki projects under our belts (the only one you cited has so far been a failure), and your claim to support neutrality is vague at best.
  Long story short, I have yet to see you cite a single valid reason for why you'd be a good sysop, and the fact that you apparently thought the things you were citing were valid reasons has given me cause to doubt your judgment in wiki matters. —Aichon— 00:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks for the input Aichon. I completely believe that you (and other people) have the abilities as well. I noticed a long time ago there you're one of the smarter sysops here. Though I'm strongly convinced that general knowledge actually counts, in fact, I think it counts in everything a person does. So that is, in my opinion, not a valid a reason to turn me down I think. As for the wiki project, I already said that I realise it's quite unfortunate that the project was never realised. My intentions, however, were good, which is always something worth citing. I don't see it as my fault that the project wasn't realised at the end. Oh, and don't worry, being ethnic Dutch wasn't ment as a motivation... neither was being almost 20 years old. ;) Generaloberst 09:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• If I'm honest, I think that you'd just use the position to rule on vandalism cases against people you don't like. In my opinion, putting aside whether or not that's bad (it's bad) it also demonstrates a misunderstanding of the sysop role. Being a sysop means working as part of a team and co-operating with people to reach an acceptable compromise, while at the same time putting in a lot of time for consistent janitorial work. At the moment, I don't think you've demonstrated the necessary teamwork skills, nor have you shown consistency. You tend to have small bursts of activity followed by periods of inactivity. I also don't ever think that having a wiki-user who's so focused on their group as a sysop can be a good thing. Looking at the history of the wiki there have been a few notable examples, but I won't go in to names.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  While neutrality is something you would have to believe on my word, I can ensure you that I would definitely be impartial at all times. I have provided a link to Yonnua's farewell message in the first post, and couldn't have voiced it better than that. What bothered me, is that certain cases here (such as editing another users talk page) got ruled as vandalism in the past when I did it. I know that isn't not allowed, but then I deliberately did so, to test the sysops neutrality. I think at the time they voted it as vandalism in my case cause of my political preferences. When someone else then did it, it was fine. If you're interested, have a look at the VB archives November 2011 and December 2011. That is something I would oppose, like Yonnua wanted it to be. Also, I think I'm one of the most active people around here. Many times more so than most of the other sysops. Generaloberst 09:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Vouch - Clearly qualified... --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 01:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  AS for sysop! —Aichon— 01:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  As per an agreement with Gage, I promised to never nominate myself so that he would have a place to roam free and not be in my shadow.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 01:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  Gage. There's a name I never thought I'd hear again. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against - Besides not meeting some of the criteria such as not having done any maintenance tasks, nor being exemplary in other criteria, this User has a poor understanding of policy, especially in the realm of checkuser policy. He vandalizes pages and reports himself to try to prove points that don't need to be made. He harasses other users, going as far as vandalizing images used on their page. He's also trying to take credit for a project which started well before he arrived on the wiki. Worst candidate for sysop since...damn I think this is the worst. I was gonna say WOOT but at least WOOT was just in it for the lulz. ~ _{06:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)}

  Yet another deceptive Vapor-post was just placed on this wiki. Vapor, you know that I made self reports and deliberate vandalism to test the sysops neutrality and exploit loops in the wiki-rules. While you are fully aware of this, you still bring this up as a reason not to vote for me and call it 'points that don't need to be made'. Right. You know that I'm not trying to take credit for a project which started before I arrived here; you know that I'm the person that brought that discussion back to life. Even though the project was never realised, I think my good intentions deserve to be cited. You knew, at the time, that Fascist Italian was ok with me deleting Harrison's comment off his talkpage. Yet you chose to warn me. When Spiderzed did the same thing, you didn't warn him. You knew that was what was going on. And most of all, you knew that Fascist Italian was going to infiltrate in our group. Yet you chose to let it happen. Now you're here, deliberately saying things of which you know they aren't true, so I can set everything straight again. You should feel disgusted with yourself for constantly doing that. But I know you don't. Probably you're just laughing at it from behind your monitor... or as you said it yourself 'for the lulz'. You would make a good condidate for Mossad; they do stuff like that all the time as well. Generaloberst 10:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against: A nazi sysop? Fuck no. Plus everything that Vapor said up thar ^^^. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 08:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  While most of the sysops at VB simply made up some stupid reason in order not to give me what I want because of my political preferences, this guy says it openly. I have to give you credit for not hiding your true opinion. I don't either. I, for one, am neutral at all time. My political ideas don't play any role in that. Generaloberst 10:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Against - "Intelligent neonazi" is a contradiction, hope this helps.-- Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  a lot of "neonazis" are actually more intelligent than you. Van PVDA-stemmers moet je het hebben natuurlijk. Ik ben overigens geen "neonazi skinhead". Ik ben een oude nazi. Zoals die ze in Duitsland hadden in WW2. ;) Generaloberst 11:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• Question how is this different from Woot? --Ross^lessness 17:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against Neutral? Really? Beyond that point, I've seen little except drama from you. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 20:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• TROLOLOLOLOLgeneraloberst -- Spiderzed█ 21:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Against - An embarrassment to my native race. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 22:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Question - As a sysop, how would you deal with one user using the wiki to text rape another user? ~ _{04:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)}

  I personally wouldn't take issue with it and just delete the comment when posted on my talk page. If other users do, then it's probably best to make the stuff punishable at vandal banning and maybe build in an ignore button. Generaloberst 06:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  And no, I've never personally text-raped anyone ingame, before we go that road again. Generaloberst 06:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  And not on the wiki either. Sigh. Generaloberst 06:16, March 2012 (UTC)

  That may be the most inadequate reaponse to a genuine question that I've ever seen. Let's face it, Obererst, you don't really want to be a sysop. You've just got some kind of agenda or you're out to prove some point again or you just want checkuser rights. Why don't you just withdraw your bid. You clearly don't have any support here and its just painful to watch you trying to be serious about this. This is only going to end one way and I think you know that. ~ _{07:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)}

  You're right. It was inadequate i responded to your question in the first place. It was dumb of me to assume you weren't just going to bot it out right from the start without elaborating yourself or giving any form of alternative, and then turn the 'question' into a personal attack again. Now shut up because you have the lowest IQ of all the sysops. Mr.I-made-a-pinata-alone-18-times-just-check-the-screenshots Generaloberst 09:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Got an issue? Grab a tissue. I could have pointed out in how many ways your answer was flawed (as Aichon did below) but why bother. Better just to cut to the jib here. You are not sysop material and you haven't been able to prove to anyone here anything to the contrary. Amidst all your rhetoric, all I see is that you are out trying to prove some point. Really, that's all this seems to boil down to. You disagree with the way things are run around here and you're out to "change our ways". Not any desire to help the wiki or the wiki community. No mention of which janitorial tasks you'd be interested in doing. This is a plain old fashion spite-bid. Never in the history of this wiki has a user been promoted under those circumstances. ~ _{04:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)}

  Your answer actually tells us quite a bit. For one, it tells us that you don't understand the sysop's role, since no part of your answer addresses what a sysop is expected to do on a case. Your suggestion that it be made punishable at VB tells us that you don't believe it already is considered vandalism. Your suggestion for an ignore button tells us that you don't know what the limits of a sysop's power are. Your response to Vapor tells us that you don't deal well with criticism you feel is unwarranted. Some light reading might help out with a few of these issues. —Aichon— 15:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  You're right about the first 2 things appearantly. Though I don't take back what I said to Vapor. What Vapor stated is a personal attack, not criticism. And there is no form of elaboration or alternative in his statement either. Generaloberst 20:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Personal attack or not, your response was still not ideal, and your responses here are one of the key things you're judged on during a candidacy. Sysops are constantly under personal attack, yet they need to keep a cool head and remain objective. Your response to his mild (albeit cutting) attacks was somewhat explosive. —Aichon— 23:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  how in the hell is text-rape even an issue? i've asked people about text-rape, and none of them knew what text-rape meant. this is a bullshit policy UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Text_Rape. when will more important offensives have a written policy like this? →Son of Sin← 21:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  write a policy against transgenders. if you're a male, you will be banned for pretending to be a female on this wiki. you may only pretend to be a transgender person in-game. →Son of Sin← 21:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  here's a nice link to "back up" the policy against transgenders: Russia: New laws against Transgenders, Bisexuals and Gays —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Son of Sin (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

  here's a good read, where rape is not always punishable (so why is text-rape punishable at all?): Moroccan Rape Victim Commits Suicide After Marrying Her Attacker —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Son of Sin (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

  That's a whole lot of ignorant in just a few sentences. However, this isn't the place for your crusade for text-rape. --Kirsty _{Org XIII} ^Alts 22:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Ober brought up text rape by relying on Yon's rant against the current sysops, which was brought up by this case -- boxy 21:50, 16 March 2012 (BST)

  BTW, that policy you linked to is not official policy, it was never voted on. The sysop team uses it's discretion when judging such thing, which is a good reason not to include morally challenged individuals in the process -- boxy 21:54, 16 March 2012 (BST)

  Nobody said text-rape was an issue. It's pretty common for candidates to be asked how they would handle different situations, and recent topics tend to be popular picks. As boxy said, that policy didn't pass anyway. —Aichon— 23:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Against - I think Aichon absolutely nailed the shit out of it, and those were my thoughts as well. But I'm surprised no one has yet brought up Oberst's relationship with Cornholioo yet. Oberst's ties with a known serial vandal and sockpuppeteer makes his motivations and impartiality as a sysop very suspect. His butthurt tirade about Fascist Italian does not help, either. How do we know you won't abuse your power to get back at Italian and others you think have slighted you and Corn, Oberst? You wanted to use sysop checkuser powers on F.I. against policy, IIRC. And saying "Yon thinks the current bunch is bad" to show you're impartial doesn't count, considering you haven't proven yourself to be above their level either.--RadicalWhig 19:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• AHHAH HAH HA HA heee HAHAHAH against not gonna touch him he is pure evil. or at least he pertends to role play a nazi which might just be even more retarded than being one in RL--User:Sexualharrison01:53, 17 March 2012

  Defenitely qualified sysops around here Generaloberst 11:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  but I'm not one not running scumbag. so just like hitler and the rest of the nazi's you failed to achieve your goals yet again. thank you and fuck off.--User:Sexualharrison12:35, 17 March 2012

  And just like a Jew you twist my words. Oh wait, you are a Jew! Now that's even worse. Generaloberst 16:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

  And with that, Oberst's bid crashes in flames like the Hindenburg. ~ _{20:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)}

  funny how you and corn are the same age.--User:Sexualharrison21:11, 17 March 2012

  Twelve?--RadicalWhig 19:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

• Lol at him calling it a vote in the first sentence D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  lol at you confusing the third sentence with the first.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 08:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  : ( D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 09:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

  i've also noticed you left out your military service record? or was that a lie also? and the "VOTE" continues.

"I did 3 martial arts + work out. I also keep teaching myself new things. I'm 6 foot and 18 years old... A lot of the kids here are e-hard. They are e-hard, I'm hard."

--User:Sexualharrison11:20, 18 March 2012

• AGAINST As everyone else against, especially Aichon.--Akbar 19:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  I always <3 you best, Akbar (well, after mo, of course...Amber too, I guess :P). —Aichon— 20:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• Questions: For the sake of indulging my curiosity, and because you put it in your bid so it's open to question:

1. When was this IQ measurement obtained, and by what methodology? What do you feel is the relevance of an IQ score?
2. As you're still within the educational system, I can understand you listing your subjects studies. What do you mean by "beta" and "alpha" subjects? Is this an educational institution's designation, or your own?
3. What are the languages you speak (and I'm assuming read/write, considering you mentioned alphabets)?
4. What game studio did you work for, and what project, if you are allowed to say so?

Thank you for (hopefully) indulging me. (Not sure if it's come up before, but like Thad and DDR, I, also, am ethnically Dutch, although my birth country is Australia.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

• Something on all his amazing accomplishments: Going after Oberts claims of his high intelligence, I assume he did the higher level of secondary eduaction in the Netherlands, which lasts 6 years. This means he was done with his secondary education at the minimum age of 18. He's apperantly 19 years old. So according to his own claims, within that single year he's already been with the Dutch Marines, while at the same time studying "management" (how vague) at an University and still finding time for his self-study and other activities. While probably everyone already took his resume with a huge grain of salt, I can safely confirm that he's just outright lying at this point. The one question remains is whether he's just a liar, or a delusional liar who actually believes his one words. IMO, this whole bid reeks of desperation. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Ah, then as another native-born Dutchman, you might be able to help me: are there mandatory IQ tests during education? I remember there used to be mandatory military service which caught several of my Australian-born Dutch-citizen uncles/their friends unexpected trouble while holidaying there: is that still the case? As someone who is thinking about confirming his Dutch citizenship and picking up a visa before his age makes it more difficult, I find this personally interesting as well hopefully as relevant to the issue at large. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
• AGAINST - You tell us how old you are, where you live, a little bit about your interests and something about knowing some computer languages. You tell us nothing about what you've contributed to the wiki and how you plan to contribute if you're a sysop. You sound like you're rehearsing for a job interview; you sound like you might just want to be sysop so you can put it on your C.V. --WanYao 12:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
• +1 for because Aichon betrayed our everlasting love.--||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 07:37, 2 April 2012 (BST)

  I still <3 you, SA. :( —Aichon— 18:01, 2 April 2012 (BST)

After discussion with boxy the decision has been made to reject the bid. Thanks. --Ross^lessness 13:05, 5 April 2012 (BST)